Andy was an awesome host for this chat. Kept it on the rails, but let them cook. Asked the right questions with good context. The panel was the right diversity of focus' too. Great review convo.
Fantastic (fantazio?) review! Great job hosting Andy. Love whenever Michael joins, him Barrett and Bless are the perfect trio to give their thoughts on this. Loving the demo so far. Made it 40 hours into P5R before dropping off and haven’t gotten around to P3R yet, so this might be my first full game completion from the Atlus team!
When it comes to the team, it is not the entire Persona 5 team but just the leads and some other guys. A lot of the old leads are still on the remakes and Persona 6, they did like a split. The SMT teams did the same thing as well but just a decade ago or two even, holy shit i feel old. After Blessing said what he is usually into i thought of an Atlus Cyberpunk game and i now need that in my life.
I never really got into JRPGs but I've been obsessed with Yakuza for years, so when they recently started doing turn-based, I was apprehensive but ended up loving the games. Fast foward and a few months later, i'm playing Persona 3 reload on gamepass and it's awesome. Now, I'm stoked for this. I also picked up P5 Royal. Lets goooo!!!
Finally a reviewer saying he quit a game because there was other games to review and that he felt he didn't had the time to play it instead of saying the usual "it's too bloated". There are a lot of "bloated" games but I never trust the word of someone that had to play 90 hours in a week to tell me what's bloated or not.
So glad to hear Barret mention the start of the game isn’t the best section. I’ve been looking forward to the game for years, but wasn’t feeling the demo.
Andy is really good at leading review discussions. Great episode guys. Looking forward to trying Metaphor once I can afford it. It'll be my first Atlas game so I'm stoked.
I’m really sorry, and I say this with the same love in my heart for you guys that I’ve had all these years watching you: This SH2 take has to at least be a top contender, if not the winner, of worst Greg take. Not because he didn’t like it, but because his reasons seemed so contrived and willfully ignorant (either that or he didn’t express his thoughts well enough). Still love you tho bud just had to speak the truth…
Andy saying he liked it, just didn’t “70-80 hours like it” is the most real thing and my relationship with P5. Enjoyed my time but not 100hrs worth of it
I played the demo and I loved the fighting, the characters and the overall story. Then I finally got to the day/night part where you're having to decide what to spend time doing and was like "oh no" Flashbacks to my time in p5 and p5r where I was so bored washing laundry or batting cages or movies
I find myself agreeing with this sorta sentiment these days. Honestly, I just don't have the time for games and stories that are THAT long. I wish more games would deliver a main campaign of 25 hours max or something. And then, have great side stories to compliment that for those wanting more.
@@AgentAika001awe haha, those were literally my favorite parts of P5, I spent sooo much time in the batting cages my first playthrough, I’ve now beaten P5 for times and P5R twice lol
Currently they are both on 94 but Metaphor only has 31 reviews at the moment. Later reviewers are often a bit harsher and a game often drops a percentage point or two. But perhaps this will buck the trend and go up!
@themightyant. Between astrobot, ff7 and this, metaphor is the only one launching on multiple platforms. Cumulatively, metaphor has around 70+reviews, which is still about half of those other games. I always find it difficult to appreciate the high scores when they have a significantly lower pool of critic reviews.
@@MRayGames yeah but there isn’t any other reviews coming out right now. It’s probably gonna be a slow burn when it comes to reviews coming in, I only see it dropping a percent, 93
@@fittedgosling5426 I don't necessarily expect it to drop by much, if at all. I just wouldn't call it the best reviewed game at this stage given its lower total review count. It also has one mixed review, which the others do not. I guess this is the issue with aggregates
Opencritic has 65 reviews and it's sat in 3rd or 4th overall for the year in terms of score think it's got a 93 or 92 amazing really for a new IP it will most certainly be in the convo for GOTY I think I'm deffo getting it as it looks to be a culmination of everything Atlas achieved with Persona and SMT.
Hearing the IGN guy talk about how it's rooted in the real world and politics I just didn't see that. Just a really good sci-fi with a well carved out world. It's deep and good storytelling I'm loving it so far.
The voice acting thing to me is one of the biggest negatives. It really makes me feel like I should just skip the chat when they're not talking. But they probably will make a enhanced version with new voice acting and cut scenes
Atlus said that they're not doing another definitive version of games after the initial game launched moving forward after the backlash for P5R and SMTV:V. They're just doing DLC for the games, it'll be expensive dlc but, at least it won't be a new version of the same game with added features.
We need more Barrett on camera. I feel like the younger cast of KF can often reduce things down into giggly hot takes which is fun and I enjoy those but it’s really refreshing to see Barrett drop some really insightful takes on stuff. Let’s get more video essays and reviews from CEO Jnr please 🙏
I've been dodging reviews and such cause I'm a HUGE Persona sicko so I already knew I was gonna play Metaphor and very likely enjoy it, but I really wanted to hear Barrett's review and god damn that was the only vibe check i needed. I'm counting down the daaaaays!!
I've dabbled with Persona off and on for a few years, never fully committed to it, (around 15 hours in P4 Golden and 4 hours in 5). I'm hoping this is the game that opens the doors to Atlus' games I think I prefer a fantasy power dynamic story over role playing as a teenager.
As someone who really wanted to like and get into P5 Royal but couldn’t is it still worth trying or would you say they are similar to the point probably wouldn’t enjoy this one as well.
I really wish I could get into the music more 😕 I’m clearly not the audience as I played Persona for the first time at 5 BECAUSE of the style, but I was still disappointed at how weird(?) the musical style of this felt. To Barrett’s point, P5 invented jazz (jk) and thus that’s where my allegiance lies. This review does give me BAD fomo though. Demo didn’t grab me regardless but…I might still buy it…
I’m honestly pretty sad the people at KF haven’t played any mainline smt games. Hashino was known for smt nocturne before persona 3, and it’s my favorite game ever. I’m not exactly thrilled with some design decisions from modern persona games, which is why smtvv is my goty so far. A lot of talk about how Atlus does jrpgs so well but haven’t played any mainline smt, etrian odyssey, or things like devil survivor or strange journey. I know everyone’s busy, though but look out for their other stuff in the future! Anyways, excited for Metaphor. Played the demo and hard mode was challenging, so I’m in.
Yeah it's a bit jarring. Especially since SMT is where the true gameplay depth lies for Atlus games with systems so much more complex than Persona, especially since SMT games are way harder which forces you to understand the depth.
Andy brushing off Steam Deck is bizarre, because if it runs well enough on SD that’s automatically the best platform for this game. These 100 hour Atlus games should be played portably when possible
@@TheAndyCortez damn that’s unfortunate. I’m wondering at what stage you tested it, because supposedly the performance on SD improved greatly with the most recent patch. Alas
If Barrett wasn’t in this review I would not even have watched it because I have trust issues with the rest for always not finishing their games before a review
Damn this review got me so hyped I downloaded the demo right away and then I immediately lost all momentum. As someone who has never played an ATLUS game this demo was not very clear on what to do, super drawn out and very busy with all the ui elements and endless talking A pretty big miss for me unfortunately maybe I'd pick it up for $20-$30 if it ever gets that cheap but I almost had nothing In this first section that would bring me back to play the full game imo 😢
@@drdressays I’m saying give the time and score just like everyone else does. He his always extra. I don’t mind the background but give the answer upfront then get into it.
Trying really hard to find what you mean. Sorry if you felt like something was spoiled but I personally think we did everything to keep things light - Barrett
I think they MIGHT mean what blessing is talking about, starting at about 37:30? But if so, I feel like that is being VERY sensitive to spoilers@@KindaFunnyGames
Andy doing a GREAT JOB as host on this one
Great to see you invited San Francisco resident Blessing Adeoye back for a guest spot
Andy was an awesome host for this chat. Kept it on the rails, but let them cook. Asked the right questions with good context. The panel was the right diversity of focus' too. Great review convo.
I dig Andy hosting man good shit
thanks!
Fantastic (fantazio?) review! Great job hosting Andy. Love whenever Michael joins, him Barrett and Bless are the perfect trio to give their thoughts on this.
Loving the demo so far. Made it 40 hours into P5R before dropping off and haven’t gotten around to P3R yet, so this might be my first full game completion from the Atlus team!
40 hours into P5R? You might as well finish that game. Cause it just keeps ramping up until the end.
Yoko taro praised this game that’s the only review you need
When it comes to the team, it is not the entire Persona 5 team but just the leads and some other guys. A lot of the old leads are still on the remakes and Persona 6, they did like a split. The SMT teams did the same thing as well but just a decade ago or two even, holy shit i feel old.
After Blessing said what he is usually into i thought of an Atlus Cyberpunk game and i now need that in my life.
I love the Lain shirt
Just wanna give a shout out to Andy for hosting this and thought he did a phenomenal job!
thank you!
Agreed!
I never really got into JRPGs but I've been obsessed with Yakuza for years, so when they recently started doing turn-based, I was apprehensive but ended up loving the games. Fast foward and a few months later, i'm playing Persona 3 reload on gamepass and it's awesome. Now, I'm stoked for this. I also picked up P5 Royal. Lets goooo!!!
P5 Royal is probably the greatest jrpg ever made
Finally a reviewer saying he quit a game because there was other games to review and that he felt he didn't had the time to play it instead of saying the usual "it's too bloated". There are a lot of "bloated" games but I never trust the word of someone that had to play 90 hours in a week to tell me what's bloated or not.
i also wasn't tasked with playing the game either. i just decided to try it out for fun.
@@TheAndyCortez makes it even better then. Thanks for the honesty.
Agreed.
So glad to hear Barret mention the start of the game isn’t the best section. I’ve been looking forward to the game for years, but wasn’t feeling the demo.
Slow burn world building. I understood what they were doing.
The good news is, it sounds like the game opens up fast after that first dungeon.
Andy is really good at leading review discussions. Great episode guys. Looking forward to trying Metaphor once I can afford it. It'll be my first Atlas game so I'm stoked.
Man, I wasn't excited for this game until I heard yall's reviews. Now it seems like its a must play this year. We are eating good this October!
I’m really sorry, and I say this with the same love in my heart for you guys that I’ve had all these years watching you:
This SH2 take has to at least be a top contender, if not the winner, of worst Greg take. Not because he didn’t like it, but because his reasons seemed so contrived and willfully ignorant (either that or he didn’t express his thoughts well enough). Still love you tho bud just had to speak the truth…
I'm here to defend Barett because rock candy was in Earthbound and it also raised base stats 🤓
Cool to see Andy hosting Gamescast.
Looking forward to this one, playing P3R for the first time right now.
Andy saying he liked it, just didn’t “70-80 hours like it” is the most real thing and my relationship with P5. Enjoyed my time but not 100hrs worth of it
I played the demo and I loved the fighting, the characters and the overall story. Then I finally got to the day/night part where you're having to decide what to spend time doing and was like "oh no"
Flashbacks to my time in p5 and p5r where I was so bored washing laundry or batting cages or movies
I find myself agreeing with this sorta sentiment these days. Honestly, I just don't have the time for games and stories that are THAT long.
I wish more games would deliver a main campaign of 25 hours max or something. And then, have great side stories to compliment that for those wanting more.
@@AgentAika001awe haha, those were literally my favorite parts of P5, I spent sooo much time in the batting cages my first playthrough, I’ve now beaten P5 for times and P5R twice lol
Dang I put prolly 160 hours into persona 5 and persona 5 royal.
@@fragr33f74I mean, there are tons of games like that, especially indies.
I bloody love Andy’s hosting and question leading style
I think the metacritic makes it the highest rated game of the year, or tied with Astro bot
Currently they are both on 94 but Metaphor only has 31 reviews at the moment. Later reviewers are often a bit harsher and a game often drops a percentage point or two. But perhaps this will buck the trend and go up!
@themightyant. Between astrobot, ff7 and this, metaphor is the only one launching on multiple platforms. Cumulatively, metaphor has around 70+reviews, which is still about half of those other games. I always find it difficult to appreciate the high scores when they have a significantly lower pool of critic reviews.
@@MRayGames yeah but there isn’t any other reviews coming out right now. It’s probably gonna be a slow burn when it comes to reviews coming in, I only see it dropping a percent, 93
@@fittedgosling5426 I don't necessarily expect it to drop by much, if at all. I just wouldn't call it the best reviewed game at this stage given its lower total review count. It also has one mixed review, which the others do not. I guess this is the issue with aggregates
Opencritic has 65 reviews and it's sat in 3rd or 4th overall for the year in terms of score think it's got a 93 or 92 amazing really for a new IP it will most certainly be in the convo for GOTY I think I'm deffo getting it as it looks to be a culmination of everything Atlas achieved with Persona and SMT.
Hearing the IGN guy talk about how it's rooted in the real world and politics I just didn't see that. Just a really good sci-fi with a well carved out world. It's deep and good storytelling I'm loving it so far.
This is KFG Vol. 3, Episode 109 (Episode 593 overall)
Barrets description of why Metaphor is a masterpiece echoes what I felt about Black Myth's story and in extension, Journey to the West.
The voice acting thing to me is one of the biggest negatives. It really makes me feel like I should just skip the chat when they're not talking. But they probably will make a enhanced version with new voice acting and cut scenes
Atlus said that they're not doing another definitive version of games after the initial game launched moving forward after the backlash for P5R and SMTV:V. They're just doing DLC for the games, it'll be expensive dlc but, at least it won't be a new version of the same game with added features.
As a fan of both Rush and SEL, y'all's shirt-game was on. Point.
We need more Barrett on camera. I feel like the younger cast of KF can often reduce things down into giggly hot takes which is fun and I enjoy those but it’s really refreshing to see Barrett drop some really insightful takes on stuff. Let’s get more video essays and reviews from CEO Jnr please 🙏
12:00 P5R doesn’t have full VA for Confidants.
Love Andy hosting! LET ANDY HOST
Andy, love your Rush Tee ! One of my favorite bands \m/
I've been dodging reviews and such cause I'm a HUGE Persona sicko so I already knew I was gonna play Metaphor and very likely enjoy it, but I really wanted to hear Barrett's review and god damn that was the only vibe check i needed. I'm counting down the daaaaays!!
I have been looking forward to this game but i don't know if I have the 80+ hours like i did back in the day
Andy smashed hosting. Excited to try this game. After DBZ of course.
Andy killing it as host
I've dabbled with Persona off and on for a few years, never fully committed to it, (around 15 hours in P4 Golden and 4 hours in 5). I'm hoping this is the game that opens the doors to Atlus' games I think I prefer a fantasy power dynamic story over role playing as a teenager.
I love Andy as a host, he's just a lil guy :3
I've only played the demo but I've definitely gotten a final fantasy vibe. I think this one is game is gonna be special
Barrett and cokes is going to get me to try this, I've never played an atlus game.
I am at that point of watching enough KF that I can guess the upcoming panel based on the topic lol
ayyyyy Barrett on the panel!
Is this the Demo review or the whole game?
Whole game without spoilers.
Bro... you cannot give something a 10.5/10 😂
idk how anyone beat Wakaba in P5 on normal
hot damn. Andy is a great host
As someone who really wanted to like and get into P5 Royal but couldn’t is it still worth trying or would you say they are similar to the point probably wouldn’t enjoy this one as well.
I really wish I could get into the music more 😕 I’m clearly not the audience as I played Persona for the first time at 5 BECAUSE of the style, but I was still disappointed at how weird(?) the musical style of this felt. To Barrett’s point, P5 invented jazz (jk) and thus that’s where my allegiance lies. This review does give me BAD fomo though. Demo didn’t grab me regardless but…I might still buy it…
Soo...Like A Dragon Is JRPG GOTY Still ?
I’m honestly pretty sad the people at KF haven’t played any mainline smt games. Hashino was known for smt nocturne before persona 3, and it’s my favorite game ever. I’m not exactly thrilled with some design decisions from modern persona games, which is why smtvv is my goty so far. A lot of talk about how Atlus does jrpgs so well but haven’t played any mainline smt, etrian odyssey, or things like devil survivor or strange journey. I know everyone’s busy, though but look out for their other stuff in the future! Anyways, excited for Metaphor. Played the demo and hard mode was challenging, so I’m in.
Yeah it's a bit jarring. Especially since SMT is where the true gameplay depth lies for Atlus games with systems so much more complex than Persona, especially since SMT games are way harder which forces you to understand the depth.
Yall always reviewing games you didn't finish.
Those IGN reviews are getting more and more basic, milk toast, dear diary my this weeks crush is...
The calendar mechanics annoyed me in P4 Golden, but I want to give this a shot
It's the one thing I was hoping they would drop with this game. Not a fan
why is barret bald?
Why do you care?
Same reason I’m going bald (shit just happens)
His been bald for awhile, and good on him rocking it 🦾
Andy brushing off Steam Deck is bizarre, because if it runs well enough on SD that’s automatically the best platform for this game. These 100 hour Atlus games should be played portably when possible
i played about 5 hours on steam deck, it just didn't look or run great
@@TheAndyCortez damn that’s unfortunate. I’m wondering at what stage you tested it, because supposedly the performance on SD improved greatly with the most recent patch. Alas
If Barrett wasn’t in this review I would not even have watched it because I have trust issues with the rest for always not finishing their games before a review
GOTY
🙏
Damn this review got me so hyped I downloaded the demo right away and then I immediately lost all momentum.
As someone who has never played an ATLUS game this demo was not very clear on what to do, super drawn out and very busy with all the ui elements and endless talking
A pretty big miss for me unfortunately maybe I'd pick it up for $20-$30 if it ever gets that cheap but I almost had nothing In this first section that would bring me back to play the full game imo 😢
Andy: Barrett how long you play and what’s the score?
Barrett: (long winded answer)
Just be concise my guy, you ramble to much
disagree! i thought the background context and high level impressions he shared were engaging!
@@drdressays I’m saying give the time and score just like everyone else does. He his always extra. I don’t mind the background but give the answer upfront then get into it.
@@ShanksTCGnah, let him do what he does.
Garbage takes
Sucks this game will be overshadowed by Sparking Zero 😔
Other than blessing i haven't really seen anybody talking about sparking zero
Pretty funny joke.
First! Very good!
Ah god, the mention of politics and the fact this group liked what they're saying scares the shit out of me lol
Grow up
Andy Cortez will be loving a political game, dude is unhinged.
lol
This show stinks
we're trying, linda
There are endgame spoilers around the 35 minute mark. Don’t watch this if you don’t want to story spoiled.
Well that stops me at the 2 minute mark glad I read this thanks for the heads up.
Exited out 15seconds into the video. Thanks for the heads up.
Trying really hard to find what you mean. Sorry if you felt like something was spoiled but I personally think we did everything to keep things light - Barrett
I think they MIGHT mean what blessing is talking about, starting at about 37:30? But if so, I feel like that is being VERY sensitive to spoilers@@KindaFunnyGames
I have no idea what you're talking about... I watched this whole video, and they mentioned absolutely nothing that wasn't in the demo