One thing I often enjoyed about Keaton and Conroy as Batman: they didn't alter their voices much between the civilian and the vigilante identity. Mostly consistent changes to inflections and tone. And they both pulled it off masterfully 👍
@@FelixDeluna he didn’t say “unaltered”, he said “they didn’t alter their voices MUCH”. That acknowledges alteration, but clearly not to the extent we saw in TDK.
nobody gonna mention pattinsons batman? he's the best live action batman we got if we are being honest, matt reeves movie/universe just feels like a dark graphic detective batman novel or the animated series brought to life
@@brandocalrissian3294 man i wouldnt give a damn about real life shit...keatons my fav batman,batfleck is my second and i like ezras flash. His suits dope,hes awkward funny like cartoon flash,its awesome. And guess what,i still listen to r kelly.
Also, Sean Connery wasn't considered a suitable choice for Ian Fleming's superspy, coz Fleming wanted someone like James Mason or Cary Grant. But Connery's casting was finalised nevertheless. Rest as the cliche goes...is history.
Imagine Keaton’s Batman freaking out on a criminal “WHERE’S THE TRIGGER?!?! WHERE IS IT?!?! YOU’D NEVER GIVE IT TO AN ORDINARY CITIZEN!!!!” Nah, he’d just stay cool and collected and calmly ask “Where’s the trigger?” And if you didn’t give him what he wanted, you knew your ass was screwed. That in control and calm demeanor is far more intimidating imo, which is why Keaton’s Batman is still my favorite live-action portrayal. His Bruce Wayne on the other hand… “YOU WANNA GET NUTS?!?!” is oddly the polar opposite for some reason. Haha
The biggest reason Keaton is the best Batman is because at the end of the day Batman is crazy. Not tongue in cheek (Kilmer, Clooney, West) crazy but seriously crazy. Bale and Affleck don't play crazy at all, but Keaton does despite it not being overt. That's why Keaton is so believable as Batman. He's believably crazy.
Actually, Kilmer is dark, because in Batman Forever, it had a good balance of bright and dark, and it's both more like a living comic book on screen and had a darker edge to Batman. And Akiva Goldsman had seen a workprint of Batman Forever called "Preview Cut One", which is dark and psychological that had a character arc of Bruce/Batman and what makes him tick. Kevin Smith, Joe Black, and the Epic Film Guys podcast had seen it too, and I agree with Ben Wan (The Man Who Knows Too Much About Batman) of Superhero Stuff You Should Know that Val has the better characterization.
The response to Michael Keaton, being announced as Batman, back in the day, was the same as the announcement of Heath Ledger playing the joker, it’s like identical in the way it played out, I was seven or eight when Batman 89 came out, so obviously, I was too young to get triggered by who was playing him, but I know the backlash was strong, especially in a non-Internet age, I heard they were getting like tons of letters
It's always like that for DC characters. Fans always whine and whine until after they see the movie. Can't wait for the DCU to start announcing casting roles. Just watch the fans freak out over everything.
Keaton is my favorite because his Batman had intellectual self control. Always kept his cool, calmly analyzing every situation. Didn't need to yell and force himself to be intimidating. He just was without even trying, cause he had the natural confidence.
Cool video and I so agree with so many points you make. In fact, my all-time favorite scene of Bruce Wayne, much less Keaton playing him, is when Vicky is in the cave, and has her back turned to him, he's saying it's something he has to do, etc., and just look at his face...he IS Batman right there, without the cowl, and Vicky doesn't see it but we do! It's almost creepy. His eyes are in shadow like the mask, and he looks primal. An awesome performance that will always be my favorite Batman/Bruce Wayne on Film!
Kevin Conroy is the only guy who played Batman who understood why Michael Keaton as Batman worked. Kevjn Conroy took what worked with Keaton and turned it into a masterclass role, fulfilling its potential.
Sure, Conroy did a great job displaying physique and physical mannerism. Oh wait. He's just a cartoon's voice. Conroy was given the job often enough that he became the guy who voiced Batman for the sake of continuity. That's all. He was not Batman on the same level as actors like West, Keaton, Bale, Affleck, and Patterson who actually presented Batman.
@@MSgt_0699 Thank you. Can’t stand the hype these conroy fans have, as if conroy actually acted as batman LIVE, which he didn’t. These kids need to grow up. Conroy, no matter if he was dead or still alive, will always be just a another voice which many can be substituted with. The people wouldn’t even notice.
Brilliant video. Michael Keaton IS THE BATMAN Just like there's many different versions of JAMES BOND & everybody has their favourite, but Sean Connery is still the No.1 Bond & he set the standard for the character for others to follow. The same applies to Batman, Michael Keaton IS THEE No 1 Batman, hands down!!😊😊
For me, Michael Keaton is the number one Batman, with Val Kilmer as the number two Batman, and George Clooney is the number three Batman. That's what Tim Burton and his friend Joel Schumacher wanted.
Michael Keaton is my Batman. He simply nailed the rage and determination of the character when he puts on the cowl. No other Batman is as menacing. I love his cold stare, his little smile when he gets his hands on a criminal, and the utter confidence he portrays. He never looks sideways at criminals or at the ground. He is coming for them. Even if he followed the no kill rule, his presence would still be the most intimidating of anyone who has portrayed Batman. I really like his Bruce Wayne too, but it's his Batman that stands out for me.
Give Michael Keaton every piece of real Batman gear you can find, and I'll BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIS 5'6" GIRL FRAME BLINDFOLDED! He's a wimpy who never should have been allowed to play the most dangerous man on earth.
Agreed, although, I think the no-kill rule is stupid anyways as it makes Batman less threatening than a traffic cop who, however unlikely, may shoot you in a traffic stop. Although some will cite the Hayes Codes as the reason for the no-kill rule, the real reason had to do with Bob Cane wanting to recycle villains and not wanting to pay writers more $.
@@seppukusushi2848 I agree, the no kill rule is taken to silly extremes. Given how many times Batman takes Joker to Arkham, to have him escape and cause more mayhem, well there would be more innocent people alive in Gotham if Batman just dropped him off a cathedral. I do appreciate the value of a good villain and Batman has some iconic ones. But I don’t mind seeing Batman kill as long as he doesn’t become the Punisher. He carried a gun and smoked a number of crooks in the early comics.
Keaton is an outstanding talent. There is a film he did... Where he played a psychotic stalker... His facial expressions are just so on spot... He truly looks deranged and evil in the film. And it's all acting.
It never bothered me that the Keaton Batman killed, it bothered me more that there was no 3rd movie with him. First, I see him more as a kind of Flashpoint Batman anyway and also, we see some character development in the 2 movies but it would have needed a 3rd movie to be completed. I think it makes perfect sense in the context of the movies. He witnessed Napier killing his parents, he suffered a trauma and seeks revenge. He doesn't get the satisfacton from that revenge that he hoped to get. At the end of the 2nd movie, he tries to save Selina from following the same path, suggesting they should hand Shreck over to the police. And this change of character is made even more clear in the 3rd movie whe he lectures Robin about his own path of revenge that lead to nothing. As this is supposed to be the same Batman, I think you can see this as a continuation of the character arc. But of course, with different actors, styles and filmmakers, this doesn't become as clear as it could have been. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it and there's absolutely nothing to it. But even if so, as the "no kill" rule doesn't apply to every Batman, I can still live with it.
Hopefully Gunn will realize that from the fan reaction to the flash film…he will get a 3rd film hopefully with Tim burton let them finish their vision together!
YES, I literally wrote an expose about this very thing; you'll actually notice in Batman 89 that he doesn't kill anyone until he figures out that Joker was the one that killed his parents, THEN he goes off the deep end and starts killing people wholesale which carries into Returns until he sees his reflection in cat woman but its too late by that point to save her so he sees it again in Robin and give him that speech about revenge becoming your whole life and you won't know why which lines up perfectly with the arc that was laid out in the Burton films. Im glad im not the only one that noticed this!
Michael Keaton is and still will be the definitive modern movie Batman. And not just as Batman, but as Bruce Wayne as well. Pretty much showing both of the strengths and flaws of both the Billionaire Playboy and the Caped Crusader through Keatons performance. I'm very excited to see Keaton as Batman again in The Flash. And a Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman vid in the future? Yes, please!
I strongly disagree. Keaton batman is a murdering psycho. People cry about Affleck killing, Keaton kills and smiles. Oh, and his "fight" scenes are preposterous.
What? Keaton is the most wimpy wimpy WIMPY PENCIL NECK ROPE ARM WIMPS, and has no business wearing a super hero costume. And Bruce Wayne is supposed to be one of the most deadly people on earth. You think Keaton conveys that?
I remember seeing Batman in the theater in 89. Loved it. Michael Keaton is Batman and will always will be. Perfect balance Keaton had and just all around a great actor. Also so excited that Keaton will be Beetlejuice again.
I love this video. Michael Keaton is my first Batman. I was five when it first came out and the first time I saw Batman was in the 1970's Scooby Doo crossover with Batman and Robin, The Joker and Penguin was the main villains. When Batman 1989 came out my aunt took me to see it cause I knew Michael Keaton from Beetlejuice. I wasn't expecting to see him from the blue and gray costume to all black. Everything is perfect. GOTHAM CITY, THE BATCAVE, THE BATMOBILE, and THE BATPLANE was so awesome and everyone after Keaton Batcave, Batmobile and Batplane didn't have the OMG it's so cool. Let's thank Sam Hamm, Warren Skaaren, Daniel Waters and Wesley Strick the best screenplay writers for both original and final drafts of 2 Tim Burton films. Sam went with more of the comics while the others added in there own take of what Tim Burton wanted and still making it lovable to watch and remember.
I watch Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney playing Batman in all four films, and directors Tim Burton and his friend Joel Schumacher made Batman dark and light, with the help from Sam Hamm, Warren Skaaren, Daniel Waters, Wesley Strick, Lee and Janet Scott Batchler, and Akiva Goldsman when they add themes of pain, revenge, duality, and loss.
I agree with you on every account Michael Keaton's portrayal of Batman was mythical and mystic but he also had a certain darkness about him Michael Keaton/ Batman is the G.O.A.T of all the Batmen.
This video sums it all, you nailed it. With or without mask Keatons serious look screams Batman. He is my fave and allways will be my favourite and unrepleacable Batman. Im glad Im born in 1985 so with 4 years watched the 1st Batman and in 92 Batman Returns @ the cinema. Later bought the movies on VHS, DVD & Blu-Ray. To this day I love to watch them and I wondering how Batman Continues would be if they let Tim Burton to do it.
I think the reason why some cinematic interpretations of Batman sometimes kill is the writers and producers attempting to put a real-world grit into the character because let's face it a lot of Batman's villains are normally too dangerous to be left alive.
Deleted my original comment. Let's try this again. I disagree with the whole "too dangerous to be left alive" excuse, is one of the few things I like about Batman. Because at the risk of playing a slippery slope fallacy card, that really IS a slippery slope. Batman is not Judge Dredd, he doesn't get to play judge, jury and executioner and he knows it. The problem isn't that Batman isn't willing to kill, it's the fact Gotham is corrupt to its very core, and that corruption allows for a revolving door policy at Arkham. It's that most of his villains aren't being given their day in court because Gotham's idea of what mental illness is hasn't progressed past the 1960's. By today's standards, most of his villains would not be declared mentally incapable of standing trial for their crimes (including the Joker).
Yeah, but Batman’s mercy is his greatest quality, we like a Batman, who won’t give up on anyone, and yes, it may lead to further risk, but maybe Bruce should put some money into Arkham because they just be walking in and out of that place I guess a revolving door…. But you gotta keep the stories going, and that’s the only way, but nobody wants a killing Batman
@@vladimirabreu6848they took a huge risk making this movie. Because at the time they were use to “goofy Adam West Batman.” They couldn’t see Batman as dark and serious but when Beetlejuice was released the previous year which was also directed by Tim Burton and since it was a huge hit they gave Tim Burton the green light to do Batman
@@Axetwin I agree with that to a degree. But the too dangerous to be left alive definitely rings true when they break out of the most secure criminally insane hospital around on a yearly if not monthly basis. At that point they are a menace and he is not helping by repeating the same over and over. That’s the definition of insanity of which despite what some believe Batman is not. Some villains do not need to be put down, yes, but after the 5th or 6th time of mass genocide I think it’s justified.
Well put. Even if Batman Returns is more of a Tim Burton movie than a Batman movie, Keaton still shines through when he's on screen. That's the one thing giving me a little bit of hope for The Flash movie because my skepticism tells me that he was being brought in just to get fans in the seats, but I'm willing to give it a chance. Look forward to the Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman video.
Actually, Batman Returns was more of a Tim Burton that happens to have Batman in it. He was more interested in the villains than Bruce. Tim's Batman 89, Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, and Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises were more on Bruce and more like the comic books, because Joel and Chris were fans of Batman, and they went back to the source material, and so as Jack Nicholson, Tommy Lee Jones, David S. Goyer, Sam Hamm, Warren Skaaren, the Batchlers, Akiva Goldsman, and many others.
@evanzaremba4722 that's essentially what I was saying. I'm not sure if Chris Nolan is really much of a fan of Batman so much as some of the Batman stories, like the Long Halloween
@@AceLM92 Warner Bros. did had a continuation of the Tim Burton films with Joel's take on Batman, despite the retconned Batman 89 comic and The Flash movie. With Batman Forever, it had a good balance of bright and dark in the theatrical version and had a dark and psychological arc in the Schumacher Cut. No offense, I like both Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face and Jim Carrey as The Riddler. Besides, both Batman Returns and Batman & Robin had their moments because of fucking McDonalds, but Michelle Pfeiffer is an awesome Catwoman and Alicia Silverstone is a good Batgirl. If Tim and Joel would do another Batman after Batman Forever, then they would have Johnny Depp as The Scarecrow, but Tim had other projects in the works, but for me, Arnold Schwarzenegger is the best Mr. Freeze, don't get me wrong. Everybody has a take. Besides, Daniel Waters made fun of Taco Bell in Demolition Man with Wesley Snipes. No offense, I love both dark and light. I really do. But like I said, everybody has a take. If you're a film director, screenwriter, and comic book writer, you got to have a take.
No. Michael Keaton, because if he could have voiced batman cartoons, he would have nailed it ! “But if you wanna get nuts !!!? Come on !!! Let’s get nuts !”
I always liken keatons Batman to Nosferatu or even Bella Lugosi as Dracula. The stiffness of the suit gave Keaton an almost stage like horror show presence which adds more to his intimidating stance.
Yep. The Burton films were absolutely steeped in classic horror. Keaton having those Dracula vibes is no accident. It's fitting, too, because Bob Kane once described Batman as Zorro meets Dracula.
Keaton’s Batman voice will never be topped. It was so good that even a talented actor like Val Kilmer chose to study it for Batman Forever to try and match the cadence.
@@you-5-iver804 well batman 89 was frist before Kevin conroy become voice of batman September 5, 1992, to September 15, 1995 that Kevin conroy keaton was first being batman.
I enjoyed this video and I agree with you Michael Keaton opened the door any actor to play a superhero without him they're wouldn't be the countless Spiderman,RDJ Iron Man, Tchalla, Blade, and the entire main universe of DC and Marvel.
His performance as Batman was good, but really he’s way too short to play Batman. Keaton is only 5’9” and Batman is supposed to be 6’2”. He’s far from perfect.
I remember being a kid, and not liking it when I heard Michael Keaton would be the next Batman, and even movie magazines like Starlog were saying Michael Keaton was the wrong choice. I felt the same for a while, but after I saw Keaton in the trailer for 89 Batman, I knew he was going to kick ass. A lot of people don't know it, but the public hype and anticipation for 89 Batman was unreal at the time. More so than any other super hero movie since in my opinion.
You had to be over 5 years old to remember Batman in 1989 what a pop culture event it was, no matter where you go, you saw someone with a golden Batman logo t-shirt. And it played in the theaters for a long time and had lots of movie tie in products. I remember that time vividly and no movie since then has come close to the Batman fever of 1989.
He's the best... He is Batman... he will always be Batman. No one will come close. ♥️ Same for Christopher Reeve as Superman... he will never be beaten in that role 💙
It took me years to understand the whole “hanging upside down” scene, but I finally get it. This Bruce has a girl actually staying overnight with him, probably for the first time ever (and I mean staying in his home, not sex), and he cannot sleep because he’s spent months or even years staying up all night as Batman. So he basically works out since he can’t sleep. The next time we see Bruce, he’s passed out on a couch and Vicky is all wide awake because unlike him, she has a normal sleep cycle.
I think the outrage is way overstated. Yes, some fans wrote letters, etc., but it wasn't an onslaught from millions up-in-arms, just a few vocal weirdos.
I watched the movie yesterday and believe me i was waiting for your take on Michael Keaton as Batman. I love his Batman, is the only one who can smile and everyone feels TERRIFIED!
Keaton is based on Golden Age Batman from Kane's Era. Kimler is the 50s Batman, Clooney the 60s Camp. Bale the 70s Neal Adam's. BatFleck is Frank Miller Batman and Pattinson would be 90s Batman. The next Batman will be following the Morrison Run of the Character. The reason Batman killed in Burton's Universe is they were using the 40s Comics for inspiration and Bruce killed in those. Kane also was a consultant on the set of the 89 film. I'm personally not a fan of the Golden Age Batman comics, because He killed a lot. Even when Robin entered the picture, but not as much. I also don't like how Synder used Keaton as an example to have Ben' s Batman kill and justify that. But Keaton will always be the foundation of what live action Batmen build off of. The actor who transformed People's memories from TV Camp to Dark Knight.
My guy....you are spot on!!....you couldn't have said it any better about the magic that was produced In these 2 parts...and yes!..they ALL laid down the groundwork for what came after!!😏😉good job!
I was never a fan because I hated him in the costume, he just doesn't have the look but I love how he loves his history of being Batman. He doesn't shy away from the prestige of getting to play one of the most popular comic book characters of all time. I watched the flash movie tonight and you can see in his eyes he loves wearing the suit. Christian Bale on the other hand has basically all but disowned the character.
@@kevindsmith10000 bruh Keaton literally when batgirl got cancelled couldn't care less and alluded to he did it for paycheck, even on Kimmel he said similar thing 🤣 he has the worst Bruce Wayne out of any actor his batman is decent TBF just nowhere near how people make him out to be, people always talk about nostalgia not the actual way the character is donw
My grandmother took me to see this in theaters when I was 8. Greatest experience ever I’ll never forget it. I still have my toys and trading cards from then.
Keaton was the only Batman ever who has been able to pull off a smile with the Cowell on and make it work and somehow even the mask matched his eyebrows, and his Bruce Wayne was great also
The phrase, "Whut? Mr Mom?" still echos down the years. He's the most important Batman. Can't forget the importance of Director and design and music to evoke the character though. I loved Pattinson/Reeves take, but Keaton will always be my Batman
I'd like a short horror film from a criminals perspective with a batman that's legitimately terrifying & enemies are actually seen bloodied to a pulp with a beating heart. Barely show batman, just show the damage behind the strength we've seen on screen. A more terrifying looking suit would be great too.
All versions of Batman that we know of today are a result of Keaton's Batman . . . . Without Keaton, all we would have is the Campy(West) or Super Friends version. Thank You Michael. 👊😉
He's definitely the most iconic. Every Batman actor since Keaton will always be judged with his performance as the benchmark. I personally prefer Bale but Keaton was incredible in the role. That was the first summer blockbuster of its type and he did an amazing job
Bale was not great. His voice and mask did not fit. Did a great Bruce Wayne but his Batman is pretty bad. Affleck could have been a perfect Batman if Snyder didn't ruin it. Pattinson, Kilmer and Keaton are all great imo
Batman 1989 No Kill Rule Batman (1989): - Jack Napier: Batman tried to save him but he slipped and fell into the vat of chemicals. - Goon at Axis Chemicals: Batman went through the trouble of catching him with his bat-rope and tying him on a rail to prevent him from falling. - Blowing up Axis Chemicals The goons followed him into the factory, he didn’t go out of his way to kill them. Second of all he was controlling the car by remote control so we don’t know how limited his view of what was around him was. Thirdly the explosion took time to fully destroy the building and the bat mobile made it out completely unharmed with those two in mind it is possible that the goons could’ve made it out or survived. We don’t know how many henchmen were at the factory if there were any inside or just outside guarding the place. - Firing at goons on parade floatation If you look closely you can see the missiles/bullets hitting below the goons feet or their feet, or behind them, nowhere lethal. - Attempting to shoot the Joker I have to believe it was a warning shot of some kind because you cannot tell me that Batman, the world’s greatest detective, can miss a target with that much ammo that close. - Pulling goon off bell tower This was a definite kill but one that was a life or death situation. Batman was hanging from a ledge and had to deal with several pounds of rubber/Kevlar suit; he couldn’t simply try getting back up otherwise that henchman would’ve just knocked him back down, so he either let himself fall, try to get up without taking down the goon and then get knocked back down and either fall or catch the ledge again, or grab the goon with his legs in order to pull him down securing his way onto the platform. Also once again Batman didn’t go out of his way to put himself in a situation that called for killing someone. - Attaching gargoyle to the Joker There are several ways the Joker could’ve survived this; could’ve let go of the latter and end up in a position like “The Dark Knight” Joker, cut the rope with something allowing himself to continue climbing free of the gargoyle, ordered his pilot to bring the copter to the roof so he could untie it. Batman Returns: - Setting goon on fire with bat mobile Goon could easily have put the fire out with the cold snow and do drop and roll. - Putting bomb on Penguin goon According to Tim Burton this didn’t kill him. So it’s possible Batman knew it wasn’t lethal and would just cause serious injury at worst. This one is the hardest to defend/explain away. You could argue self-defense as Batman has a no killing in cold blood rule, but that’s stretching it. - The Penguin Batman had nothing to do with his death; the Penguin pressed the button that launched the missiles and then fell through a window after freaking out over a swarm of bats surrounding him. We even see Batman go towards where the Penguin fell to try and check on what happened to him. - Attempted to arrest Max Shreck Finally Batman intended on arresting Shreck and sending him to prison. Conclusion: Tim Burton’s Batman does have a no kill rule, it’s definitely not as strict as most versions of the character but it’s definitely there. Compare that to Ben Affleck’s Batman who rammed into vehicles full of henchmen and goons, shooting and blowing up vehicles, towing a truck and slamming it into another vehicle, branding criminals like some kind of slave trader, bashing a guy’s head in with a crate, snapping someone’s neck by bashing their head into the hard wooden floor. Most of Keaton’s Batman kills were merely incidental or in the spur of the moment, he never went out of his way to inflict death, assuming you ignore the points above.
I think what sets Keaton's Batman apart from other versions is that he effortlessly portrays the inner trauma that is key to the character. Whether he's in the suit fighting bad guys or flirting with Vicki Vale, there's a sadness in his eyes and a feeling that this is a deeply wounded person who is fighting really hard to keep that from bursting out. Also, look at his face in the scene where he's leaving flowers at the scene of his parent's deaths, it's actually heartbreaking how much pain and grief he's able to convey in that moment.
Batman doesn't kill, anymore. He refrained from killing but it does happen. However, the Batman Returns story arc is the hard stance moment as he literally sees a parallel in Catwoman and crossing that with how little closer Joker's death gave him (as Joker killed his parents in this version), he knows he can't just go on killing sprees. Catwoman's situation solidified the no kill mentality.
In Batman Forever, Bruce knows that Dick wants to take a life, only just Two-Face, and Bruce told Dick the "revenge has become your whole life" line. That's a great scene when Joel did with Val and Chris.
Michael Keaton is my batman. I was 11 when it came out on my birthday but I also like the other batman too in there own way just saw the flash loved seeing Michael Keaton back in the cape again
👀 This was, by far, the BEST expression of Keaton’s Batman I’ve ever seen / heard. Keaton is DEFINITELY my Batman & will always be. Batman ‘89 will never be duplicated-thanks for uploading this video!
Comedian actors and directors are very good at doing serious roles and movies it's a great combination like PB and J also it's just like that with horror movie directors go very well with Superhero movies it's very interesting
I think that Batman's no kill rule (especially in the comics) is in place Majorly because Batman is already a very dark character and it would just be too much for the general public if he killed. Say for instance, Superman in the movies and even in the comics has killed several times. But the fact that he's a much, much, sunnier character forgives that. If Batman did it, it would hard for alot of people to condone his already very dark method of crime-fighting. The reason why he is the most strict about not killing more than any other superhero, is because he is already very dark and grim.
Bruce has this rule because he is every bit as insane as his villains and knows that if he crossed that line he would never stop and become 100% the very thing that he has dedicated his life to fighting against. He watched his parents lives taken. Why would he want to be on the other side of that preverbial trigger? Good take though and im sure that is somewhat the reasoning from a cultural and society standpoint.
I’m a Bale fanboy- but Not even Christian Bale can look menacing as Keaton. Keaton’s Batman is the only one that can pull off a smile and you’ll shit bricks cause you know you’re f*cked.
I feel like Burton's Batman is a fully Freudian nightmare: parental issues, sexual fixations, some psychosis in the mix, amidst a man's battle for his soul without redemption (and heavily influenced by the 40s Batman). Nolan's is a Jungian Batman: persona, self and shadow on full gear, a man trying to heal himself in the process, rediscovering his anima (Catwoman), and finding his happiness and peace of mind (with heavy inspirations of the 90s Batman comic books). Both are strong storytelling and character exploration.
As someone who saw Batman as a child, Keaton's portrayal of Batman definitely got that nostalgia working in his favor going into this week's The Flash. But after growing up and rewatching both Batman and Batman Returns, it doesn't hold well over time. I won't even bother with Kilmer and Clooney. Affleck gets some points for the warehouse fight in BvS but nothing much else. The Keaton fight choreography isn't at the level of Jason Bourne or John Wick, and it's only redeeming quality is the Batmobile. The actor that nailed the part of both Batman and the mask of Bruce Wayne was Christian Bale in Nolan's The Dark Knight trilogy. And just when I thought it couldn't be made better, Robert Pattison put the Batman in the comics on the big screen from the way he talks and moves, and Gotham City wasn't just a Chicago or New York City copy...it felt real.
Michael Keaton will always be my favorite big screen Batman!! He is to me what Christopher Reeve was to the big screen Superman. And I loved watching Keaton's Batman contending with the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman. What bums me out is that Keaton's Batman never got to contend with Two Face and the Riddler or acquire Robin for his partner. Even though Batman Forever gave us those three characters, it was unfortunate that Joel Schumacher took the Batman franchise in a different direction that made Keaton bow out. While Michael Keaton is my favorite big screen Batman, I am also a fan of Robin as well. (Dick Grayson only). I not only grew up with the Batman 66 TV show reruns, but also the 2 Filmation Batman cartoons and the SuperFriends. I had the Batman Power Records and I loved the 70's Batman comics where he mostly worked alone, but Dick Grayson was attending college but would on occasion return to Gotham and work with Batman on occasion and this was when Robin was The Teen Wonder. I know Batman The Animated Series based a lot of their storylines off of this time period of the comics. Anyway, Chris O Donnell is my favorite big screen Robin, though technically, he's the only one. But Chris is really the only thing I liked about the Schumacher Batman films. If it had been up to me, I would have had his Robin in the Keaton Batman movies and I would have kept the tone dark in the Tim Burton style. I would have had a passage of time between the murder of the Flying Graysons and Bruce Wayne taking the orphaned Dick Grayson in and training him. That way, there would have been a child actor as young Dick and then later, Chris O Donnell as Dick Grayson as a college age teen. And for the Flash movie, I would have had it mentioned that when Dick became a man, he realized that he and Bruce were really different, which led to a falling out. Dick Grayson eventually left Gotham, became Nightwing and would establish himself as the protector of Bludhaven, but he and Bruce never spoke again. Although Robin was not in the Keaton Batman movies, the potential was there since there were attempts made to write him in to both movies, before he was cut from them. I really don't know if I could have ever accepted the Drake Winston version of Robin that Marlon Wayans was set to play, but I personally think that Chris O Donnell could have existed in Keaton's Batman films. The only change I would make with the Robin costume from Batman Forever would be no damned nipples. Whenever I watch Batman The Animated Series and mentally picture the episodes in live action form, I only see Michael Keaton's Batman and Chris O Donnell's Robin whenever he guest appeared. I have never visualized Val Kilmer or George Clooney as live action versions of the animated Batman. Just Keaton all the way, even after the characters were all revamped for the New Batman Adventures episodes in 1997. And I could have eventually seen Keaton's Bruce Wayne eventually running Wayne Enterprises and developing a public image so nobody would suspect him being Batman. It's too bad that Tim Burton was a Robin hater, just like Christian Bale. But that's my two Bat Cents worth.
One thing I often enjoyed about Keaton and Conroy as Batman: they didn't alter their voices much between the civilian and the vigilante identity. Mostly consistent changes to inflections and tone. And they both pulled it off masterfully 👍
Yeah, Bale definitely over cooked it on the Batman side…..
Kevin dropped his voice close to if not a full octave. Not sure I would call that unaltered.
@@FelixDeluna he didn’t say “unaltered”, he said “they didn’t alter their voices MUCH”. That acknowledges alteration, but clearly not to the extent we saw in TDK.
nobody gonna mention pattinsons batman? he's the best live action batman we got if we are being honest, matt reeves movie/universe just feels like a dark graphic detective batman novel or the animated series brought to life
@@jeremysiron9622 affleck sounded like a broken robot he was the worst Batman I ever seen
Michael Keaton is my favorite Batman of all time and I'm excited for The Flash next weekend.
Yeah I agree
Me too but I also love all the other Batmans except for Clooney we don't talk about Clooney
Hopefully it's mostly Keaton and as little of Ezra Miller as possible.
Agreed
@@brandocalrissian3294 man i wouldnt give a damn about real life shit...keatons my fav batman,batfleck is my second and i like ezras flash. His suits dope,hes awkward funny like cartoon flash,its awesome. And guess what,i still listen to r kelly.
Keaton is my favorite live action Batman, I like how calm and mysterious his Batman is.
He was AMAZING in The Flash!!
The best in that movie by far.
Keaton as Batman is like Sean Connery for Bond = nostalgia and love
Can't deny that Sean Connery humanized James Bond. Not Roger Moore or Timothy Dalton or even Daniel Craig
Couldn't agree more. Sir Sean Connery=James Bond and Michael Keaton=Batman is just inseparable, simply flawless and the best of all-time.
Also, Sean Connery wasn't considered a suitable choice for Ian Fleming's superspy, coz Fleming wanted someone like James Mason or Cary Grant.
But Connery's casting was finalised nevertheless. Rest as the cliche goes...is history.
Throw in Peter Weller as Alex Murphy and I'd buy that for a dollar!
Aside from bombing careers and having... Interesting views on women.
Michael Keaton will always be Batman.
Amen brother!
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Three words: beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice.
100% my friend.
Imagine Keaton’s Batman freaking out on a criminal “WHERE’S THE TRIGGER?!?! WHERE IS IT?!?! YOU’D NEVER GIVE IT TO AN ORDINARY CITIZEN!!!!” Nah, he’d just stay cool and collected and calmly ask “Where’s the trigger?” And if you didn’t give him what he wanted, you knew your ass was screwed. That in control and calm demeanor is far more intimidating imo, which is why Keaton’s Batman is still my favorite live-action portrayal.
His Bruce Wayne on the other hand… “YOU WANNA GET NUTS?!?!” is oddly the polar opposite for some reason. Haha
The biggest reason Keaton is the best Batman is because at the end of the day Batman is crazy. Not tongue in cheek (Kilmer, Clooney, West) crazy but seriously crazy. Bale and Affleck don't play crazy at all, but Keaton does despite it not being overt. That's why Keaton is so believable as Batman. He's believably crazy.
Agreed. However i feel like Ben did indeed play him insane in his own way at least in BvsS. But yeah love Keaton even though Bale is my fav.
Actually, Kilmer is dark, because in Batman Forever, it had a good balance of bright and dark, and it's both more like a living comic book on screen and had a darker edge to Batman. And Akiva Goldsman had seen a workprint of Batman Forever called "Preview Cut One", which is dark and psychological that had a character arc of Bruce/Batman and what makes him tick. Kevin Smith, Joe Black, and the Epic Film Guys podcast had seen it too, and I agree with Ben Wan (The Man Who Knows Too Much About Batman) of Superhero Stuff You Should Know that Val has the better characterization.
@@justinrisen1929 I like Val the best, because he made the more definitive Batman and the more conflicted Bruce Wayne.
@@evanzaremba4722Val Kilmer could’ve been the greatest Batman. He should’ve got a better script and movie.
@@Skyx5m50 oh boy!
The response to Michael Keaton, being announced as Batman, back in the day, was the same as the announcement of Heath Ledger playing the joker, it’s like identical in the way it played out, I was seven or eight when Batman 89 came out, so obviously, I was too young to get triggered by who was playing him, but I know the backlash was strong, especially in a non-Internet age, I heard they were getting like tons of letters
It's always like that for DC characters. Fans always whine and whine until after they see the movie. Can't wait for the DCU to start announcing casting roles. Just watch the fans freak out over everything.
Keaton is my favorite because his Batman had intellectual self control. Always kept his cool, calmly analyzing every situation. Didn't need to yell and force himself to be intimidating. He just was without even trying, cause he had the natural confidence.
I bumped fleetingly into Mr Douglas one very early morning at LAX around 8 years ago - and he was an absolute delight.
Cool video and I so agree with so many points you make. In fact, my all-time favorite scene of Bruce Wayne, much less Keaton playing him, is when Vicky is in the cave, and has her back turned to him, he's saying it's something he has to do, etc., and just look at his face...he IS Batman right there, without the cowl, and Vicky doesn't see it but we do! It's almost creepy. His eyes are in shadow like the mask, and he looks primal. An awesome performance that will always be my favorite Batman/Bruce Wayne on Film!
Kevin Conroy is the only guy who played Batman who understood why Michael Keaton as Batman worked. Kevjn Conroy took what worked with Keaton and turned it into a masterclass role, fulfilling its potential.
Sure, Conroy did a great job displaying physique and physical mannerism. Oh wait. He's just a cartoon's voice. Conroy was given the job often enough that he became the guy who voiced Batman for the sake of continuity. That's all. He was not Batman on the same level as actors like West, Keaton, Bale, Affleck, and Patterson who actually presented Batman.
@@MSgt_0699 Thank you. Can’t stand the hype these conroy fans have, as if conroy actually acted as batman LIVE, which he didn’t. These kids need to grow up. Conroy, no matter if he was dead or still alive, will always be just a another voice which many can be substituted with. The people wouldn’t even notice.
@@perfectsoulmates2023Kevin Conroy actually did play a broken version of Bruce Wayne in one episode in the crisis of earths from cw
@@Artistjames2330 Cool, thanks for that bit of information. I’m glad he had the chance to 👍🏼
@@perfectsoulmates2023 no problem 👍
Brilliant video. Michael Keaton IS THE BATMAN Just like there's many different versions of JAMES BOND & everybody has their favourite, but Sean Connery is still the No.1 Bond & he set the standard for the character for others to follow. The same applies to Batman, Michael Keaton IS THEE No 1 Batman, hands down!!😊😊
For me, Michael Keaton is the number one Batman, with Val Kilmer as the number two Batman, and George Clooney is the number three Batman. That's what Tim Burton and his friend Joel Schumacher wanted.
Michael Keaton is my Batman. He simply nailed the rage and determination of the character when he puts on the cowl. No other Batman is as menacing. I love his cold stare, his little smile when he gets his hands on a criminal, and the utter confidence he portrays. He never looks sideways at criminals or at the ground. He is coming for them. Even if he followed the no kill rule, his presence would still be the most intimidating of anyone who has portrayed Batman. I really like his Bruce Wayne too, but it's his Batman that stands out for me.
Give Michael Keaton every piece of real Batman gear you can find, and I'll BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIS 5'6" GIRL FRAME BLINDFOLDED! He's a wimpy who never should have been allowed to play the most dangerous man on earth.
Agreed, although, I think the no-kill rule is stupid anyways as it makes Batman less threatening than a traffic cop who, however unlikely, may shoot you in a traffic stop. Although some will cite the Hayes Codes as the reason for the no-kill rule, the real reason had to do with Bob Cane wanting to recycle villains and not wanting to pay writers more $.
@@seppukusushi2848 I agree, the no kill rule is taken to silly extremes. Given how many times Batman takes Joker to Arkham, to have him escape and cause more mayhem, well there would be more innocent people alive in Gotham if Batman just dropped him off a cathedral. I do appreciate the value of a good villain and Batman has some iconic ones. But I don’t mind seeing Batman kill as long as he doesn’t become the Punisher. He carried a gun and smoked a number of crooks in the early comics.
Keaton is an outstanding talent.
There is a film he did... Where he played a psychotic stalker... His facial expressions are just so on spot... He truly looks deranged and evil in the film. And it's all acting.
When ever I read a Batman comic book
It's Michael Keaton Batman I see in my head
Imo I see Kevin batman
@@juniorsigala5028 Well that's you 🙄
It never bothered me that the Keaton Batman killed, it bothered me more that there was no 3rd movie with him. First, I see him more as a kind of Flashpoint Batman anyway and also, we see some character development in the 2 movies but it would have needed a 3rd movie to be completed. I think it makes perfect sense in the context of the movies. He witnessed Napier killing his parents, he suffered a trauma and seeks revenge. He doesn't get the satisfacton from that revenge that he hoped to get. At the end of the 2nd movie, he tries to save Selina from following the same path, suggesting they should hand Shreck over to the police. And this change of character is made even more clear in the 3rd movie whe he lectures Robin about his own path of revenge that lead to nothing. As this is supposed to be the same Batman, I think you can see this as a continuation of the character arc. But of course, with different actors, styles and filmmakers, this doesn't become as clear as it could have been.
Maybe I'm overanalyzing it and there's absolutely nothing to it. But even if so, as the "no kill" rule doesn't apply to every Batman, I can still live with it.
Hopefully Gunn will realize that from the fan reaction to the flash film…he will get a 3rd film hopefully with Tim burton let them finish their vision together!
YES, I literally wrote an expose about this very thing; you'll actually notice in Batman 89 that he doesn't kill anyone until he figures out that Joker was the one that killed his parents, THEN he goes off the deep end and starts killing people wholesale which carries into Returns until he sees his reflection in cat woman but its too late by that point to save her so he sees it again in Robin and give him that speech about revenge becoming your whole life and you won't know why which lines up perfectly with the arc that was laid out in the Burton films. Im glad im not the only one that noticed this!
Michael Keaton is and still will be the definitive modern movie Batman. And not just as Batman, but as Bruce Wayne as well. Pretty much showing both of the strengths and flaws of both the Billionaire Playboy and the Caped Crusader through Keatons performance. I'm very excited to see Keaton as Batman again in The Flash. And a Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman vid in the future? Yes, please!
Agreed, Michael Keaton was the best Batman.
As a kid, I liked Val Kilmer the best but as I got older I changed my opinion.
The Christian guy is more handsome. Keaton is a 5 in gay math.
@@eduardochavacano what???? What the hell are you talking about
I strongly disagree. Keaton batman is a murdering psycho. People cry about Affleck killing, Keaton kills and smiles.
Oh, and his "fight" scenes are preposterous.
What? Keaton is the most wimpy wimpy WIMPY PENCIL NECK ROPE ARM WIMPS, and has no business wearing a super hero costume. And Bruce Wayne is supposed to be one of the most deadly people on earth. You think Keaton conveys that?
I remember seeing Batman in the theater in 89. Loved it. Michael Keaton is Batman and will always will be. Perfect balance Keaton had and just all around a great actor. Also so excited that Keaton will be Beetlejuice again.
Keaton is definitely my Batman, and his latest offering shows he still has it.
He absolutely loves that role. He knows how to accurately portray Batman.
I love this video. Michael Keaton is my first Batman. I was five when it first came out and the first time I saw Batman was in the 1970's Scooby Doo crossover with Batman and Robin, The Joker and Penguin was the main villains. When Batman 1989 came out my aunt took me to see it cause I knew Michael Keaton from Beetlejuice. I wasn't expecting to see him from the blue and gray costume to all black. Everything is perfect. GOTHAM CITY, THE BATCAVE, THE BATMOBILE, and THE BATPLANE was so awesome and everyone after Keaton Batcave, Batmobile and Batplane didn't have the OMG it's so cool. Let's thank Sam Hamm, Warren Skaaren, Daniel Waters and Wesley Strick the best screenplay writers for both original and final drafts of 2 Tim Burton films. Sam went with more of the comics while the others added in there own take of what Tim Burton wanted and still making it lovable to watch and remember.
I watch Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney playing Batman in all four films, and directors Tim Burton and his friend Joel Schumacher made Batman dark and light, with the help from Sam Hamm, Warren Skaaren, Daniel Waters, Wesley Strick, Lee and Janet Scott Batchler, and Akiva Goldsman when they add themes of pain, revenge, duality, and loss.
I agree with you on every account Michael Keaton's portrayal of Batman was mythical and mystic but he also had a certain darkness about him Michael Keaton/ Batman is the G.O.A.T of all the Batmen.
This video sums it all, you nailed it. With or without mask Keatons serious look screams Batman. He is my fave and allways will be my favourite and unrepleacable Batman. Im glad Im born in 1985 so with 4 years watched the 1st Batman and in 92 Batman Returns @ the cinema. Later bought the movies on VHS, DVD & Blu-Ray. To this day I love to watch them and I wondering how Batman Continues would be if they let Tim Burton to do it.
I think the reason why some cinematic interpretations of Batman sometimes kill is the writers and producers attempting to put a real-world grit into the character because let's face it a lot of Batman's villains are normally too dangerous to be left alive.
Deleted my original comment. Let's try this again. I disagree with the whole "too dangerous to be left alive" excuse, is one of the few things I like about Batman. Because at the risk of playing a slippery slope fallacy card, that really IS a slippery slope. Batman is not Judge Dredd, he doesn't get to play judge, jury and executioner and he knows it. The problem isn't that Batman isn't willing to kill, it's the fact Gotham is corrupt to its very core, and that corruption allows for a revolving door policy at Arkham. It's that most of his villains aren't being given their day in court because Gotham's idea of what mental illness is hasn't progressed past the 1960's. By today's standards, most of his villains would not be declared mentally incapable of standing trial for their crimes (including the Joker).
Yeah, but Batman’s mercy is his greatest quality, we like a Batman, who won’t give up on anyone, and yes, it may lead to further risk, but maybe Bruce should put some money into Arkham because they just be walking in and out of that place I guess a revolving door…. But you gotta keep the stories going, and that’s the only way, but nobody wants a killing Batman
Batman did kill in the golden age of comics so maybe Burton interpretation was from those comics
@@vladimirabreu6848they took a huge risk making this movie. Because at the time they were use to “goofy Adam West Batman.” They couldn’t see Batman as dark and serious but when Beetlejuice was released the previous year which was also directed by Tim Burton and since it was a huge hit they gave Tim Burton the green light to do Batman
@@Axetwin I agree with that to a degree. But the too dangerous to be left alive definitely rings true when they break out of the most secure criminally insane hospital around on a yearly if not monthly basis. At that point they are a menace and he is not helping by repeating the same over and over. That’s the definition of insanity of which despite what some believe Batman is not. Some villains do not need to be put down, yes, but after the 5th or 6th time of mass genocide I think it’s justified.
Well put. Even if Batman Returns is more of a Tim Burton movie than a Batman movie, Keaton still shines through when he's on screen. That's the one thing giving me a little bit of hope for The Flash movie because my skepticism tells me that he was being brought in just to get fans in the seats, but I'm willing to give it a chance. Look forward to the Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman video.
Actually, Batman Returns was more of a Tim Burton that happens to have Batman in it. He was more interested in the villains than Bruce. Tim's Batman 89, Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, and Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises were more on Bruce and more like the comic books, because Joel and Chris were fans of Batman, and they went back to the source material, and so as Jack Nicholson, Tommy Lee Jones, David S. Goyer, Sam Hamm, Warren Skaaren, the Batchlers, Akiva Goldsman, and many others.
@evanzaremba4722 that's essentially what I was saying. I'm not sure if Chris Nolan is really much of a fan of Batman so much as some of the Batman stories, like the Long Halloween
@@AceLM92 And Joel was a fan of Batman Year One.
@@evanzaremba4722 I heard about that as well. Interesting to think what he might have given us had the studio not meddled
@@AceLM92 Warner Bros. did had a continuation of the Tim Burton films with Joel's take on Batman, despite the retconned Batman 89 comic and The Flash movie. With Batman Forever, it had a good balance of bright and dark in the theatrical version and had a dark and psychological arc in the Schumacher Cut. No offense, I like both Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face and Jim Carrey as The Riddler.
Besides, both Batman Returns and Batman & Robin had their moments because of fucking McDonalds, but Michelle Pfeiffer is an awesome Catwoman and Alicia Silverstone is a good Batgirl. If Tim and Joel would do another Batman after Batman Forever, then they would have Johnny Depp as The Scarecrow, but Tim had other projects in the works, but for me, Arnold Schwarzenegger is the best Mr. Freeze, don't get me wrong. Everybody has a take.
Besides, Daniel Waters made fun of Taco Bell in Demolition Man with Wesley Snipes. No offense, I love both dark and light. I really do. But like I said, everybody has a take. If you're a film director, screenwriter, and comic book writer, you got to have a take.
Kevin Conroy is Batman
Bruce Wayne is batman
@@vanillae91819 No it’s Kevin Conroy 😎
@@Adam_X78 No it’s both.
No. Michael Keaton, because if he could have voiced batman cartoons, he would have nailed it ! “But if you wanna get nuts !!!? Come on
!!! Let’s get nuts !”
@@perfectsoulmates2023 why u like nuts so much?
I always liken keatons Batman to Nosferatu or even Bella Lugosi as Dracula. The stiffness of the suit gave Keaton an almost stage like horror show presence which adds more to his intimidating stance.
Yep. The Burton films were absolutely steeped in classic horror. Keaton having those Dracula vibes is no accident. It's fitting, too, because Bob Kane once described Batman as Zorro meets Dracula.
@@KingdomHeartsBrawler you’re absolutely right. Of course we all know Dracula was reincarnated as commissioner Gordon in another universe
Arkham Knight fullfilled my dreams: having the Keaton suit with Kevin Conroy’s voice.
Keaton’s Batman voice will never be topped. It was so good that even a talented actor like Val Kilmer chose to study it for Batman Forever to try and match the cadence.
Ummm you act like The Batman himself Kevin Conroy doesn't exist.
@@you-5-iver804 Keaton made Batman. Conroy was years later
@@you-5-iver804 well batman 89 was frist before Kevin conroy become voice of batman September 5, 1992, to September 15, 1995 that Kevin conroy keaton was first being batman.
Kilmer is a pretty good runner up to Keaton in terms of best Batman voice
@@you-5-iver804 He doesn't though... He sounded like a "macho man". Like a super dude... That alone ruins it for me.
MICHAEL KEATON is the GREATEST BATMAN of all TIME!
Without Keaton, we don't get Bale or Affleck. Looking forward for his return next week.
1000% agree MICHAEL KEATON IS BATMAN!! Thanks for giving Keaton his flowers.
I enjoyed this video and I agree with you Michael Keaton opened the door any actor to play a superhero without him they're wouldn't be the countless Spiderman,RDJ Iron Man, Tchalla, Blade, and the entire main universe of DC and Marvel.
All I can say, with Keaton being my Batman, this was a GREAT video. Good job Vee.
Keaton's Batman means more to me than I'll ever be able to express in words. He is perfect.
His performance as Batman was good, but really he’s way too short to play Batman. Keaton is only 5’9” and Batman is supposed to be 6’2”. He’s far from perfect.
Well put.
@@connorsimpson503 I get your point, but tbh his height doesn't really bother me.
@@connorsimpson503 tbh, Adam West has the comic accurate height
The perfect Batman for a Beyond movie
I remember being a kid, and not liking it when I heard Michael Keaton would be the next Batman, and even movie magazines like Starlog were saying Michael Keaton was the wrong choice. I felt the same for a while, but after I saw Keaton in the trailer for 89 Batman, I knew he was going to kick ass. A lot of people don't know it, but the public hype and anticipation for 89 Batman was unreal at the time. More so than any other super hero movie since in my opinion.
This is MY Batman.
I agree he's the best live action Batman.
Nope Batman and Robin’
I love this. Thank you. I could talk about it for hours. Masks, performance of craziness, joker and Bruce... this movie is so good.
You had to be over 5 years old to remember Batman in 1989 what a pop culture event it was, no matter where you go, you saw someone with a golden Batman logo t-shirt. And it played in the theaters for a long time and had lots of movie tie in products. I remember that time vividly and no movie since then has come close to the Batman fever of 1989.
MICHAEL KEATON IS THE BEST BATMAN, PERIOD!!! NO QUESTIONS-HANDS DOWN, THE BEST....
I grew up with Keaton. He’s Batman
You make the oriiginal look like its iconic, all facts brother. Awesome job
He's the best...
He is Batman... he will always be Batman.
No one will come close. ♥️
Same for Christopher Reeve as Superman... he will never be beaten in that role 💙
Busssssssssssss
100% agree with you.
My Children, without any prompting from myself have chosen Keaton as they're favourite Batman also.
You can't top perfection.
Keaton will always be Batman. Though through his generosity, he allows others to borrow the role from time to time.
Conroy is Animated Batman... Kearon is live action Batman
It took me years to understand the whole “hanging upside down” scene, but I finally get it.
This Bruce has a girl actually staying overnight with him, probably for the first time ever (and I mean staying in his home, not sex), and he cannot sleep because he’s spent months or even years staying up all night as Batman. So he basically works out since he can’t sleep. The next time we see Bruce, he’s passed out on a couch and Vicky is all wide awake because unlike him, she has a normal sleep cycle.
agreed. Keaton is and always will be the Bat
Great Job 👏👏👏👏
Michael Keaton is BATMAN.... FOREVER #Batman89
I think the outrage is way overstated. Yes, some fans wrote letters, etc., but it wasn't an onslaught from millions up-in-arms, just a few vocal weirdos.
I watched the movie yesterday and believe me i was waiting for your take on Michael Keaton as Batman. I love his Batman, is the only one who can smile and everyone feels TERRIFIED!
Tim Burton was right, Michael Keaton is the only actor that doesn’t look ridiculous in a bat suit.
Keaton is based on Golden Age Batman from Kane's Era. Kimler is the 50s Batman, Clooney the 60s Camp. Bale the 70s Neal Adam's. BatFleck is Frank Miller Batman and Pattinson would be 90s Batman. The next Batman will be following the Morrison Run of the Character.
The reason Batman killed in Burton's Universe is they were using the 40s Comics for inspiration and Bruce killed in those. Kane also was a consultant on the set of the 89 film.
I'm personally not a fan of the Golden Age Batman comics, because He killed a lot. Even when Robin entered the picture, but not as much.
I also don't like how Synder used Keaton as an example to have Ben' s Batman kill and justify that.
But Keaton will always be the foundation of what live action Batmen build off of. The actor who transformed People's memories from TV Camp to Dark Knight.
My guy....you are spot on!!....you couldn't have said it any better about the magic that was produced
In these 2 parts...and yes!..they ALL laid down the groundwork for what came after!!😏😉good job!
I really miss that yellow iconic bat symbol on Batman's chest, to me that symbol is just as iconic as the Superman symbol
Okay yes Kevin Conroy was a great Batman but for voice acting. And Michael Keaton is a great Batman for on-screen appearances
He doesn't look like batman though
I was never a fan because I hated him in the costume, he just doesn't have the look but I love how he loves his history of being Batman. He doesn't shy away from the prestige of getting to play one of the most popular comic book characters of all time. I watched the flash movie tonight and you can see in his eyes he loves wearing the suit. Christian Bale on the other hand has basically all but disowned the character.
@@kevindsmith10000 bruh Keaton literally when batgirl got cancelled couldn't care less and alluded to he did it for paycheck, even on Kimmel he said similar thing 🤣 he has the worst Bruce Wayne out of any actor his batman is decent TBF just nowhere near how people make him out to be, people always talk about nostalgia not the actual way the character is donw
Ok. So whose your batman of choise?
And this was an absolutely awesome video and I really enjoyed it
Very insightful video, gave me a new understanding on Tim Burton's Batman. Thank you!
My grandmother took me to see this in theaters when I was 8. Greatest experience ever I’ll never forget it. I still have my toys and trading cards from then.
Keaton was the only Batman ever who has been able to pull off a smile with the Cowell on and make it work and somehow even the mask matched his eyebrows, and his Bruce Wayne was great also
Michael Keaton IS Batman, and will ALWAYS be.
I love this video understood every word.. Great job I rate the video 10/10
Keaton is batman. Lets not forget they based the animated series of this movie
More like this movie inspired the animated series. Were as the animated series was based more off the comics.
keaton's batman is fun
i dont mind the clooney, kilmer, and conroy versions also
The phrase, "Whut? Mr Mom?" still echos down the years. He's the most important Batman. Can't forget the importance of Director and design and music to evoke the character though. I loved Pattinson/Reeves take, but Keaton will always be my Batman
I'd like a short horror film from a criminals perspective with a batman that's legitimately terrifying & enemies are actually seen bloodied to a pulp with a beating heart. Barely show batman, just show the damage behind the strength we've seen on screen. A more terrifying looking suit would be great too.
All versions of Batman that we know of today are a result of Keaton's Batman . . . . Without Keaton, all we would have is the Campy(West) or Super Friends version.
Thank You Michael. 👊😉
He's definitely the most iconic. Every Batman actor since Keaton will always be judged with his performance as the benchmark. I personally prefer Bale but Keaton was incredible in the role. That was the first summer blockbuster of its type and he did an amazing job
Bale was not great. His voice and mask did not fit. Did a great Bruce Wayne but his Batman is pretty bad. Affleck could have been a perfect Batman if Snyder didn't ruin it. Pattinson, Kilmer and Keaton are all great imo
Batman 1989 No Kill Rule
Batman (1989):
- Jack Napier: Batman tried to save him but he slipped and fell into the vat of chemicals.
- Goon at Axis Chemicals: Batman went through the trouble of catching him with his bat-rope and tying him on a rail to prevent him from falling.
- Blowing up Axis Chemicals
The goons followed him into the factory, he didn’t go out of his way to kill them. Second of all he was controlling the car by remote control so we don’t know how limited his view of what was around him was. Thirdly the explosion took time to fully destroy the building and the bat mobile made it out completely unharmed with those two in mind it is possible that the goons could’ve made it out or survived. We don’t know how many henchmen were at the factory if there were any inside or just outside guarding the place.
- Firing at goons on parade floatation
If you look closely you can see the missiles/bullets hitting below the goons feet or their feet, or behind them, nowhere lethal.
- Attempting to shoot the Joker
I have to believe it was a warning shot of some kind because you cannot tell me that Batman, the world’s greatest detective, can miss a target with that much ammo that close.
- Pulling goon off bell tower
This was a definite kill but one that was a life or death situation. Batman was hanging from a ledge and had to deal with several pounds of rubber/Kevlar suit; he couldn’t simply try getting back up otherwise that henchman would’ve just knocked him back down, so he either let himself fall, try to get up without taking down the goon and then get knocked back down and either fall or catch the ledge again, or grab the goon with his legs in order to pull him down securing his way onto the platform. Also once again Batman didn’t go out of his way to put himself in a situation that called for killing someone.
- Attaching gargoyle to the Joker
There are several ways the Joker could’ve survived this; could’ve let go of the latter and end up in a position like “The Dark Knight” Joker, cut the rope with something allowing himself to continue climbing free of the gargoyle, ordered his pilot to bring the copter to the roof so he could untie it.
Batman Returns:
- Setting goon on fire with bat mobile
Goon could easily have put the fire out with the cold snow and do drop and roll.
- Putting bomb on Penguin goon
According to Tim Burton this didn’t kill him. So it’s possible Batman knew it wasn’t lethal and would just cause serious injury at worst.
This one is the hardest to defend/explain away. You could argue self-defense as Batman has a no killing in cold blood rule, but that’s stretching it.
- The Penguin
Batman had nothing to do with his death; the Penguin pressed the button that launched the missiles and then fell through a window after freaking out over a swarm of bats surrounding him. We even see Batman go towards where the Penguin fell to try and check on what happened to him.
- Attempted to arrest Max Shreck
Finally Batman intended on arresting Shreck and sending him to prison.
Conclusion: Tim Burton’s Batman does have a no kill rule, it’s definitely not as strict as most versions of the character but it’s definitely there.
Compare that to Ben Affleck’s Batman who rammed into vehicles full of henchmen and goons, shooting and blowing up vehicles, towing a truck and slamming it into another vehicle, branding criminals like some kind of slave trader, bashing a guy’s head in with a crate, snapping someone’s neck by bashing their head into the hard wooden floor.
Most of Keaton’s Batman kills were merely incidental or in the spur of the moment, he never went out of his way to inflict death, assuming you ignore the points above.
I think what sets Keaton's Batman apart from other versions is that he effortlessly portrays the inner trauma that is key to the character. Whether he's in the suit fighting bad guys or flirting with Vicki Vale, there's a sadness in his eyes and a feeling that this is a deeply wounded person who is fighting really hard to keep that from bursting out. Also, look at his face in the scene where he's leaving flowers at the scene of his parent's deaths, it's actually heartbreaking how much pain and grief he's able to convey in that moment.
Excellent video! It's obvious a lot of effort went into it
Batman doesn't kill, anymore. He refrained from killing but it does happen. However, the Batman Returns story arc is the hard stance moment as he literally sees a parallel in Catwoman and crossing that with how little closer Joker's death gave him (as Joker killed his parents in this version), he knows he can't just go on killing sprees. Catwoman's situation solidified the no kill mentality.
In Batman Forever, Bruce knows that Dick wants to take a life, only just Two-Face, and Bruce told Dick the "revenge has become your whole life" line. That's a great scene when Joel did with Val and Chris.
Michelle Pfeiffer is one of my top Catwoman portrayals, i'd watch a deep dive on her
Fun fact: Michelle Pfeiffer almost suffocated in that Catwoman suit
Everything you’ve said I’ve said since I was 5 when Batman Returns released! The Best Batman/Bruce Wayne, and Catwoman! 😊
Precisely 🦇
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Michael Keaton is my batman. I was 11 when it came out on my birthday but I also like the other batman too in there own way just saw the flash loved seeing Michael Keaton back in the cape again
Christian Bale is my childhood's Batman 🦇 But Keaton is great, interesting to see The Flash
Awesome video I do agree Batman 89 is the best comic book movie of all time and i am super excited to see him return in the flash
That cowl does look cool af
👀 This was, by far, the BEST expression of Keaton’s Batman I’ve ever seen / heard. Keaton is DEFINITELY my Batman & will always be. Batman ‘89 will never be duplicated-thanks for uploading this video!
You nailed this!
I loved your point of view on the Keaton Batman. most of which i totally agree.
Comedian actors and directors are very good at doing serious roles and movies it's a great combination like PB and J also it's just like that with horror movie directors go very well with Superhero movies it's very interesting
a good comedian needs good pacing and timing. when you need a serious scene to hit just right those are exactly the skills needed.
@Vee Infuso Awesome video
Michael Keaton is the best Batman
Wow great job I really enjoyed your review of the kitten batman and the method behind it.
I think that Batman's no kill rule (especially in the comics) is in place Majorly because Batman is already a very dark character and it would just be too much for the general public if he killed. Say for instance, Superman in the movies and even in the comics has killed several times. But the fact that he's a much, much, sunnier character forgives that. If Batman did it, it would hard for alot of people to condone his already very dark method of crime-fighting. The reason why he is the most strict about not killing more than any other superhero, is because he is already very dark and grim.
Like the robot said in Lego Batman, "You dress like a bad guy. You even sound like a bad guy."
Bruce has this rule because he is every bit as insane as his villains and knows that if he crossed that line he would never stop and become 100% the very thing that he has dedicated his life to fighting against. He watched his parents lives taken. Why would he want to be on the other side of that preverbial trigger? Good take though and im sure that is somewhat the reasoning from a cultural and society standpoint.
Batman did the right thing about not killing crooks again after the early comic books.
I’m a Bale fanboy- but Not even Christian Bale can look menacing as Keaton. Keaton’s Batman is the only one that can pull off a smile and you’ll shit bricks cause you know you’re f*cked.
the only reason why i want to watch the flash movie (:
Keatonbats is best bats because he is a real-world bats, oldschool, he's in control and that's why he's Batman and that's why he kills when necessary.
I feel like Burton's Batman is a fully Freudian nightmare: parental issues, sexual fixations, some psychosis in the mix, amidst a man's battle for his soul without redemption (and heavily influenced by the 40s Batman). Nolan's is a Jungian Batman: persona, self and shadow on full gear, a man trying to heal himself in the process, rediscovering his anima (Catwoman), and finding his happiness and peace of mind (with heavy inspirations of the 90s Batman comic books). Both are strong storytelling and character exploration.
Absolutely!. Nuff said.
Michael Keaton the best of all BATMANS
We need a Batman beyond movie
My top 3 Bats/Bruce's
Kevin Conroy
Micheal Keaton
Christian Bale
Combine Micheal Keaton as Batman with his performance as Beetlejuice and you get the Batman that laughs! Somebody get it n this!
Michael Keaton could've done a dual role as Batman and Beetlejuice like Joker that would've been awesome
As someone who saw Batman as a child, Keaton's portrayal of Batman definitely got that nostalgia working in his favor going into this week's The Flash. But after growing up and rewatching both Batman and Batman Returns, it doesn't hold well over time. I won't even bother with Kilmer and Clooney. Affleck gets some points for the warehouse fight in BvS but nothing much else. The Keaton fight choreography isn't at the level of Jason Bourne or John Wick, and it's only redeeming quality is the Batmobile. The actor that nailed the part of both Batman and the mask of Bruce Wayne was Christian Bale in Nolan's The Dark Knight trilogy. And just when I thought it couldn't be made better, Robert Pattison put the Batman in the comics on the big screen from the way he talks and moves, and Gotham City wasn't just a Chicago or New York City copy...it felt real.
Keaton should have returned officially a 3rd time ages ago really....still better late than never 👍Yeah!
Michael Keaton will always be my favorite big screen Batman!! He is to me what Christopher Reeve was to the big screen Superman. And I loved watching Keaton's Batman contending with the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman. What bums me out is that Keaton's Batman never got to contend with Two Face and the Riddler or acquire Robin for his partner. Even though Batman Forever gave us those three characters, it was unfortunate that Joel Schumacher took the Batman franchise in a different direction that made Keaton bow out.
While Michael Keaton is my favorite big screen Batman, I am also a fan of Robin as well. (Dick Grayson only). I not only grew up with the Batman 66 TV show reruns, but also the 2 Filmation Batman cartoons and the SuperFriends. I had the Batman Power Records and I loved the 70's Batman comics where he mostly worked alone, but Dick Grayson was attending college but would on occasion return to Gotham and work with Batman on occasion and this was when Robin was The Teen Wonder. I know Batman The Animated Series based a lot of their storylines off of this time period of the comics.
Anyway, Chris O Donnell is my favorite big screen Robin, though technically, he's the only one. But Chris is really the only thing I liked about the Schumacher Batman films. If it had been up to me, I would have had his Robin in the Keaton Batman movies and I would have kept the tone dark in the Tim Burton style. I would have had a passage of time between the murder of the Flying Graysons and Bruce Wayne taking the orphaned Dick Grayson in and training him. That way, there would have been a child actor as young Dick and then later, Chris O Donnell as Dick Grayson as a college age teen.
And for the Flash movie, I would have had it mentioned that when Dick became a man, he realized that he and Bruce were really different, which led to a falling out. Dick Grayson eventually left Gotham, became Nightwing and would establish himself as the protector of Bludhaven, but he and Bruce never spoke again.
Although Robin was not in the Keaton Batman movies, the potential was there since there were attempts made to write him in to both movies, before he was cut from them. I really don't know if I could have ever accepted the Drake Winston version of Robin that Marlon Wayans was set to play, but I personally think that Chris O Donnell could have existed in Keaton's Batman films. The only change I would make with the Robin costume from Batman Forever would be no damned nipples.
Whenever I watch Batman The Animated Series and mentally picture the episodes in live action form, I only see Michael Keaton's Batman and Chris O Donnell's Robin whenever he guest appeared.
I have never visualized Val Kilmer or George Clooney as live action versions of the animated Batman. Just Keaton all the way, even after the characters were all revamped for the New Batman Adventures episodes in 1997. And I could have eventually seen Keaton's Bruce Wayne eventually running Wayne Enterprises and developing a public image so nobody would suspect him being Batman.
It's too bad that Tim Burton was a Robin hater, just like Christian Bale. But that's my two Bat Cents worth.
I love keaton he is probably my second favorite batman after kevin conroy