Best arc welder in the world, cheap welder vs Fronius welder review
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2020
- In an attempt to establish the best ark welder in the world i compared two welding machines. The blue colour welder is a Chinese made welding machine that is sold in the UK under brand R-tech and a red welding machine is made by an Austrian company called Fronius.
By many Fronius regarded as the pinnacle of welding engineering and the best arc welder in the world. Since i own both of those machines i have decided to make a little comparison in between them and see how they stack up against each other.
6 - people did not like the video, and none of them ever thought to say something or argue their case. If i were a conspiracy theorist, i would start to think that those were Fronius employees. In reality, probably they have simply never watched the video completely.
I can tell you first-hand that the Transteel 2700 is BY FAR the greatest welder I've ever owned/used. It literally paid for itself in under a month tig welding aluminum straight out of the mig gun. You guys that have opinons about it that have never used it, I challenge you to stop by our shop and fire ours up anytime you like. We are on Google and our address to our shop is right on there. We've owned Miller, Lincoln and ESAB machines and NOTHING compares to the quality and unbelievable capabilities of this machine.
@@shelbygrinders3839 thanks for the input I appreciate your comment and especially I appreciate your willingness to help some one by offering to try the equipment in you shop.
Hat off to you.
The whole point of this video is to show that the best welder is not a brand but a machine that fits the purpose.
I agree with you that Fronius makes phenomenal equipment and if I would be looking for a MiG I would get Fronius machine as it would be the best fit for the purpose.
In fact I do owe 500 amp Fronius MiG with 10m long push pull torch on it. That is the best machine for the task.
However, when you forget about MiG machines and look at TiG equipment all of a sudden the difference is drastically reduced.
I am not saying that there is no difference, I am saying that in my opinion for the task in hand, the difference in cost and customer service create situation where cheap Chinese machine actually makes sense.
@@shelbygrinders3839 Yeah exactly.. i own a transsteel 3500c and it BLOWS away everything ive had a demo on and the reliability is incredible.. So i was pretty annoyed about this video has its incredibly biased and just short sighted..
I am sorry that you fill annoyed by this video, that was not my intention.
You are also mentioned that the video is short sighted. I disagree and would like to hear your argument.
I have already replied to your other comment under this video, so I hope that you will be able to see this video through an other person eyes, some one with different circumstances and different needs than you.
Other ways I would love to hear your reasoning!
I can tell you right now the cheap welder will not go near the fronius. Even if it's an older model. If somebody using both machines blindfolded can't notice the difference they shouldn't be using a welder!
Wonderful review brother! Love the unbiased opinion 👍thanks!
Thank you for your comment! it helps to know that people find those videos useful.
Nice comparison. Thank you. 👍
Thank you for watching!
Much needed video, thank you sir
Glad it was helpful
In the US they are Branded Everlast units, nice tig machines for sure.
Yes, i saw them in other peoples videos. You are right they run very nice!
I have bought from RTech
Customer support is second to none.
And there products are excellent value for money.
Fantastic company to deal.
My place of work have RTech welders never had a problem.
And my work colleagues also own RTech welders for their home use.
Always on the end of the phone.
Wouldn't go anywhere else.
As for your welder fault.
It happens I've bought products from other manufacturers That have been broken faulty out of the box never even got to use them.
Excellent video.
Thank you for taking time and writing such detailed comment! I really appreciate constructive inputs!
I hate how you have to pay extra to "enable" the full functions of a Fronius just by entering some cheesy activation code on the machine. It's like buying a sports car but without the performance because you need to pay more to "unlock".
Welcome to the world of monthly subscriptions and milking you dry attitude from the corporate world.
Thanks for your review also mentioning the support. Already I have a Transpocket180 where I'm quite happy with and so I was considering getting a Magicwave for Aluminium but now I having doubts if this would be the right choice to get a Fronius.
Do not get me wrong, they make brilliant equipment, very pricey, but brilliant. However if you are unable to repair it at ease it makes sense to go with other brand.
Try GYS :) every update of functionality is free
@@Pentax67 Sorry, can you give me more detail on what you mean, you mean free hacks?
What filter are you using for the arc shot? Best contrast detail I have seen?
Regular green tinted welding glass with colour correction in the post production. New videos that have not being published yet will have even better colours in them
How do you like the HTP 220 Invertig? It is cheap and can weld thinner aluminum pretty well. I have had it for many years without any issues. Their support was very good when I bought it.
I do not remember using HTP 220, so can not comment
im thinking miller dynasty 210 dx cps how does the fronius 230i magic wave ac dc compare
I am in Scotland and I never used Miller brand, in fact it all times I only saw one machine. Do not get me wrong Fronius makes excellent equipment, the point of this video is to illustrate that what is the best is highly circumstantial. That is why when it comes to AC/DC TiG in the range of 300A+ Fronius looses to cheap China made machine. Not because Fronius equipment is inferior, but because of amalgamation of all circumstances.
Thanks for watching!
Interesting...I have a Magic wave 1700 job bought about 15 years ago and have needed 1 pcb boards and an off switch replaced in warranty ( very very light use) and a Main PCB replaced out of warranty....still light use....
Yes, all equipment will brake at some point. Many people criticize me for being unfair towards the Fronius which is not the case as I own 3 Fronius machines
i subscribed ,cos info before i buy
Thanks!
The only problem is here in Australia, a setup like a Fronius 230i with water cooler is over $11,000 without a foot pedal, And by the time you buy 3 extra torch heads ($230.00+tax each) and a bluetooth foot pedal (880.00+tax) you are almost $13,000. This is what is coast me when I paid for my setup.
It is expensive for sure
dont forget about EWM.
Sure, unfortunately i never had an opportunity to use any EWM equipment but i am aware of such brand. All in all changing brands will not change essence of the video .
@@weld-deluxltd7635 so basically three is no point of buying expensive brands. Chinese stuff will do fine
@@BlacharzOstatniejSzansy It is a little different, the ability to repair your machine and ease of repair of the machine should be one of the biggest concerns rather than the brand name. The level of competition is so high that it is hard to make bad welding equipment if an established manufacturer is competing in the open market. There is no such thing as a welding machine that will not break, so it is crucial to be able to repair it without any hassle when it happens. So have happened that this Chinese machine is the easiest for me to repair. It is also the most effective in comparison to other brands as far as features versus price. It also has the best warranty deal out of any brand that is on the market. It performs as good as really expensive brands like Fronius when i use it. This machine requires better understanding and experience from the operator to set it up right where Fronius has electronics that will compensate for low experience from the operator.
@@weld-deluxltd7635 thank you
You welcome! Hope it helps
To be fair , your not really comparing similar spec machines , but interesting all the same
You are correct, by the spec the differ, and also by the price. I hope that this video will help people to decide what is more practical for them. The long knows challenge of getting what you need rather than what you want 😉
@@weld-deluxltd7635 many thanks
Most welcome!
Unmistakable Polish -Scottish accent. nice welding!
Amazing thing about being wrong it always feels so right!
Unfortunately i do not speak Polish language, my first language is Ukrainian 😛
@@weld-deluxltd7635 my mistake many apologies
@@gordonturner8544 not a problem at all. All of us for about 60% made out of the same water.
My biological grand mother was Polish, but I never meet her.
Perhaps you have a very good ear!
I have to disagree with you on fronius.. Im a big user of mig and i have to say that no one can touch fronius when it comes to MIG welding. I recently needed a 3 phase welder and i tried out a r tech MTS450 which is a big boys 450a machine and i have to say that i was incredibly disappointed at how it puts the welds down and really shows that is just a literally a Chinese welder that has been slapped together as the short arc was way off and the spray could not be done correctly as the arc was just too wide. I got my self a second hand transsteel 3500 and this thing short circuit migs so well that at first glance you would think it was done by a pulse mig welder.. and the fact you have 3 different synergic profiles for your welding is incredibly handy.. not to mention that the duty cycle on the fronius is actually better than the r tech by a long shot. I have also tried a fronius CMT and i have to say you really cant say fronius is overpriced..
No argument there, MiG arc control is a different game all together and CMT ability to o weld with low distortion and control to bridge the gap is second to none.
I too owe 3 machines from Fronius and if I need an other MiG I would not look at anything else.
However this video is not about how bad Fronius is or how good Chinese machines are.
This video to show that the best welder in the world is not about brand, that decision should be made based combination of different factors like ease of repair as any machine will brake at some point. An other one of them factors that needs to be accounted, is your personal circumstances.
If I had a production line that daily produces 50+ batches of the same component with MiG and employs low skilled welders that rotate through the company quicker the any one can learn their names, I would get senergic machine from Fronius
However, In my situation, for my needs, for the TiG machine Fronius is not the best welder.
Hope it makes sense
Have you tried esab 3 phase or older airco 3 phase machines? Man o man those machines weld like butter.
@@mauricioespinoza5390 I am sure that they are good, how do I repair one when it brakes?
How long will this machine will be of line if I have to send it to esab?
Is there 3 years warranty on those machines?
Will esab pay for the shipping both ways if I need to send in machine under warranty?
Will esab send me a machine to make sure I am not stock if my machine takes longer to repair then 48 hours?
Will the cost of the machine prevents me to buy a back up machine for any emergency situation that may rise?
There is more to a good machine then ability to weld, welding properties go without saying but one must look into whole package
@@mauricioespinoza5390 personally id avoid any of the esab inverters as they all seem to be cheaply built.. Every owner of a welding store i spoke to who stocks them have all said they alot of them go bang pretty early or have serious firmware issues. Esab really fucked up on that product line.
@@Migman2020 I haven't had any experience with any inverter welders yet but those old school transformer 3 phase. They just won't die and the welds are phenomenal.
Here in Mx. the fronius tech support itz NUTS $240+ usd per hr.
wow