Great clear explanation. Went to a hardware shop today to swap a gas bottle and they told me I could only use a bottle with a POL fitting. Now all makes sense and I dont have to worry about changing house fittings. Thanks
Very clear video thanks mate. Only found out about LLC-27 today when I assembled our new external portable gas heater. We had also grabbed a new gas bottle for it from the regular swap and go area. Surprise, surprise it didn't fit! Hopefully we can swap the bottle for the LLC-27. The heater and bottle was actually bought a couple of weeks ago
Thanks. Very helpful and informative. I bought a gas bottle gauge from Bunnings today, not realising it had the LCC27 connection. It was only when I checked on line that I learned about the change from POL to LCC in 2021 and found myself suddenly pannicking, thinking that if I changed out my Swap and Go bottle it wouldn't be compatible with my BBQ, Caravan, etc. Reasuring to know that I can still connect both types.
great explanation. unfortunately my POL fitting will not fit my LCC27 cylinder. i reckon someone has borked the thread. anyway, trip to bunnings for some new gas lines.
One of my gas bottles has the LCC-27 fitting but the tap is not black as stated here in the video, it is green just like my other bottle with the POL fitting. The external coarse thread makes it obvious it is an LCC-27 fitting. This bottle was purchased from Bbq’s Galore.
Very informative. I just got a new outdoor heater with the new connection and I thought what the hell is going on here lol. Just solved my problem. Thankyou
Great explanation almost had to take out a return policy refund, now I’m stress free knowing Australia has now adapted to an American gas fitting. Now in search for an LCC 27 fitting, also definitely a lot more safer knowing that gas won’t leak if knocked. When will we adopt the same standard fitting for diving tanks where if knocked then gas pressure can not release.
That’s a good question. It’s not compatible. DO NOT TOUCH IT. The bayonet fitting is for natural gas. Gas bottles are filled with propane. The gases are different as are the delivery pressures. They have different regulators and different burners. Note this relates to Australia only. Always use a licensed gas fitter to change or adapt gas fittings wherever you are in the world. Seek their advice in the first instance
Honestly, I prefer the POL fitting. I feel they are more secure and for me have less leaks around the RV. I know the other ones are only supposed be done hand tight but sometimes to seal them tight, I've had to use channel locks, which I don't like to do.
Great video. Question... do you know if the LCC-27 is the same as the US QCC-1 fitting? They look the same... however I've seen there are different POL standards around the world!
The POL connector has a nitrile rubber seal on the tip. I can't see any form of seal on the LCC27. How does the LCC27 regulator seal to an LCC valve? And how does the POL regulator seal to the LCC27 valve? Edit to add: The original POL connector did not have a seal and used metal on metal but quite quickly manufacturers found it was prone to leak so they added a variety of rubber seals; settling on the bullnose and oring variety. Will Australia need to go through the same discovery process?
I mean this with all sincerity, but if you are asking that question I would strongly recommend that you seek the assistance of a gas fitter/plumber to help you. If you are not familiar with how to change a gas fitting then you might create a situation where gas could leak from the fittings and cause a fire. Incorrectly installed gas fittings account for a large proportion of injuries from gas operated appliances. FYI gas hoses with regulator, pressure gauge, and LCC27 fittings are sold as a complete unit from camping stores and hardware stores
No. As far as I know LCC27 fittings will not be applied to the smaller camping style gas bottles. LCC27 fittings will be progressively fitted to the “leisure series” bottles such as the 4-5kg and 9 kg bottles like those typically available through gas bottle swap outlets. This only applies to Australia.
@@FormanddesignAu thanks for that, I do have 2 x 9kilos and one 3 kilos, I meanly use the 3 Kilo one till it runs out , then change to 9 kilos till I fill the 3 kilos. They very new, will keep for now.
Be warned that these adaptors do not provide the additional safety that the LCC27 bottle fitting provides. The safety valve is not included in the adaptors. Also if purchasing one of these adaptors make sure you are buying a POL to LCC27 adaptor and not the American QCC adaptors. It’s just a whole lot easier and safer to swap your bottle for an LCC27 bottle through one of the bottle swap outlets. They’ll happily swap your own bottle for one of theirs.
Hello and thanks! I see UK, Aus and also here in Sweden we have LH 5/8 POL connectors. UK and Sweden are not the same. How about Aus POL. Is it same as UK or Sweden?
I'll duplicate the response to your previous comment here. "Firstly, I'm only talking about Australian standards. It's impossible to tell where you are from without you identifying your country. If you are not from Australia this does not apply to you. If you are from Australia, I think that you are referring to small bbq's or camping stoves typically purchased from camping shops. If this is the case, then you can find these smaller items supplied with a simple black hose and a hex shaped coupling on the end which is not at all like the the POL or LCC27 fitting in the video. In that case the video is not for you and should ignore it. If you do have the smaller bbq/camping stove with the simpler fitting then these fittings are designed for very small gas bottles of 2kg or less, not the 5 to 9 kg bottles referred to in the video. I hope that helps."
If in doubt, get a licensed gas fitter. It’s always good practice to check the integrity of any gas fitting, new or old, by using soapy water around the fitting. If it bubbles then the fitting is not safe. The fitting needs to be under internal pressure (ie gas flowing through) for the test to be valid.
Question to anyone here! I have an old tank, old valve system, its full, I bought an adapter for it, but my new grill hose conection only works on the new tanks. How I go about to use the lp gas that its in the old tank! Hate to waste it opening the valve to air it out. Finding an old grill and remove the hoses and install on the new grill, just to use the gas in the old tank?
The following comments are specific to AUSTRALIAN gas bottle systems only! The new LCC27 system on your new BBQ is safer than the older POL fittings. Also if you are using an older POL bottle it might be out of date and could be dangerous with prolonged use. You might be better off investigating gas bottle swapping systems through petrol stations and hardware stores. Check out this article from ELGAS www.elgas.com.au/disposal-recycling-lpg-gas-bottles-cylinders/
@@FormanddesignAu I understand all that you said! I just want to use the full tank that I have, not to waste the gas, than recycle the tank. I have the new ones, and use them on my new grill. Maybe I wasn't clear enough explaining my question. Thanks any way!
Instead of looking for and purchasing an adaptor, consider either buying or swapping your bottle. The new valve assemblies accommodate both POL and LCC27 fittings
"Everyone" might be an exaggeration. Firstly, I'm only talking about Australian standards. It's impossible to tell where you are from without you identifying your country. If you are not from Australia this does not apply to you. If you are from Australia, I think that you are referring to small bbq's or camping stoves typically purchased from camping shops. If this is the case, then you can find these smaller items supplied with a simple black hose and a hex shaped coupling on the end which is not at all like the the POL or LCC27 fitting in the video. In that case the video is not for you and should ignore it. If you do have the smaller bbq/camping stove with the simpler fitting then these fittings are designed for very small gas bottles of 2kg or less, not the 5 to 9 kg bottles referred to in the video. I hope that helps.
Oh good. I am sailing from Los Angeles NEWCASTLE THEN to NELSONS BAY. so that means I dont have to replace THE american propane tanks. I CAN STILL GET. THE 11KG FIBERGLASS TANKS FILLED.
Wow next you actually might drive onbl the right hand side of the road. Then i can bring out my 2024 Dodge Ram 3500 and my 2023 Dodge Challenger out there. A d wont have to chabge it from left to right hand drive.
Not really. You'll get a safer bottle and you can simply swap your bottle (even if you own it, for a pre-filled and checked bottle) at a petrol station that uses Swap-n-Go or other bottle swap systems. It's hardly onerous and you don't have to wait around for someone to fill your bottle.
So glad to hear it still has the internal thread on new bottles.
Thanks for making this video! I wasn’t sure whether my old connection would work but you answered that straight away! 👍
You’re welcome. I’m glad it helped
Great clear explanation. Went to a hardware shop today to swap a gas bottle and they told me I could only use a bottle with a POL fitting. Now all makes sense and I dont have to worry about changing house fittings. Thanks
Glad it helped
Very clear video thanks mate. Only found out about LLC-27 today when I assembled our new external portable gas heater. We had also grabbed a new gas bottle for it from the regular swap and go area. Surprise, surprise it didn't fit! Hopefully we can swap the bottle for the LLC-27. The heater and bottle was actually bought a couple of weeks ago
You’re welcome. I’m glad it helped
Thanks for the info on the lpg gas fittings Great clear explanation
You’re welcome
Well said... You saved me time and negated confusion.
I’m glad it helped
Thanks. Very helpful and informative. I bought a gas bottle gauge from Bunnings today, not realising it had the LCC27 connection. It was only when I checked on line that I learned about the change from POL to LCC in 2021 and found myself suddenly pannicking, thinking that if I changed out my Swap and Go bottle it wouldn't be compatible with my BBQ, Caravan, etc. Reasuring to know that I can still connect both types.
Glad it helped
Excellent explanation of the changes. Thank you for posting.
Thanks
great explanation. unfortunately my POL fitting will not fit my LCC27 cylinder. i reckon someone has borked the thread. anyway, trip to bunnings for some new gas lines.
I thought i need to change my regulator.Thankyou for saving my time
You're welcome. Thanks for your comment
Thanks for the very thorough explanation!
You’re welcome
Thanks for the clear information about the types..
I'm glad it was helpful
Thank you for your info. Fast forward to Set 2023 and maybe less than 10 years. There is push to eliminate gas usage all together.
One of my gas bottles has the LCC-27 fitting but the tap is not black as stated here in the video, it is green just like my other bottle with the POL fitting. The external coarse thread makes it obvious it is an LCC-27 fitting. This bottle was purchased from Bbq’s Galore.
Very informative. I just got a new outdoor heater with the new connection and I thought what the hell is going on here lol. Just solved my problem. Thankyou
Glad it helped
Cheers Andrew, thanks mate for clearing things up !
Happy to help
Very good explanation and demo. Thanks
Glad you liked it
Great video, cleared up questions i had to WTF was going on when replacing a bottle today
Glad it helped
Great explanation almost had to take out a return policy refund, now I’m stress free knowing Australia has now adapted to an American gas fitting. Now in search for an LCC 27 fitting, also definitely a lot more safer knowing that gas won’t leak if knocked. When will we adopt the same standard fitting for diving tanks where if knocked then gas pressure can not release.
thank you for your excellent explanation.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks a million mate
You have explained that brilliantly 🏆🏆
No problem 👍
Thanks did the clear explanation 👍
No problem 👍
thanks mate, just heard it has changed to lcc27 😁, thanks for sharing
No problem 👍
Thank you for your very clear response.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent instruction: thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
great video, thank you
You are welcome!
Thanks Andrew
You’re welcome
Thank you for my propane education.
Thanks for sharing 🙏👍
Welcome 👍
Thanks I need a new bottle for my new furnace 😭
Thanks for detailed explanation.
What’s the option with old floor bayonet inlet?
Should it be changed by a licensed plumber or I can change it myself?
That’s a good question. It’s not compatible. DO NOT TOUCH IT. The bayonet fitting is for natural gas. Gas bottles are filled with propane. The gases are different as are the delivery pressures. They have different regulators and different burners. Note this relates to Australia only. Always use a licensed gas fitter to change or adapt gas fittings wherever you are in the world. Seek their advice in the first instance
Honestly, I prefer the POL fitting. I feel they are more secure and for me have less leaks around the RV. I know the other ones are only supposed be done hand tight but sometimes to seal them tight, I've had to use channel locks, which I don't like to do.
Great video. Question... do you know if the LCC-27 is the same as the US QCC-1 fitting? They look the same... however I've seen there are different POL standards around the world!
I really don’t know. I was only commenting on the Australian situation. I believe that the Australian fittings are unique to Australia
Thread size might differ but it is the same concept as American qcc1 gas cylinder fittings.
No there is a small difference in the shape of the brass cone so the AU version was unique
Thanks
Thank you
The POL connector has a nitrile rubber seal on the tip. I can't see any form of seal on the LCC27. How does the LCC27 regulator seal to an LCC valve? And how does the POL regulator seal to the LCC27 valve?
Edit to add: The original POL connector did not have a seal and used metal on metal but quite quickly manufacturers found it was prone to leak so they added a variety of rubber seals; settling on the bullnose and oring variety. Will Australia need to go through the same discovery process?
Thank you for solving all my questions of BBQ in AU
Happy to help!
I just picked up a new POL fitting for my tank and for some reason I can’t get it to release any gas using this new fitting. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
How do you fit a pressure guage to the new fitting
I mean this with all sincerity, but if you are asking that question I would strongly recommend that you seek the assistance of a gas fitter/plumber to help you. If you are not familiar with how to change a gas fitting then you might create a situation where gas could leak from the fittings and cause a fire. Incorrectly installed gas fittings account for a large proportion of injuries from gas operated appliances. FYI gas hoses with regulator, pressure gauge, and LCC27 fittings are sold as a complete unit from camping stores and hardware stores
how about the small gas bottle the 3 kilo? will they make one with LCC 27?
No. As far as I know LCC27 fittings will not be applied to the smaller camping style gas bottles. LCC27 fittings will be progressively fitted to the “leisure series” bottles such as the 4-5kg and 9 kg bottles like those typically available through gas bottle swap outlets. This only applies to Australia.
@@FormanddesignAu thanks for that, I do have 2 x 9kilos and one 3 kilos, I meanly use the 3 Kilo one till it runs out , then change to 9 kilos till I fill the 3 kilos. They very new, will keep for now.
Thanks for the info 👍. I thought my son got the wrong bottle for my weber Q? Cheers 👍
POL TO LCC27 adaptors are available too
Be warned that these adaptors do not provide the additional safety that the LCC27 bottle fitting provides. The safety valve is not included in the adaptors. Also if purchasing one of these adaptors make sure you are buying a POL to LCC27 adaptor and not the American QCC adaptors. It’s just a whole lot easier and safer to swap your bottle for an LCC27 bottle through one of the bottle swap outlets. They’ll happily swap your own bottle for one of theirs.
Hello and thanks!
I see UK, Aus and also here in Sweden we have LH 5/8 POL connectors. UK and Sweden are not the same. How about Aus POL. Is it same as UK or Sweden?
Thanks for your comment. I have to admit that I really don’t know the answer to your question.
Perfect gas
What about the 2 burner they come with a black hose and that's it
I'll duplicate the response to your previous comment here.
"Firstly, I'm only talking about Australian standards. It's impossible to tell where you are from without you identifying your country. If you are not from Australia this does not apply to you. If you are from Australia, I think that you are referring to small bbq's or camping stoves typically purchased from camping shops. If this is the case, then you can find these smaller items supplied with a simple black hose and a hex shaped coupling on the end which is not at all like the the POL or LCC27 fitting in the video. In that case the video is not for you and should ignore it. If you do have the smaller bbq/camping stove with the simpler fitting then these fittings are designed for very small gas bottles of 2kg or less, not the 5 to 9 kg bottles referred to in the video. I hope that helps."
Tnx u saved my gas from escaping
Do you need a licensed gas fitter to change the hoses over? I i know it's easy but i don't want to give the insurance co. a way out
If in doubt, get a licensed gas fitter. It’s always good practice to check the integrity of any gas fitting, new or old, by using soapy water around the fitting. If it bubbles then the fitting is not safe. The fitting needs to be under internal pressure (ie gas flowing through) for the test to be valid.
Question to anyone here! I have an old tank, old valve system, its full, I bought an adapter for it, but my new grill hose conection only works on the new tanks. How I go about to use the lp gas that its in the old tank! Hate to waste it opening the valve to air it out. Finding an old grill and remove the hoses and install on the new grill, just to use the gas in the old tank?
The following comments are specific to AUSTRALIAN gas bottle systems only! The new LCC27 system on your new BBQ is safer than the older POL fittings. Also if you are using an older POL bottle it might be out of date and could be dangerous with prolonged use. You might be better off investigating gas bottle swapping systems through petrol stations and hardware stores. Check out this article from ELGAS
www.elgas.com.au/disposal-recycling-lpg-gas-bottles-cylinders/
@@FormanddesignAu I understand all that you said! I just want to use the full tank that I have, not to waste the gas, than recycle the tank. I have the new ones, and use them on my new grill. Maybe I wasn't clear enough explaining my question. Thanks any way!
Can you get an adapter in case you're camping and forget ?
Instead of looking for and purchasing an adaptor, consider either buying or swapping your bottle. The new valve assemblies accommodate both POL and LCC27 fittings
Must be a heap of ppl including me that have been caught out upgrading their bbq. Off to the the server to swap to a newer fitting bottle. 😮💨
Just bought new barbecue . Where Is the seal Ring
I’m not sure what you are referring to. Perhaps you’re question would be better directed to where you purchased the bbq from
So why is everyone selling gas burners with just a black hose.
"Everyone" might be an exaggeration. Firstly, I'm only talking about Australian standards. It's impossible to tell where you are from without you identifying your country. If you are not from Australia this does not apply to you. If you are from Australia, I think that you are referring to small bbq's or camping stoves typically purchased from camping shops. If this is the case, then you can find these smaller items supplied with a simple black hose and a hex shaped coupling on the end which is not at all like the the POL or LCC27 fitting in the video. In that case the video is not for you and should ignore it. If you do have the smaller bbq/camping stove with the simpler fitting then these fittings are designed for very small gas bottles of 2kg or less, not the 5 to 9 kg bottles referred to in the video. I hope that helps.
Oh good. I am sailing from Los Angeles NEWCASTLE THEN to NELSONS BAY. so that means I dont have to replace THE american propane tanks. I CAN STILL GET. THE 11KG FIBERGLASS TANKS FILLED.
Wow next you actually might drive onbl the right hand side of the road. Then i can bring out my 2024 Dodge Ram 3500 and my 2023 Dodge Challenger out there. A d wont have to chabge it from left to right hand drive.
Pain in the ass, new appliane means new bottle as well
Not really. You'll get a safer bottle and you can simply swap your bottle (even if you own it, for a pre-filled and checked bottle) at a petrol station that uses Swap-n-Go or other bottle swap systems. It's hardly onerous and you don't have to wait around for someone to fill your bottle.
lifesaver :) thankyou!
Glad it helped!
Thanks
No problem