In my teens in Australia I worked for a while in a service station we used to refill any size gas bottles... pretty well any service station could do this... never a problem.
The printed numbers on the gas canister represent the weight of the canister when it’s empty, when the canister is filled professionally it’s put on scales that have that weight entered into them and then the correct amount of liquid gas is put into the canister by the scales automatically turning off the supply when full by allowing for the canister weight.
I worked in this industry for many years. You have demonstrated a lack of basic knowledge in the subject. The weight painted in the cylinder is the EMPTY WEIGHT OF THE CYLINDER, used by the company when refilling it. The employee refilling it at the depot enters this figure into the scales (like zeroing a kitchen scale with the container when weighing food) and that way they are able to make sure that the correct amount of gas is put in. It's a 47KG cylinder, which takes 47Kg - 96 litres - of gas. Still, at least your mistake results in your UNDERFILLING that particular cylinder. However, there are other, smaller cylinders where the empty weight is MORE than the capacity, and your advice could result in a fatal accident. Finally, not all cylinders are capable of withstanding the pressure of autogas, which is mainly propane. Some Spanish cylinders for example, are designed exclusively for butane which has a much lower pressure and there is a serious risk that they will rupture catastrophically in being filled with autogas because the walls are too thin... As someone else said, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
So what if you have a half filled bottle and want to top it up can it still be done ? Is there not a pressure release valve you can buy to simply stop you over filling them ?
I'm all for saving money & i hate the fact that in the UK we are ripped off when buying bottled gas but you started off by saying that you've been doing this for ten years but you don't know how much gas goes in ! Sadly you have made a good case for why this is illegal.
Refilling propane tanks are normal thing here in California, most of us have a portable gas burning BBQ, so using propane tanks and refilling them is common, of coarse the gas station people must refill the tanks for safety reasons but nothing dangerous or out of ordinary.
I'm pretty sure you don't have propane in California. It's more expensive to separate propane from butane, so a combination is sold whenever possible, called _liquefied petroleum gas_ (LPG). Propane is sold in very cold areas during winter because it has higher volatility and lower boiling point.
Yeah LPG is approximately, Half the weight of water. E.g. in Australia a 45kg has bottle will take about 88 litres. With out any problems. Although I've seen people just fill the bottles until the auto gas bowser reaches is pressure max. And turn off automatically. ( just like filling a car) Thanks for the video!
I started to do this a few years ago at the one and only filling station local to me with an LPG pump. It went ok for about 14 months but then one day they stopped me!! The manager came out and said it was illegal and pointed at a big notice saying portable gas cylinders were not permitted to be refilled. There are no alternative stations close enough to make it viable, so I can no longer do this. I never had a problem though and it was saving me a fortune on running my gas central heating in a rural location with no mains gas. Don't know how my gas cylinder supplier can justify charging more than a forecourt price for gas, and they are now even charging a market volatility charge and for delivery! They used to deliver free. So it now costs me almost £100 for a 47KG cylinder, which can last as little as a week in very cold weather! This is in the west mids area of the UK.
It starts off great. "this end goes on the gas bottle" "nope sorry, other end" Takes 8 inch Adjustable, wrench, wrench, wrench, grunt -wrench, "There that's hand tight".
Haha yeah the 'hand tight' gag was good. I also the like "the rule of the thumb" And few extra words and dodgy sums added here and there throughout for added grins
33.4 kg x 2 litres = 66.8 litres 80% from 66.8 = 6.68 x 8litres = 53.44 litres 53.44 litres it is 80% from 66.8 litres Came back to school BOMB-astic Video :D :D:D
to John . Mitch - In Bulgaria Just drive up with your gas bottle stand it by the pump, the attendant comes say's how much, Then fills it to your requirements. Gas costs about 20p a litre. I had to refill my house hob bottle last year ( summer 2018 ) it cost me just over 10 lev £5 and will last me about 2 years. If you buy an empty or sell a gas bottle in Bulgaria the seller has to provide a pressure test certificate. The UK Prices at 69p a litre are a rip off even at the pump.
Somewhere on the valve guard ( the steel surrounding the valve) will be stamped the history of the cylinder and the testing it has undergone, if the last test was more than ten years ago it is illegal to refill the cylinder, Flogas should have warning signs stating this and the fact that cylinders should only be filled by weight and not by liquid levels, the tare weight of the cylinder was 33.4 kg so the maximum fill would be 33.4 + 47.2 = 80.6 kg, the other safety related issue is that he was carrying the cylinder laid on its side which is a very hazardous method of transport. They should always be carried in the upright position and secured so they cannot come loose as a result of the relative movement of the carrying vehicle. I suggest he spends a little time on the internet reading the LPGA information on the safe handling, storage and transport of lpg , it won’t hurt the site management to read it also.
good on ya mate i been doing this for years i even made a video too lol hate being ripped off well done for spreading this and letting people know they can save huge amounts
Brilliant video mate, I appreciate very much you using your time and effort to put it together for us. And today I learnt something new, something very beneficial.
Can't believe this is on UA-cam, just the amount of debate in the comments shows how much interpretation and potential for mistakes there is. Anyone using enough gas to make a substantial difference to their costs should just go and get themselves some proper 4 hole refillable cylinders that don't need any dodgy adaptors, have a pressure gauge, a safety pressure relief valve, and most importantly, a built in automatic cut-off that stops the pump when the bottle reaches 80%. If you get through lots of gas, you can get 160ltr refillable tanks you can fix into a vehicle or even a small dedicated trailer.
As a German, I can say that our LPG is a 40:60 or 60:40 mixture of propane and butane with a density up to 0.6 kg/L. (density from wikipedia) So, if you have a 33kg bottle that would make 33/0.6=55L minus 20%, so 44L of LPG gas that can be filled.
In the UK its 1ltr of lpg = 0.5kg 2ltr =1kg The Bottle weight is 47kg minus 20% 9.40 = 37.6kg x 2 ltr = 75.2 ltr x 55 pence = £41.36 at today`s price. I got a refilled bottle today £85.00 that`s why I am here!!The guy in the video filled it to 70ltrs to be safe . Hefty price he was paying per ltr though!!
Still much cheaper then exchanging the bottle for me, Glad you noted the amount I filled it to for safety. I tried to stress how important this point is in the video
good to see some one else taking advantage of pump price gas in sufollk i haven,t found a filling station that will let you fill bottles directly from the pump so got round it by fitting a remote fill point on my van and it just looks like i am filling my van up here is link to my setup ua-cam.com/video/--OsfTtfiSI/v-deo.html
Hmm, die Kapazität ist doch bei fast 80 ltr. randvoll.... -20% sind 60 ltr.+/- oder vertue ich mich. Die Expnsionsfreudigkeit von Butan einmal vernachlässigt.Ich mach das auch schon seit vielen Jahren.
Adapters to do this are all over Amazon/eBay. I’d love to do it but I’m pretty sure the petrol stations near me won’t entertain it. You could try leaving it in the boot of your car so they think your car is a gas conversion but they get funny about you having the boot lid or doors open at petrol stations. Also they may call the Calor gas or Flo gas police to come and put you in prison immediately (without passing go or collecting £200 - apparently). Robbing so-an-sos. I notice this guy is doing this in a rural area, probably at a privately owned petrol station so they’re probably quite relaxed country folk.
I worked in pressure test services that tested, painted, reconditioned all calor gas& BOC bottles in Ireland. That writing on the bottle is the weight of the empty bottle! Not the amount of gas that's in it at all. So this is very dangerous info your giving out!!!!
Popped to a local gas place today, they refused to fill it said it was against the law. Went to Morrisons and filled it no problem, however on the display it said you can't fill your own gas bottles, I questioned this and the guy said it doesn't have a valve on top to stop you over filling it but as I'd filled it it wasn't a problem. He said if the older guy was in he's a bit more nosey and probably wouldn't let me do it.
The valve he was on about is the contents valve...it bleeds out gas just like a radiator when it reaches the required amount ...i`m surprised he let you fill the tank but hey ho its way cheaper than buying from the supplier.
@@neilp7024 certainly is, where do you get those valves from? or is it worth while buying a safegas one which they let you fill up? or even just using my log burner lol. I'm using it for a patio heater and obviously I have gas regulator which fits to the pipe.
@@philwright8269 Hi Phil i use a camping gaz one on my boat and it has to be a certain size and it has no contents gauge or valve ...so what i do is weight it and when filling i put it on bath scales as its filling...do not overfill especially in the summer when temps are very hi for a long time,we fill our tanks to 75% due to expansion the bigger bottles come with a valve and a contents gauge (flogas)...however you can buy a regulator with a contents gauge as its better than nothing you hasve to rely on the accuracy and the valve is far better.If you did overfill you take off the hose on the regulator and open the regulator valve (making sure you are a long way from any sparks or flames etc.....but its best not to overfill in the first place.
I have two 13s in my motor home I fill up at the petrol station it costs £15 each to exchange it costs £32 per bottle so I’m saving over 50% and I’ve been doing this over ten years and contrary to public belief it is not illegal ,this bullshit was put out by cal or as they don’t want people saving money
The number you're pointing at (33.4) is the Tare (Empty cylinder weight) not it's contents weight. As you stated at the start the gas weight is 47kg. At least the number you're working on is lower than 47kg. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
This is true, however, the more weight the cylinder has, the bigger it is and the more gas it can hold. There is a direct correlation between the tare and the gas capacity. Although he has the details wrong, the math he was using was correct.
@@spudhead169 Not true. The tare weights vary depending on the thickness of the steel used in construction. Older cylinders can weigh almost twice the amount of modern ones.
Even if 33.4 kg x 2 litres = 66.8 litres 80% from 66.8 = 6.68 x 8litres = 53.44 litres 53.44 litres it is 80% from 66.8 litres Came back to school BOMB-astic Video :D :D:D
33.4 kg x 2 litres = 66.8 litres 80% from 66.8 = 6.68 x 8litres = 53.44 litres 53.44 litres it is 80% from 66.8 litres Came back to school BOMB-astic Video :D :D:D
i would rather have an exchanged unit , only because its checked over for cracks and the saftey valve replaced more often , working safe with gas is key
That's a flogas bottle it's a rented bottle and it's illegal to fill it at a pump .it's regarded as theft .but the video is good I learned from it so thank you. If you try to fill it the cashier will hit the red button to stop and hope she/he doesn't report you or you may be prosecuted
First check if it legal to do so = it isn't in some places as the autogas is a different mix of propane/butane to what is used in BBQ and the burners aren't designed for it.
Dear friend A serious omission you make when you attach the fitting to the bottle, you must always put a flange, you can not attach two metal surfaces without a flange, prevent any leakage ,and the numbers you see on the bottle are the tare weight of the bottle is not the weight of the content
@@spencerwilton5831 Dear friend, I am a 28 years professional lighter that what you say does not exist in any case is what we are saying here in my homeland I wish my grandfather to show you your fields
Mounting - Connection: Connect the regulator to the cylinder with its hexagon nut (left-handed) and tighten it securely with a wrench. Always have two flanges between the regulator and the bottle
@@spencerwilton5831 if there is a plastic flange and no leather on the regulator need to be replaced only when the plastic flange is cut Well to pass and watch with LPG do not play
33.4 kg x 2 litres = 66.8 litres 80% from 66.8 = 6.68 x 8litres = 53.44 litres 53.44 litres it is 80% from 66.8 litres Came back to school BOMB-astic Video :D :D:D
I'm wondering about the blue 15kg butane Calor gas bottles, is there such an adaptor to be able to fill that at a petrol station? Like someone else already said, Calor are taking the pi$$ when it comes to pricing, assuming that you can actually get them to supply you with one nowadays, due to this covid BS and the shortage of many items.
Sod that if they are anything like diving air tanks the bottle will expand on every fill slowly weakening it over time that's why they need hydrostatic testing ?
@@rogerblackwood8815 it's his Mrs favorite role play, Wayne coming in as the H & S inspector, as he politely knocks at the bedroom door and she opens it 'Everything in order? I' ll have to check it out and certify it! '.... He also role plays as a rent collector, an insurance actuary.... How do l know this? On a separate note, I am an avid collector of home movies! 😜
Thats not a uk cylinder propane cylinders in the uk have an internal LH thread with no seal or gasket that cylinder has an external thead and would require a seal berween the adapter still the way it was horsed with the shifter might just leak a wee bit very dangerous info
all the gas bottle are refillable and the 80% rule is true. but as the bottles are loaned to you and you dont technical own it garage generally wont let you fill them I have a safefill type which has a shut out valve built in.
some of them won't let you fill them either unless they are in a gas locker and are piped to a fill valve permanently fixed to the outside of the vehicle.
Calor Gas Limited has issued a safety warning following reports of unlawful and dangerous filling of its portable LPG cylinders at self-service autogas refuelling sites. Calor has become aware of increasing numbers of people using adaptors to fill LPG cylinders from autogas dispensers. This practice is not only unlawful but also highly dangerous as there is a strong probability of leaks occurring and cylinders being overfilled. The filling of LPG cylinders is potentially an extremely hazardous activity, and safe filling requires appropriate expertise and training of operators, use of certified equipment, safe working procedures and a safe environment. Automotive LPG filling stations incorporate safety measures to ensure the safe refuelling of vehicles but they do not include all of the necessary safety elements required for filling LPG cylinders. Furthermore, commercial LPG is supplied in two forms - propane and butane - and filling a cylinder with the wrong type of LPG can lead to serious appliance malfunction and can cause safety devices to fail. Members of the public who refill LPG cylinders using autogas refuelling equipment not only create a serious risk to their own safety and the safety of others, but are also contravening UK Health and Safety Regulations, Weights and Measures Regulations and Consumer Safety legislation. These Regulations impose important legal duties on the site operator to ensure the safety of both their employees and members of the public. In the event of an accident as a result of this type of activity, the site operator could be liable to prosecution. Calor is therefore urging autogas refuelling site operators to be vigilant and take appropriate action to prevent the unlawful and potentially dangerous re-filling cylinders in this manner.
Incorrect in general the mark on the top , say 33.4 is the tare weight of the bottle. Has nothing to do with the capacity in litres. For example....On filling an empty bottle it will hold say 19kg of gas plus the weight of bottle at 33.4 weight full 52.4. Do not get confused. Right to say do not fill past 80%. Be very careful and overfilled propane cylinder may deliver liquid gas and be very dangerous.
Unfortunately LPG IS now +1.gbp / ltr. But still better . I was using a 6kg for my caravan heater. Now bought ,SAFEFILL 11 kg cost 20gbl to fill better than 38.00 Many places dont like you using regular red tank but Ive never been stopped. Unfortunately in Wales many petrol stations not selling LPG Tanks empty as say not enough demand. Pity.
These operations are strictly forbidden in Italy: due to taxes, if you are seen by "Guardia di finanza" (taxation police) you can be fined up to € 10.000. You can laugh at that, we've got only left to cry.
Just buy a forklift LPG cylinder. Those have the automatic cut off and release valves and are also much lighter than the steel ones. This is not allowed in my country the Netherlands. It says on all LPG pumps. "bottle refill not allowed" Watching this video I can see why. This bottle has rust on it with no safety valves....
A forklift bottle is designed to expel liquid gas to run an engine not vapor to run heating and cooking. You will get into all sorts of dangerous grief if you connect a forklift bottle to a caravan!
@@andrewwheeldon3027 You will need a pressure reducer in between. Forklifts also have a vacuum driven pressure reducer before lpg enters the engine. It's also called a gas vaporizer sometimes.
Hi mate, great video, hey just wondering can the cylinder be on its side when filling? or does it have to be upright? Thanks, I'd like to give that a go!!
how can i do this for Portuguese gas canisters? There are so many different ones here... maybe its just easier if I change the fitting at the appliance i want .Where to get that fitting?
@@Phil-Sands In the UK only Liquid take off tanks that use a "Rego" connector have a valve that's pushed in, standard vapour take off tanks don't although SOME have excess flow devices so if the hose ruptures the gas will shut off (and you'll probably hear a click when it happens) the valve is reset by turning the cylinder valve off and on again. I've only come across excess flow valves a couple of times and I use a LOT of Propane doing large flame systems for special effects.
Very great presentation ! John, please let me know where to buy the first small adapter European Canister / Bayonet Autogas. I have found on-line several adapters, but no the right one. Thanks in advance to John or another friend who will help me to find a market on-line.
Go online to their shop or call Tinley Tech. All bottles (non Calor) should have an automatic shut off valve & a pressure release valve. This video is inviting dangerous methods
Sainsbury's @ Taunton Somerset M5 J25 WERE £0.59p / Litre👍 Have Just STOPPED Selling L.P.Gas WHY ? Good Question, They Used to Sell So Much They Were Empty Half the Time, So Sad 😢
BIG savings on LPG as bottle suppliers have taken the piss with their prices. Eg. 11KG patio FloGas £49 cylinder exchange. or refill it for 22l x £0.75 ppl x 80% = £13.20 ❤🔥
Just out of interest the 47kg weight already allows for an 80% fill. So you can put 92 litres in (1kg is slightly less than 2l). But as stated there is no saving, lots of unnecessary effort, parts to buy and an early meeting with an undertaker involved.
It is illegal to fill any cylinder that you don’t own and by own I mean you bought it outright. It is also important that the cylinder is in test. The next question I would be asking if this all goes wrong whose insurance is paying out for the property damage and any potential loss of life. There is a reason these things have property of and only to be filled by ……………. Because they have the insurance the proper equipment and the legal responsibility to ensure the thing is in test.
33.4 kg is the weight of the metal cylinder nothing to do with the gas in it, sometimes its stamped on a silver disc around the neck and can be in pounds and ounces!
Exactly. So based on that and calculating the empty bottle you can then find out that 80% safety line will give you roughly 48lt or 52 lt BUT CERTAINLY NOT 70lt
@@dkaloupis75 Dimitris Kaloupis Ok, the number he is pointing at 33.4 is called the tare weight or empty weight. 47kg is the net weight or gas weight. Empty cylinder weighs 33.4 kg and full cylinder weighs 33.4 + 47 = 80.4kg. 47kg is 47 x 1.96 = 92 litres lpg with 80% safety margin included. Cylinder at 100 % probably holds 110 litres but that is not safe as liquid can get into gas lines and appliances go up in flames, i know i tried it on purpose to see what happened.. outdoors ofcourse. What hes doing is not worth it as hes underfilling and a new cylinder delivered to your door is the same price without the hassle and danger, contact some gas suppliers they can supprise you with their price. It is worthwhile filling small cylinders like this because the are comparatively more expensive.
@@andrewbancroft6174 and again...gas at a petrol station will have in the mix around 70-75% propane and 25-30%buttane and liquid inside is someting you cannot avoid by all means, so can you do the maths now?
I've carried out inspections at an lpg bottle filling station.. all the bottles were inspected.. earthed.. special coupler with bleed vent.. flame proof overalls.. why .. its called a bleve...boiling liquid evaporating liquid explosion.. and 45 kg cylinder would take out windows for a quarter of a mile..
Refilling gas bottles on garage forecourts is against forecourt regulations and is illegal. When I was a manager in the Lpg industry, trading standard told me of this problem.
There is 92L in a 47kg cylinder. At the price you are paying its around £65 to fill your cylinder up the last 47GK cylinder I had (6 weeks ago) was £62 delivered to my door(and there are cheaper places).. is it really worth it?
The safety valve built into the gas bottle convinces me that this method of filling is totally safe and a godsend for campers traveling around Europe. Sign me up! Brilliant video thanks.
I'm used to the tanks in the US that had a bleed valve and an overfill prevention device. Open the bleed valve, connect the hose, turn on the pump. When it's full(80%) the OPD will kick and stop te pump. Close the bleed valve, disconnect and you are done. The larger tanks don't have an OPD, but you can guage by the vent . Solid stream of propane? It's full to 80%. I filled tanks for customers at my work all day. TBH, it's probably safer than petrol to pump.
£69.90 is now much the last bottle cost and I believe thats the cheaper supplier Where is it £50 delivered. Please I need to know??? coz it sure as he'll ain' as cheap here
The bottles are made out of 3mm ish steel , a quick visual inspection for rust on any seem the brass threads and valve are good order, check for corrosion dents n dings that could potentially compromise the bottles integrity, trust in your own judgement, I have cut up many of these for different projects . After they have been purged /filled to overflowing with water very good steel to work with. If you have any doubts regarding your own competence in engineering or smiting, further education would be a distinct advantage. Observing relivent health and safety practice / guidelines ish .
@@semajekrad6922 You need to buy it from suppliers that provide it to industry, they will always rip off those not in the know, same with anything, if you know where you can always get everything cheaper, it's like going to a shed for timber, your local timber warehouse would be about 50% of the price. I just checked, our fuel supplier is £50.25 for a 47Kg delivered - we get solid fuel from him and a local gas/welding/heating sort of place in an industrial estate charge the same. Look about, stop at a burger van if they are quiet and ask them where they get it and how much. There is and always has been a bit of a monopoly on gas and the prices are usually falsely high.
@@semajekrad6922 I suspect you are an expert you SEEM to know all about SEAMS and things. They are good heavy duty cylinders but they need to be to withstand the abuse they get and take the pressures involved safely even with slight reduction in wall thickness due to corrosion or weld damage. A full cylinder at normal ambient temperatures will vary from 50psi to about 130psi - much colder or warmer ambient temperature will result in lower or high pressures. I think a quick visual inspection would be generally acceptable however you don't know the history of the bottle and reusing it over and over cannot be as safe as having a tested cylinder being re-issued to you when you buy gas. I am a great believer in beating the system, but sometimes it is just not worth it and when stupid people get involved in things like this it can become downright lethal.
@@peterpeterson9903 A wise precaution would be to get a fresh brand new tube of gas in the very first instance from suppliers, the brass fitting should be sound, more or less unused you will then know the history of the cylinder. I dare say there are those who's capacity to perform such a procedure would be in some doubt . Living with gas cylinders for cooking heating, having to connect, disconnect and store repeatedly as I have to over the years it becomes 2nd nature. It is a matter of making sound solid leak free connection's, treat the tubes with the respect they deserve. Refilling tubes of gas is much like filling a car on lpg Of course there are thoes who will no doubt be entered for a Darwin award. Thankfully we have a Fire service an NHS for thoes who don't quite qualify for the Darwin award and will live on with the consequences as a sage reminder regarding a misadventure due to an oversight with lpg or some other such substance . Do a risk assessment Use the correct spanners Do not attempt pissed or stoned, or with two fists of thumbs or if you have a history of bad luck & or accidents.
47kg is the amount of Propane the bottle holds filled to 80%, as Autogas in the UK is 100% propane that equates to 92.12 litres so looking at the price per litre on the pump would cost you £64.39 to fill it to 80%. That is probably about the price of an exchange bottle. The smaller the bottle the bigger the savings, just not on that one.
According to the color gas UK website a 13kg bottle is currently £34,50 www.calor.co.uk/shop/gas-bottles/propane-gas-bottles.html so please explain how you managed to pay £57.60 for 47 kg, Provide, which is only avialable through stockist. a ctc number to substantiate your claim or shut up
Now £49.00 to swap a 13kg Butane bottle. Daylight robbery. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. 👍❤😃
It's not a legal practice
I doubt it you can do that in UK
In my teens in Australia I worked for a while in a service station we used to refill any size gas bottles... pretty well any service station could do this... never a problem.
the best gas refill video in Europe. Thanks from Germany. Cool, clear instruction. Great business over 10 Years.Wonderful.
The printed numbers on the gas canister represent the weight of the canister when it’s empty, when the canister is filled professionally it’s put on scales that have that weight entered into them and then the correct amount of liquid gas is put into the canister by the scales automatically turning off the supply when full by allowing for the canister weight.
Or bomb goes off with pressure 🔥⚰🤣
Thanks for your response - so how would you fill any cannister at the gas pump, to guide us even better my friend?
I worked in this industry for many years. You have demonstrated a lack of basic knowledge in the subject. The weight painted in the cylinder is the EMPTY WEIGHT OF THE CYLINDER, used by the company when refilling it. The employee refilling it at the depot enters this figure into the scales (like zeroing a kitchen scale with the container when weighing food) and that way they are able to make sure that the correct amount of gas is put in. It's a 47KG cylinder, which takes 47Kg - 96 litres - of gas. Still, at least your mistake results in your UNDERFILLING that particular cylinder. However, there are other, smaller cylinders where the empty weight is MORE than the capacity, and your advice could result in a fatal accident.
Finally, not all cylinders are capable of withstanding the pressure of autogas, which is mainly propane. Some Spanish cylinders for example, are designed exclusively for butane which has a much lower pressure and there is a serious risk that they will rupture catastrophically in being filled with autogas because the walls are too thin...
As someone else said, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
So what if you have a half filled bottle and want to top it up can it still be done ? Is there not a pressure release valve you can buy to simply stop you over filling them ?
@Mister Dude great news have you got a link to any I can buy in the U.K. ? Thanks
I'm all for saving money & i hate the fact that in the UK we are ripped off when buying bottled gas but you started off by saying that you've been doing this for ten years but you don't know how much gas goes in !
Sadly you have made a good case for why this is illegal.
Brilliant video mate. Thank you for sharing and giving confidence and knowledge to do this
Refilling propane tanks are normal thing here in California, most of us have a portable gas burning BBQ, so using propane tanks and refilling them is common, of coarse the gas station people must refill the tanks for safety reasons but nothing dangerous or out of ordinary.
I'm pretty sure you don't have propane in California. It's more expensive to separate propane from butane, so a combination is sold whenever possible, called _liquefied petroleum gas_ (LPG). Propane is sold in very cold areas during winter because it has higher volatility and lower boiling point.
Yeah LPG is approximately, Half the weight of water. E.g. in Australia a 45kg has bottle will take about 88 litres. With out any problems.
Although I've seen people just fill the bottles until the auto gas bowser reaches is pressure max. And turn off automatically. ( just like filling a car)
Thanks for the video!
can ya drop me a pic of that setup mate
To fill the bottles until the dispenser stops automatically, there must be a float valve inside the bottle, to avoid overfilling it.
There has to be an expansion space left in the bottle. or its a bomb!
I started to do this a few years ago at the one and only filling station local to me with an LPG pump. It went ok for about 14 months but then one day they stopped me!! The manager came out and said it was illegal and pointed at a big notice saying portable gas cylinders were not permitted to be refilled. There are no alternative stations close enough to make it viable, so I can no longer do this. I never had a problem though and it was saving me a fortune on running my gas central heating in a rural location with no mains gas. Don't know how my gas cylinder supplier can justify charging more than a forecourt price for gas, and they are now even charging a market volatility charge and for delivery! They used to deliver free. So it now costs me almost £100 for a 47KG cylinder, which can last as little as a week in very cold weather! This is in the west mids area of the UK.
It starts off great. "this end goes on the gas bottle" "nope sorry, other end" Takes 8 inch Adjustable, wrench, wrench, wrench, grunt -wrench, "There that's hand tight".
Haha yeah the 'hand tight' gag was good. I also the like "the rule of the thumb" And few extra words and dodgy sums added here and there throughout for added grins
33.4 kg x 2 litres = 66.8 litres
80% from 66.8 = 6.68 x 8litres = 53.44 litres
53.44 litres it is 80% from 66.8 litres
Came back to school
BOMB-astic Video :D :D:D
to John . Mitch - In Bulgaria Just drive up with your gas bottle stand it by the pump, the attendant comes say's how much, Then fills it to your requirements. Gas costs about 20p a litre. I had to refill my house hob bottle last year ( summer 2018 ) it cost me just over 10 lev £5 and will last me about 2 years. If you buy an empty or sell a gas bottle in Bulgaria the seller has to provide a pressure test certificate. The UK Prices at 69p a litre are a rip off even at the pump.
🤣🤣 This video is a great demo of how dangerous a little knowledge can be.
Wet the bed, ha ha
Somewhere on the valve guard ( the steel surrounding the valve) will be stamped the history of the cylinder and the testing it has undergone, if the last test was more than ten years ago it is illegal to refill the cylinder, Flogas should have warning signs stating this and the fact that cylinders should only be filled by weight and not by liquid levels, the tare weight of the cylinder was 33.4 kg so the maximum fill would be 33.4 + 47.2 = 80.6 kg, the other safety related issue is that he was carrying the cylinder laid on its side which is a very hazardous method of transport. They should always be carried in the upright position and secured so they cannot come loose as a result of the relative movement of the carrying vehicle.
I suggest he spends a little time on the internet reading the LPGA information on the safe handling, storage and transport of lpg , it won’t hurt the site management to read it also.
good on ya mate i been doing this for years i even made a video too lol hate being ripped off well done for spreading this and letting people know they can save huge amounts
Excellent video straight forward and to the point well done!
I really appreciate you making this video. Cheers, man.
Brilliant video mate, I appreciate very much you using your time and effort to put it together for us. And today I learnt something new, something very beneficial.
Can't believe this is on UA-cam, just the amount of debate in the comments shows how much interpretation and potential for mistakes there is. Anyone using enough gas to make a substantial difference to their costs should just go and get themselves some proper 4 hole refillable cylinders that don't need any dodgy adaptors, have a pressure gauge, a safety pressure relief valve, and most importantly, a built in automatic cut-off that stops the pump when the bottle reaches 80%. If you get through lots of gas, you can get 160ltr refillable tanks you can fix into a vehicle or even a small dedicated trailer.
I dont think you can get 4 holes in the UK, wasnt it outlawed after the mont blanc tunnel fire?
As a German, I can say that our LPG is a 40:60 or 60:40 mixture of propane and butane with a density up to 0.6 kg/L. (density from wikipedia)
So, if you have a 33kg bottle that would make 33/0.6=55L minus 20%, so 44L of LPG gas that can be filled.
In the UK its 1ltr of lpg = 0.5kg 2ltr =1kg
The Bottle weight is 47kg minus 20% 9.40 = 37.6kg x 2 ltr = 75.2 ltr x 55 pence = £41.36 at today`s price.
I got a refilled bottle today £85.00 that`s why I am here!!The guy in the video filled it to 70ltrs to be safe .
Hefty price he was paying per ltr though!!
Still much cheaper then exchanging the bottle for me, Glad you noted the amount I filled it to for safety. I tried to stress how important this point is in the video
Many thanks John very much appreciated- rip off Britain its no joke.
good to see some one else taking advantage of pump price gas
in sufollk i haven,t found a filling station that will let you fill bottles directly from the pump so got round it by fitting a remote fill point on my van and it just looks like i am filling my van up
here is link to my setup ua-cam.com/video/--OsfTtfiSI/v-deo.html
Hmm, die Kapazität ist doch bei fast 80 ltr. randvoll.... -20% sind 60 ltr.+/- oder vertue ich mich. Die Expnsionsfreudigkeit von Butan einmal vernachlässigt.Ich mach das auch schon seit vielen Jahren.
Adapters to do this are all over Amazon/eBay. I’d love to do it but I’m pretty sure the petrol stations near me won’t entertain it. You could try leaving it in the boot of your car so they think your car is a gas conversion but they get funny about you having the boot lid or doors open at petrol stations. Also they may call the Calor gas or Flo gas police to come and put you in prison immediately (without passing go or collecting £200 - apparently). Robbing so-an-sos. I notice this guy is doing this in a rural area, probably at a privately owned petrol station so they’re probably quite relaxed country folk.
if you tried that in Australia the service station operator would push the emergency stop and call the army navy and air force
What! No police or fire brigade!
Too true
Not in the Outbacks lol
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I worked in pressure test services that tested, painted, reconditioned all calor gas& BOC bottles in Ireland. That writing on the bottle is the weight of the empty bottle! Not the amount of gas that's in it at all.
So this is very dangerous info your giving out!!!!
that empty alone is 33kg????
I think you're wrong mate bit embarrassing if you worked with em for years
Popped to a local gas place today, they refused to fill it said it was against the law. Went to Morrisons and filled it no problem, however on the display it said you can't fill your own gas bottles, I questioned this and the guy said it doesn't have a valve on top to stop you over filling it but as I'd filled it it wasn't a problem. He said if the older guy was in he's a bit more nosey and probably wouldn't let me do it.
The valve he was on about is the contents valve...it bleeds out gas just like a radiator when it reaches the required amount ...i`m surprised he let you fill the tank but hey ho its way cheaper than buying from the supplier.
@@neilp7024 certainly is, where do you get those valves from? or is it worth while buying a safegas one which they let you fill up? or even just using my log burner lol. I'm using it for a patio heater and obviously I have gas regulator which fits to the pipe.
@@philwright8269 Hi Phil i use a camping gaz one on my boat and it has to be a certain size and it has no contents gauge or valve ...so what i do is weight it and when filling i put it on bath scales as its filling...do not overfill especially in the summer when temps are very hi for a long time,we fill our tanks to 75% due to expansion the bigger bottles come with a valve and a contents gauge (flogas)...however you can buy a regulator with a contents gauge as its better than nothing you hasve to rely on the accuracy and the valve is far better.If you did overfill you take off the hose on the regulator and open the regulator valve (making sure you are a long way from any sparks or flames etc.....but its best not to overfill in the first place.
@@neilp7024 thank you for the info and reply
I was hoping to see an easy way of getting ~70kg(?) back into the car without damaging the paintwork
or your heart ;)
My gas bottle is 3.9kg calor gas bottle. Am I right in thinking it’s roughly 7Litres I put in?
I have two 13s in my motor home I fill up at the petrol station it costs £15 each to exchange it costs £32 per bottle so I’m saving over 50% and I’ve been doing this over ten years and contrary to public belief it is not illegal ,this bullshit was put out by cal or as they don’t want people saving money
Someone's going to drop a bollock one day !
The number you're pointing at (33.4) is the Tare (Empty cylinder weight) not it's contents weight. As you stated at the start the gas weight is 47kg. At least the number you're working on is lower than 47kg. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
This is true, however, the more weight the cylinder has, the bigger it is and the more gas it can hold. There is a direct correlation between the tare and the gas capacity. Although he has the details wrong, the math he was using was correct.
@@spudhead169 Not true. The tare weights vary depending on the thickness of the steel used in construction. Older cylinders can weigh almost twice the amount of modern ones.
Even if 33.4 kg x 2 litres = 66.8 litres
80% from 66.8 = 6.68 x 8litres = 53.44 litres
53.44 litres it is 80% from 66.8 litres
Came back to school
BOMB-astic Video :D :D:D
This cannister can be loaded up to 108ltrs
@@ukaszskup9045 i thought 1kg =1 litre?
Even google tells me that..if this is true..has this bloke reached Uranus yet?
What happens when you get distracted and you overfill the cylinder? How do you ensure that the cylinder gets it's regular pressure tests?
33.4 kg x 2 litres = 66.8 litres
80% from 66.8 = 6.68 x 8litres = 53.44 litres
53.44 litres it is 80% from 66.8 litres
Came back to school
BOMB-astic Video :D :D:D
Weigh it and let some out . Do it outside in an open area. This guy has already stated how to work it out.
i would rather have an exchanged unit , only because its checked over for cracks and the saftey valve replaced more often , working safe with gas is key
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Thanks great help brilliant video nice simple and to the point well done
That's a flogas bottle it's a rented bottle and it's illegal to fill it at a pump .it's regarded as theft .but the video is good I learned from it so thank you. If you try to fill it the cashier will hit the red button to stop and hope she/he doesn't report you or you may be prosecuted
First check if it legal to do so = it isn't in some places as the autogas is a different mix of propane/butane to what is used in BBQ and the burners aren't designed for it.
Good video thanks.Wish it was still that price.
"As I said I've been doing this for 10 y..." KABOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
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Del boy wouldent get a look in here :)
Dear friend A serious omission you make when you attach the fitting to the bottle, you must always put a flange, you can not attach two metal surfaces without a flange, prevent any leakage ,and the numbers you see on the bottle are the tare weight of the bottle is not the weight of the content
Gas fittings NEVER have a flange, they are not permitted as they are more likely to leak.
@@spencerwilton5831 Dear friend, I am a 28 years professional lighter that what you say does not exist in any case is what we are saying here in my homeland I wish my grandfather to show you your fields
@@spencerwilton5831 it is necessary to place a plastic flange or leather flange between the pressure regulator and the bottle
Mounting - Connection:
Connect the regulator to the cylinder with its hexagon nut (left-handed) and tighten it securely with a wrench. Always have two flanges between the regulator and the bottle
@@spencerwilton5831 if there is a plastic flange and no leather on the regulator need to be replaced only when the plastic flange is cut Well to pass and watch with LPG do not play
1.56 "That's hand tight" how 5he duck can it be hand tight if you had to use a spanner.
Just so you all know, in Europe this is illegal at most stations... please inform yourselves before doing this.
33.4 kg x 2 litres = 66.8 litres
80% from 66.8 = 6.68 x 8litres = 53.44 litres
53.44 litres it is 80% from 66.8 litres
Came back to school
BOMB-astic Video :D :D:D
I'm wondering about the blue 15kg butane Calor gas bottles, is there such an adaptor to be able to fill that at a petrol station? Like someone else already said, Calor are taking the pi$$ when it comes to pricing, assuming that you can actually get them to supply you with one nowadays, due to this covid BS and the shortage of many items.
Look on eBay. They are available. Scrapyards have bottles generally.
at least the area looks deserted so he wont take anyone else with him.
Can you please confirm what difference it makes if say the bottle were half full? Do you simply open the bottle valve once the gun is connected??
Sod that if they are anything like diving air tanks the bottle will expand on every fill slowly weakening it over time that's why they need hydrostatic testing ?
There speaks a man indoctrinated with the rule of HEALTH AND FUCKING SAFETY, I bet you wear a hi vis jacket when fucking your missus!
@@rogerblackwood8815 it's his Mrs favorite role play, Wayne coming in as the H & S inspector, as he politely knocks at the bedroom door and she opens it 'Everything in order? I' ll have to check it out and certify it! '.... He also role plays as a rent collector, an insurance actuary.... How do l know this? On a separate note, I am an avid collector of home movies! 😜
Thats not a uk cylinder propane cylinders in the uk have an internal LH thread with no seal or gasket that cylinder has an external thead and would require a seal berween the adapter still the way it was horsed with the shifter might just leak a wee bit very dangerous info
There was a song that springs to mind from WW2 much beloved by the Bomb Disposal Squad Boom! Why does my heart go boom?
You said 67ltrs maximum in that bottle, then you put over 70 ltrs in. ? Also you fitted the adapter 'hand tight' with an adjustable spanner
Used to do this in Holland years ago
all the gas bottle are refillable and the 80% rule is true. but as the bottles are loaned to you and you dont technical own it garage generally wont let you fill them I have a safefill type which has a shut out valve built in.
some of them won't let you fill them either unless they are in a gas locker and are piped to a fill valve permanently fixed to the outside of the vehicle.
@Andrew Wheeldon after several complaints about being able to refill them they did a deal and trained Morrison's staff to allow filling.
when filling up in Canada and the States the Tank is put on a weight scale.. its sold by teh pound or kilograms not litres or gallons.
Calor Gas Limited has issued a safety warning following reports of unlawful and dangerous filling of its portable LPG cylinders at self-service autogas refuelling sites.
Calor has become aware of increasing numbers of people using adaptors to fill LPG cylinders from autogas dispensers. This practice is not only unlawful but also highly dangerous as there is a strong probability of leaks occurring and cylinders being overfilled.
The filling of LPG cylinders is potentially an extremely hazardous activity, and safe filling requires appropriate expertise and training of operators, use of certified equipment, safe working procedures and a safe environment. Automotive LPG filling stations incorporate safety measures to ensure the safe refuelling of vehicles but they do not include all of the necessary safety elements required for filling LPG cylinders. Furthermore, commercial LPG is supplied in two forms - propane and butane - and filling a cylinder with the wrong type of LPG can lead to serious appliance malfunction and can cause safety devices to fail.
Members of the public who refill LPG cylinders using autogas refuelling equipment not only create a serious risk to their own safety and the safety of others, but are also contravening UK Health and Safety Regulations, Weights and Measures Regulations and Consumer Safety legislation. These Regulations impose important legal duties on the site operator to ensure the safety of both their employees and members of the public. In the event of an accident as a result of this type of activity, the site operator could be liable to prosecution. Calor is therefore urging autogas refuelling site operators to be vigilant and take appropriate action to prevent the unlawful and potentially dangerous re-filling cylinders in this manner.
Incorrect in general the mark on the top , say 33.4 is the tare weight of the bottle. Has nothing to do with the capacity in litres.
For example....On filling an empty bottle it will hold say 19kg of gas plus the weight of bottle at 33.4 weight full 52.4.
Do not get confused.
Right to say do not fill past 80%.
Be very careful and overfilled propane cylinder may deliver liquid gas and be very dangerous.
Unfortunately LPG IS now +1.gbp / ltr. But still better .
I was using a 6kg for my caravan heater. Now bought ,SAFEFILL 11 kg cost 20gbl to fill better than 38.00 Many places dont like you using regular red tank but Ive never been stopped.
Unfortunately in Wales many petrol stations not selling LPG Tanks empty as say not enough demand. Pity.
What petrol station did you do that in because they won't let me in my local petrol station in Drogheda
These operations are strictly forbidden in Italy: due to taxes, if you are seen by "Guardia di finanza" (taxation police) you can be fined up to € 10.000. You can laugh at that, we've got only left to cry.
Iv just filled my 47kg at Asda but it only filled to 20 litres then shut off. It was also very slow to fill up. Any idea as to the problem.
Thank you Adam for your precious info,
kind regards,
Marco
Just buy a forklift LPG cylinder. Those have the automatic cut off and release valves and are also much lighter than the steel ones. This is not allowed in my country the Netherlands. It says on all LPG pumps. "bottle refill not allowed" Watching this video I can see why. This bottle has rust on it with no safety valves....
A forklift bottle is designed to expel liquid gas to run an engine not vapor to run heating and cooking. You will get into all sorts of dangerous grief if you connect a forklift bottle to a caravan!
@@andrewwheeldon3027 You will need a pressure reducer in between. Forklifts also have a vacuum driven pressure reducer before lpg enters the engine. It's also called a gas vaporizer sometimes.
Thank you very much my friend
Hi mate, great video, hey just wondering can the cylinder be on its side when filling? or does it have to be upright?
Thanks, I'd like to give that a go!!
They need to be kept upright
Please tell me, can you use LPG inside in a heater where you would normally use Butane???
how can i do this for Portuguese gas canisters? There are so many different ones here... maybe its just easier if I change the fitting at the appliance i want .Where to get that fitting?
Why is the nozzle positioned upside down on the pump? Also, what is that piece of wood doing on that pump?
They've wedged the fill button so they don't have to hold it.
@@drsquirrel00 But this still does not explain why the nozzle is positioned upside down on the pump.
@@rayw2707 You asked 2 questions, I answered 1.
In other words its a left hand thread.
Wonder what dude punched to bust his hand? + nice nose breathing. LOLS. ~ Brian
I am in the USA, isn't their a vent that should be creaked open when you are filling the bottle. We do have in the USA.
Yes, there's a safety valve that has to be pushed in by the connection, simply turning the tap/valve will not release gas.
@@Phil-Sands In the UK only Liquid take off tanks that use a "Rego" connector have a valve that's pushed in, standard vapour take off tanks don't although SOME have excess flow devices so if the hose ruptures the gas will shut off (and you'll probably hear a click when it happens) the valve is reset by turning the cylinder valve off and on again. I've only come across excess flow valves a couple of times and I use a LOT of Propane doing large flame systems for special effects.
very informative but you should always use proper gloves when working with lps ..
Very great presentation ! John, please let me know where to buy the first small adapter European Canister / Bayonet Autogas. I have found on-line several adapters, but no the right one. Thanks in advance to John or another friend who will help me to find a market on-line.
Go online to their shop or call Tinley Tech. All bottles (non Calor) should have an automatic shut off valve & a pressure release valve. This video is inviting dangerous methods
dietermeister for gas bottle refill adaptors
Didn't think the petrol stationmaster would encourage this as bottles don't gave a saggy cut off value
Sainsbury's @ Taunton Somerset M5 J25 WERE £0.59p / Litre👍
Have Just STOPPED Selling L.P.Gas
WHY ? Good Question,
They Used to Sell So Much They Were Empty Half the Time,
So Sad 😢
Can a butane gas be put to lie down and still work good.
??? hmm strange, in Canada and the States, you can refill then why is it different where you are?
Can you fill your lpg car from gas cannister ?
They have been doing this in the outback in Australia for years
They do a lot of illegal stuff in the outback. It's why so many bogans and ferals live out there.
BIG savings on LPG as bottle suppliers have taken the piss with their prices.
Eg. 11KG patio FloGas £49 cylinder exchange. or refill it for 22l x £0.75 ppl x 80% = £13.20
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Just out of interest the 47kg weight already allows for an 80% fill. So you can put 92 litres in (1kg is slightly less than 2l). But as stated there is no saving, lots of unnecessary effort, parts to buy and an early meeting with an undertaker involved.
Gas refilling starts at 4:09
It is illegal to fill any cylinder that you don’t own and by own I mean you bought it outright. It is also important that the cylinder is in test. The next question I would be asking if this all goes wrong whose insurance is paying out for the property damage and any potential loss of life. There is a reason these things have property of and only to be filled by ……………. Because they have the insurance the proper equipment and the legal responsibility to ensure the thing is in test.
33.4 kg is the weight of the metal cylinder nothing to do with the gas in it, sometimes its stamped on a silver disc around the neck and can be in pounds and ounces!
Exactly. So based on that and calculating the empty bottle you can then find out that 80% safety line will give you roughly 48lt or 52 lt BUT CERTAINLY NOT 70lt
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@@g18210 Για αναλυση σκασε 80 ευρα και μετα συζηταμε το ποιος ειπε μαλακια...
@@dkaloupis75 Dimitris Kaloupis Ok, the number he is pointing at 33.4 is called the tare weight or empty weight. 47kg is the net weight or gas weight. Empty cylinder weighs 33.4 kg and full cylinder weighs 33.4 + 47 = 80.4kg.
47kg is 47 x 1.96 = 92 litres lpg with 80% safety margin included.
Cylinder at 100 % probably holds 110 litres but that is not safe as liquid can get into gas lines and appliances go up in flames, i know i tried it on purpose to see what happened.. outdoors ofcourse.
What hes doing is not worth it as hes underfilling and a new cylinder delivered to your door is the same price without the hassle and danger, contact some gas suppliers they can supprise you with their price.
It is worthwhile filling small cylinders like this because the are comparatively more expensive.
@@andrewbancroft6174 and again...gas at a petrol station will have in the mix around 70-75% propane and 25-30%buttane and liquid inside is someting you cannot avoid by all means, so can you do the maths now?
What do you connect it to to heat your home and warm water?
I didn’t know they allowed this !.
I've carried out inspections at an lpg bottle filling station.. all the bottles were inspected.. earthed.. special coupler with bleed vent.. flame proof overalls.. why .. its called a bleve...boiling liquid evaporating liquid explosion.. and 45 kg cylinder would take out windows for a quarter of a mile..
Why not have a cigarette as well while you’re waiting for it to fill?
Why, do you do that when you fill up your car too
its so easy, but can you refil the small ones
Refilling gas bottles on garage forecourts is against forecourt regulations and is illegal. When I was a manager in the Lpg industry, trading standard told me of this problem.
Where do you get these has bottles filled? Other than the petrol station...
So are they safe to fill on its side.
There is 92L in a 47kg cylinder. At the price you are paying its around £65 to fill your cylinder up the last 47GK cylinder I had (6 weeks ago) was £62 delivered to my door(and there are cheaper places).. is it really worth it?
The safety valve built into the gas bottle convinces me that this method of filling is totally safe and a godsend for campers traveling around Europe. Sign me up! Brilliant video thanks.
I'm used to the tanks in the US that had a bleed valve and an overfill prevention device. Open the bleed valve, connect the hose, turn on the pump. When it's full(80%) the OPD will kick and stop te pump. Close the bleed valve, disconnect and you are done. The larger tanks don't have an OPD, but you can guage by the vent . Solid stream of propane? It's full to 80%. I filled tanks for customers at my work all day. TBH, it's probably safer than petrol to pump.
Does the the filling station actually let you do it though? every one I have visited has been plastered with notices DO NOT FILL CANNISTERS
LPG is a rip off in the UK we pay less than half that per litre in Australia
Good vid thanks for posting
OK so is it correct that a 13kg bottle can take 24litres of LPG?
What about those camping gas bottles, could I refill mine?
Is that here in the UK ? didn't know you could that
how did you stop that pump
Much safer to exchange you empty for a full one at a dealer IMHO
Yes and be loads of money it's up to you money in your pocket or there's 😯
Wow good video wear can I get one of them kits from
The tanks we have have a small device in them to prevent over-filling, Not that i think one should rely on theses, Nice to know anyhow.
not in uk
golden stuff..
So he just paid £49.22 to fill it when you can get a full one delivered for £50.00 and you know the metal has been tested recently and is still safe!
£69.90 is now much the last bottle cost and I believe thats the cheaper supplier
Where is it £50 delivered.
Please I need to know???
coz it sure as he'll ain' as cheap here
The bottles are made out of 3mm ish steel , a quick visual inspection for rust on any seem the brass threads and valve are good order, check for corrosion dents n dings that could potentially compromise the bottles integrity, trust in your own judgement, I have cut up many of these for different projects .
After they have been purged /filled to overflowing with water very good steel to work with.
If you have any doubts regarding your own competence in engineering or smiting,
further education would be a distinct advantage.
Observing relivent health and safety practice / guidelines ish .
@@semajekrad6922 You need to buy it from suppliers that provide it to industry, they will always rip off those not in the know, same with anything, if you know where you can always get everything cheaper, it's like going to a shed for timber, your local timber warehouse would be about 50% of the price. I just checked, our fuel supplier is £50.25 for a 47Kg delivered - we get solid fuel from him and a local gas/welding/heating sort of place in an industrial estate charge the same. Look about, stop at a burger van if they are quiet and ask them where they get it and how much. There is and always has been a bit of a monopoly on gas and the prices are usually falsely high.
@@semajekrad6922 I suspect you are an expert you SEEM to know all about SEAMS and things. They are good heavy duty cylinders but they need to be to withstand the abuse they get and take the pressures involved safely even with slight reduction in wall thickness due to corrosion or weld damage. A full cylinder at normal ambient temperatures will vary from 50psi to about 130psi - much colder or warmer ambient temperature will result in lower or high pressures. I think a quick visual inspection would be generally acceptable however you don't know the history of the bottle and reusing it over and over cannot be as safe as having a tested cylinder being re-issued to you when you buy gas. I am a great believer in beating the system, but sometimes it is just not worth it and when stupid people get involved in things like this it can become downright lethal.
@@peterpeterson9903 A wise precaution would be to get a fresh brand new tube of gas in the very first instance from suppliers, the brass fitting should be sound, more or less unused you will then know the history of the cylinder.
I dare say there are those who's capacity to perform such a procedure would be in some doubt .
Living with gas cylinders for cooking heating, having to connect, disconnect and store repeatedly as I have to over the years it becomes 2nd nature.
It is a matter of making sound solid leak free connection's, treat the tubes with the respect they deserve. Refilling tubes of gas is much like filling a car on lpg
Of course there are thoes who will no doubt be entered for a Darwin award.
Thankfully we have a Fire service an NHS for thoes who don't quite qualify for the Darwin award and will live on with the consequences as a sage reminder regarding a misadventure due to an oversight with lpg or some other such substance .
Do a risk assessment
Use the correct spanners
Do not attempt pissed or stoned, or with two fists of thumbs or if you have a history of bad luck & or accidents.
47kg is the amount of Propane the bottle holds filled to 80%, as Autogas in the UK is 100% propane that equates to 92.12 litres so looking at the price per litre on the pump would cost you £64.39 to fill it to 80%. That is probably about the price of an exchange bottle. The smaller the bottle the bigger the savings, just not on that one.
You would be hard pressed to "Only Pay" £64.39 for an exchange bottle more like closer to £95.
John .Mitch I only paid £57.60 (47kg) delivered to my door from calor
Would you please gives us the tel number of the order line
John .Mitch Direct from Calor gas outlet mate got one last week
According to the color gas UK website a 13kg bottle is currently £34,50 www.calor.co.uk/shop/gas-bottles/propane-gas-bottles.html so please explain how you managed to pay £57.60 for 47 kg, Provide, which is only avialable through stockist. a ctc number to substantiate your claim or shut up
If its hand tight why you use a spanner