Amazing Precision, The Swan Neck Regulator-Watch and Learn #67
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In today's episode of watch and learn, we will discuss the Swan Neck regulator. This cool little gadget allows movements to be tuned with amazing precision.
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Great explanation Marc! The swan neck has one more advantage - bumping your watch against something cannot change the speed of the watch.
I sure wish more watches had this kind of setup!
Me too.
Definitely. But if they did, we’d probably all have COSC level watches! LOL
@@robertkelly3357, Wouldn't that be a good thing, though? It would force the Swiss giants to try harder and actually improve instead of selling essentially the same exact products for decades.
@@NatiiixLPtoo bad the cosc requirements aren't really that impressive, I feel that any modern movement should be able to regulate within -4/+6 if done by hand, and the swiss made requirement is really just there to stroke themselves like normal.
Which one is the better one ?
I now know whst a swan regulator is and actually does to regulate a watches movement.
Then I've done my job!
I wanted to know what a swan neck regulator is and now I do, but I think I need to learn more about regulators. My watch has a wood pecker regulator
Hi Marc, how about a W&L episode explaining the co-axial escapement? Seems no one can get it clear enough...
George Daniels did 😁
We watch geeks have heard these words many times and sometimes never know what it is exactly. Simple fix but makes a big change. Thanks Mark! 👍🏼
Thanks. I was going to spend more money on the swan neck . Why bother. I will not be trying to adjust the watch .
Really enjoy your videos. Swan's neck should be standard on high-end movements, but alas...
;)
That was such a good explanation! I really feel like I have a better understanding now of the swan’s neck regulator. Thank you!! Really appreciate it!!
Recently got a 1963 with the swan neck regulator. Out of the box, I am amazed how accurate this watch has kept time being fast only by 4 secs over 24 hours. Honestly had couple of Omegas that were 4 to 5 secs faster in a day. Seems like I got lucky or Seagull really does a good QC job.
Does it hold up over time ?
Durability us my biggest concern.
Hi Marc, what type Seagull watch that has swanneck?, Is it seagull 1963 or sugess?. Thanks
I have many American made pocket watches from the early 1900 's and a lot of them had this adjustment. It was called a micrometric regulator.
Fascinating. I know my Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical has an ETA movement with a screw adjust that was very, very easy to regulate versus all of my other watches, but I've never seen the "Swan Neck" device until now.
Similar, but this is even finer adjustment.
I always wondered about this! Great explanation, thank you Mark.
Thanks!
My 1917 Hamilton pocket watch has one.
Are those both Seagulls 1963? Could you list the movements to know which one has a swan neck regulator? Tnx.
If you want to buy them from aliexpress, there will be the 2 versions that he is showing in most cases. The one with the swan neck is a bit more expensive.
May I ask which Seagull has the swan neck?
The answer is: some of them :D
Great video. Very informative. Wish Orient still made those divers though.
Which divers?
Long Island Watch the 100m that you showcased at the beginning of the video.
Long Island Watch Marc , I bought an orient Polaris!! Tell me I made a good choice lol. So far I’m digging it
A Swaaaarns Neck. Great vid was looking for the distinction between these two.
I am about to decide on a ST1908 (Seagull) chronograph with this unique feature, usually only found in older pocket watches. For some reason most ST1908 do NOT have this adjustment, only a handful stores (e.g. Sugess, Seakoss) explicitly offer these watches, around $200 shipped. Even worse: those who do use this feature have a ridiculous minute counter scale (in 5min increments, so the minute hand hits between markers at almost any minute). I guess the Chinese haven't really figured out watchmaking after all these years...
Usually I do adjust my mechanical watches on the bench (using smartphone software to check the BPH). Many watches are poorly adjusted and can be significantly improved by fixing their speed error. Fractions of a degree will make HUGE differences, but patience and a calm hand will do wonders. I got even the cheapest watches (e.g. the Luch monotimer 1801) down to +4s/day. And a Nesun "carousel" (ST1201 semi tourbillon) down to 0.0 (!) this way - the beast ran for several months without losing/gaining a single minute!
WIth gooseneck control this adjustment procedure would be definitely simpler and less of a guess work.
So I have to decide: super precise adjustment or precise and useful stop watch scales on my new ST1908.
Thanks for demonstrating how to get to the tiny screw on the side! I was wondering if gooseneck watches need to be uncased to get to this weird screw position - it would have made little sense. Now it does!
Is the watch worth it? About to order the pilot moonphase chronograph from seguss
Would really love a video series that breaks down every component of an ETA movement and how each of them makes the movement work.
Sounds like a mini-series :)
How common is this swan regulator being use in watch movements?
Do they used more in expensive movements?
It is mostly in expensive movements.
Like Geddy Lee sings in "Vital Signs" "Everybody go to evelate from the norm" :-)
BOUGHT 2 WATCHES FROM YOU IN A WEEK. LOVE YOUR ON LINE STORE AND your videos.
never thought i'd learn about watchmaking from Bill Hader himself!
This is pretty awesome. Are there any more affordable watches that take advantage of this at all? Edit: And are there any other ways to make regulating a watch easier and more precise?
A way to regulate a watch with no tools is to write down how far off the watch is in different positions. For example say you watch runs fast +6s a day face up. And it runs -5s face down. So if you change positions when you dont use the watch (while it's still running) you can have an even accurate time piece.
Yes, there are double swans. Also, you have watches like ETA that use an eccentric screw.
affordable watches that take advantage of this: Yes, some seagull 1963 variants do, you'll have to check the individual listings to see which though.
Yes, Sugess.
great video Mark. I actually regulated a swan neck after watching, and it worked! Thanks much.
Very interesting and useful video. Thank you,Mark
Welcome!
ST1901 movement
♻🇫🇷 still searching/buying for them for parts or repair ... i will not now buy 10000 new 😂♻
Wow! Fantastic video Mark, well done!! I've been trying to work out what regulating mechanism my Grand Seiko watch has with its 9S86 movement and are inching closer... this isn't it, but good to learn along the way
So then a swan neck regulator gives a much finer adjustment? Yes?
Yes!
Finer, and less stressful than trying to move that tiny lever back and forth with basically trial and error increments.
Apparently I bought a parts bin 1963 but I bought it directly from sugess. I have watched like 10 other videos of this watch and only one had the swans neck.
Great explanation! I always wondered what this was. Thanks!
In short more control and more precise adjustments. Great idea. All watches in this category should just come with these.
Sweet got my sugess B homage back to +2 secs a day. Thnx mark from long Island watches.
If my gorilla hands can finesse the Swan neck anyone can ✌️
I bought the 1963 chronograph from the suggest official page and it get lost. Sugess never gave me a solution, I was scamed
Great video. To the point and informative. ❤
Have one it's 1 to 2 seconds a day,so won't be trying to improve it,Great watch the Seagull 1963.
Why did they have to put that swan neck adjustment screw 2mm away from the balance wheel? One slip of the screwdriver out of that microscopic slot and it's toast.
I wish all movements had this. It's hard to explain how tiny of a movement it takes to swing the spd by 10 seconds or more. I've had times I pushed a bit and thought I didn't even move it at all and I did move it enough to gain or lose 3 or 4 spd. With the screw it would be SOOOOOOO much easier.
I have a Segull 1963 on its way to me with the Swan Neck Regulator
So what you’re telling me is that the extra $10 is useless unless you plan on servicing the watch yourself
One of the best watch UA-cam channels out there!! Thank you Mark.
I have a swan neck but like... I can't get it to turn. My screwdrivers are shit and they just slip out. I really wanna regulate it because it has less than 5 secs positional variance and I can get it within chronometer standards if I could just freaking turn the screw
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So enjoyable to watch your videos and gain knowledge into this passion we all share. Thank you so much!
You are very welcome.
Explained with clarity & well worth the look. Finer tuning with less chance of recurrence due to the nature of the Swan neck... Thanks Marc!
Awesome, it's easy to see when someone actually knows what is talking about.
Amazing, Marc. This science fascinates me.
Coolness. Love science.
Same
Amazing channel content
Many thanks.
YOU NEED A MACHINE FOR REGULATION, SO BETTER GO TO THE WACH SERVICE!!
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. I always enjoy them and learn something. It's also how I found your online store and have been very satisfied with my purchases.
Mark- How many parts there are in an ST-1901?
Very informative video, thanks Marc!
Thank you.
Same same, but different.this tutorial has me fully energated
LOLOL
Given that it looks like a fairly basic part, do you know why it’s not more common? Seems like an obvious thing to add.
Just an added expense. Yes, simple, but still more expensive. Also, this is a larger movement so the plates have more room.
Very clever solution. I'm surprised that more movements don't simply extend the post as far as possible though as a cost-effective solution. Why make it so short? Have been working my way through all of the W&Ls this week. Really good videos. Thanks so much
If the post is longer, there is more mass to get jostled around, so small impacts could speed up or slow down your watch more easily.
Excellent tutorial in easy-to-understand, layman’s words. I have a Panerai with a swan’s neck regulator. I knew what it looks like, how it got that name... But never knew how it worked or why it was desired. Now I do! Thank you very much and keep up the good work. 👍
Glad you found this useful!
I've found my woodpecker regulator surpasses every one of my swan necks. Thank you never satisfied Germany.
Sweet!
Great video, wonderful explanation. If i didn't live in the EU, you'd be my number one watch dealer because of the added value you deliver with these videos. 👍👍👍
Do the Seagull 1963s in your store have these yet? I remember what a nightmare it was using a toothpick with a "normal" regulator. It took multiple tries and more than a week to get my 1963 (from longislandwatch.com) to within a second a day, but that watch is still running great after almost three years!
@Cw Sayre Very sensible. In my case it was probably a bad idea to open up the caseback repeatedly. Even though I tried to keep the area clean, there was always the chance of dust getting into the movement. For the mechanical watches I've gotten since then, I'm happy to leave them alone if they're within specs.
Yes, some of them do.
ThNk you Marc. I knew the swan neck was a good thing, but didn’t understand why. I really appreciate your watch and learn videos!😍
Thanks for watching
Very cool video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks. Will do.
Very clear, thankyou.
Really cool thanks Marc!
Thanks!
Nobody does it like Marc.
Thank you!
Anyone knows which screw to use?
Great video! I’ve learned something worthwhile today. Thanks
Thanks!
March 14 2020. Just got my Seagull 1963 from Long island watch today, I bought the black dial and it looks amazing. On a side note it does not have a "Swan Neck Regulator". Not a deal breaker but I was a little bit disappointed.
Excellent. I bought watch tools and tried to regulate a watch without a Swan neck. Watch ended up in the trash. Not worth a repair bill. Plus Minus Plus Minus Broke it! Can a regular person adjust the screw with just a watchmaker screwdriver or am I likely to break that as well? Thanks for your good video and any answer.
It is worth having. Otherwise, you risk slipping the screwdriver and ruining the hairspring, and It is also very difficult to get the optimum accuracy adjustment.
The best is the free sprung !
You explained this like a champ, however, is the Sea-gull movement accurate enough to justify a swan neck regulator?
Is an aftermarket swan neck regulator available for the ST1901/ST19 & if so, what might it cost & can it be installed by a good watch repair person?
Thanks you 👏👏👏
Thank you! It looks like in the video the swan neck screw is already screw in the furthest and thus cannot regulate the hairspring any slower? One of the watches I got have the same issue as the regulator screw is already in the furthest (as slow as possible) but it still runs about 8-10s fast a day (pretty consistently), it is acceptable but it would be nice if the screw is a bit longer and can further adjust the hairspring slower by another 5s a day or so
Mark thank you! When was this swan tool introduced?
Great question. I don't know! Long ago I assume.
I had to look it up, the US patent is from 1867. They were originally referred to as Reed's whiplash regulator. The elongated piece it is was moving was called a Bosley regulator at the time.
Good to know. Clear explanation. But which are the watches I'm your website which have this swan neck regulator movement?
Thanks, Marc, be been wondering how that works.
Thanks for watching.
It doesn't seem particularly hard to modify basically any watch to fit a swan neck regulator.
Can you install a swan's neck regulator on any watch? Or it's not something you can buy and install?
Pretty much, yes.
@@islandwatch will you be offering swan neck regulator installation as an option?
Great info
Nice Marc.
From Korea 🇰🇷
Where do u get ur screwdrivers??? Also I could have sworn my swans neck was threaded backwards
Love the way you break things down. Good video.
Thanks.
Thing I learned today thank you Mark!
TIL, thank you!
Excellent lesson! Thank you for that!
Welcome.
It can be tough to get the screw to move clockwise because you are pushing against the spring.
Neato!
I just ordered the SeaGull with SwanNeck ...
Love the Orient brand. Best deal in the watch industry IMO.
Great video thank you Marc!
Thanks.
Good stuff but it could have been in Latin for all I could comprehend!
I am getting one without the gooseneck thingy. It’s more authentic to the first release version.
Wow its so amazing work bro thank you so much for video..
Dude, awesome explanation, many thanks
I learnt something new, thanks. Well made video.
Interesting and I did enjoyed it!!
Great, thank you!
Extremely helpful. Thanks.
Always wondered why all watches don't have this.
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