These guys had a manual H-pattern and had to make around 2000-3000 gear shifts a race using heel and toe, and just one misshift would cause a clutch failure and a retirement... all with 1200hp under the wheel. Different breed.
Can sobody tell me what buttons he has on stering wheel? And inside cockpit? I know that on left side inside cockpit he has brake bias on the ring gears..but dont know about the rest??
@@markoatf5121 Probably radio on one button and drink mechanism on the other. They should also have an anti roll bar adjuster on the car somewhere and maybe some kind of misture knob and also two turbo bost regulator knobs for each of the turbos. You may see something similar on these video with Jackie Stewart. Just so you get an idea. ua-cam.com/video/4JIXPqgwQHk/v-deo.html One more page with some more info relating these cars: www.thelotusforums.com/latest-news/our-news/the-power-and-the-glory-lotus-98t/
That was most scare cars ever ! 1.300HP, very low downforce level!! No electronics! Pure driving skills to control and keep them on track, because that Ayrton Senna is the greatest ever, facing those monsters against guys like Mansell, Prost, Piquet, Lauda,
Everytime I try on Assetto Corsa I break the engine, and to think those guys made around 2000 gearshifts a race with a manual, and even 1 mishift could cause a clutch failure... all that with 1200hp+ under the wheels. Different breed.
@1:30 insane how he can downshift that quickly. I can't heel/toe that quick on light plastic pedals sitting in at my desk, let alone while getting thrown around by an 80s f1 car
1492cc V6, up to 5.5bar/~80psi, 250 to 300hp before boost, up to 1350hp on boost. so....no power no power no power ALL OF THE POWER. the skill involved in driving those things will never be repeated. R.I.P Senna
it wasn't only about the power of the old turbocharged engines (which don't forget, they broke down a lot), these cars also lacked aerodynamic efficiency and of course, safety. Yes, they were much difficult to drive but thankfully, today no drivers are getting killed in the cars. It's enough for me
Ferariiman That is what makes these new cars SOO awesome to me. I loved these old turbo and I wished they would return someday and they have! But now they have all the modern aero upgrades(though I wish they would increase the aero again, it would create some even more intense racing than we are already seeing) with 160bhp boost and virtually no turbo lag whatsoever.
***** We really do live in a hell of a time for the sport, technically speaking. I just love ERS and everything about it. When I learned about KERS for the first time it just blew my mind, now its even better AND with turbos!
***** As much as I love downforce, it's the main problem with Formula 1 and the lack of overtaking that isn't assisted by DRS. You can't get up close behind a car anymore due to the aero understeer that's created because the cars rely so much on air flow over the car, when you're close to another car and battling it creates a ton of turbulence. What they need is more MECHANICAL grip, aka wider tires...and a touch less downforce.
look at that turbo gauge just flying up outta nowhere every time he gets on the gas, serious talent and skill to control a car so light and with so much power
Omega Mounitron In what way? That there are more safety measures taken so that more people can survive? That the driver has to do more than drivers did before? That the sport is actually progressing more than ever? How is it shit in any way?
Omega Mounitron Today's drivers have just as much of a difficult job but you just don't feel it. Cameras indeed have a big effect. The drivers have an even bigger one. They weren't half as fit as an F1 driver nowadays. Also saying the cars look shit today is completely wrong. They look amazing now, without the Halo of course.
Omega Mounitron There's a difference between opinion and facts. I very much know that whatever I will say to you will not move you simply because you don't want to accept change, and that's why I'm not putting in the effort to prove you wrong about your opinions.
***** and they have ERS which adds a whole new sound in itself. The turbo spins WAY faster with it. The turbo lag on these must have been horrendous when you compare it with the new turbos.
gas taber I'd say that I wish they would return but the new turbos are pretty cool in this regard. If you look at the rear of the cars with a thermal camera there is basically a big ass torch in the back, looks so cool.
This guy was probably the richest richkid racing driver of all time - he came into F1 with almost as much dough as Senna and Schumacher made IN their F1 careers - seriously loaded. Not completely talentless though as shown here - he wasnt too shabby
On-board, the current F1 cars don't sound too different (except for the downshifts, which are more aggressive on the 80s cars thanks to full-manual gearboxes). Once you hear them from the outside, though, the current cars sound so sterile. They don't have the same grunt that the old turbo V6 engines had.
You can also tell that this is a race because his boost goes up to just around 4 bar, making him use a large number of gears. At full boost (over 5 bar, although the dial ended at 5), it is best to use just 2 or 3 gears, depending on track layout. For example, in my Assetto Corsa Silverstone GP World Record, I stay in top gear for 39 consecutive seconds (0:45 - 1:24 video time) and only use 3 gears in total. ua-cam.com/video/pILCcpWNbrA/v-deo.html
I watched a couple of your videos and I have to say, you're really talented. I think you should try F1 Esports/League racing. You might give Jarno Opmeer a run for his money.
Maybe it's something to do with the camera, but these cars look fairly subtle in terms of speed despite their big numbers (1000+ horsepower in quali trim, a few hundred less on race day) as opposed to the early 2000's cars where you look at an onboard and the speed is made so obvious.
In the video it only had somewhere between 700-800 hp or there about. It was only in quali trim (with two different turbos and a different gearbox) they had over 1000 hp.
I think F1 shouldn’t have been automated so much, you can literally see how he has to fight the car in this video whereas compared to modern F1 effortless.
They need to have more vintage f1 racing in today's world. I know the current cars are quicker and state of the art but to me they are a less entertaining experience. They dont look or sound any where near as good as their 70s-80s predecessors. An era where a great variety of chassis and powerplants filled the grid.
The cars didn't have a speed limiter. What you're hearing is the cars hitting the rev limiter in top gear as the engineers didn't focus on straight line speed for some tracks so the gearing was slightly short.
because its uncapped HP, and it's fucking difficult to drive, and it looks fantastic. people complain today about the sound because everything else is also not exciting- the sound of the v10 was the last exciting thing about F1 and then they ruined that too
These guys had a manual H-pattern and had to make around 2000-3000 gear shifts a race using heel and toe, and just one misshift would cause a clutch failure and a retirement... all with 1200hp under the wheel. Different breed.
You can litterally see how much hard work it was to drive those things. Incredbile footage.
That’s why they ran out of fuel so much back then. Because their balls had so much weight.
Can sobody tell me what buttons he has on stering wheel? And inside cockpit? I know that on left side inside cockpit he has brake bias on the ring gears..but dont know about the rest??
@@markoatf5121 Probably radio on one button and drink mechanism on the other.
They should also have an anti roll bar adjuster on the car somewhere and maybe some kind of misture knob and also two turbo bost regulator knobs for each of the turbos.
You may see something similar on these video with Jackie Stewart. Just so you get an idea.
ua-cam.com/video/4JIXPqgwQHk/v-deo.html
One more page with some more info relating these cars:
www.thelotusforums.com/latest-news/our-news/the-power-and-the-glory-lotus-98t/
One hand with +1.300 bhp WTF
That was most scare cars ever ! 1.300HP, very low downforce level!! No electronics! Pure driving skills to control and keep them on track, because that Ayrton Senna is the greatest ever, facing those monsters against guys like Mansell, Prost, Piquet, Lauda,
NO POWER STEERING, NO SEMI AUTOMATIC GEARBOX, NO ABS, NO AREODINAMIC GRIP, NO TC, NO BUTTONS, THIS IS PURE ESSENCE OF DRIVING!!!!!!!
The car clearly has large wings so there is aerodynamic grip and the car also clearly has buttons on the steering wheel
Less aerodinamics and only two buttons, @@srthebox4946
one of my favourite f1 onboard videos.......Rip Johnny.
My favourite on board vid too!
now i only watched this again to pay tribute for the three people who made F1 alive... RIP johnny dumfries, james hunt and Sir Murray Walker...
I lost count of how many times I've seen this video. The way Sir Dumfries changes gears is such an art
we just gonna leave senna out then i guess...
@@karmicabundance9598 I pay tribute to all 4
I just can't fathom how good those guys footwork was. no matter how hard I try I just can't heel toe like that
Agreed. I’m sure it had to do with the fact that they were tiny/light as hell and sat right next to each other
Everytime I try on Assetto Corsa I break the engine, and to think those guys made around 2000 gearshifts a race with a manual, and even 1 mishift could cause a clutch failure... all that with 1200hp+ under the wheels. Different breed.
@@R9naldo practice practice practice practice
What complexity and what motor coordination! This car belongs to Senna, but Dumfries was also very skilled!
1.300+ bhp... 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear are mad as fuck
This was in the race. Just over 2/3 of the horsepower figure you stated.
@@jakubkrcma yeah, right...
They had about 800-1000 horsepower in the race
AKA the "Other Guy" at Lotus when Senna was there
@1:30 insane how he can downshift that quickly. I can't heel/toe that quick on light plastic pedals sitting in at my desk, let alone while getting thrown around by an 80s f1 car
Did this car had to use a pedal clutch ? Do you know when f1 stopped using a clutch pedal for gears shift ?
And he's hitting the clutch every downshift. Insane
For sure, this guy is much better than fucking hamilton who probably doesn't even know what a clutch pedal is.
1492cc V6, up to 5.5bar/~80psi, 250 to 300hp before boost, up to 1350hp on boost. so....no power no power no power ALL OF THE POWER. the skill involved in driving those things will never be repeated. R.I.P Senna
it wasn't only about the power of the old turbocharged engines (which don't forget, they broke down a lot), these cars also lacked aerodynamic efficiency and of course, safety. Yes, they were much difficult to drive but thankfully, today no drivers are getting killed in the cars. It's enough for me
Ferariiman That is what makes these new cars SOO awesome to me. I loved these old turbo and I wished they would return someday and they have! But now they have all the modern aero upgrades(though I wish they would increase the aero again, it would create some even more intense racing than we are already seeing) with 160bhp boost and virtually no turbo lag whatsoever.
***** We really do live in a hell of a time for the sport, technically speaking. I just love ERS and everything about it. When I learned about KERS for the first time it just blew my mind, now its even better AND with turbos!
***** As much as I love downforce, it's the main problem with Formula 1 and the lack of overtaking that isn't assisted by DRS. You can't get up close behind a car anymore due to the aero understeer that's created because the cars rely so much on air flow over the car, when you're close to another car and battling it creates a ton of turbulence. What they need is more MECHANICAL grip, aka wider tires...and a touch less downforce.
+Vlasov581 F1 has none of the assists you mentioned...
Rest in Piece!
Love the sound of the engine!
same as lotus of 2014. V6 turbo and V6 turbo xddd
@@rutar2008 hahahaha today turbo hybrid is a shit compared to the old turbo
1:09 Machine gun downshift
look at that turbo gauge just flying up outta nowhere every time he gets on the gas, serious talent and skill to control a car so light and with so much power
John Colum Crichton-Stuart, 7. Marquess of Bute - Earl of Dumfries
RIP JD! ❤❤❤
R.I.P. Johnny
I wasn’t even born in 1986, but I prefer this to modern day F1.
Insane!!!! those drivers were driving big go karts with super powerful turbos
These old turbo V6s were beasts
This footage is so clean :| its unbelievable
The masters are clean, the shitty uploads from 2007 is what makes it look bad.
Oh my goodness! This is such a great video. Look at how he's driving that! So much effort! The steering, the gears. Wow! This is F1!
Again people underestimate today and overestimate the past
Omega Mounitron In what way? That there are more safety measures taken so that more people can survive? That the driver has to do more than drivers did before? That the sport is actually progressing more than ever? How is it shit in any way?
Omega Mounitron Today's drivers have just as much of a difficult job but you just don't feel it. Cameras indeed have a big effect. The drivers have an even bigger one. They weren't half as fit as an F1 driver nowadays. Also saying the cars look shit today is completely wrong. They look amazing now, without the Halo of course.
Omega Mounitron Okay you've just proved you're a nostalgist. I can't really argue with you because you won't listen to facts anyway..
Omega Mounitron There's a difference between opinion and facts. I very much know that whatever I will say to you will not move you simply because you don't want to accept change, and that's why I'm not putting in the effort to prove you wrong about your opinions.
Johnny’s shifting like a boss in this clip
These onboards are nuts
This is the only car in Assetto Corsa that I use regularly.
Just bravery-raising beauty!
I drive this vehicle in project cars 3!!!
'Watch Duhnny Jomfries' right hand'... Ahh Murray
I believe you mean Johnny Dumfries, not Duhnny Jomfries.
Alain Marie Pascal Prost
I believe I was having a go at Murray starting to say that @ 27sec...
Ah yes, my apologies, I didn't notice Murray saying that until you mentioned it.
Rip 😢😢😢
OMG I never get tired of watching this. Just AWESOME. Great quality too, thanks!!
Manual transmission big turbo 💪
Damn look at the gear shifting so amazing should be so good to drive those cars
1:08 making that baby SING
Hardcore heel and toe action right after that :)
My favourite on board F1 videos come from Johnny Dumfries in that Lotus at Adelaide. Murray & James' commentary is the icing on the cake!
Forget about his right hand, watch his knees!
0:14 THAT CAR AT THE SIDE!!
That would not happen these days
Holy shit this is awsome i can't believe f1 used to be like this
this is in Adelaide, my home town. When i was young it was possible to hear the cars from our house 10 km away if the wind was just right.
Punta taco, taco punta, câmbio manual, embreagem ......nossa, era cabuloso D+
If u use this car on assetto corsa u can see on the boost gauge that he is only using 60% boost
Racing and qualifying used two very different engines.. therefore the difference in boost
When I drive these on asseto automatically:boost 100% Rev limiter Maximum and then my ears thanks me
RIP
Can yall explain why Johnny Dumfries' original surname got shortened to Dumfries?
loved that video..thanks for posting
Muito top
this is how the 2014 should sound
***** minus the fact that today's car don't sound as awesome as the 1980's turbo ones
***** They sound like monoturbo something, not like the Twins in the '80s.
You are incorrect, they only have one turbo, not four.
leo Zam doesen´t it ?
***** and they have ERS which adds a whole new sound in itself. The turbo spins WAY faster with it. The turbo lag on these must have been horrendous when you compare it with the new turbos.
Was there! Thanks for the upload!
How was the sound of the cars?
@@80sf1fan2 I was there too. The sound was amazing, ear splitting, painfully loud. Earplugs were necessary!
dat flames........
gas taber So sexy
gas taber I'd say that I wish they would return but the new turbos are pretty cool in this regard. If you look at the rear of the cars with a thermal camera there is basically a big ass torch in the back, looks so cool.
***** You are right,but i prefer the "old achool flame thrower"!! Jajajja
+gas taber It's small things like that which makes F1 back then so enjoyable to watch
ahahaha "takes me back to the old days" he says... in 1986
Tremendous
When driver skill actually mattered.
lol so you think you could just hop in a modern f1 car and go fast? i dont think so
@@BRZkomarov computer takes care of everything these days it's racing on rails.
Yeah he was from the aristocracy, but he had talent. Stroll take note.
This is F.1. No today
In TOCA3 this track is amazing in the Williams FW18.
car needs to be shift so fast because of the crazy acceleration
This guy was probably the richest richkid racing driver of all time - he came into F1 with almost as much dough as Senna and Schumacher made IN their F1 careers - seriously loaded. Not completely talentless though as shown here - he wasnt too shabby
Daaaaamn!! Dead car on the right within a few feet! At that time, they thought little of it.
When f1 cars was real, not video games
On-board, the current F1 cars don't sound too different (except for the downshifts, which are more aggressive on the 80s cars thanks to full-manual gearboxes). Once you hear them from the outside, though, the current cars sound so sterile. They don't have the same grunt that the old turbo V6 engines had.
Due to the by-pass valve.. eliminating flames and waste of fuel. More power and efficiency.. but really removed the sound
You can also tell that this is a race because his boost goes up to just around 4 bar, making him use a large number of gears. At full boost (over 5 bar, although the dial ended at 5), it is best to use just 2 or 3 gears, depending on track layout. For example, in my Assetto Corsa Silverstone GP World Record, I stay in top gear for 39 consecutive seconds (0:45 - 1:24 video time) and only use 3 gears in total. ua-cam.com/video/pILCcpWNbrA/v-deo.html
I watched a couple of your videos and I have to say, you're really talented. I think you should try F1 Esports/League racing. You might give Jarno Opmeer a run for his money.
It's a manual? These guys sure had a lot of skill having to control the steering wheel and change gears at those speeds
Wonder what that Fire Chair is going 0-300 kph like under 10 seconds or something.
full 6 speed H pattern with clutch and everything
The Stroll of the 80s
Interesting hand position.
The dislike is a prius fan lol
That antilag though...
murray comment make it more intense and exciting
Sehe ich es richtig noch mit H Schaltung.
Maybe it's something to do with the camera, but these cars look fairly subtle in terms of speed despite their big numbers (1000+ horsepower in quali trim, a few hundred less on race day) as opposed to the early 2000's cars where you look at an onboard and the speed is made so obvious.
Not as much grip were in these cars, power fuck yeah, grip nah
+McMuffinFluffin More mechanical grip, but less downforce.
In the video it only had somewhere between 700-800 hp or there about. It was only in quali trim (with two different turbos and a different gearbox) they had over 1000 hp.
The early to mid 2000s had over 950 hp in races.
I think F1 shouldn’t have been automated so much, you can literally see how he has to fight the car in this video whereas compared to modern F1 effortless.
this is how the 2016 should sound
(honestly the 2017,18,19,....)
This is Adelaide yeah? Not Melbourne
I came here hoping to see someone wrangle all 100 pounds of boost, but I’m more intrigued by those downshifts
ohh yeaaah amazing downshift
330 km/h fuuuuuu.
They need to have more vintage f1 racing in today's world. I know the current cars are quicker and state of the art but to me they are a less entertaining experience. They dont look or sound any where near as good as their 70s-80s predecessors. An era where a great variety of chassis and powerplants filled the grid.
imagine a modernized Lotus 98T with modern tires and more downforce
@@alouisschafer7212 It would look like a modern F1 car
1:09 JESUS DEAR GOD!... I will try that in my street car... yeah right! :(
also note the extent of the head movement - continually under strain with an unsupported neck.....
down again , down into first gear!
lotus 98t and toyota gtone was the bestests cars of all time
This was when Drivers were real race car Drivers
until last year every damn straight you could hear speed limiter -.-
No, you hear a rev limiter, not a "speed limiter".
The cars didn't have a speed limiter. What you're hearing is the cars hitting the rev limiter in top gear as the engineers didn't focus on straight line speed for some tracks so the gearing was slightly short.
yeah, sorry, my mistake
amazing quality?
agurobe Looks good for 1986
Put these cars back in F1 and I'll start working my way to actually get to race. I don't want to ride a 5000 RPM cushion :(
5000 rpm?🤣
i guess these things were real race cars
Automatic drivers hate him
h-pattern is so fuc.... great !
That car has H pattern? I thinked that it was a secuential gearbox
He shift without clutch :D:D:D
Er, no he didn't.
only upshifts
1:30
WTF JUST HAPPENED
Where's the notorious Dumfries moan? He sounds a little funny, battling the G's. Totally understandable off course
tanx
WHY IS NO ONE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CAR ENGINE HAVING THE SOUND OF A VACUUM CLEANER ? hahaha
basic086 Because this V6 T sounds nice.
xDoctorx EU its exactly the same
because its uncapped HP, and it's fucking difficult to drive, and it looks fantastic. people complain today about the sound because everything else is also not exciting- the sound of the v10 was the last exciting thing about F1 and then they ruined that too
Are you mental? These things sounded absolutaly brutal. You know nothing about the race scene, get out.
HAHAHAHAHAH YOU KNOW THOSE F1 WERE THE BEST SOUNDING F1 EVER BUILT, TAKE YOUR MODERN HYBRID SHIT F1.
hf
HAHA DUMFRIES ha "fries" lol XDDDD
Lmao
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