10 Digimon You'll NEVER See Again!
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- A lot of Digimon are underused but there are 10 Digimon I firmly believe you'll NEVER see again! Well I say NEVER but I guess you could see these 10 Digimon again... but it's not likely lol
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00:00 - Intro
01:10 - Number 10
01:20 - Number 9
02:38 - Number 8
03:37 - Number 7
04:26 - Number 6
05:40 - Number 5
06:46 - Number 4
07:44 - Number 3
09:10 - Number 2
10:49 - Number 1
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Happy Sunday, notification legends, it means the world you'd check out another video! Hope you enjoy this one and remember TO FORGOT NUMBER 10 HAPPENED!
God i saw that silluethe and yeah thats the one that needs to be burried
What in Devimon's name happened?
Come on nuber 10 must be a fake!
Navimon will probably come back as porn. If T-AI from Transformers can get porn. I'm sure that Navimon will.
How about a navimon return we’re she’s shown to be a angelic digimon called angnavimon (angle-navigation-monster) aka the angle of direction. Maybe the profile would sound like.
No one really knows we’re angnavimon came from. It is said she was a child lost in the digital world, it is said the child helped younger digimon find their family’s when ever she found a lost child digimon. Thusly one of digimon gods supposedly did the impossible and maid a human into a digimon. Angnavimon is so good with navigation she never misses her attacks and they always connect. She’s always keeping a eye out for wayward digimon and will help them find their way. Angnavimon may sound weak but underestimate her and you will feel the pain of her sharp shooter arrow witch is said to cause surgical levels of pain to those hit by it. If your really set in your path to cause angnavimon or friends harm then she will unleash her perfect snipers blast. A move that can pierce most any armor and once it hits it causes a explosion that destroys most lesser digimon.
And if they do that they need to make a devimon counter part called lostymon.
It definitely makes me sad to see the Digimon made for fans not used, if bandai made a digimon for me and I never got to see it in the anime or at least a game I'd be a little disappointed, I'm sure those fans would be ecstatic to see their Digimon in official media
I agree!
But at least they got official art
For sure, I would be so elated & show everyone I ever met. “Watch this Digimon episode! That’s MY Digimon!” Lol
My exact thinking. I’d love to see a digimon I created used in media.
Why I plan to never let fans down, like Capcom I'd do contests. Winners get there creations in toy form (I am trying to start a toy company) and they would get a special version to keep.
Especially anyone with cancer or terminal illness, trust me I hate Cancer, made it so my Grandmother never saw my dad have a son (me) and nearly cost me him twice.
Woodwoodymon also appears to be partly based on articulated wooden anatomical models used by artists. I actually have one on my desk that looks very similar.
I feel like most of these wouldn't be a huge loss if we never saw again, but the 20th anniversary backer mons never having anything else would make me sad. I think part of what makes them such good designs is the stories tied to them. Plus, they all have fairly interesting and unique qualities that would be really cool to see in official media, even if it was slotted in as a background character or something.
Following Chaos Gallantmon, I've noticed an absence of Black Guilmon. Black Growlmon, Black WarGrowlmon, and Chaos Gallantmon are all in the card game, yet Black Guilmon is absent
BlackGuilmon is also absent from the Reference Book too.
I think they forgot it existed and just think the Black line starts at Growlmon, like it does for the Orange/Medieval one.
Yeah, it seems like something they've decided to just brush under the rug. It's particularly telling when they skipped over it twice in sets featuring the rest of the line.
It did debut a couple years after the rest of its line, and only appeared in a single game, so it's not too big of a deal.
Black Guilmon was a DBC/DRA2 exclusive. It doesn't even have a proper art at all, all the ones around are recolors.
I always wanted to see official art for Earthdramon. Would love to see a combination evolution for it with Airdramon, and Seasdramon called Terradramon
WoodDeputymon and RexTyrannomon need to happen now
Facts lol
BuzzAndromon
If Bandai is too afraid to use the crowdfund-Digimon out of respect for just how personalized they were to them, what they could do instead would be to create _similar_ Digimon that they could use instead, basically treat the original group as more personalized variations kinda like Professor Agumon, or the King-version of Shoutmon appearently as well. I feel that'd be the perfect middle ground there.
Also, only reason I know of WoodWoodymon is because I saw someone insert it between Deputymon and MagnaKidmon iirc in their evolution-line... was around the same time I learned of CaptainHookmon. Also I'm pretty sure around the time I discovered this channel. I was in a very Digimon mood that week and UA-cam took notice, leading me here.
I love the fanmade Digimon that had a personal backstory to their design. Your idea about those Digimon being made into promo cards sounds nice.
I would love to see ChaosGallantmon get that 'Chaos Mode" back but renamed to Azure Mode or something as a similar counterpart to Crimson Mode. There is a lot of potential there and it'd make a lot of sense honestly. But given how long it has been like Imperialdramon Dragon Paladin Mode it is probably cursed to be toy only forever.
Chaos Mode makes more sense as it's truly giving into its Virus traits and is basically Megidramon in knight form
I would agree with that if it wasn't already called ChaosGallantmon. Either would work but I just like the sound of ChaosGallantmon Azure Mode more than ChaosGallantmon Chaos Mode personally.
Navimon from the instruction manual could be re-released under the name Tutorimon or Torimon if she doesn't have any curated prevos.
Citramon could be secretly released in a future game where you can only find him on April Fools Day.
Or shadow drop it in the card game on the same day.
I think Bun could be re-released as a gimmick Digimon that can't evolve and it's stats would be randomized so that half the time it would lose, while the other half it could win? Something similar to how Bun works in his debut, but fair.
Also, the Come On Digimon! Version of MetalGreymon? Yes Please!
Maybe Gallantmon Chaos Mode could be used in Seekers? Sorry, I got nothing on this one.
Something I'd like to see be "revived" is Gaiamon, the thing Ragnamon was trying to become.
This. I intended this to be the end boss in a couple of, sadly unfinished fanfics I wrote, and I planned on it being basically a Digimon version of Unicron.
@@akl2k7 Neat, I normally use the Seven Lords(original I know /j)
I imagine it would look like a mix between Necrozma from Pokemon, Gaia from God of War, and Gongen Wyzen from Asura's Wrath. An Ultra so massive that it could wrap around the entire Digital World and travels between the multiverse, devouring any world it comes across. It could easily be the Digimon equivalent to Galactus and a major boss to fight, chipping away at it's body to weaken it until entering it's brain and fighting it's core (kind of like Abaddomon and Alderon from Fairy Tail 100-Year Quest). A smaller core could be the physical Gaiamon we can get as a Digivolution and it's special move would summon the head of it's giant form to attack, much like Eternatus' move. How does that sound?
I hope one day we get a Tinmon/Blikmon card, but the fact that he got referenced in the ToyAgumon card is exactly what got me into the TCG.
2:04 They called it "Lightdramon" in ReArise too, though they also went with "Omegamon" in ReArise so it's clear they weren't using the localized names while the DCG went with "Omnimon". The DCG also used "Huckmon" instead of "Hackmon" so you could very well be onto something.
If I was a fan that got my own Digimon I would be sad for it to not be used in official media. Even the more sad ones I feel are important to have. There are plenty of people who can relate to having a sick loved one or a pet dying and telling that story in Digimon could really help people process their emotions.
I love that you included that direct clip as I was the person who brought up Pokemon being in it but even I didn't expect for them to immediately start with Pokemon
I remember when Ghost Game created a new Digimon that looked like an Appmon, acted like an Evil Appmon, and then its design is extremely close to one Appmon with some of the same 'functions'.
Two more Digimon we won't ever see again for sure: Angelamon and Ninnymon from the weird Digimon and Angela Anaconda crossover they added to the first digimon movie.
Very true haha
Those are just not a loss. That short really sinked the chache for the serie anywjere it wasn't already a thing. Many dub doesn't really have the credit for that....
Don't forget Ginamon & Johnnymon as well. Also for the holidays Fox Kids bumper Snowballmon & Snowmanmon.
5:41 Yeah Karn, I don't think we will ever see those armor Digimon.
Even in the CD Drama, I believe Tentomon or Gomamon said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Yeah normally we can't armor evolve, but nothing is making sense right now so we might as well try.". When even the CD Drama where they were created pretty much says "Yeah we can't do this." I don't think we will ever see these Digimons again.
Exactly yeah
When youre so early you see comments posted 3 weeks or days ago
Haha this one's been on early access for a while yeah
Ah right that makes sense xD. Another Great video thank you!
These are the kinds of videos I love! Learning about Hubmon was great!
Thank you Tippy!
Great video, per usual, Karn Ex! Decidedly I certainly agree with most of the choices on this list in regards to digimon thay we're unlikely to see again. Especially that certain... "questionable" Agumon variant And WoodWoodymon, funny as it would be to see them debut in an actual Digimon series (the latter, at least, lol)
Weirdly enough? Navi mon is my number one for a mon I want to see come back. When corrupting the “evil,” spirits was still in discussion, I was working on a whole ass dumb project that used her.
I mean rurimon is just such a fun design. Out of all the ones here I’d love to see the magic Dino
Me too, it and Pyontomon are my faves of that bunch
@@Karn_EX Love him too because of how unique he is. A jackalope just makes sense for a digimon. Would love to see a full evo line
@@Karn_EX Pyontomon is a legit fantastic design
Alway nice to see top 10 Digimon lists. Great work Karn keep it up and thank you for getting me into the card game
Aww thank you, glad I could help!
i would love to see ganvivormon on a dim that's based around good-aligned robot/program themed digimon, like being an anti-virus digimon, and pyontamon on like a beast-man warrior themed dim
While we're on the subject of American toy exclusive Digimon... The Digimon Digivolution toy line had a figure of Imperialdramon that transforms from Dragon mode to Fighter mode. This figure was also repainted in the Paladin Mode colors which means there is a white version of Imperialdramon Dragon Mode that has never officially appeared in fiction and literally only exists as a toy.
The figure was also given a SLIGHT remold because the original version in the black colors has closed fists and since Paladin Mode has Omnimon's sword the recolored version does also have remolded hands that allow him to actually hold onto a new sword accessory the original toy didn't have. There is a slight inaccuracy though because Paladin mode doesn't have the cannon that Dragon mode and Fighter mode do but the repaint still includes the cannon piece from the original version. And I have no idea where the sword is suppose to go in Dragon Mode, I would have assumed they'd include a clip to just attach it where the cannon was meant to be but since he still has his cannon there's literally no other place to put it.
Oddly enough BlackAgumon was originally also a toy exclusive Digimon that came from repainting the Warp Digivolving toy from Agumon to WarGreymon in BlackWarGreymon's colors but they did eventually make BlackAgumon an official Digimon later on. Imperialdramon Dragon mode in Paladin mode colors still doesn't have any official art work though, it's literally just that one toy. It doesn't even really have an official name to separate it out from the regular Dragon mode.
Actually BlackAgumon debuted in the Digital Monster Card Game Starter Set Ver. 3 which came out in April of 2000 just 1 month after BlackWarGreymon debut on March 4, 2000 as a promotional card during the 2000 Spring Toei Anime Fair.
Dragon Paladin mode should just use the sword the same way like Sif in dark souls does imo, i think that would be hilarious
Woodwoodymon would genuinely be a perfect evolution for Deputymon actually.
Been watching through your older videos when I got to the Dark Masters evolution video and got the idea of What If the other masters got their own version of Voltboutamon. Fusing them with a previous ultimate level Adventure villain. Like Puppetmon + Etemon ,Machinedramon + Datamon, and i guess MetalSeadramon and Scorpiomon?
As a huge ChaosGallantmon fan I have this urge to argue your point, but with how Banco does their things I have little hope for Gallantmon Chaos Mode or even a ChaosGallantmon X antibody. Loved the video though and keep on my fellow tamer
Happy Sunday Karn EX!
As always, Thanks for increasing my knowledge of Digimon.
Man, I forgot Number 10 even existed... What about Housemon, the final lackey of Puppetmon's from the first series of Digimon Adventure and the Dark Masters Arc, who, as far as I am aware, was only given an actual name in the Manga Adaptation for Digimon Adventure? It's that one that, while Puppetmon was off to one side laughing hysterically, before MetalGarurumon came and sicced him, nearly squashed WarGreymon, he used it as a diversion after Garudamon broke his main weapon, that staff with the revolver thing on the end that he used for his "Puppet Pummel" attack! Now, I wonder how many people reading this even remember he was a thing!
The entire Digimon fandom will hold hands in spirit the day Bandai gives Technodramon an appearance.
Ive always thought Chaos Gallentmom should have digivolved into Megidramon instead of it just being a dark mega for Guilmon. It would make it seem like much more of a threat as an Ultra than a regular Mega. It wouldnt work in the anime but it would work better with the lore of Megidramon
I like Megidramon existing as a warning for Guilmon that go down the wrong path, and that ChaosGallantmon & Megidramon being so similar they can Slide Evolve from one to the other when desired. These are really good ideas that should stay... however I'm entirely down for a new Megidramon as ChaosGallantmon's final form. Maybe born during one Slide Evolution gone wrong, all that's left is a body mix-matched of the fiendish dragon and unholy knight, with any sense of self either had before lost to the overwhelming power caused by the new existence of two separate Digital Hazards in one body.
i'll always keep fighting for Bun to be considered a real Digimon.
I actually hope we get to see some kind of additional Gallantmon evolution in the future, Gallantmon Chaos Mode or not.
Grimson Mode feels so exclusive to original Gallantmon that it feels weird evolving Crimson Mode on top of any other Digimon.
While we do have the lovely lore bit of Chaos Gallantmon and Megidramon being the same Digimon, and a lovely interaction in the card game where you can sac EX3 Megidramon for EX4 ChaosGallantmon’s Trash effect, and then use Digital Translator to evolve ChaosGallantmon into another EX3 Megidramon; that FEELS more like a Mode Change than a genuine upgrade.
ChaosGallantmon has its “Core” form, like Ofanimon, from Dawn & Dusk, but outside of a potential card in EX5, I don’t think we’ll see either Core form again soon.
And then there’s MedievalGallantmon, who doesn’t even have a formal connection. Are they the final form of the Yellow Growlmon and WarGrowlmon variants? Is their canon line some how different and doesn’t involve the Growls at all? Is there a MedievalChaosdramon out there somewhere?
I just want ChaosGallantmon to get a bit of love… all I ask
Given Disney's 100-year anniversary, and Bandai making that Disney Rider belt, it would be fun to see Digimon collab with Disney again. Maybe then Woodwoodymon could be utilized.
That's why BomberNanimon was censored into Citramon.
Random idea while you're still looking at comments, a list of the Top 10 most valuable Digimon Merchandise sold and/or unsold
In consideration but dope idea!
It's a shame those 5 fan Digimon have never been used there all great designs, my personal favourite would be rorimon( guessing at the spelling sorry if it's wrong) I'd love to see a full evolution line for it based on greymon given its similarity to argumon
Rurimon is such a great design, I would love having a spellcaster dragon as my Digimon partner
4:10 “grungally” is the perfect word for that thing, I dunno if it exists but this is the first time I heard it and it’s perfect
Angelamon from that weird Angela Anaconda/Digimon movie crossover thing hopefully never comes back
Hah, that's a good one!
This video has mad classic era karn vibes. I actually only really got into digimon because the algorithm recommended me one of your older vids in mid 2021 and it all spiralled from there; so in a way I became weirdly nostalgic for your older content
I remember Techdramon. Also a Digitmon created from someone who took part in the Contests. Its still not used even tough it already has a cool Name. Heck as i heard the Name i came up with a whole Digivolution Line for it except the Mega Level. I loved theIdea behind it. And i think the Original Creators Techdramon are great as a Music Digimon.
My honourable mentions to this would be Regulumon and the Arkadimon-line because of Regulusmon and the Algomon-line
man. its so sweet that that guy had the once in a lifetime opportunity of having a digimon made specifically for you, and what he wanted was a digimon to make his sick wife feel better. a gesture like that would make me so insanely emotional 😭
As for the crowdfunding Digimon, Animal Crossing has someone's passed-on grandmother as a villager character, a wolf named Audie.
before the list started, I was thinking "oh, probably something like Hitl*ermon. haha, wouldnt that be funny"}
and forgot that agumon version existed... hehe
One Digimon design I wish they brought back was the original debut for Cherrymon in Digimon World 1. That thing was a nightmare but for whatever reason, I love it. XD
Another one we'll never see again is UlforceVeedramon Future Mode, it even had to be removed entirely from the online game because apparently they actually lost the rights to it because of some contract cerfuffles, and as such don't technically own it anymore, so they can't use it anymore.
I think at this point we need a Time After Time video
I both enjoy and love your content. Especially your what ifs My question is two. What would happen if the Digimon survive cast could biomerge or had access to the season four spirits
Gabumon becoming an Armor Nine-tail for the audio drama is both hilarious and cool. Art on it would be amazing.
Appmon X antibody variants?
BANDAI.. LET KARN COOK
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Does anyone remember Thomas Sister from Digimon? Would it be nice if she had a partner to why do I feel like I’m the only one who thinks that she hasn’t had a partner it would’ve been nice if they actually gave her partner in the series.
hahaha i have the chaos gallantmon toy! Such much fun when i was a kid with the toy.
HYOKOMON MY BOY PLEASE APPEAR AGAIN!!!
(I know Hyokomon and it's line ain't here BUT STIL)
I hold out hope every day haha
Wouldn't mind Black Guilmon , and their Evolutions, as well as X Variants of those evolutions
Not only for fresh artwork of the characters, but to also bring them up to their Light side Rival and their many forms
WHO'S THAT DIGIMON?
*dun dun dun*
IT'S HIT-
😂
Come on it is obviously fake!
That's actually a great custom art video idea giving the advantage mons a armor evolution.
I think giving them 2 one there own crest armor so Agumon getting courage but a second one for their partner in Adventure so Agumon also getting a friendship armor. Because patamon and gatomon already have their crest armors they get 1 with each other's crest.
I wish Hubmon was official, there's not enough snake digimon.
Agreed
Definitely not some forgotten digimon that'll never appear again but im so desperate for chronomon (my favorite digimon line) line fans to eat again that I was legit hyped at chicchimon getting a cameo on ghost game lmao
I think that Metal Garurumon (Red) is lost forever and all those digimon, like Generamon or Earthdramon.
Great, now I need to see a video about Digimon versions of other Toy Story characters, like Woodwoodymon
Another great video can't wait for the next one
Thanks so much!
They were taken from us without being given a chance U-U- ChaosDukemon you won't be forgotten.
Some were definitely, though some might be better off dead haha
@@Karn_EX Point taken xD
Loved the video karn !
Thanks 😁
There is actually more to number 10. In game he goes by Fuhrer and he is basically not even a unique digimon. He is just an agumon with hair a mustache and an arm band to look like hitler. He has gathered a group of agumon which he has basically made identify themselves by numbers painted on them. The have gathered in a location near gear savannah due to a prophecy predicting File Island sinking into the ocean. To meet Fuhrer the player has to locate a membership card to fool two of the agumon guarding the entrance. Once they meet him Fuhrer will deny that his group is responsible for smashing the toilets on file island (the actual culprits for that crime are actually the Sukamon lead by KingSukamon) in fact surprisingly the Fuhrer and his agumon compatriots didn’t commit any crimes strangely (other than dressing like hitler of course) Regardless, after mincing words with Fuhrer the player will be forced to do a card battle with him. His deck focuses on skipping champion and going straight to ultimate. Other than putting Fuhrer in his place you don’t actually get any real rewards other than opening up a new area. Fuhrer can be fought as many times as you want in rematches. Also I know all this because I played through the game and had to use ztranslate to translate the game.
You forgut the iconic evil degimon from adventure series Dandevimon , we received a full deck but then it seems like a mistake and never printed another Dandevimon even in the booster box that focus around adventure , we did not get it feels bad that the evil is so forgotten
I dunno about Woodwoodymon not being possible. Definitely unlikely as all hell, but I don't think they would run into any issues so long as they're smart about it. The design is far enough removed from Woody that I think a name change (and possibly a pallette swap or two) would be enough to make it safe for use. At least, I hope they find a way to make it work, because I really like that design.
11:43 Bandai loves referencing Kamen Rider too, Justimon, Shadramon, Stingmon, Jewlbeemon, Hudiemon, kind of making all of Wormmon's other armor evolutions feel a bit out of place here lol!
That's what I was referring to yeah
habumon is actually a triple pun. The guy's name, a USB hub, and the yellow-spotted pit viper, called "habu" (はぶ) in Japanese
I love all Digimon. What if Takato and Guilmon was Digimon Adventure 02? What if TK and Kari was in Digimon Tamers?
Bright side, Navimon has neither legal red tape nor being a dubism.
Yup!
@@Karn_EX
Her and the unseen Armors would be better nostalgia paddering than yet another new Greymon/Omnimon again NGL.
Karn I love your videos 😭😭
Thank you!
Glad you uploaded on my birthday also number 10 why why did they do that why whyyyyyy
Karn sitting at his desk at 1 am thinking I really wish these digimon were back... Dare I use my powers again? If they never come back I'm right, if they do come back I win. Do I really loose with this video?..... The answer is no Karn you can't loose and we love you for that
"Sistermon, nun with guns offending people"
>Stares at the Sisters of Battle from Warhammer 40k
Right. So. I guess we have a problem.
That ice dragon in number 2 is adorable.
Wow, I'd never heard of Digimon Legendary Skies before this video. NGL the character designs look kinda sick.
I loved appli monsters I hope they make a season two and I love your content please keep up the good work
I just wanted that Kotemon had some love...
It should be noticed the when it comes to the sister mons there are cannon three of them now. Ceil is considered a separate digimon to noir for whom she uses swords instead of guns. While true that she was originally a redesign (not sur why given the fact that there is angels and demons/devils in the digital world) they are counted to be different now at least.
Yeah I know lol
The crowd funded digimon I could see being characters in a game
id say gallant mon chaos mode is possible just because chaosgallantmon is a thing in tcg it could show up as future support for chaosgallantmon decks
While unofficial, the 5 fan Digimon are being used in the Dawn/Dusk fan remake, and they look fantastic.
Who thought 10 was a good idea 😂 anyway great as always!
Right?! Thank you!
Ah we could pray for a world where we have characters like "Munwamon" and "Edwardwoodwoodmon" destroys the evil of "EuroGenicidemon". :D
Somehow for some reason i think hubmon can probably fit well for orochimon champion level. Like you can see a snake with usb port on it can evolve to a snake with multiple head.
CL is funny, when your censor is actually good enough that it become a actual form.
Rurimon has potential to be a great protag partner his book being full of info and his evo line being wizard dragons easily like give us more digimon from Witchelny that can use multiple elements like I can see the mega veing I dunno Infernodramon a dragon made with a cape made of flame that cna form wings
Speaking of ChaosGallantmon, I think we'll probably never see the DW2 Chaos Generals again, Chaos Greymon (aka ChaosBlackWarGreymon) , ChaosPiedmon and Chaos Seadramon (aka ChaosMetalSeadramon). Also Chaos Lord and Neo Crimson, definitely won't be seeing them again. Chaosdramon was clearly meant as a replacement for Chaos Lord. Wikimon says Chaos Lord _is_ a Chaosmon but there's no citation and it's obviously not true, his design is too different.
This is because my first digimon game was world dusk, but i really want grimmon to apper in the show. Mainly his base form because that is the form i love tge most
anyone remember the digiclips thing from 2012 where a small group of people thought digimon were real and that the 2012 apocolyps what tied to digimon breaking out of the digital world
Imperialdramon Paladin Mode had a dragon form that was exclusive to the American toyline.
Dominimon has always be my favorite digimon and now i need his be memory
I wouldn't count the Cmon Digimon tamers out of being in the card game eventually- I very much doubted seeing the Dawn/Dusk tamers in the card game and yet they showed up alongside Coronamon and Lunamon - plus we haven't even seen the Hacker's Memory tamers in the tcg yet - they could possibly be in a promo or ex set. Though I'm not counting on it I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility. Bun though.. no clue 😂
As for Legendary Skies, have you considered hiring a translator? You already hire artists 👀
Finally... if we get that mobile phone Digimon ever... I'm totally going to write a Cyber Sleuth fanfic where Nokia has one...
I'm sorry to say this but, a what if toy story were digimon video is inevitable now, or at least any disney property into digimon.
Might have been mentioned but "Habu" is also a word for poisonous snakes
How come every time I unpause the video it tracks back some random amount?
That's uh... probably a UA-cam issue or an issue with your device?
Great video Reverb hole!
😂
Yabuno Tenya did post new art for Bun & Kentaro for there 25th anniversary so it not impossible for us to see C'mon Digimon stuff for anniversary like that.
You need to do a video where you have artists make Digimon versions of the Toy Story cast. I would love to see that.
Also, was that Agumon as Hitler at 1:12? I can't believe they actually did that!