Thanks Randy! It's definitely another one and you're right, chicks dig scars! I just wish this one had a better story, like a knife fight in a bar or something😂😂😂 Thanks for watching Randy and take care!
Thanks for sharing your story Jeff. I'm glad that you were not hurt worse. Safety is always important and should be the first thing in our minds when doing anything in the shop. You are correct, the right tool certainly would have helped. Maybe Mechanics Gloves may have save you from injury. Although I do not where them as much as I should. I will also say where eye protection, the shards of that bit could be bad for eyes also. Glad that you are ok. Have a great day. Take care, Ed.
Thanks Ed! It certainly was complacency and stupidity on my part, I knew better! I had my Mechanix Gloves on top of my toolbox just like I had a T55 torx bit there too. For a lot of us old school guys like you and I, gloves (or even safety gear such as eye protection), were not always worn or a top priority back in the day. I got in a hurry, cut corners and paid the price. The good part about it for me is that I have learned and won't repeat these stupid mistakes again. Thanks for watching Ed and have a great week!
As a mechanic, I can tell you that Torx bits are actually superior to Allen heads even on brake calipers. The problem lies in the fact that you attempted to use leaf springs as a perch as well as the improper bit and a damaged tool. What you should have done was put the brake caliper back onto the truck at the axel, then used the correct Trox bit and an undamaged long handled breaker bar. Mind you I’ve been working on cars and trucks for nearly 40 years, and done hundreds of brake jobs and I can tell you that Torx bits do not force you to use the improper tools to do the job. Getting in a hurry is what forces you to use the improper tools, as well as to use worn out tools. Some times it is better to take your truck in and let a professional do the job.
Yep, I fully agree with the torx head being superior. There is more surface area for the wrench on them than any other fastener that I have ever seen. It is pretty obvious that they are here to stay as torx are big on european cars too. Europe even uses tamper proof torx hardware on these cars, which is a real puzzle to me! Tamper proof torx heads, to me, have no business being used in automotive applications as it will cause you to push these hollow bits past their limitations. I should not have purchased them and have no idea why Autozone sells more tamper proof torx than solid torx on their shelves! Getting lazy and putting the caliper on the spring was really dumb on my part too, I really should have taken 2 steps back and bolted it back onto the axle but, I paid the price for that one! Even worse was not getting a good view of what type of head the pins were and assuming they were Allen Head (we all know what assume means). Accidents like these are usually a series of dumb events that lead to an accident like this. You are spot on with everything here except your last statement, at least in my case. I would buy an electric vehicle and vote democrat before I'd ever take my truck into a shop for a brake job. It ain't happening! Thanks for watching!
When you're in a hurry, you can make mistakes. I would've remounted the caliper but loosely to gain leverage. We all make mistakes. I've messed up before luckily didn't injure myself too badly. Caught myself from those situations cause I think of the worst possible situation. then I slow my roll and make it safe. Glad you healed and thanks for sharing your experience. Says alot about your character. 👍 Treat yourself to a new breaker bar and a cheater pipe schedule 8. Best tools you can buy.
Thank you David! All very good points! Remounting the caliper would have really been the way it needed to be done, like you said. I will have to get a nice, longer breaker bar and duplicate my Dad's really cool cheater pipe....oh, and ditch the tamper proof torx bits! Thanks for watching and for the great words of encouragement!
As much as I hate going to the ER in the middle of a home project I take every precaution possible with safety to prevent any injuries my number one item is cowhide thick gloves that have kept me stitch free for decades, face shield or safety glasses with side guards that have kept my eyes safe last time in ER was in 1976 with eye FOD. Guys make a habit of using safety gear get used to it and enjoy working at home!
Great points and getting used to the gear early has been a great help to you and kept you out of the ER. With the 35 years I had on the fire dept., I should have known better. I use my thick Mechanix Gloves that were actually my original standard issue gloves I used in the FD for auto extrication. They work great and I should have had them on when this happened! Thanks for watching!
Thanks GiveBlood! Even if I end up with egg on my face (or in this case, 6 stitches and a big ER bill), it was all in vain unless I share my stupidy with others hoping they won't end up in the same spot! We always did critiques in the fire dept after an incident to learn from them, both good and bad! As embarrassing as this one was, I hope it keeps at least one person from getting hurt! Thanks for watching and I hope you guys have a great weekend!
@giveblood8467 I wished this 2001 had Allen head bolts on it! I have never seen a hollow Allen Head wrench or socket but, there are too many hollow torx bits (security bits) being sold today!
Ouch! That must have hurt, hand injuries are the worst. Glad your injury wasn’t super serious and glad you had a back up mechanic to help you finish your truck. Have a great weekend Jeff!
Thanks Raymond! The kid really stepped up and it was a proud parent moment for me, that's for sure! Luckily, the hand healed up back in December and I have been back focused on tri fives again and hope to be back on my tri five content with the next video! I hope your weekend is going well and take care Raymond!
Thanks buddy! I have three boys and they like helping the ol man in the garage, I think I’ve taught them well and they make me very proud as well! Looking forward to see your tri5 videos!
Well, Jeff, I remember when this happened to you a while back in you’re videos,,,just didn’t know how it happened till today, and yeah, I know about those security torque bits don’t take much to Snap!!! But sometimes you’re forced to use them bits because it’s all you have and you’re like,,it’ll work for me maybe 🤞🏼🍀😉And POOF 💨 there it goes 😵💫 don’t feel alone we all take those stupid shortcuts because desperate people do desperate things and it bites us in the you know what (.) 🤬 here I thought a while back it was a rear drum spring that got you !!🤢 we all got our book of mistakes. We’ve done repairing something ,,Just Thank God some are smaller than others, and those are the ones we can laugh at,, and we learn from 😢 Good follow up video Jeff !!! And what do they always say,,, some chicks dig scars 🔪😍😍😵💫😂😂😂
Thanks Big Job! Chicks do dig the scars but, we have to be real careful not to tell them how stupid we were in getting them! I have pushed the envelope very far in the past as we all have with the wrong tool and most of the time we skated by! This one caught up with me and not only left the scar but, a nice ER bill too! Oh well! Like you say, write it up in our "personal book of mistakes". I have definitely filed this one in the "Live and Learn File". Thanks for watching and have a great weekend!
Its refreshing to see someone admit a fault they done, and most impressive is you made a video to help others out...I had no idea about the different types of torque bits that are made. Thanks for the tip! If our own government and politicians could have ever been like you, we would have a great nation again 😏
Thank you very much for the kind words Mr. Woodz! I worked for the fire dept for 35 years and we put safety first. If someone got hurt, we all talked about it, so it didn't get one of us hurt again. We all took our ribbing from the guys but, each of us had been in the hot seat ourselves at some point in our careers. In my book, the best way to deal with a screw up was to own it, learn from it and move on. Thanks for watching and thank you for the kind words! Take care!
Sorry that happened buddy. I agree why did they use torques bit. I’ve always answered those questions by there was engineer that had to much time on there hands to think up these dumb things. In all my different careers I’ve had to deal with engineers and I’ve came across some clowns 🤡. I’m glad your ok and thanks for sharing. Have a good one ✌️😎👍
Thanks Kevin! My kid has started Engineer Schooling and I told him to start in a machine shop first to learn to build a part before you design one. He has done exactly that and I think the engineers who have no mechanical background, unlike my son, will be those guys that we are later cursing at because of their poor designs! The hollow security torx bit certainly has no needed application in the automotive industry! It was my mistake for using a hollow torx security bit and pushing it past its limitations! I need to be smarter than the tool next time and pick the proper tool for the job! Thanks for watching Kevin and have a great weekend!
Yeah Jeff, it’s a bummer you got hurt, but if it’s any consolation we have all pushed on a wrench when we should have pulled and skin is soft compared to metal, we can all learn from this, take the time to use the right tool for the job, don’t think GM is changing the pin, that made my butt hurt lol, thanks for sharing, not everyone would do that, catch you soon my friend 😀😀
Thanks Mike! This was a tough one on whether or not to post. I am getting back to the meat and potatoes tri five stuff but, this one had good lessons learned that worked well to share with everyone while I wait for backordered parts. Luckily, the kid bought Allen Head replacement pins from O'Reilly's so I won't have flashbacks when I have it apart next time...😂😂😂 Thanks for watching and keep up the great work you do on your channel! Take care!
I don't like any of these types of fasteners. I prefer the good old fashion "hex" bolts. 1 - you can get on them with a socket. 2 - they don't fill with crud so you strip them even with the right tool. 3 - if they do get stripped, I can still get them out. Those 'Torque Bits" & Allen Heads on paper, are a superior system because there is more contact area, BUT! and a HUGE BUT! if anything happens to them, they are compromised. I've broke many a Snap-On Torque & Allen (esp seat belt mounts) simple because they are gaulded into place. And don't EVEN get me started on Stainless Steel Fasteners that are of the same..... that is almost a guaranteed track down of the "Tool Truck" to get the job completed. Funny how I can get the calipers off a 1968 Mercury that's rusted on there for years with a 7/8's 6-point socket, and have the job done in minutes, but a 2008 can take all dang day to do because you break 3 bits getting that crap off there.
So, so true BR! The newer torx was a bear and obviously, getting injured without even finishing the job was not the day I had planned for that Saturday! I wished it had been a '68 Mercury I was working on that day! I wouldn't have had the scar and the ER Bill to show for it! Those Torx bits do have the most surface area but, when they are compromised like you say, you are pretty much done and it takes a ton of extra work to get them off! Those hollow security bits have no business being sold at or being used in any automotive application but, I was the dummy who got complacent, in a hurry and selected the wrong tool for the job! I paid the price for it! Luckily, the kid got a pair of vice grips on the bolt head and got them off while I was at the ER. He went to O'Reilly's and bought new slider pins too. Luckily, the new ones are Allen Heads! Thanks for watching and let me know if you are still out here or when you will be out here next! Take care brother!
Well. Yeah not a fan on torques. It's been around for a while . Spent a lot on tools junk tools are only last resort thay do fail 🤷🏽♂️ thanks for sharing. Hope the healing is fast & your back at working on breaks 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😎
Thank you Armondo! This was an expensive lesson! Luckily, I am all healed up and have already done a brake job on our Yukon Denali since. Take care, thanks again and thanks for watching!
Heat gun applied with the timid torx bolts. Those guide pins have been rapidly heat cycled millions of times, sometimes, they get really really hot. Like on a hot day with a big load in stop and go traffic, boiling the brake fluid. Your leaf spring disassembly would have worked just fine, if you would have heated the guide pins/ bracket,/caliper. Get it ouchie hot and they spin right out 99.9%. You can still buy adjustable heat guns up to 1000°f. The torx design is good, they just can't make the splines long enough or deep enough with it. Glad they saved the finger. Keep exercising it or scar tissue will turn it into a overcooked cocktail shrimp. Slipped my thumb into a spun-up electric engine fan once, once. Not good, filleted the meat right open in perfectly sliced layers on the face of my thumb. A scrub up with iodine and then electron cleansed superglue epi-pen to the rescue. I can break into any bank I want to, so long as I only use my right thumb(no print).
All very good points, except the robbing a bank part...hahaha! The heat cycles that these pins have been through, is a real good point, especially with the miles that were on them and the heavy towing the truck has done! Heat would have been a great tool to use that day but, just like the proper torx bit, gloves and the other proper tools, they were all left in the toolbox that day. Getting complacent and in too much of a hurry like I did should have been big warning flags but, I ignored them and paid for it. I agree on the torx bits not having enough depth to bite the bolt but, they still have the most surface area contact and that makes it a good design like you say. Very good points about the scar tissue too! It did try to tighten up my range of motion but, I still stretch it to keep it limber. Thanks for watching and for the great additional points!
Thanks for the reply. I also quit carrying spare tools in rigs because the shit just kept getting stolen. I don't use loctite on the caliper bolts and guide pins, use Never-seize as a pin and thread lube and crank them down. The alum dust in the neversieze will help transfer brake heat and make it easier to separate next time so long as that hardware has good threads. All that stuff gets hydroblasted with water when it rains@@hubiesgarage
Glad to see you healed up well. Two words: Mechanic's gloves. We've all been there. I"m looking at my half thumbnail growing back after smashing it in between two crescents when a flare fitting let go. just a quick tip: Harbor Freight has a ton of "shade tree" quality tools like breaker bars and 1/2" drive torx and hexhead sets you may want to consider (assuming there's one you can get to). You also mentioned a VERY important rule of thumb. ALWAYS use the right tool for the job. Great video!
Thank you Frank! Yep, all part of the series of blunders that led up to the injury...my mechanix gloves were left on top of the tool box! We have Harbor Freight locations in other nearby cities but, being impatient that day, I ran to my local Autozone. I am not sure why an auto parts store sells hollow torx bits but, supposedly, european cars such as BMW use security/tamper-proof torx hardware. The result of that is people pushing these hollow torx wrenches beyond their limitations like I did. Thanks again for watching and for the kind words!
Dang Jeff! That looks like it might have hurt a bit! Casualties of war with brakes sometimes! The torx fastners grip the tools MUCH better that an allen head does. I've lost more skin and busted knuckles with allens than I ever did with torx. The issue is the fact these clowns at the auto parts store had no business selling tamper proof bits for regular torx bits. Of course if one didn't know that there were different torx in the first place, you can't help that. But an auto parts store shouldn't be selling those, if thats where you bought them. The proper torx bits are much stronger (as they are not partially hollow) and wouldn't blow apart that easily. I much more prefer torx over allen any day. Glad to see you had survived...! Just more scars and another battle to tell stories to the grandkids about!
Thank you Oly! You brought up some very good points! I agree, the torx has a much greater surface area contact than most all other fasteners out there. The problem with the torx is how many of these hollow/security bits are out there being sold today! I can see using them in an anti vandalism or theft application. Using these torx security bits in an automotive application is just plain stupid! The fact that they sell them in an automotive store is even worse! My problem is that I am supposed to be smarter than the tool and use the proper tool for the job but, I got complacent and it cost me! I know I will continue to make mistakes in the future as is human nature but, this one won't get repeated. If it does, then I didn't learn from it this time! Thanks for watching and the encouragement Oly! It is greatly appreciated! Take care and have a great weekend!
@OlysGarage Words of wisdom, that is for sure Oly! If I had a nickel for every dumb thing I've done, I'd be a rich guy today and even richer tomorrow! Be safe out there Oly!
Dadgummit Jeff! 😮 I appreciate your sharing this with us. I also appreciate your response to the, what I would consider condescending, comment from gender skins 😂! Have a great day Brother!
Thanks Big Mike! Yep, it took a good "think" on my part on if I really wanted to post this one because you really put yourself out there! Two things I learned from the fire dept was after an incident, we critiqued everything, to go over the good and the bad so that we would learn and get better for the next time. The other was that if you screwed up, you jumped on the grenade immediately to avoid collateral damage! It was hard for the guys to tear onto you if you had already owned it! This deal was a stupid, "I should have known better", series of events that eventually bit me like a rattlesnake! The comments have really been easy on me, all things considering. The condescending one you mention will never get me brother! It warranted taking the high road and the tongue in cheek response. If I were to follow his recommendation, then I should just fold up shop and end the channel. He certainly didn't read my "about" page. There's one in every crowd...🙄🤦 Take care brother and thank you for the kind words! BTW, congrats on the Green Goblin! I have been following the videos and I really look forward to seeing you running it soon! She's a runner!
That’s just one of those freak occurrences that we don’t ever think about possibly happening when we get used to being in “the routine” I’ve moved a lot more towards compact and right angle impact wrenches because I was so bad for not looking at where my knuckles would go if a hand ratchet broke loose
Good points! I rarely use impact wrenches unless I have a lot of long, heavy bolts to break loose. This was one of those perfect storms for me because I did this repair in the driveway furthest away from my garage. I don't use battery powered tools and it would have been too much work to drag my compressor and air impact tools to the other end of the property. I definitely got lazy and complacent with, in my mind, just another "routine" brake job. Cutting corners and using the wrong tools really did me in that day but, live and learn, I will never repeat those mistakes again. Thanks for watching and mentioning some great points!
Hey Jeff, sorry to hear what happened, I've been turning wrench's since 1973 and i find it to be that over the year they have come up with all these different fastener on all the the different cars, trucks, machinery for know really reason other then to make a guy have to buy more damm tools then he really needs, it goes right back to how much of a shit hole America has become, so some a hole can make money. I have tools I had to buy and don't even use anymore since i'm out of the mechanic business, OH IT'S FOR SAFETY which is a cock of bull. Thanks for letting guys know but it's really not your fault if that would have been a regauler bolt head you proabaly would not have gotten hurt. Thanks for putting the word out about you need the right tool for todays bull on working on vehicles. I'm glad you didn't lose the finger. Later buddy be safe Tony
Thank you very much Tony! It is greatly appreciated! I hear you on all of the fastener variations and all the money you have to spend buying the tools to break them loose! The real dumb part is those security torx bits and how or why did they get so popular!? Why they are needed and why are they being sold in an automotive store is another big question! Bottom line, I screwed up, did not look at the fasteners, used the wrong tool, compromised the bolt head then picked the wrong tool again to try and get it off. It was a live and learn moment and I won't make that mistake twice! Thanks again Tony and I hope you have a great weekend!
Oh crap jeff sorry that had happened, those are alot of stitches, but I too had no idea about different torx bits, why gm uses them I have no idea, but yea man heal up and thanks for sharing, where's my gloves at! Aloha brother
Man Sonny, if I had only had my mechanix gloves that day! I got in too big of a hurry and paid the price for that one brother! I will never use a hollow or security torx unless it needs one again. Those security bits need to be kept out of the automotive applications for good! My bad that I used one! Take care Sonny and have a great weekend!
@hubiesgarage you know what's hilarious, I put my gloves on after I grinded my knuckle down to the bone with the cut off wheel, it happened so fast, but yes I guess at home it's not safety first unlike at work, live n learn have a great weekend brother Aloha
I prefer to take the calipers completely off and put em in a vise ! Just pinch off the brake hoses to keep the brake fluid from leaking out ! those bolts can be a bear to remove but i find it easier doing it that way ! Sorry bout your pinky !
Thanks Scotty! That is a great idea to separate the calipers, put them in the vise and (in my case) have all of the proper tools in my toolbox, next to the vise. I think my habit with disc brake jobs is that I never have the copper washers nor to I detach the brakelines to avoid brake fluid leaks or bleeding tehm after putting them back together. Maybe that may be better, especially in this Heavier Duty application. Luckily, my pinky healed up nicely! Thanks for watching and bringing up the good points!
My thoughts with you. ( As Landon said, my thoughts are pretty weird, but Im here as a former Mental Health carer to well wish. Remember too, there only three types of fasteners , Hexagonal, Phillips, Flat head, and 22 other mental disorders dumb funkers who are forced to make moon Landers have dreamed up. Automakers employ them guys to do impossibly hard tasks, like build and service disk brake rear ends, Hubies) 🥝✔️
Thanks Deano! It is greatly appreciated! With all of the crazy fasteners invented over the years, this one has been real kooky! I get having more surface area to grab the fastener but, the security torx bit shouldn't be more available than the solid bit is, especially in an automotive store or application! Bottom line, I got complacent, lazy and in too much of a hurry and paid the price! I knew better but, human nature seeks the easiest solution, not the correct one and I learned that the hard way! Luckily, the finger is all healed up and I back in the garage trying not to repeat any of my bad past mistakes again! Have a great weekend and thanks for watching!
Yep, years of doing this, you definitely know when you are on the ragged edge with these tools! I should have listened to that little voice saying "Stop!"
I wished this had been fixed with a band aid UP...😂😂😂! The hospital bill was waay more expensive than a band aid. My stupidity really cost me that day! Thanks for watching and have a great weekend!
Thanks for sharing and I’m glad you have no permanent injury, only a scar. Chicks dig scars! Lol😂
Thanks Randy! It's definitely another one and you're right, chicks dig scars! I just wish this one had a better story, like a knife fight in a bar or something😂😂😂 Thanks for watching Randy and take care!
@@hubiesgarage you can always say it was from a knife fight! I won’t tell!
Ouch stay safe.
Thanks Nathan! I'm trying! Have a great week and thanks for stopping by!
Thanks for sharing your story Jeff.
I'm glad that you were not hurt worse.
Safety is always important and should be the first thing in our minds when doing anything in the shop.
You are correct, the right tool certainly would have helped.
Maybe Mechanics Gloves may have save you from injury.
Although I do not where them as much as I should.
I will also say where eye protection, the shards of that bit could be bad for eyes also.
Glad that you are ok.
Have a great day.
Take care, Ed.
Thanks Ed! It certainly was complacency and stupidity on my part, I knew better! I had my Mechanix Gloves on top of my toolbox just like I had a T55 torx bit there too. For a lot of us old school guys like you and I, gloves (or even safety gear such as eye protection), were not always worn or a top priority back in the day. I got in a hurry, cut corners and paid the price. The good part about it for me is that I have learned and won't repeat these stupid mistakes again. Thanks for watching Ed and have a great week!
As a mechanic, I can tell you that Torx bits are actually superior to Allen heads even on brake calipers. The problem lies in the fact that you attempted to use leaf springs as a perch as well as the improper bit and a damaged tool. What you should have done was put the brake caliper back onto the truck at the axel, then used the correct Trox bit and an undamaged long handled breaker bar. Mind you I’ve been working on cars and trucks for nearly 40 years, and done hundreds of brake jobs and I can tell you that Torx bits do not force you to use the improper tools to do the job. Getting in a hurry is what forces you to use the improper tools, as well as to use worn out tools. Some times it is better to take your truck in and let a professional do the job.
Yep, I fully agree with the torx head being superior. There is more surface area for the wrench on them than any other fastener that I have ever seen. It is pretty obvious that they are here to stay as torx are big on european cars too. Europe even uses tamper proof torx hardware on these cars, which is a real puzzle to me! Tamper proof torx heads, to me, have no business being used in automotive applications as it will cause you to push these hollow bits past their limitations. I should not have purchased them and have no idea why Autozone sells more tamper proof torx than solid torx on their shelves! Getting lazy and putting the caliper on the spring was really dumb on my part too, I really should have taken 2 steps back and bolted it back onto the axle but, I paid the price for that one! Even worse was not getting a good view of what type of head the pins were and assuming they were Allen Head (we all know what assume means). Accidents like these are usually a series of dumb events that lead to an accident like this. You are spot on with everything here except your last statement, at least in my case. I would buy an electric vehicle and vote democrat before I'd ever take my truck into a shop for a brake job. It ain't happening! Thanks for watching!
When you're in a hurry, you can make mistakes. I would've remounted the caliper but loosely to gain leverage. We all make mistakes. I've messed up before luckily didn't injure myself too badly. Caught myself from those situations cause I think of the worst possible situation. then I slow my roll and make it safe. Glad you healed and thanks for sharing your experience. Says alot about your character. 👍 Treat yourself to a new breaker bar and a cheater pipe schedule 8. Best tools you can buy.
Thank you David! All very good points! Remounting the caliper would have really been the way it needed to be done, like you said. I will have to get a nice, longer breaker bar and duplicate my Dad's really cool cheater pipe....oh, and ditch the tamper proof torx bits! Thanks for watching and for the great words of encouragement!
As much as I hate going to the ER in the middle of a home project I take every precaution possible with safety to prevent any injuries my number one item is cowhide thick gloves that have kept me stitch free for decades, face shield or safety glasses with side guards that have kept my eyes safe last time in ER was in 1976 with eye FOD. Guys make a habit of using safety gear get used to it and enjoy working at home!
Great points and getting used to the gear early has been a great help to you and kept you out of the ER. With the 35 years I had on the fire dept., I should have known better. I use my thick Mechanix Gloves that were actually my original standard issue gloves I used in the FD for auto extrication. They work great and I should have had them on when this happened! Thanks for watching!
it does not end up to a dumb thing when you warn others. it is a positive thing.
our newest vehicle is a 1999 so we are still in the 3/8 allen bolt head age.
Thanks GiveBlood! Even if I end up with egg on my face (or in this case, 6 stitches and a big ER bill), it was all in vain unless I share my stupidy with others hoping they won't end up in the same spot! We always did critiques in the fire dept after an incident to learn from them, both good and bad! As embarrassing as this one was, I hope it keeps at least one person from getting hurt! Thanks for watching and I hope you guys have a great weekend!
@giveblood8467 I wished this 2001 had Allen head bolts on it! I have never seen a hollow Allen Head wrench or socket but, there are too many hollow torx bits (security bits) being sold today!
Ouch! That must have hurt, hand injuries are the worst. Glad your injury wasn’t super serious and glad you had a back up mechanic to help you finish your truck. Have a great weekend Jeff!
Thanks Raymond! The kid really stepped up and it was a proud parent moment for me, that's for sure! Luckily, the hand healed up back in December and I have been back focused on tri fives again and hope to be back on my tri five content with the next video! I hope your weekend is going well and take care Raymond!
Thanks buddy! I have three boys and they like helping the ol man in the garage, I think I’ve taught them well and they make me very proud as well! Looking forward to see your tri5 videos!
Well, Jeff, I remember when this happened to you a while back in you’re videos,,,just didn’t know how it happened till today, and yeah, I know about those security torque bits don’t take much to Snap!!! But sometimes you’re forced to use them bits because it’s all you have and you’re like,,it’ll work for me maybe 🤞🏼🍀😉And POOF 💨 there it goes 😵💫 don’t feel alone we all take those stupid shortcuts because desperate people do desperate things and it bites us in the you know what (.) 🤬 here I thought a while back it was a rear drum spring that got you !!🤢 we all got our book of mistakes. We’ve done repairing something ,,Just Thank God some are smaller than others, and those are the ones we can laugh at,, and we learn from 😢 Good follow up video Jeff !!! And what do they always say,,, some chicks dig scars 🔪😍😍😵💫😂😂😂
Thanks Big Job! Chicks do dig the scars but, we have to be real careful not to tell them how stupid we were in getting them! I have pushed the envelope very far in the past as we all have with the wrong tool and most of the time we skated by! This one caught up with me and not only left the scar but, a nice ER bill too! Oh well! Like you say, write it up in our "personal book of mistakes". I have definitely filed this one in the "Live and Learn File". Thanks for watching and have a great weekend!
Its refreshing to see someone admit a fault they done, and most impressive is you made a video to help others out...I had no idea about the different types of torque bits that are made. Thanks for the tip! If our own government and politicians could have ever been like you, we would have a great nation again 😏
Thank you very much for the kind words Mr. Woodz! I worked for the fire dept for 35 years and we put safety first. If someone got hurt, we all talked about it, so it didn't get one of us hurt again. We all took our ribbing from the guys but, each of us had been in the hot seat ourselves at some point in our careers. In my book, the best way to deal with a screw up was to own it, learn from it and move on. Thanks for watching and thank you for the kind words! Take care!
Sorry that happened buddy. I agree why did they use torques bit. I’ve always answered those questions by there was engineer that had to much time on there hands to think up these dumb things. In all my different careers I’ve had to deal with engineers and I’ve came across some clowns 🤡. I’m glad your ok and thanks for sharing. Have a good one ✌️😎👍
Thanks Kevin! My kid has started Engineer Schooling and I told him to start in a machine shop first to learn to build a part before you design one. He has done exactly that and I think the engineers who have no mechanical background, unlike my son, will be those guys that we are later cursing at because of their poor designs! The hollow security torx bit certainly has no needed application in the automotive industry! It was my mistake for using a hollow torx security bit and pushing it past its limitations! I need to be smarter than the tool next time and pick the proper tool for the job! Thanks for watching Kevin and have a great weekend!
Yeah Jeff, it’s a bummer you got hurt, but if it’s any consolation we have all pushed on a wrench when we should have pulled and skin is soft compared to metal, we can all learn from this, take the time to use the right tool for the job, don’t think GM is changing the pin, that made my butt hurt lol, thanks for sharing, not everyone would do that, catch you soon my friend 😀😀
Thanks Mike! This was a tough one on whether or not to post. I am getting back to the meat and potatoes tri five stuff but, this one had good lessons learned that worked well to share with everyone while I wait for backordered parts. Luckily, the kid bought Allen Head replacement pins from O'Reilly's so I won't have flashbacks when I have it apart next time...😂😂😂 Thanks for watching and keep up the great work you do on your channel! Take care!
@@hubiesgarage thanks Jeff
I don't like any of these types of fasteners. I prefer the good old fashion "hex" bolts. 1 - you can get on them with a socket. 2 - they don't fill with crud so you strip them even with the right tool. 3 - if they do get stripped, I can still get them out. Those 'Torque Bits" & Allen Heads on paper, are a superior system because there is more contact area, BUT! and a HUGE BUT! if anything happens to them, they are compromised. I've broke many a Snap-On Torque & Allen (esp seat belt mounts) simple because they are gaulded into place. And don't EVEN get me started on Stainless Steel Fasteners that are of the same..... that is almost a guaranteed track down of the "Tool Truck" to get the job completed.
Funny how I can get the calipers off a 1968 Mercury that's rusted on there for years with a 7/8's 6-point socket, and have the job done in minutes, but a 2008 can take all dang day to do because you break 3 bits getting that crap off there.
So, so true BR! The newer torx was a bear and obviously, getting injured without even finishing the job was not the day I had planned for that Saturday! I wished it had been a '68 Mercury I was working on that day! I wouldn't have had the scar and the ER Bill to show for it! Those Torx bits do have the most surface area but, when they are compromised like you say, you are pretty much done and it takes a ton of extra work to get them off! Those hollow security bits have no business being sold at or being used in any automotive application but, I was the dummy who got complacent, in a hurry and selected the wrong tool for the job! I paid the price for it! Luckily, the kid got a pair of vice grips on the bolt head and got them off while I was at the ER. He went to O'Reilly's and bought new slider pins too. Luckily, the new ones are Allen Heads! Thanks for watching and let me know if you are still out here or when you will be out here next! Take care brother!
Well. Yeah not a fan on torques. It's been around for a while . Spent a lot on tools junk tools are only last resort thay do fail 🤷🏽♂️ thanks for sharing. Hope the healing is fast & your back at working on breaks 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😎
Thank you Armondo! This was an expensive lesson! Luckily, I am all healed up and have already done a brake job on our Yukon Denali since. Take care, thanks again and thanks for watching!
Heat gun applied with the timid torx bolts. Those guide pins have been rapidly heat cycled millions of times, sometimes, they get really really hot. Like on a hot day with a big load in stop and go traffic, boiling the brake fluid. Your leaf spring disassembly would have worked just fine, if you would have heated the guide pins/ bracket,/caliper. Get it ouchie hot and they spin right out 99.9%. You can still buy adjustable heat guns up to 1000°f. The torx design is good, they just can't make the splines long enough or deep enough with it. Glad they saved the finger. Keep exercising it or scar tissue will turn it into a overcooked cocktail shrimp. Slipped my thumb into a spun-up electric engine fan once, once. Not good, filleted the meat right open in perfectly sliced layers on the face of my thumb. A scrub up with iodine and then electron cleansed superglue epi-pen to the rescue. I can break into any bank I want to, so long as I only use my right thumb(no print).
All very good points, except the robbing a bank part...hahaha! The heat cycles that these pins have been through, is a real good point, especially with the miles that were on them and the heavy towing the truck has done! Heat would have been a great tool to use that day but, just like the proper torx bit, gloves and the other proper tools, they were all left in the toolbox that day. Getting complacent and in too much of a hurry like I did should have been big warning flags but, I ignored them and paid for it. I agree on the torx bits not having enough depth to bite the bolt but, they still have the most surface area contact and that makes it a good design like you say. Very good points about the scar tissue too! It did try to tighten up my range of motion but, I still stretch it to keep it limber. Thanks for watching and for the great additional points!
Thanks for the reply. I also quit carrying spare tools in rigs because the shit just kept getting stolen. I don't use loctite on the caliper bolts and guide pins, use Never-seize as a pin and thread lube and crank them down. The alum dust in the neversieze will help transfer brake heat and make it easier to separate next time so long as that hardware has good threads. All that stuff gets hydroblasted with water when it rains@@hubiesgarage
@kh40yr That's a great tip on the neversieze! I will look into that!
Glad to see you healed up well. Two words: Mechanic's gloves. We've all been there. I"m looking at my half thumbnail growing back after smashing it in between two crescents when a flare fitting let go. just a quick tip: Harbor Freight has a ton of "shade tree" quality tools like breaker bars and 1/2" drive torx and hexhead sets you may want to consider (assuming there's one you can get to). You also mentioned a VERY important rule of thumb. ALWAYS use the right tool for the job. Great video!
Thank you Frank! Yep, all part of the series of blunders that led up to the injury...my mechanix gloves were left on top of the tool box! We have Harbor Freight locations in other nearby cities but, being impatient that day, I ran to my local Autozone. I am not sure why an auto parts store sells hollow torx bits but, supposedly, european cars such as BMW use security/tamper-proof torx hardware. The result of that is people pushing these hollow torx wrenches beyond their limitations like I did. Thanks again for watching and for the kind words!
Dang Jeff! That looks like it might have hurt a bit! Casualties of war with brakes sometimes!
The torx fastners grip the tools MUCH better that an allen head does. I've lost more skin and busted knuckles with allens than I ever did with torx. The issue is the fact these clowns at the auto parts store had no business selling tamper proof bits for regular torx bits. Of course if one didn't know that there were different torx in the first place, you can't help that. But an auto parts store shouldn't be selling those, if thats where you bought them. The proper torx bits are much stronger (as they are not partially hollow) and wouldn't blow apart that easily. I much more prefer torx over allen any day. Glad to see you had survived...! Just more scars and another battle to tell stories to the grandkids about!
Thank you Oly! You brought up some very good points! I agree, the torx has a much greater surface area contact than most all other fasteners out there. The problem with the torx is how many of these hollow/security bits are out there being sold today! I can see using them in an anti vandalism or theft application. Using these torx security bits in an automotive application is just plain stupid! The fact that they sell them in an automotive store is even worse! My problem is that I am supposed to be smarter than the tool and use the proper tool for the job but, I got complacent and it cost me! I know I will continue to make mistakes in the future as is human nature but, this one won't get repeated. If it does, then I didn't learn from it this time! Thanks for watching and the encouragement Oly! It is greatly appreciated! Take care and have a great weekend!
@@hubiesgarage we all make mistakes! Lord knows I've made plenty and I'm sure I'll make more! Thats how some of us learn... lol
@OlysGarage Words of wisdom, that is for sure Oly! If I had a nickel for every dumb thing I've done, I'd be a rich guy today and even richer tomorrow! Be safe out there Oly!
Dadgummit Jeff! 😮 I appreciate your sharing this with us. I also appreciate your response to the, what I would consider condescending, comment from gender skins 😂! Have a great day Brother!
Thanks Big Mike! Yep, it took a good "think" on my part on if I really wanted to post this one because you really put yourself out there! Two things I learned from the fire dept was after an incident, we critiqued everything, to go over the good and the bad so that we would learn and get better for the next time. The other was that if you screwed up, you jumped on the grenade immediately to avoid collateral damage! It was hard for the guys to tear onto you if you had already owned it! This deal was a stupid, "I should have known better", series of events that eventually bit me like a rattlesnake! The comments have really been easy on me, all things considering. The condescending one you mention will never get me brother! It warranted taking the high road and the tongue in cheek response. If I were to follow his recommendation, then I should just fold up shop and end the channel. He certainly didn't read my "about" page. There's one in every crowd...🙄🤦 Take care brother and thank you for the kind words! BTW, congrats on the Green Goblin! I have been following the videos and I really look forward to seeing you running it soon! She's a runner!
That’s just one of those freak occurrences that we don’t ever think about possibly happening when we get used to being in “the routine” I’ve moved a lot more towards compact and right angle impact wrenches because I was so bad for not looking at where my knuckles would go if a hand ratchet broke loose
Good points! I rarely use impact wrenches unless I have a lot of long, heavy bolts to break loose. This was one of those perfect storms for me because I did this repair in the driveway furthest away from my garage. I don't use battery powered tools and it would have been too much work to drag my compressor and air impact tools to the other end of the property. I definitely got lazy and complacent with, in my mind, just another "routine" brake job. Cutting corners and using the wrong tools really did me in that day but, live and learn, I will never repeat those mistakes again. Thanks for watching and mentioning some great points!
Hey Jeff, sorry to hear what happened, I've been turning wrench's since 1973 and i find it to be that over the year they have come up with all these different fastener on all the the different cars, trucks, machinery for know really reason other then to make a guy have to buy more damm tools then he really needs, it goes right back to how much of a shit hole America has become, so some a hole can make money. I have tools I had to buy and don't even use anymore since i'm out of the mechanic business, OH IT'S FOR SAFETY which is a cock of bull. Thanks for letting guys know but it's really not your fault if that would have been a regauler bolt head you proabaly would not have gotten hurt. Thanks for putting the word out about you need the right tool for todays bull on working on vehicles. I'm glad you didn't lose the finger. Later buddy be safe Tony
Thank you very much Tony! It is greatly appreciated! I hear you on all of the fastener variations and all the money you have to spend buying the tools to break them loose! The real dumb part is those security torx bits and how or why did they get so popular!? Why they are needed and why are they being sold in an automotive store is another big question! Bottom line, I screwed up, did not look at the fasteners, used the wrong tool, compromised the bolt head then picked the wrong tool again to try and get it off. It was a live and learn moment and I won't make that mistake twice! Thanks again Tony and I hope you have a great weekend!
Oh crap jeff sorry that had happened, those are alot of stitches, but I too had no idea about different torx bits, why gm uses them I have no idea, but yea man heal up and thanks for sharing, where's my gloves at! Aloha brother
Man Sonny, if I had only had my mechanix gloves that day! I got in too big of a hurry and paid the price for that one brother! I will never use a hollow or security torx unless it needs one again. Those security bits need to be kept out of the automotive applications for good! My bad that I used one! Take care Sonny and have a great weekend!
@hubiesgarage you know what's hilarious, I put my gloves on after I grinded my knuckle down to the bone with the cut off wheel, it happened so fast, but yes I guess at home it's not safety first unlike at work, live n learn have a great weekend brother Aloha
@ratgasgaragenightmarcher You got that right Sonny! We are more complacent at home! Live and learn Brother!
I prefer to take the calipers completely off and put em in a vise ! Just pinch off the brake hoses to keep the brake fluid from leaking out ! those bolts can be a bear to remove but i find it easier doing it that way ! Sorry bout your pinky !
Thanks Scotty! That is a great idea to separate the calipers, put them in the vise and (in my case) have all of the proper tools in my toolbox, next to the vise. I think my habit with disc brake jobs is that I never have the copper washers nor to I detach the brakelines to avoid brake fluid leaks or bleeding tehm after putting them back together. Maybe that may be better, especially in this Heavier Duty application. Luckily, my pinky healed up nicely! Thanks for watching and bringing up the good points!
My thoughts with you. ( As Landon said, my thoughts are pretty weird, but Im here as a former Mental Health carer to well wish. Remember too, there only three types of fasteners , Hexagonal, Phillips, Flat head, and 22 other mental disorders dumb funkers who are forced to make moon Landers have dreamed up. Automakers employ them guys to do impossibly hard tasks, like build and service disk brake rear ends, Hubies) 🥝✔️
Thanks Deano! It is greatly appreciated! With all of the crazy fasteners invented over the years, this one has been real kooky! I get having more surface area to grab the fastener but, the security torx bit shouldn't be more available than the solid bit is, especially in an automotive store or application! Bottom line, I got complacent, lazy and in too much of a hurry and paid the price! I knew better but, human nature seeks the easiest solution, not the correct one and I learned that the hard way! Luckily, the finger is all healed up and I back in the garage trying not to repeat any of my bad past mistakes again! Have a great weekend and thanks for watching!
Ouch! if you ever suspect your tool is under too much stress and is about to explode think safety first. keep your fingies away from failing tools
Yep, years of doing this, you definitely know when you are on the ragged edge with these tools! I should have listened to that little voice saying "Stop!"
Those torx slide pins go right in the trash, and get replaced with hex
Luckily, while I was at the ER, my sonndid exactly that. He went to O'Reilly's and bought Allen Head pins. He's a good kid! Thanks for watching!
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I wished this had been fixed with a band aid UP...😂😂😂! The hospital bill was waay more expensive than a band aid. My stupidity really cost me that day! Thanks for watching and have a great weekend!
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