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I seriously love how fast you talk my ADHD brain has finally been satisfied lol
I'm so with ya there, I don't have to speed her up to pay attention lol
The only person I can watch on normal speed
I don't even call this fast, this is normal to me LOL
and try micarah tewers haha the only downside is she posts only once a month but its awesome what she does
Same, I finally dont have to speed up the video!
3:40 I once had a psychologist tell me I should say I'm "A person with bisexual" and instead of saying that I'm tall, I'm suppose to say I'm "A person with a height advantage"
"a person with bisexual" I-, that sounds so wack in so many ways. Helps put it into perspective.
Lmaooo
What?! Lol omg that psychologist should not be working, that is so bizarre
That’s like saying to short people ‘A person who is vertically challenged’
that doesn't make any senses what ?
So upset a SBSK clip was included in his video without our permission 😠.
Please try and reach out to him about it! Maybe someone can get through...
I love you guys chanale you are probably one of my favorite people on youtube
I was gutted when I saw you guys in there! I knew without a doubt you wouldn’t have had any say in your involvement 💛
You guys are soo good! I love your content!
I’m so sorry! I love your content and you deserve credit and to get to consent to your content being used.
As a gay autistic man, likening Autism speaks to conversion therapy puts it into perspective for me. I didn't fully understand how bad they were.
Sooo, the person who created ABA, the therapy that's most commonly pushed on autistic children, was LITERALLY created by the same man who invented conversion therapy.
@@RingTheBella yup! I hate that this isn’t common knowledge!! 🙃
Yep he also said autistic people aren’t really people. And electroshock therapy is still used in ABA clinics to this day which have resulted in multiple deaths per year of autistic children
@@Ava-km7tl Upvoted because people NEED to know that.
They now claim ABA is better and is not like conversion therapy. Probably cause they no longer use overt or physical punishment. But if you look at what CAMH Toronto has done to gender diverse children, that's the exact same shit and still conversion therapy. Though they say: we prefer to call it helping children accept their biological gender.
JackSepticeye, Collen Ballinger, Rhett and Link, and Karl Jacobs have all been educated and dropped out.
Do you know if mr beast has dropped out?
@@coolwhhip1995 No, as far as I am aware he is still posting praising it and has commented on the video by Mark Rober about how excited he is.
@@coolwhhip1995 at least karl dropped out
I’m so upset that Mark Hamill participated, I’m a Star Wars fan and he was always an actor I really looked up to 😞
@@turtletrekkie5638 If it helps he probably never even really knew about the full details behind it or the online attention. Most of the decisions and information given to him were probably through a manager
I have to disagree with you on the superpowers thing. As a person with ADHD and ASD, I find it pressuring and sometimes a backhanded comment for people to call my special interests and abilities superpowers. I appreciate it as a way of encouraging kids with disabilities to be themselves, but sometimes it feels borderline like calling us inhuman, and a huge misunderstanding at some points. For example, I have ADHD and it makes me hyper and hard to focus, when people call my hyperfocusing a superpower it really makes me uncomfortable cause,
a. Hyperfocusing is something that can be done without ADHD it requires alot of paitience
b. I usually hyperfocus when my body tires itself out or gets bored and needs something to entertain itself
I think it's good to highlight the good parts of Autism and ADHD, but if we also focus on just that, it just plays into respectability politics and glamorizes disabilities without acknowledging the real world struggles it has economically, socially, and well physically and mentally.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the whole "next hierachy of human beings," is a joke and a way to uplift the community, I just hope people don't take the wrong route and completely miss the point.
Anyway great analysis and video!!
I agree with your idea that the greatest minds were autistic, because disabled people are just as capable of contributing to society as abled people, but I also feel that plays into respectability politics because what about the autistic people who aren't smart? I feel like that point would have had a greater impact if you went into how many autistic people lack in this field, sometimes socially, economically, mentally, etc. I think we have to move away from what we can bring to the table and focus that success is more then just money or "being there and being an inspiration for others" or even academically. We're people, I believe we need to be seen as the ability to do multiple things and struggle with things and still live our lives not cause of our disabilities but because we are people, like everyone else.
Yeah. That was actually one of the only things that threw me off when watching Mark's video for the first time.
Yes thank you!!!! Couldn't have thought how to express how I felt about that but you did it. It's a very fine line in my eyes between special needs and super powers, both came from the same idea originally!
As a former “gifted kid” I find it annoying cause it implies we don’t need help or support. I was told my whole life I’m too smart to have issues or how I don’t need help, I can do it cause I’m so smart.
All of these conditions are just made up BS so everyone can feel special. Not being able to focus is not a condition. You are just a person.
Its really hard to offend me. But trying to "trying to cure Autism" is something that pisses me off so hard. Especially when I finally started thinking more positive about myself and realizing having Autism isn't a bad thing.
Same here or when people try to “cure my asexually. “
Sure, autism isn’t a bad thing for people with minor cases who are capable of functioning independently. But what about men with Rett syndrome, who are constantly on the brink of death? What about people with low-functioning autism or Down syndrome? Those aren’t people who are simply different, but crippled. For them, it would be more like restoring to blind people their sight. For them, a cure may indeed be beneficial as long as it isn’t imposed upon them without consent.
@@primevaltimes I'm talking about Autism not any of those other things. Also when I say "not a bad thing" When I'm talking about it being a "bad thing" I mean it more like something that makes me bad, something that needs to be cured. It wasn't until seeing these kinds of videos did I realize its not true. I mean Autism is technically a disability. It does slow you down. But to try and cure it low or in many different neurodivergent people it would make you a different person. Its in the name "neurological". By trying to "cure" it, you would change their brain and while you would have the same body, you wouldn't be you. Our brains is what makes us, who we are. Change our brain and we wouldn't be the same. Sure, it would make things a lot better. But, you wouldn't be the same person. Also, while I am considered "higher functioning" I am still much slower when it comes to learning. I still have to deal with sensory overload which is ironic because by writing this may but some people into that state so not everyone has to read this. On top of that, I still have to deal with sensory issues, noise, bright light and especially temperature. I could go on, but you get the point. Point is, Autism and all other neurodivergent people would technically be better off without it. But, they wouldn't be the same. So, I guess I was wrong in claiming this isn't a problem. But, its not something that makes us a worse person.
He never ever said he was trying to cure autism. He is just trying to help autistic adults be self sufficient. He also specifically says that autistic people make the world better. Not “cured” autistic, just themselves just as they are.
@@thelindymckay Look into Next for autism and their ally Autism Speaks. Then hear (and listen to) what autistic people have to say about these organizations and the trauma they developed as a result of ABA therapy
George Carlin would be rolling in his grave over “people with autism” lol. Even in the early 2000s he was talking about how people are afraid of the word disabled like it was dirty or bad. Man was way ahead of his time
I always hate the idea that people who know what’s up were “ahead of their time”. He would still be “ahead of his time” today if he was still alive. When can “the time” be NOW?
My sister (autistic) is in the middle of her PhD in engineering.
My dad (autistic) worked as an engineer on the channel tunnel.
My sister's partner (autistic) runs a peer support charity for autists by autists.
We are just as likely to contribute to advancing society as neurotypical people.
But did he say otherwise? I could well have missed something but I took that part of the message to clearly mean it doesn't matter if we do those things (not that we can't), cos that's great and I'm happy for your family but I will never be able to achieve anything like that because of my disabilities, and that shouldn't matter it shouldn't be relevant to anything. I heard it as people who won't be "successful" in the stereotypical way are still successful human beings and members of society whether they can get a PhD or make money or not. Cos all the focus on that again and again, If that stuff matters so much what happens to all us useless people who can't do it?
@@janemh5866 yes he did
@@j_g9724 why not a quote or some further info? "Yes he did, no he didn't" etc are what I call "nothing" comments, because they don't actually offer anything, whats the point?
@@janemh5866 he literally said "my son will never cure a harmful disease" as if autism is the thing stopping him from that.
@@CIPHERINATOR and you know that it isn't? That's not the same as "nobody with autism can achieve great things"
He’s now deleted all the comments pointing out that the organization is bad. It’s so upsetting that he’s saying he’s “trying to help us” but at the same time silencing us.
How do u know
I replied to multiple comments pointing it out to keep track of them, and they’re all gone now.
@@Cassinova795 argh why cant a single famous person be free of controversy imao
This is what I’m talking about...he doesn’t care about us at ALLLLL !!! It’s literally a savior act trying to look like a good person. Fuck mark
@@carelesskitten9475 Well that didn’t age well
Yep, I'm autistic, have a BA, an MBA, and am currently working toward a PhD in neuroscience. So... Mark ...what couldn't we do as autistic people? (BTW this is while having strong sensory sensitivities, multiple shutdowns, selective mutism, depression, anxiety along with the amazing benefits of hyper focus, a love of learning, a completely different perspective, a strong inquisitive mind, a talent for pattern recognition and systems design) Oh and I also managed a team of 5 people and a budget of $33m for four years. So... I exist to inspire others, is that it?
Watch the video.🙄 He never said autistic people can't or won't accomplish the things you've accomplished. He says even if they don't, alot of people with special needs leave the world net positive and THAT is a beautiful thing and should be equally celebrated. He points out that success is not defined by money, MBA, PhD, etc. but that success is leaving the world net positive.
@@FitgirlDancer I have, many times. He strongly implies via the rhetorical device he uses i.e. "they may never xyz, but" This device is commonly used to imply that as a group xyz will not happen. For example, you may say "strawberry ice cream may never pair well with cookie dough chunks or pieces of nougat, but I like it anyway". When we look in detail at the entire video -- which does not include any autistic adults, does not feature any autistic person speaking for themself including his son, promotes the disability trope as the people "bring joy" and by omission nothing else -- we can see a systematic portrayal of autistics and other disabilities as monolithic and infantilised. Have a look at the #colorthespectrum hashtag, there are many other great autistic analyses alongside @PrincessAspien's and mine.
@@FitgirlDancer lmao @ “watch the video 🙄” from someone who used the phrase ‘people with special needs’ without any hint of irony. instead of defending privileged neurotypicals & dismissing autistic people’s valid criticisms, maybe “watch the video” you’re commenting on? particularly the bit that explains why ‘special needs’ is problematic.
i can tell mark has genuinely good intentions, but it’s specifically the harmful aspects of his impact that we’re all criticizing. we’re not in the wrong for speaking up about what affects *us*.
oh, and... 🙄 here 🙄 is 🙄 a 🙄 bunch 🙄 of 🙄 eyeroll 🙄 emojis 🙄 for 🙄 you 🙄 ...since you’re so incredibly condescending.
one big pleasure of being autistic is being able to prove the people who think we're not capable of large scale success wrong. it feels so fucking good, and you've absolutely done that
@@FitgirlDancer "Net positive?" That sounds like it involves money lmao
Honestly, I am kinda okay with blaming them for this. It is most certainly their fault that they did not include autistic people or celebrities in the discussion, they didn't research the group that they were supporting, and they just didn't listen to what the autistic community has been talking about for years. While all of them do seem well intentioned, intention means nothing when this will literally hurt people. Even though it seems like he's trying, even without the charity he went with, the video still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm getting sick and tired of ignorance being an excuse, it's time they got their stuff together and listened to the autistic community for once.
This is very much how I feel about it. Both in general and specifically right now. The recent backlash against Sia’s disastrous film was public enough that Rober and his associates don’t really have an excuse for ignorance here.
There are autistic celebrities on the level of some of the people Rober has recruited for the stream, like Anthony Hopkins and Tim Burton (Burton is just speculated to be on the spectrum but still), and they didn’t even think to ask any of them. I’d rather hear from them than Adam Sandler or Jimmy Kimmel
@@erikdaniels0n honestly that feels worse in some way that they were not the spotlight and were not consulted about this
Or shut up.
@@WilliamMcGrath_Madrid sorry, I'm not sure if you're talking to me or talking about the celebrities? I would just like to double check because I wouldn't like to come across as harsh or defensive if that's not what you meant.
i'm so sorry to hear you have australian 😔 get well soon! 😋🤪 /s
Thank you 😓
@@chloeshayden YES BLEACH.... ua-cam.com/video/Gfa5vTXAfIo/v-deo.html Parents Using Bleach To Treat Autism -- ` some blame the Moon ` The parents in many of these groups, which have ranged from tens to tens of thousands of members, believe that autism is caused by a hodgepodge of phenomena, including viruses, bacteria, fungal infections, parasites, heavy metal poisoning from vaccines, general inflammation, allergies, gluten and even the moon."
These parents should be reported to the police and child protection services... the children need removing from the home...
@@chloeshayden I worked with a person with Autism in a computer teardown/rebuild company.. the skill of finding/patching/repairing/rewriting code said person had... oh some of the stuff turned my brain into a fried egg at times :)
You made it
This is my favourite comment 💀✋🏼😂😂
@@kylereese4822 Wait......there are people out there that actually believe the moon somehow causes Autism?? Seriously?! Oh my gosh, I don't know where these people got that info from, but I find that both ridiculous and hilarious 🤨😅🤣
this is so disappointing. i love a lot of the celebrities they mentioned and i know that this doesn't make them horrible people but they NEED to do their research. ignorance is no longer an acceptable excuse. also, i did hear a lot of people dropped out but as far as I have seen they didn't make any apologies or use their platforms to help educate people on why they were wrong/ why they dropped out. this would be a PERFECT opportunity for these people to raise awareness but it doesn't seem like any of them are going to use it :(
Exactly. I believe some like Hamill, Rudd and Samberg are doing it because they have big hearts, and I don’t necessarily think this is a “cancelable” offense (I hate the idea of cancel culture anyway) but I do think they should be criticized. Sadly, I don’t know if Rudd or Samberg have social media presences, so getting them to back out doesn’t seem likely :((
If all the people who dropped out hosted a rival/counter stream to raise money for something like ASAN, that would be amazing
@@erikdaniels0n that is an excellent idea!
@@erikdaniels0n some autistic creators are already doing that! I'll edit this comment with their names once I find them again-
Edit: Ok, one of the creators involved is Paige Layle! Her instagram has more info including the other creators she'll be joined by.
Who has dropped out of it so far?
wow i came from mark’s channel to gain another perspective on what he talked about and i’m so glad i came here. i’m not very educated about autism and i don’t pretend to be now either but i really feel like she opened my eyes to what autism is and i’d love to learn so much more about it. honestly love ur vibes, never change!
YES YOU JUST PUT MY EXACT THOUGHTS INTO WORDS
This is so disappointing. I have been watching mark rober for three years and I never expected him to do something like that. I hope he educates himself and makes sure to cancel this plan.
Same. I had such high hopes.
As far as I know he is yet to respond to any of the people literally screaming at him to change the charity. It's been so many days and it's really disheartening :/
What he do wrong tho he just raised 800k for a autism charity or sum
@@H_is_devious The problem lies with the charity, not the fact that he's trying to raise money to help autistic people. Basically the charity he's partnering with supports ABA therapy and looks for a "cure" for autism. You can look more into ABA therapy if you want, but it's basically it's just causing trauma in autistic kids through abuse until they stop showing autistic traits. It's really bad.
@@H_is_devious here’s an idea: watch the video you’re commenting on 🤨
I love how he thinks we don't go to uni and get degrees. I have ADHD (diagnosed) and possibly autism (I have many traits) and I'm a student midwife
yes!
Yep. He's a former NASA engineer, and as an autistic woman, I was just accepted for a NASA internship! We don't need to simply exist to make NTs feel better about themselves. Congratulations on your achievements, you're doing great and making lives better!
Like this man was an engineer, he worked at NASA and Apple, there’s no way he hasn’t come into contact with at least a few autistic people in those fields. Maybe they didn’t outright say they were but still
@Ryan Larkin excuse me? I have diagnosed ADHD? It's not self diagnosed? I show traits of autism and always have but pursuing diagnosis can be lengthy and my ADHD symptoms are what I struggle with the most. I am not self diagnosing, which is why I said I have traits and not 'i have autism'.
@Ryan Larkin and ADHD really limits me, bane of my existence
As an educator, this video is interesting because we are literally taught to use person-first language, special needs, etc 🤯
Definitely. As an autistic advocate I personally would be very upset if someone referred to me as having autism because I would feel lessened just for being me. Its very important to always default to "autistic".
@@junipersr Im autistic myself and I think that itself has the same kind of roots.
When you call someone autistic or refer to them as autists it could feel like that is being used as the only defining property. You are autistic, but you also are so much more. To emphasize that the phrase that you 'have autism' got into fashion. It's the same with disabilities. Calling someone 'disabled' is inherently negative, so certain 'disabled' people got annoyed by it. And then we use terms like 'special needs', 'differently abled', etc.
But inevitably, whenever a new term becomes currency, a movement will start to just 'call the thing by it's name and stop beating around the bush'.
The main thing is that basically every term seems to become offensive at some point in time.
I was so glad to see that Miranda Sings (aka Colleen Ballinger) has pulled out of the event, she is one of my favorite people here on youtube and it would have been incredibly disheartening to see her support something like this.
I mean, she changed her name from "Psycho Soprano" because how that word can be hurtful. She really does care.
@@beatm6948 damn that was a golden name too
Oof that aged like milk
LMAOOOOO ☠🤡 @@Someoneisntthere
@@SomeoneisntthereOUCH 💀
ALSO UPDATE: Rhett and Link backed out of the fundraiser after hearing about what the company is about!!! Idk if anyone else has done it as well
Edit: so glad to hear that others have backed out!! :)
That’s amazing I’m so happy to hear that at least one creator is listening. Thank you for sharing
Colleen has backed out too
Jack SepticEye and Karl Jacobs have backed out as well
@@Ava-km7tl made me smile to see that karl backed out :))
Not on social media a lot so I probably just missed it. Did they post about backing out? Can anyone link?
Note: research has proven that generally autistic males actually like the repetition, where females tend to avoid it or do not focus on it. This is also the reason why autism in males is generally found quicker, as they require more repetitive routines etc.
*This does not mean some autistic females do not require repetition, it mainly means most do not.
I have trouble in Math and I have an IEP and they call that a “special need” and it’s like-
Sir I just can’t do long division😭😭
Dude I couldn't do it either,eventually you'll be able to use calculators lol
I can’t do long division even though i would consider myself pretty good at maths (gets straight A’s In maths)
I just don’t get all the steps of long division 😟
I can't divide without a calculator at all and can barely subtract without one
i assume you can do derivatives
My 7th grade math teacher once said that a person who is wearing a cast has special needs and that it is indicative of it (I’m pretty sure this is correct.).
Mark is an engineering youtuber, I used to look up to him being an aspiring engineer myself, this one hit me close to home right here.
Also good job moving quickly Chloe, you went from an ig post probing about the video idea to posting a video insanely quickly
perfectly cut scream of “NOOOO” then ad
It’s great knowing multi millions of dollars will go towards forcing autistics into their shell the same way I was/did. Millions of dollars going towards giving people like me PTSD and Depression.
That's what confused me, I don't think I had been in an engineering class with an autistic person. Not only that some of the best engineers I know are autistic. With that in mind how does he have that closed view that Autistic can't walk on mars. (I understand not all autistic are good at math and science I just happen to be myself and its what is around me, and there is plenty around me)
@@5minutesofyourtime (Think you mean "without"* in that first sentence.)
I’m so disappointed in his choice in charity. The video had such a good message and he has such a large platform so it’s spreading. But dear god the charity is gonna hurt so many people.
Literally
This reminds me of Sia's response when she was told about how bad AS is: "Oh shit. I had no idea...!"
Sure.
its just sad thatsites like that try to profit from people trying to help autistic people
You were so optimistic at the first Chloe hahaha 😂 I don’t think Rober is a bad person, but this video really does have something.. off.. about it
I heard he was deleting autistic comments on his Instagram who were warning him about NEXT. Sooo....
@@TheSIAOfficial great. That's just great. 🤦 Way to go, Mark.
@@noelepeterson2036 bro chill
When I saw Mark's video I felt like something didn't quite sit right with me. It was making me uncomfortable but I couldn't quite put my finger on what that was to express it at the time. I also dismissed my feelings at first since no one seemed to be pointing anything out in the comment section (it was all NT people crying because omg so inspirational such a great parent), but it kept bothering me. Mark seemed to have good intentions with the video, it just felt a bit too inspiration porn-esque and could've used a viewpoint or two from autistic people themselves. I'm just so tired of hearing autism being always spoken about from the point of view of parents, siblings, family members, partners etc, almost always concentrating on smaller children. I wondered if I was just over-reacting, but you helped me put my worries into words. Thanks!
I don't know much about American charities and stuff (other than that Autism Speaks is bad) so thanks for the info on Next for Autism! So disappointing that Mark and the peeps are supporting something like that, I really hope they change the charity. I hope more people and bigger channels would talk about this so something could be done, instead of NTs ignoring us yet again and speaking over autistic people.
He posted a photo on his community tab about the video and that felt off to me too. I hadn’t seen the video yet but just the way he titled that post and the photo just seemed... weird. I ignored my feelings as well because I like Mark ad I was hoping I was just reading things wrong.
@@DeziVlogs what’s wrong the community tab post?
I mean I might just be stroking myself here but I kind of got that from the thumbnail.
@@FrancisR420 bruh there’s nothing wrong with the thumbnail
He deletes comments on the video, that's why you didn't find a like-minded person.
This made me cry - especially when you started talking about first person language. Autism is who I am - not something I have that I need to be rid of. Thank you for this, Chloe!
Special needs was the politically correct way to say disabled when I was growing up. Personally I am happy that disabled is the preferred term.
I totally agree with you regarding person first language, I have been told that I should use person first language to remind myself that I am more than my disability and that I shouldn't define myself by it.
Real "politically correct" language is self-claimed terms and dictated by the people who use those terms. So yeah, I agree with you.
Wait I thought person first was “person with autism” and was frowned upon
@@DeathnoteBB That is my point, professionals have been taught to use person first language in all circumstances as you are viewing the person as a person first and then their disability (that they are more than their disability).
At the time I didn't have my autism diagnosis, they were talking about different mental illnesses that I was diagnosed/misdiagnosed with.
Point still stands though, if you look at a video that any creator has done on person first v identity first language you will see all these comments from people saying that they were taught that they had to use person first language. It doesn't seem like there is a nuanced conversation around it (as they don't know that some communities prefer identity first language) just that it is the correct way to speak.
Girl, I have to give it to you. I’ve watched both your channel and Mark Rober’s channel every so often for years and enjoyed both. I saw that specific Mark Rober video before this one and it warmed my heart; I’m not autistic myself and I’m not very educated concerning autism, and so the red flags completely went over my head. I came here to watch this because I was surprised at the thumbnail, and you unraveled every single bit of Mark’s video for me in front of my eyes... you’ve taught me so much more about autism and the movements concerning it in twenty minutes than I’ve known my entire life. The way that you have so many values off the top of your head and that you can articulate them so clearly blows my mind. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be so morally driven, so thoughtful, so kind and intelligent and passionate- but you’re making me aspire to be those things. In twenty minutes, you’ve just become such a huge role model, you don’t even know. 🥺
I feel like I have so much more to say to you, but I don’t know how to word it. For now, I really want to thank you for this genuine reaction video that was able to educate me so, so much. I think I’m gonna share this with a few friends because the message is so important. Thank you for being the wonderfully caring and bubbly individual that you are. Keep on being a legend ☺️❤️
That's what autism is, we are not typically self driven
My best friend in uni is autistic, and she is one of the top students in our university. This is her second degree, and if she wanted to do a PhD she would be so capable. I get that he was trying to show that even if you aren't able to do things that are usually celebrated disabled people are super valuable, but it also very falsely implies that if you are disabled/have high support needs, you can't do any of these things. Never knew how bad next for autism is- thanks for letting us know (I certainly won't be donating now)
It also makes it sound like our only true inherent value is to bring allistic folk joy… Like no Mark, we’re not your loyal court jester or inspiration poster you look at with pity to appreciate how “great” your life is. Our inherent value is you know, being a human person like everyone else?
As soon as my boyfriend told me about Mark’s video and that he was working with big names to donate, I was seriously worried about this.
1:43 *is upset that people call it special needs, that they call them special abilitie*
8:45 *is happy that people in the community calls it super powers*
I don't mean to sound rude and I won't reply to comments cause I deal with my own mental things but like.. Maybe you need to be less rigide about the words people use. Interacting with others is already hard enough without making people walk on eggshells especially when you literally change your mind about how you feel about someone using superpower/special abilities as descriptives when talking about abilities and differences.
I thought exactly the same!!! It was pissing me off. She was soo busy critizicing the words he says that she didnt focus on the message!
I agree, i think we totally should discuss terminology and deeper messages with openly and rationally but not criticise the people for every minor language nuance, if there is conflict within the community on what language we like prefer that means we can't talk about it like this video, as though there is a distinct right and wrong. Some people in the community are fine with "special needs", some people don't like "superpowers" (I hate it and find it so patronising! Especially when my so called super powers also cause me difficulties!!!) So let's not act like we should criticise others for saying things like that if everything else is respectful and reasonable
@@janemh5866 There is a difference between the responsibility you have as a person and the responsibilities of media figures and producers.
@@Smonsequenses ??
My adhd brain loves how fast you speak. You’re the only UA-camr I don’t have to put on 2x
And yet, she could be faster. (I've got her on 1.5x now. There's an arms race brewing...)
You should try listening to music at 2x speed! It's so fun
"Everyone has a little bit of autism" the way I physically reacted at that lmao
I told my uncle my husband is Autistic and he told me he was worried he was going to be a burden for me...eh, why?! If anything I'm the burden. He's freaking amazing, he's the love of my life, and I love my Autistic husband. I also got very angry and sent him a huge list of Autistic successful people so he sees how many of those idols are actually Autistic.
I don't know you but I know that you're not a burden ! you're amazing and I wish you and your husband hapiness and I wish you well !
A couple of UA-camrs have dropped out, including jacksepticeye and Rhett and Link! Let’s keep pushing!
Rhett and Link have always been real ones. Always very thoughtful and self aware. Not surprised that they dropped out.
You have SUCH an incredible personality and you have a way with words that is just.. amazing.
What I can't do a PhD better drop out my PhD now
Emily, My former Boyfriend from my High School L.D. class is Autistic and now as an Adult he is a Psychologist with a PHD;)!! So don't give up!! My former Boyfriend' Kindergarten Teacher told his Mom,, "Your Son will never amount to anything."! So, I'll bet his old teacher is rating humble pie now!!
@@wantingoneangel8976 thank you for caring :) in this comment I was being sarcastic about how easy it is to find autistic people doing phds I will find a very funny because I'm an engineer which is the different field he undermined in his original video.
@@5minutesofyourtime I am close to finishing my PhD in Church History, stick at it only the jealous say we cannot do it.
Shore some on the spectrum cannot do high-level academia but that is the same as most neurotypicals. The nay says are often just annoyed that we can show them up in whatever it is.
ps my overly literal autistic brain completely misses the sarcasm until reading the post where you pointed it out.
I remember, last year, a woman asked me to sponsor her to wear a blue dress everyday with money for autism speaks, and I said, "I'm sorry, but you have just offended me by that. AUtism SPeaks wants to wipe us out, and you want me to donate money!" I have it that I don't wear blue at all in April. One person told me that it is ridiculous that I think this way, and I said, "No, it's not."
I was hoping for this video I noticed there was a lot of flaws in the video and i didn't want the wrong message to be sent but no one was saying anything.
This guy even has the gall to title it 'the truth about my son' Reminds me of Truth Social.
While it's possible Mark is simply unaware of the dangers of these organizations, isn't he supposed to be smart? He's smart enough to overengineer packages squirrel mazes & glitter bombs but he's not smart enough to realize what we mean by #NotAboutUsWithoutUs?
I was so excited to watch someone as big as Mark Rober support the disabled community because over this quarentine I've been trying to learn about disabilities more. So I did all I could by liking and commenting! I just wished I saw this before the charity event so I could've known what this charity organization really stood for. Thanks for educating me! I'm definently subbing now.
This is awful and I hope it doesn’t happen, but I am relieved that jacksepticeye has been made aware of the issues and withdrew from this event. So at least there’s that!
I personally see nothing wrong with using the phrase "I have autism" or "I have ADHD" or whatever it may be. We also say "I have blue eyes." English is weird I would give people grace.
"Have autism" is used to separate people from the disability so they can be seen as people like everyone else. At the same time if the disability is how your brain works and a part of your identity, only being perceived as a person when seperate from that is similar to saying unless you're like me I don't see you as a person. I am autistic because that is part of what makes me me, if you see me as a person only when I "have" it, like an add on I can leave behind, you don't see ME as a person.
Almost all autistic people who say they "have autism" say it because that was what they were told was correct according to neurotypical people. The vast majority of autistics, and all the well educated on the autistic community autistics would not use person first language.
I believe in second chances with stuff like this, if someone is told that they should default to "autistic" after saying someone "has autism" and they are are happy to listen and learn, as well as to improve they're language, I'm happy. I've had people though who completely reject the idea and they deeply hurt and offend me, anyone who isn't willing to start defaulting to "autistic" once educated, is being ableist and is being offensive.
Honestly I wish there was a way to say I have ADHD in a way that is more intrinsic to me like the wording I am autistic because my ADHD is intrinsically me
Didn't Chloe literally said it's because autism shapes them as race shapes a person? Having blue eyes doesn't, I am honestly flabbergasted by this comparison.
@@randomuserwitharandomname6183 Exactly ^^
Its not like "having blue eyes" its like saying someone "has black" or "has gay"
@@junipersr Thanks, I'm glad to have read your comments!
(Baised off self diagnosis, being tested in March 2022) I'm a (pretty sure) autistic trans man, I just wanted to say I love your videos. My husband and I both have learned so much from you. You deserve so many more followers then what you have. EVERYBODY in the world should watch your videos. That would make the world such a better place... Hell without ableism we might achieve world peace... (Also of topic I love your vivarum. My sister makes them.)
I love what you are saying about this. I also think that Mark saying that autistic people don't need to achieve the greatest feets to have a purpose was good. He's acknowledged that a lot of people either think of autistic people as incapable humans or extremely smart people with savant syndrome (e.g. rain man) and he is just trying to say that they can do other things as well. Thousands of our smartest minds have been people with disabilities and autism but not every autistic person has those same skills. E.g. Mark Rober's son's friend could recite the day of the week for any date, but Mark's son couldn't. This doesn't mean he's any less of a successful and important person.
Most autistic people actually lie in the middle and have an intelligence in the normal range, just like most people in general. They're just not as exciting as the super intelligent or the mentally challenged, so you don't see a lot about them in the media.
I will be sharing this on my Twitter my Facebook and if I can transfer it to my Instagram I am going to these organizations do not need to be in existence any longer and they do not represent the artistic community in any way and I am currently self diagnosing as having or have autism and I will be getting tested in July
My wife has Diabetes (Type 1, CANNOT be taken away, CANNOT be cured, has had it almost all her life), and she does not like to be called a "diabetic". She does not want that to be associated with her identity. My point is, people view themselves in different ways. We should be open first and judge second. We don't know what language his son prefers (probably the language of love, which I'm sure his dad gives him). People so easily look for the bad in peoples words rather than the good.
7:17 it was such a good example. It needed a trigger warning. Upon subsequent watches it started triggering me.
This is unrelated to the content of the video but where is your shirt from?
On topic-this video is so much kinder than I can be so thank you bc I can send this video instead of just yelling "THIS IS EUGENICS!!"
Thank you for being one of the most amazing people!! I’m a teacher and I’ve taught many Autistic students who people expected so little of and I hated it because they had so much to give. They just didn’t do it in the way that society expected.
It's so sad. Thank you for everything, your words, your online-petition and for providing all these information. Love you ❤️🌈
As soon as I saw NEXT FOR AUTISM, I was like "oh that'd be amazing right?" WRONG. Next for autism is an organization supported by Autism Speaks. Mark should've known from the very beginning why NFA isn't a great organization and why we #Autistics say it is wrong. I'm just glad that as a Mythical Beast (rhett and link fan, check them out btw good mythical morning. You'll love em), we came together and got R&L off the live stream because we gave them research to back it up and Mark should've done his own before making this video!
Is it bad that I prefer 'Special Abilities' for myself? I'm Autistic and it makes me feel happy. Is that bad?
No, you go with whatever makes you comfortable. Don't let anyone pressure you. Stay strong.
@@Hamiltonstacy84 oh, ok! Thank you, Stacy. Same for you.
No! It's cool, language is very personal, so be yourself.
I’m autistic. I have a Law/Arts double degree. THE FURY.
How can a smart, well educated father, be in support of an organisation that would actively abuse and harm his own child given the chance 😞 there’s no excuse for his lack of even doing 10 minutes of basic research
Can you put the names of the charities you listed as good charities in the description?
I have a friend with an autistic son that I would like to give the names of the charities to.
I know it’s hard to watch videos like this, but I really appreciate hearing your take on it. I’ll be sharing this where I can so hopefully more people can drop out of this, or they change charities or generally just do better, because this ain’t it. Love your content!
when i watched marks video, the first thing that came to my mind was a friend of mine, 25 on the spectrum, love him nd if you were to have a conversation with him youd notice he really misses school and his community within his class. seriously if you were to talk to him today he would bring up teachers and classmates from three years ago. he isnt allowed to get a job, the neighboring community doesnt quite understand him... life in not easy for him right now... and hearing about Autism next from Mark really gave me hope. there is a group of ppl that do care and want to help ppl like my friend who is so so smart but might need guidance and maybe supervision doing some task. that autism next thing can give someone like HIM an oppotrunity to move foward and integrate into society. for those who are like "i have degrees and autism" that is fuckin amzing!! but there are a whooooollleeee lot of ppl who are non verbal, over looked, not given the proper space or in some cases abused. i feel mark is trying to speak up and out for those who cant... imagine my 25 year old friend, who has no job, cant go to school, is banned from certain parts of the neighborhood cause moms dont understand him.. fuckin sad right??... now imagine him with a job.. making money and friends...
I was under the impression that NEXT for autism was a good organization because it funds resources connecting autistic people with jobs. If that's not a good organization, I'd love to know which ARE good organizations that connect autistic adults with jobs.
Not looking for a fight. Looking for resources. (Side note, if people know resources that are specific for Canadians that would be even cooler)
@Queen queen Between the four organizations listed, two organizations were specific to teens and younger kids, and the other two had information about transitioning to adulthood and advocating for accommodations and equality.
What I'm looking for are resources for work. I am an educated autistic adult in my mid-twenties struggling to find work and I feel left out by these organizations.
currently as I speak in this comment section... Next for autism is at $858,095.00 (USD) raised... Fricken Disgusting.
I clicked "Watch" SO FAST! Haha just finished watching Mark's video and then this came up.. AMAZING 😍
My poor sweet NT husband sent me Mark's video excited to see if it would make me happy and was so disappointed when I didn't respond well, but I couldn't put my finger on why. This gives me those words I needed, thank you so much for this. My husband understands now what bothered me and is glad to learn how to recognize ableism when he sees it.
the way you described the spectrum was absoluetly beautiful
Whenever I see you post I always have such a huge feeling of relief, finally someone who I always agree with. You are honestly my favourite internet person and I'm so thankful for all that you do, you're a huge inspiration to me. I hope more people find their way to your videos and will learn something!
I am not on the spectrum but I love educating myself and that's why I am subscribed to your channel. I wanted to say thank you for educating others and explaining these things because I saw Mark Rober's video and I didn't see a problem with it at first, so thanks for opening my eyes!
Didn’t even watch the whole video yet, already signed the petition. 100% agree with you Chloe!
I think someone should reach out to Mark Robber. I know he genuinely wants to do the right thing, just doesn't know how.
Chloe, My advice since this Mark Robert is better person than I thought because he does love his Son, maybe you contact him personally and tell him everything that you said in this video about the Evil group Autism Speaks and that other group that are hate groups against people who are Autistic!! You can tell him to that a follower of yours,which is me, has a former Boyfriend from my L,D, high school class who is Autistic and is now a psychologist with a PhD and my former Boyfriend told me that when he was in kindergarten his kindergarten teacher told his mother that he "would never amount to anything",which as you can see is absolute bull!! And I do agree with you Chloe that our success should not be based on how much money we make or what we do or do not do, however disabled people should not exist to make others happy or for anyone's amusement! In addition to this, it is interesting that you said that Stephen Colbert is one of the contributors. Stephen Colbert is an American comedian that I personally watch on television! Maybe you should try to contact Stephen Colbert and get on his show via Zoom or via FaceTime! Since covid-19 is not fully under control in the United States, you'd have to go on Stephen Colbert show via video. Stephen Colbert is a good person from what I've seen and therefore I think might be fair to you. Chloe I think you need to get out there publicly like you are doing now and educate some of these bigwigs! You have the acting skills and experience on social media that I think you can help stop this evil group from hurting other people!! God bless all you do Chloe and for helping me to understand so much more!
Unfortunately multiple well known advocates have shared this message with Mark personally and on Twitter for the last few days. He has not responded. I recommend you comment on his video and go like and retweet on Twitter and other social media to amplify these voices.
I think somebody needs to comment something like this on Mark’s video (feel free to copy past this :’)) “You love your son. You think your son is incredibly special just the way he is. That’s wonderful. But, what if I told you that the money you earn from this charity event is going directly to a group that thinks that the world would be better off without people like him. That the disability, the thing that makes him so special, should be eradicated for future generations. I believe you have the best of intentions, but please, please choose a different organization to donate the money to”
Yea unfortunately we've been saying these sorts of things for two days... since he posted the video. Multiple people saying this exact thing multiple times, with hundreds of likes and RTs. He has not responded at all, and in fact posted another update about the fundraiser a few hours ago. He knows. I (used to) love him, but he knows.
Yikessss
Mark’s video led me to your channel so I’m thankful for that. I have an awesome six year old autistic son and I’ve learned so much from you today.
I'm feeling your frustration Chloe, these people really need to know better! I'm so grateful for your voice and perspective. Please look after yourself this continual dreadful behaviour is tiring...
Fool that I am, I thought "Oh, it's not Autism Speaks! I guess this is a good one!"
But now I find out it's just Autism Speaks, but by a different name. Fucking hell.
as of 17:00 in the video, although I have autism, the point of fundraising, etc. should be for the increased acceptance and awareness of Autism and how it interacts in society, NOT forcing us to work, etc. if we don't have the capacity to stand it; and in the education of people on the spectrum, modifying the curriculum to account for our learning style, slow uptake of information, etc. what an Autistics' purpose in life is: "to advance the acceptance of autism in the community, reduce the chance of bullying and the stigmas of this condition on the next generation, and in short a legacy of smoothing the road ahead for the next generation"
Mark needs to see this ...
What's crazy is that I've been watching his videos for a while now and I don't think Mark realizes that he may also be on the Spectrum. He has all the indications especially with his obsession's with engineering and inventing.
He is diagnosed with ADHD or ADD (can't remember exactly which right now) and it's actually quite open about it. While it's not the same, with how much ADHD and Autism overlap, yeah, he probably has no idea of what this actually is
@@AshNRoses4409 I've never seen him mention this, where does he say it?
He may be, but then everyone who has a mechanical career might be autistic because they are obsessed with it. People can have hobbies or really like their job without being autistic. That being said, autism is hereditary, so you may be onto something. My father, brother and me are all autistic.
@@markl4730 I'm not sure? Most of his videos where he mentioned it were in unus annus, and I don't think he has like a "Hey, I have ADHD" video. More like every once in a while mentioning stuff like "I got my meds for the ADHD" or "Because of my ADHD" without diving much into it
@@markl4730 ua-cam.com/video/Ad1bioo-sak/v-deo.html never mind I found a video
I 100% agree with you on the way neurotypical people try to act like our disabilities are superpowers. I have ADHD, and get so annoyed with people comparing it to a superpower. I know it's done with good intentions, but it usually comes across as condescending.
As an autistic adult, I'm bothered by parents who disclose thier children's autism diagnosis online as content. I think it should be up to each individual if and when they disclose.
autistic run charities/advocacy groups Chloe mentioned in the video:
Autistic Self Advocacy Network (ASAN): autisticadvocacy.org/
Autistics For Autistics (A4A): a4aontario.com/
Yellow Ladybugs: www.yellowladybugs.com.au/
+ there's also the Autistic People of Color Fund: autismandrace.com/
loved the video ❤️ thank you for the time and energy you put into it!
I'm not even through the video yet but I NEED to comment on this.
Thank you.
My sister is autistic. As a child I went to classes to learn about why she does things the way she does and just to understand because I had no idea what it was. I'm only 6 minutes in and almost everything you have said, I have NEVER heard before. It's sad really. Thank you for educating people. I watched his stream (part of it) not realizing how bad that organization was. I know about Autism Speaks and how bad they are but I never knew about the organization he was working with and I really wish now I did more research.
This is a huge eye-opener for me.
I've been blind in my ways of trying to be supportive. Thank you.
Edit: I love the superpower comment SO MUCH. It pisses me off how people look down on autistic people as less than like are you freakin kidding me? If we took a freakin minute to give people the resources they need you guys would outshine us in minutes. My sister literally finished a college class with a final grade of 101% BUT YEAH OKAY neurotypicals are better. Get off your high horse 😂 I could never do anywhere near as well in math as that kid. She is outstanding.
Ya'll are an evolution above us. It fascinates me to no end. And the kid with the dates! HOW! And it's so normal to him! It's so freakin cool 😭
You get to experience the world in a way we never will understand. Why is that such a bad thing? Why isn't this celebrated? 😔
one of the problems i have with this video is that he included the demonstration of a sensory overload with no tw at all. it almost sent me into an overstimulation episode and it's not ok that he didn't give any heads up.
I was told I have “ Mild to Severe” Autism. In level 2. But here’s the thing. That 3 levels doesn’t make sense to me. Because I might experience one thing worse, than others and some things might not bother me as much but they can Vary by day sometimes and sometimes they tend to be more the same. It doesn’t even make sense and it’s rude to autistic people to put them in groups from “less” to “worse”
Aaaa that scene in the park felt painfull:/. My senses are a bit to sensetive today because i have had a busy one and a half week so im realy glad that at my new job we don't have alot of loud noises and that i have a pair of safety headphones for if i need them:).
I hope if they choose to they are able to switch to a better organisation:/.
This video is very informative and really did help clear up a lot of things about autism for me. I avoided Mark Rober’s video since I just had a bad feeling about it (famous people can be... eh about things sometimes). I’m also glad to hear from the comment section that a lot of people pulled out from this after hearing about the charity. The fact that Mark seems to be going through with it is still not good and is really upsetting honestly. I really hope videos like this and general outcry can diminish the harm that will come out of this but I don’t know. Thank you for making this video.
There is a phenomenal thread on Twitter from Dave Thibault (dave_thibault on Twitter) that goes into more detail about aspects of Rober’s video that didn’t sit right with him, specifically the fact that since 2019, Carly Fleischmann‘s internet presence has been nonexistent, which many believe is due to her calling out her father’s boyfriend for sex*ally a**aulting her, and many fear there is an abusive situation involved. With such a huge platform, Rober could have brought attention to that, but he didn’t, and that really sucks
Thank's for the shoutout Erik. Great to see the good word being shared around.
I've since updated the thread and included Chloe's petition at the end. We all need to help each other out.
This broke my heart. I love him and when I saw his video I loved him more; but to find that Mark has failed in this way brought me low. Thank you for sharing your voice and your mind with us all. I am in your debt. PEACE
I loved his video and your video but the organization, that part is just sad. Mark is an AMAZING person and is incredibly smart, his engineering works, support for different communities and helping not only autistic, but other creative kids with possibilities in the future reach their dreams, the video he did with freakin BILL GATES to help save the world, trying to stop everyday problems like stopping porch pirates and ending massive scamming problems to keep millions of dollars out of the wrong peoples hands. But a mistake like this giving insane amounts of money to end a group of people is sad, its kinda like giving millions to end a specific race 😐.
to be fair, there is no feasible way an organisation can wipe a certain (words that won't get me flamed) of person, that is ridiculous
In order for me to hear this properly I put the playback on this video at .75. She is one fast talker and she has so much good stuff to say! Much respect to you Princess Aspien.
ADHDers, I wanna know who can use X2 speed and still follow how fast she talks? Haha
Like the child in Mark’s video, I also have the ability to tell you what day of the week a day is.
I disagree with you on the “i am autistic” vs “i have autism” thing, i have adhd but i would never say (i am adhd...obviously bc its not grammatically correct lol) but also bc i dont want it to be by identity, i see it as a part of my identity or a part of myself but i am not defined by this diagnosis, same with other mental health disorders, you dont wanna say “he is schizophrenic” you wanna say he has schizophrenia, idk i guess its different for autism lol but a lot of people dont wanna be defined by their diagnosis so they are more comfortable using “person first” language
That's okay, but we are talking about living with autism, not adhd. You can't disagree on it if you dont have autism. :) /lh
the whole point is that it's subjective, but person first should not be the default. identity first should be the default, and if someone's uncomfortable with that they can say so. the reason for this is because you cannot separate someone from their autism. it's not "this is my autism, and this is me" they are not two separate things, your autism is you, and you are it. does that mean that's all you are? certainly not.
I think another thing that should be brought up regarding disabled people's ability to succeed or contribute, is that our worth shouldn't have to come from what we contribute- whether that be the more standard ideas of success, or by satisfying a emotional or mental role. Trying to expand what it means to contribute or be successful like Rober was doing, doesn't combat the core of the issue- that disabled people need to give something or do something for abled people to be accepted. Yes disabled people are incredibly capable and have undeniably made major contributions to the world throughout history, but the worth of disabled people is completely separate from that fact- disabled people matter, we matter regardless of whether or not we contribute something or succeed.
I'm only 3 minutes and 20 seconds in, and I can already tell I'm going to love this video. No one ever mentions the whole thing over "I have autism" and "I'm autistic." I've seen people even say that calling someone autistic is rude and that saying they have autism instead is correct? like what? I personally never saw much of a difference, I can say both, they're interchangeable. But if I had to pick one, definitely "I'm autistic." It's part of who you are, it just means you process things differently, not that you have a disease that needs to be fixed!! needed to be addressed more by people and I'm glad you mentioned it!
yeah this is all I wanted to rant about haha gonna watch the rest now
oh forgot to say im autistic you probably already figured that out but yh
edit: love the way you explained this and I am definitely going to steal that explanation in the future to my non-autistic friends :D
Could you please list the autism organizations you do stand behind? I don't know what the acronyms stand for. Also, are they international or are any in Canada? Thank you.
This makes me so sad, and it’s been what, 3 months, and he hasn't done anything. I looked at his twitter, it’s still the pinned tweet. I looked at his UA-cam, the videos are still up, not even a mention of an apology, anywhere. Some people in the comments are saying he deletes comments on his video about how this is wrong, and yeah I think it’s true. I thought that he was just not well educated, but I’m confused now, what is he doing? Does he know how much he is hurting people? I don’t understand. But thank you this was a really well explained video, and I hope more people see it, even though I guess this is kind of over.
Hello, I am Elly, I am on my brother's account currently, but anywho,
I myself am a child with ADD, and whenever someone ask me if I took my pills, (I have to take both attention and anxiety pills,) I usually either say yes, or go take them, but sometimes people call my pills medicine.
When people call my pills medicine, it makes me feel like I'm sick with something, like ADD is some disease that I was just unlucky enough to be born with.
So when you said that Autism is just what it is, and that people don't need to call it, "Special Needs", I felt like I related to that in a way, because when people call my pills, "medicine", it makes me want to tell them how they make me feel when they say that.
Thank you for ponting this out, you are wonderful, goodbye!
God damn it.
I watched this video after donating my money to NEXT. I feel so bad now
I can imagine New Zealanders say that someone has Australianess.
His video really annoyed me.
I’m so glad you’re using your platform to break down how problematic it is.
I'm a teacher to autistic kids, and I agree... they are spectacular... and warm and funny (even intentionally) and creative and imaginative. It's an honour to work with the students I do even though it is really rough at times. Not because they are autistic... but because I might be too. A lot of sensory and social overwhelm in this professional. But a tonne of magic.
Also... I think "special needs" kids are magical 100%. I've seen it first hand. Pure magic. ❤❤❤
I'm adhd, autistic and ocd and I'm really grateful to you for self advocating and making the world a better place for people like us.