Man I would not be able to ride with you. You’re freaking me out with all your movements good job I’m glad you made it to the bottom I would have to get out and walk.
Hehehe......."High Speed situational scanning and awareness". Thanks for the feedback. I had a relook at the vid and see what you mean. I do keep an eye on the trail in and out of the window, especially in a bigger truck on a tight trail. Also checking back a lot this run knowing the camera was on a mount I thought may fail. I have done BB many many times and have a good comfort level on it. Unfamiliar trails I'm a little less "movey" . Peace!
A few naysayers out there thinking I didn't take it all the way to Telluride. That's cool if you feel that way. I have plenty of experience on that trail, just didn't film the switchbacks that trip. But I did get some good footage on just as gnarly of a trail in Canyonlands, getting the big truck WITH the camper on it, up and over Elephant Hill. Elephant Hill was the 1/2 way point in my 225 mile off road traverse from Mexican Hat to Moab. After Elephant Hill, I supplied up at The Needles Outpost and continued 65 miles through Lockhart Basin and it's narrows, to Hurrah Pass, and into Moab. So no, that doesn't prove I descended the switchbacks.... but should give credence when I say......I certainly did. Peace ~ Out ! C-U-Out There ! Elephant Hill : ua-cam.com/video/1nhQ_1-GKU0/v-deo.html And......prior to Elephant Hill, as you come from Beef Basin are "Bobby's Hole", a nasty loose descent, and "S.O.B. Hill". SOB is a super tight turn in a rock narrows. Short wheelbase can attempt to make the turn. Long wheelbase it may be best to either back up the hill and forward through the slot, or forward up and back through. Then a few "Grabbens" and "Silver Stairs" and some lesser obstacles on the way to Elephant Hill. This is S.O.B. Hill : ua-cam.com/video/gDQvwDd3ZvY/v-deo.html
BackCountry Overland - naysayers must not be familiar with this trail. It is one way downhill so turning around and going back up isn’t an option and is a helluva lot harder than just going down from the creek crossing where you stopped filming. Pictures of you under B-veil falls is proof enough. However - it would have been cool to see you negotiate the second and third switch back since they are so tight. I was up there 10 years ago on my mountain bike and it was like rush hour on I-25 in Denver with all the traffic. Watched the local guide service run their short box pickups with the bleachers in back like they were driving in downtown Telluride. 😂. Too bad the trail has been sanitized from its truly epic condition in the 70’s and 80’s! Cheers - great video!
I was out there Wednesday, 08/11/21, in my 2020 stock Rubicon, behind me was this young Mennonite family from Missouri. That young farmer made short work of BBP, I was very impressed. Do not take BBP lightly, it’ll bite you, hard.
No big deal at all . The local tour guides use full size pick ups with the beds removed and 3 row bench seats installed that hold 9-12 people . These guys have been driving tourists over this pass on a daily basis for decades .
That's good to know I have an 09 Rick warrior crewmax short bed on 8in lift with 20x37x12.50 your comment and this video are giving me confidence in doing this trail.
My god you could drive a Cadillac over this road now. I remember when a 1940s Willis jeep just could stay on the road because it was too narrow. I still have the Jeep, I rode a Honda sl70 over this when I was 12. This isn’t a Jeep road anymore. It's a beautiful drive and several great places for a picnic. Glad you made it safely.
Most is pretty easy. Pucker point is still a little lumpy, and the switchbacks are still the switchbacks. But I'm sure it's a little better than years ago. But view......stiil awesome !
Thanks ! I have done Black Bear many times in different vehicles, so I know the trail well. But it changes year to year a little after winter, so you always have to drive it like it's your first time and be cautious. No matter how many times I've done it, I ALWAYS pre-walk the pucker point section ! (the section in this video)
@@chrissmith2921 dang.... I have a 2015 F150, there's no way in hell I'm trying it. Especially since you said that lol. My balls are not big enough for that.
Fine job. I was just asking. another UA-camr if he thought I could make it in my GMC 2500 HD because of the delinearators at the end . I dont want to drive all the way from maryland and have all the trails be to narrow. Good Video, Thanks
I dont think I want to hit it during winter but as soon as summer hits i'm going to take my 93 K2500 Suburban down it. Will let you know how that works out lol
Man I would not be able to ride with you you do too many movements it would freak me out I would have to get out and walk you made it to the bottom great job
How much ground clearance do you have? I’m looking to take my 1500 standard bed there. Hoping I can make it on 33s without having to set up a whole new suspension system.
What ever one likes.....is the way to go. I have mountain biked it (from Telluride to above Ingram falls and back), and taken my '82 Eagle SX4 over as well. Get out......breath the air.....enjoy the mountains.
Probably OK. The switchbacks are tight and if you have not done it before you should have a spotter. They have been putting up signs saying "Short Wheel Base Only", but i have not heard of any type of enforcement. Maybe get a pre-run in a short wheelbase to size it up for yourself. There are also plenty of videos photos and trail reviews to make a good decision for your vehicle and level of off road skill. Good Luck !
I did a quick google search on the length of your vehicle and it says 18ft, that sounds about right. I am trying to find out if a 21ft military m1079 could make it down this trail or not. It’s also 12ft tall if that makes any bit of difference. Wheeled a lot but have never been to CO to wheel before.
Sorry Jared....didn't catch this comment. I am never one to tell someone they can't get their rig somewhere. I don't know peoples individual skills when it comes their particular rig. However.....I looked up the M1079 on the net. And having done Black Bear a dozen times, in a Jeep a many times, AMC Eagle, Ram 2500 with a topper and again with a camper, a Blazer, 98 Chevy shortbed with a topper....... I will say looking at the size of the M1079.....I think it's way too big and wide for the last part, Pucker point and the shelf & switchbacks to Telluride below it. Especially switchback #1. If you are experienced with that rig, you'll probably get to the summit / pass just fine. But opposing traffic would be an issue. The first mile or so below that.....probably OK. Then there is a very narrow inside wall self section that you'll have no fudge room on for a mile or so. Any incident "leaving the trail" will be fatal. There are signs at the beginning at Red Mountain Pass that say "Short Wheelbase high clearance only" ..... It's not a "law" that I know of, and I'm pushing it with a Ram and Camper. (don't think I'll do it again in that set up). The off camber section above Ingram Falls with the height, COG, legnth, and width I percieve of the M1079..... I think it's too big. Best advice........get a rental Jeep in Ouray and pre-drive it.....a few times. Then make the best honest decison. I will say.....I did do it once with my camper and it was fine. The trail conditions change year to year. On a second visit with my camper (small and only 750 pounds), I pre-walked Pucker Point down to the falls and found conditions unfavorable for that rig at that time, and made a command decision to turn around and go all the way back over. I waited till night when I figured there would be no opposing traffic. Long winded, but hope this was helpfull. Be safe ! And keep it shiny side up !
Have to pay close attention at the switchbacks and drive with some finesse'. One must be comfortable with their skill set, vehicle capabilities, and trail conditions (which change often). For the dozen times I have done Black Bear, I will admit that twice I had got to pucker point late.....light was diminishing, and it was raining. One time I slept till morning to complete the trail, and one trip I turned back deciding conditions were too sketchy.
I did this on September 9th, 2016 to be exact. The trail is colsed throught the winter. The USFS opens it when the snow is cleared. It usually opens late June / early July and stays open as long as it's clear. I closes when the first major snow shuts it down in the fall which could be as early as September or as late as late October. Interestingly, I had planned a run about 10 days earlier and it was temporarily closed due to an early season snow. But warm September days kicked in and cleared it. I was out on a backcountry trip and was checking web sites for info. Another freid at home was following too and got me info they reopened it. I headed that way hoping to catch a clear day and run and luckily I did! So...... It's one of those trails you need to always check on before you just go. You may need to have alternate plans on tap. And visa versa..... be ready to make a move to it if there was a temporary closure.
What do you air your tires down to? I want to get into some more similar stuff with my 05 RCLB 4x4 cummins. Running 285/70R17 10 ply Toyo ATs on H2 rims
I have a really good air system, so I can play with pressure a lot along the trail. I have an LSD rear and open front, so tire pressure is important for me. With my 8 ply 50 psi off road tires, I will run about 24 psi. for most trails. I'll get close to 18-20 if I think I need a bit more tire advantage. I've been in a sticky wicket or two where the need to go to 12-15 psi was warranted to get out of a bad spot, then air up again to near 20. Sand dune running 20-24 psi on average. Always in my mind is gentle steering to not break a bead. I have two sets of off road tires. Both 37 x 12.50 17r # 1) BFG KO2 AT's on stock aluminum wheels. And # 2) Hankook Mud Terrains on factory steel wheels. My pressures mentioned work well with both tires. I recommend a good low pressure specific tire gauge, for airing down scenarios.
I made all the turns, staying nose first to the bottom. Turn 1 and 4 took a few back and forths to get around them. I've also run the Ram down it with my camper on it a few years ago. (A Hallmark LaVeta).
BackCountry Overland that makes me feel better about trying it with a double cab long bed taco, even the short wheel base jeeps seem to struggle with it, or maybe it was just the commentary from that guys wife lol
A few reasons...... I was trying to keep the video to a short and sweet length. I was a one man show that day, so I didn't get a camera set up at the switch backs. I had to take my outrigger pole off the driver side because of how close you have to move to the left wall to make the #1 turn. I've done it a few times in this truck. The switchbacks are pretty straight forward and I've never had a problem on them. Maybe 1 extra back & forth movement on the tight ones.
Okay, The jeepers usually have someone standing outside the vehicle guiding the driver to the edge before he backs up. But if you were solo you had no one to guide you, so was just wondering how much harder that is. Thanks!!
It should do fine. It will be a bit long on a few of the switchbacks, but take your time and "cut the pie" , and ease through them. I did it many years ago [about 1994] in an 89 Chevy short bed with a topper, IFS, 6 inch lift and 35's. just fine.
@@gregoryvaughn4349 The switchbacks are the easier section. (In my opinion) I didn't want to bore viewers with too long of a video. I wish I could post up a pic here of the truck at the first tight right hand switchback. I've done the Bear many times in many rigs (including a 1982 AMC Eagle) I have no reason tell a tall tale of something I didn't do. I did it all in this rig with the topper, and an earlier time with a Hallmark Camper on it. Just multi-point turns at the hairpins. No biggie.
@Roscoe Dogg That IS true. There is a sign for "the point of no return". But if you really have to you can double back from "Pucker Point". But once you descend the steps down, and get to Ingram Falls, you aren't supposed to go back up. Which I did not.
Sorry for the delay Dan.....was out and about, and usually not "connected" when out. There are many forest routes in the area that have dispersed camps along them. Not sure how big your set up is but you should be able to find a spot in the area. The bottom of Corkscrew Gulch comes to mind as a place I've seen pull behinds set up in the past. There are probably a few more places but honestly I haven't paid attention to that need. I will in the future though. Safe travels !
Yeah.....I kept checking the camera to make sure my gopro on a stick and duct tape was hanging in there..... I probably need a better set up. But in a pinch that's what I had. And......there's not much I can do about the "crazy part". ;-) Hehehe.
Actually....I would love to go "UP" it. It IS posted as one way down due to it's narrowness. If one was to meet opposing traffic, that would cause a dangerous issue plus clog general travel, and you'd wreak the wrath of the other trail users (if you met up with some there). HOWEVER !!!! I do believe each year there is a weekend where you MAY run The Bear in reverse. The local Jeep club holds a lottery for a certain number of entries to run it backwards during a specific time frame that eliminate opposing traffic problems. I would do it in a heart beat if I got the chance. MORE INFO: ----> www.fourwheeler.com/features/1609-black-bear-pass-once-a-year-backwards/
I've gone up many times on a dirt bike, we go down early mid week and usually no traffic. A bike can go up the steps in about a minute, and can turn around easy if needed. I don't think I would try in a jeep or UTV except on the reverse day, which I haven't done.
Well driving BBP uphill is much easier than downhill on a steep road like this. I did BBP both directions was fortunate to get a ticket in the Lottery some years ago.
I air down on lots of "roads". Especially if there may be sharp talus rocks. The compliant tire surfaces tend to flex a bit before a sharp rock stabs through, particularly at the side wall. Less bouncy much smoother ride, and easier on front end parts and steering components from jerks and hits the trail may dish out. The traction benefits along pucker point are worth it to not get behind the 8 ball if there's an unexpected slip or slide. Not much room for error along there. So I "air" on the side of caution. ;-) A couple years ago I was in a remote area in the Black Canyon of the Gunnison. I had not aired down thinking I was good with just one mile to go to camp. A big talus rock on trail right, where the slope hit the one lane trail, caught me by surprise. The truck jumped over about 18 inches with a huge jolt through the steering system. It bounced me right to the edge. As I steered back on to the trail I could hear sss-sss-sss-sss-sss as the tire rolled. A big sharp talus rock breached the sidewall of my 37x12.50 R17 Cooper ST Maxx. It took 8 plugs to stop the leak. Plugging the side not really recommended, but I wanted to test it and see how long it would hold. It did get me 350 miles before I decided to change it out and keep it for a still usable spare on that trip. I changed to my full size same tire spare. Expensive hit on a big tire. I don't think it would have been cut, or maybe not as bad, had it been aired down. So yes.....I air down. A good all around practice IMHO.
Have you ever driven any offroad trail in Ouray? That is why you are asking such a question. Nearly everybody airs down. Try running that trail without airing down. You will regret.
Yeah, was using a go pro in its lexan case to protect it from the elements, not the best at audio. I've been looking at remote mic's, but not being the best AV guy out there I'm not sure what would be good. Any suggestions? Thanks.
You have to be even a little bit more crazy to do it in a 2500! Nice job!
I really wanted to see how you did on the tight switchbacks with a manual and a long truck!
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Cool dude! He’s a cool dude
That's my whole reason for watching this. That switchback is TIGHT.
Those sections of the video were cut out
Man I would not be able to ride with you. You’re freaking me out with all your movements good job I’m glad you made it to the bottom I would have to get out and walk.
Hehehe......."High Speed situational scanning and awareness". Thanks for the feedback. I had a relook at the vid and see what you mean. I do keep an eye on the trail in and out of the window, especially in a bigger truck on a tight trail. Also checking back a lot this run knowing the camera was on a mount I thought may fail. I have done BB many many times and have a good comfort level on it. Unfamiliar trails I'm a little less "movey" . Peace!
I did Black Bear in a JKU. Thanks for sharing that you can do it in a RAM 2500. That will be my next vehicle to take down BB Pass. Cheers.
Wow
Pure adrenaline
Greetings from North Texas
You had me as soon as you said duct tape...lol
It reminds me of doing acid. Once you committ there's no turning back.
Man, how true that is.🤪
And sometimes you want to go back but you know your for a several hour ride.
Man that's awesome. Kind of want to take the Power Wagon up there. Kind of don't. :)
I know right. I have a 2016 PW, I'm itching to go, but common sense is telling me that a Jeep would be easier navigating them zig zags. Lol
A few naysayers out there thinking I didn't take it all the way to Telluride. That's cool if you feel that way. I have plenty of experience on that trail, just didn't film the switchbacks that trip. But I did get some good footage on just as gnarly of a trail in Canyonlands, getting the big truck WITH the camper on it, up and over Elephant Hill. Elephant Hill was the 1/2 way point in my 225 mile off road traverse from Mexican Hat to Moab. After Elephant Hill, I supplied up at The Needles Outpost and continued 65 miles through Lockhart Basin and it's narrows, to Hurrah Pass, and into Moab. So no, that doesn't prove I descended the switchbacks.... but should give credence when I say......I certainly did. Peace ~ Out ! C-U-Out There !
Elephant Hill : ua-cam.com/video/1nhQ_1-GKU0/v-deo.html
And......prior to Elephant Hill, as you come from Beef Basin are "Bobby's Hole", a nasty loose descent, and "S.O.B. Hill". SOB is a super tight turn in a rock narrows. Short wheelbase can attempt to make the turn. Long wheelbase it may be best to either back up the hill and forward through the slot, or forward up and back through. Then a few "Grabbens" and "Silver Stairs" and some lesser obstacles on the way to Elephant Hill. This is S.O.B. Hill : ua-cam.com/video/gDQvwDd3ZvY/v-deo.html
BackCountry Overland - naysayers must not be familiar with this trail. It is one way downhill so turning around and going back up isn’t an option and is a helluva lot harder than just going down from the creek crossing where you stopped filming. Pictures of you under B-veil falls is proof enough. However - it would have been cool to see you negotiate the second and third switch back since they are so tight. I was up there 10 years ago on my mountain bike and it was like rush hour on I-25 in Denver with all the traffic. Watched the local guide service run their short box pickups with the bleachers in back like they were driving in downtown Telluride. 😂. Too bad the trail has been sanitized from its truly epic condition in the 70’s and 80’s! Cheers - great video!
I think I'd much prefer hitting that one hairy switchback on the way down then turning around and going the wrong way back up those steps!
Don't be such a Nancy about naysayers.
I was out there Wednesday, 08/11/21, in my 2020 stock Rubicon, behind me was this young Mennonite family from Missouri. That young farmer made short work of BBP, I was very impressed. Do not take BBP lightly, it’ll bite you, hard.
Great job! We did Black Bear Road about 1992 in my 1989 3/4 ton Chevy longbed. Fun!
full size truck , BB pass....wow man , Balls of pure steel
Don't think I'll take my 05 ram dually there🤠
Wow large truck for that trail! Brave!
brave???? no, stupid.
No big deal at all . The local tour guides use full size pick ups with the beds removed and 3 row bench seats installed that hold 9-12 people . These guys have been driving tourists over this pass on a daily basis for decades .
I think you should be pulling an RV when you do that!
well done sir. greatings from german
My dumbass did this with my 2020 Tundra, only a couple smashed in tube steps! Thrilling, my wife was less than happy with me!
That's good to know I have an 09 Rick warrior crewmax short bed on 8in lift with 20x37x12.50 your comment and this video are giving me confidence in doing this trail.
My god you could drive a Cadillac over this road now. I remember when a 1940s Willis jeep just could stay on the road because it was too narrow. I still have the Jeep, I rode a Honda sl70 over this when I was 12. This isn’t a Jeep road anymore. It's a beautiful drive and several great places for a picnic. Glad you made it safely.
Most is pretty easy. Pucker point is still a little lumpy, and the switchbacks are still the switchbacks. But I'm sure it's a little better than years ago. But view......stiil awesome !
BackCountry Overland I want to drive my Raptor this summer that way. Do you think I should be fine?
You make it looks easy!
Thanks ! I have done Black Bear many times in different vehicles, so I know the trail well. But it changes year to year a little after winter, so you always have to drive it like it's your first time and be cautious. No matter how many times I've done it, I ALWAYS pre-walk the pucker point section ! (the section in this video)
Awesome...plus no crowds!!
You sir, are a badass
Not really, but thanks for the sentiment. Big trucks fit over OK. When I had my camper on......well that was a different story :-O
BackCountry Overland lol I bet
I bet that's fun in the winter time
I've seen 2 trucks go over the edge in the 35 years I've lived here. LMAO
I've been here 29yrs. Saw 3 go over lmao.
@@chrissmith2921 dang.... I have a 2015 F150, there's no way in hell I'm trying it. Especially since you said that lol. My balls are not big enough for that.
Wholly sh-t ! My sphincter cant stop puckering after watching this !
Fine job. I was just asking. another UA-camr if he thought I could make it in my GMC
2500 HD because of the delinearators at the end . I dont want to drive all the way from
maryland and have all the trails be to narrow. Good Video, Thanks
I dont think I want to hit it during winter but as soon as summer hits i'm going to take my 93 K2500 Suburban down it. Will let you know how that works out lol
Thank you, I will be looking for the video!
lookalikafish did you take the suburban? How was it?
Sweet video!
Great add for dodge.
Very cool dude
Great video, my fellow Dodge Ram lover!!!
Thanks !
I wouldn't trying to traverse that trail at night!! Almost certain death...lol!!
Man I would not be able to ride with you you do too many movements it would freak me out I would have to get out and walk you made it to the bottom great job
Cra cra
Lets see the tight switch backs
AWESOME
How much ground clearance do you have? I’m looking to take my 1500 standard bed there. Hoping I can make it on 33s without having to set up a whole new suspension system.
Best way do the bear: hike it!!!! Second best: ATV
What ever one likes.....is the way to go. I have mountain biked it (from Telluride to above Ingram falls and back), and taken my '82 Eagle SX4 over as well.
Get out......breath the air.....enjoy the mountains.
I have 01 E350 extended body that I'm converting to 4wd. Basically a Sportsmobile, do you think it be too long to take on Black Bear Pass?
Probably OK. The switchbacks are tight and if you have not done it before you should have a spotter. They have been putting up signs saying "Short Wheel Base Only", but i have not heard of any type of enforcement. Maybe get a pre-run in a short wheelbase to size it up for yourself. There are also plenty of videos photos and trail reviews to make a good decision for your vehicle and level of off road skill. Good Luck !
Thanks for the info and for the response.
Cummins on BB Pass love it!
Thanks ! I quite like it myself !
I love both of mine as well.. However I take the SxS's to BB Pass LoL.
Click on my moniker for my last run over the pass.
I did a quick google search on the length of your vehicle and it says 18ft, that sounds about right. I am trying to find out if a 21ft military m1079 could make it down this trail or not. It’s also 12ft tall if that makes any bit of difference. Wheeled a lot but have never been to CO to wheel before.
Sorry Jared....didn't catch this comment. I am never one to tell someone they can't get their rig somewhere. I don't know peoples individual skills when it comes their particular rig. However.....I looked up the M1079 on the net. And having done Black Bear a dozen times, in a Jeep a many times, AMC Eagle, Ram 2500 with a topper and again with a camper, a Blazer, 98 Chevy shortbed with a topper....... I will say looking at the size of the M1079.....I think it's way too big and wide for the last part, Pucker point and the shelf & switchbacks to Telluride below it. Especially switchback #1.
If you are experienced with that rig, you'll probably get to the summit / pass just fine. But opposing traffic would be an issue. The first mile or so below that.....probably OK. Then there is a very narrow inside wall self section that you'll have no fudge room on for a mile or so. Any incident "leaving the trail" will be fatal.
There are signs at the beginning at Red Mountain Pass that say "Short Wheelbase high clearance only" ..... It's not a "law" that I know of, and I'm pushing it with a Ram and Camper. (don't think I'll do it again in that set up). The off camber section above Ingram Falls with the height, COG, legnth, and width I percieve of the M1079..... I think it's too big. Best advice........get a rental Jeep in Ouray and pre-drive it.....a few times. Then make the best honest decison. I will say.....I did do it once with my camper and it was fine. The trail conditions change year to year. On a second visit with my camper (small and only 750 pounds), I pre-walked Pucker Point down to the falls and found conditions unfavorable for that rig at that time, and made a command decision to turn around and go all the way back over. I waited till night when I figured there would be no opposing traffic.
Long winded, but hope this was helpfull. Be safe ! And keep it shiny side up !
What about those tight switch backs? That is where my concern would be for sure. I have a power wagon and I would not do that trail.
Have to pay close attention at the switchbacks and drive with some finesse'. One must be comfortable with their skill set, vehicle capabilities, and trail conditions (which change often). For the dozen times I have done Black Bear, I will admit that twice I had got to pucker point late.....light was diminishing, and it was raining. One time I slept till morning to complete the trail, and one trip I turned back deciding conditions were too sketchy.
Like the video and the camera shot from your "outrigger" but could've done without the music.
Thanks for the feedback.
I like the country song telling the story, thought it added humor to the video.
@@backcountryoverland103Or just the music and no wind noise!
Cool so my super duty should fit
Wanna take my Ram Rebel down!
when did you do this ? what month?
I did this on September 9th, 2016 to be exact. The trail is colsed throught the winter. The USFS opens it when the snow is cleared. It usually opens late June / early July and stays open as long as it's clear. I closes when the first major snow shuts it down in the fall which could be as early as September or as late as late October. Interestingly, I had planned a run about 10 days earlier and it was temporarily closed due to an early season snow. But warm September days kicked in and cleared it. I was out on a backcountry trip and was checking web sites for info. Another freid at home was following too and got me info they reopened it. I headed that way hoping to catch a clear day and run and luckily I did!
So...... It's one of those trails you need to always check on before you just go. You may need to have alternate plans on tap. And visa versa..... be ready to make a move to it if there was a temporary closure.
What do you air your tires down to? I want to get into some more similar stuff with my 05 RCLB 4x4 cummins. Running 285/70R17 10 ply Toyo ATs on H2 rims
I have a really good air system, so I can play with pressure a lot along the trail. I have an LSD rear and open front, so tire pressure is important for me. With my 8 ply 50 psi off road tires, I will run about 24 psi. for most trails. I'll get close to 18-20 if I think I need a bit more tire advantage. I've been in a sticky wicket or two where the need to go to 12-15 psi was warranted to get out of a bad spot, then air up again to near 20. Sand dune running 20-24 psi on average. Always in my mind is gentle steering to not break a bead.
I have two sets of off road tires. Both 37 x 12.50 17r # 1) BFG KO2 AT's on stock aluminum wheels. And # 2) Hankook Mud Terrains on factory steel wheels. My pressures mentioned work well with both tires. I recommend a good low pressure specific tire gauge, for airing down scenarios.
Put a sock over the mic next time to cut the wind noise.
Awesome, but would love to see turn 4 with that beast. Did you have to back down that portion or did you make the turn?
I made all the turns, staying nose first to the bottom. Turn 1 and 4 took a few back and forths to get around them. I've also run the Ram down it with my camper on it a few years ago. (A Hallmark LaVeta).
BackCountry Overland that makes me feel better about trying it with a double cab long bed taco, even the short wheel base jeeps seem to struggle with it, or maybe it was just the commentary from that guys wife lol
Do you think a double cab Toyota tundra would make it?
Yes sir !
Skilled driving of course !
well of course lol
Hairball part >> 4:24 hairball part II: 5:29
Why didn't we see you navigate the really tight switchbacks below that point?
A few reasons...... I was trying to keep the video to a short and sweet length. I was a one man show that day, so I didn't get a camera set up at the switch backs. I had to take my outrigger pole off the driver side because of how close you have to move to the left wall to make the #1 turn. I've done it a few times in this truck. The switchbacks are pretty straight forward and I've never had a problem on them. Maybe 1 extra back & forth movement on the tight ones.
Okay, The jeepers usually have someone standing outside the vehicle guiding the driver to the edge before he backs up. But if you were solo you had no one to guide you, so was just wondering how much harder that is. Thanks!!
Bits and pieces of video, you must have turned around.
Turned around where? This shows the trip down pucker point to the upper falls. The rest of the trip (switchbacks) to Telluride is easy.
Hi. Do you tink a 97 suburban with a 6 inch lift on 35 will make it ?
It should do fine. It will be a bit long on a few of the switchbacks, but take your time and "cut the pie" , and ease through them. I did it many years ago [about 1994] in an 89 Chevy short bed with a topper, IFS, 6 inch lift and 35's. just fine.
Just now viewed this video, didn't show any of the interesting portion of this road, I wonder why?
Not everyone likes to make long boring ass videos.
cocoa puffs !!
That is far as he went …… he turned around at that point .
Who turned around at what point ?
@@backcountryoverland103 Why else wouldn't there be included video from the rest of the trip down?
@@gregoryvaughn4349 The switchbacks are the easier section. (In my opinion) I didn't want to bore viewers with too long of a video. I wish I could post up a pic here of the truck at the first tight right hand switchback. I've done the Bear many times in many rigs (including a 1982 AMC Eagle) I have no reason tell a tall tale of something I didn't do. I did it all in this rig with the topper, and an earlier time with a Hallmark Camper on it. Just multi-point turns at the hairpins. No biggie.
@Roscoe Dogg That IS true. There is a sign for "the point of no return". But if you really have to you can double back from "Pucker Point". But once you descend the steps down, and get to Ingram Falls, you aren't supposed to go back up. Which I did not.
What size tires did you have?
BFG KO 2. 37x12.50R17
Turned around at the fall and went back up, dont lie.
Nope ! All the way to T~town.....
@@backcountryoverland103 hahaha! You got stones sir
What is best place to boondock with toy hauler near telluride, Black bear pass and engineer pass?
Sorry for the delay Dan.....was out and about, and usually not "connected" when out. There are many forest routes in the area that have dispersed camps along them. Not sure how big your set up is but you should be able to find a spot in the area. The bottom of Corkscrew Gulch comes to mind as a place I've seen pull behinds set up in the past. There are probably a few more places but honestly I haven't paid attention to that need. I will in the future though. Safe travels !
Ther are several pullout between lake city and engineer pass if you dont go over the 4th of July
Daniel,
I think the most UTV friendly place is Silverton, You can drive on some roads in town but all the trailheads are accessible.
Why people want to die there? Where There are many nice and pleasant place die.
Watch the trail not your camera!! Jesus man, your acting like a crazy person🤪🤯🧐
Yeah.....I kept checking the camera to make sure my gopro on a stick and duct tape was hanging in there..... I probably need a better set up. But in a pinch that's what I had. And......there's not much I can do about the "crazy part". ;-) Hehehe.
Why don't you try driving up the pass...anyone can go down it.
Actually....I would love to go "UP" it. It IS posted as one way down due to it's narrowness. If one was to meet opposing traffic, that would cause a dangerous issue plus clog general travel, and you'd wreak the wrath of the other trail users (if you met up with some there).
HOWEVER !!!! I do believe each year there is a weekend where you MAY run The Bear in reverse. The local Jeep club holds a lottery for a certain number of entries to run it backwards during a specific time frame that eliminate opposing traffic problems. I would do it in a heart beat if I got the chance.
MORE INFO: ----> www.fourwheeler.com/features/1609-black-bear-pass-once-a-year-backwards/
I've gone up many times on a dirt bike, we go down early mid week and usually no traffic. A bike can go up the steps in about a minute, and can turn around easy if needed. I don't think I would try in a jeep or UTV except on the reverse day, which I haven't done.
I'd like to see someone get to their oil change mileage and have to do it on that trail.
Well driving BBP uphill is much easier than downhill on a steep road like this. I did BBP both directions was fortunate to get a ticket in the Lottery some years ago.
Come on? You really have to air down for this road?
I air down on lots of "roads". Especially if there may be sharp talus rocks. The compliant tire surfaces tend to flex a bit before a sharp rock stabs through, particularly at the side wall. Less bouncy much smoother ride, and easier on front end parts and steering components from jerks and hits the trail may dish out. The traction benefits along pucker point are worth it to not get behind the 8 ball if there's an unexpected slip or slide. Not much room for error along there. So I "air" on the side of caution. ;-)
A couple years ago I was in a remote area in the Black Canyon of the Gunnison. I had not aired down thinking I was good with just one mile to go to camp. A big talus rock on trail right, where the slope hit the one lane trail, caught me by surprise. The truck jumped over about 18 inches with a huge jolt through the steering system. It bounced me right to the edge. As I steered back on to the trail I could hear sss-sss-sss-sss-sss as the tire rolled. A big sharp talus rock breached the sidewall of my 37x12.50 R17 Cooper ST Maxx. It took 8 plugs to stop the leak. Plugging the side not really recommended, but I wanted to test it and see how long it would hold. It did get me 350 miles before I decided to change it out and keep it for a still usable spare on that trip. I changed to my full size same tire spare. Expensive hit on a big tire. I don't think it would have been cut, or maybe not as bad, had it been aired down. So yes.....I air down. A good all around practice IMHO.
Have you ever driven any offroad trail in Ouray? That is why you are asking such a question. Nearly everybody airs down. Try running that trail without airing down. You will regret.
Jimmy is that you??!
Yup ~!
mic sux
Yeah, was using a go pro in its lexan case to protect it from the elements, not the best at audio. I've been looking at remote mic's, but not being the best AV guy out there I'm not sure what would be good. Any suggestions? Thanks.