What people like you don't understand about meta is this - you don't NEED meta classes unless you are pushing high keys, but playing meta classes makes ANY key level easier. It's like asking two people to do a job with a tool, and then giving them a choice of using a great tool, or a worse version of the same tool.
Not always playing for score is something I’ve been doing a lot more this season. Playing a new spec in all new dungeons meant I realized as I got to keys over 20 the gaps in my skills on disc priest started to become obvious. The class simply requires to you be very in tune with boss abilities and when they happen. Being a little late on the ramp in a 17 tyrannical might be fine but can easily mean a wipe on even a 22
I've found the biggest factor in M+ is the percieved meta and the people you play with. If you're playing with randoms (LFG) you HAVE to be a meta spec otherwise it will be incredibly difficult. Playing with friends/guildies completely removes this. For perspective, I am a 470 ret pala, 2k score week 3, who almost exclusively pugs keys. My end of season goal is for +20s across all dungeons. I still get declined for +10s regularly, let alone 15s or higher. There will always be someone more geared than you, and so unless you're the meta class, players refuse to take you. Additionally, things like lust further mean some classes are so undesirable in keys. Ironically, it is usually the FOTM re-rollers who usually end up dying the most, failing mechanics and doing the least damage. BM hunters, Havoc DH's, Aug evokers and Rogues have been bottling my keys this season xD (also Ret is actually really freaking powerful in M+)
I did keys very casually since I started playing, doing weekly 20s for vault and stuff like that. However I always wanted to try and improve at m+. What jump started me was meeting someone that was really high rated that thought I was good and really helped jumpstart my season. Through a lot of hardwork and dedication I managed to get rank 1 title, and was actually like 80 rating above cutoff. A lot of the information in this video was very applicable to my journey through the season and I hope the people watching this don't just brush off this information with the thought of "oh I can't get into high keys now so this is useless information." With enough hard work you can easily do high keys and the things Tettles is saying in this video is going to be very relevant to you if you decide to push yourself to improve. I also can't stress how important finding a consistent set of friends that want to key with you is, that was probably the biggest thing that helped me because at a certain point, there's barely any keys listed in LFG for the level you want to do it at.
Up until Mythic 23-25, you can finish keys NO PROBLEM with any spec, regardless of whether they're META or not. I played the other day with an Arms Warrior (currently on lower D-Tier) and then with an MM Hunter (also lower D-Tier)... and bro, they nuked the mobs AND the bosses! And I think it was a +20 Everbloom and +19 Blackrook Hold And yes, META DOES matter, but not as much as you'd think (from my experience at least). Like, you can be a Havoc DH, Assa or Outlaw Rogue and still wait like half an hour until you get accepted into keys (even assuming you have the right Rating, like 2k+ rating)... so don't think like "okay, I play a META spec, so that means that I'll 100% get taken into keys within a second" - it's not gonna happen, unfortunately.
It's less about absolute value and more about relative to the field. If you have the highest io or near the highest io anyone's seen apply to their key and a good ilvl you'll likely get insta invited assuming they want/need your spec and aren't leaving an extra spot open for tank+dps or healer+dps pairs. 2900 is a great io to have right now but it's about average for enthusiastic pug pushers. I'm at 3100+ and 479 before upgrades this week and getting quick invites
The meta does NOT matter if you want to do mythic+. Any class and spec can do keys just fine. Yes, some have it easier then others on paper, but being comfortable with your class and spec is much more important then being a meta re roller. Now, if you want to do it at the super high end then yeah it matters more, but most of the player base is not doing it at the high end. Finding friends and networking has helped me out a lot. Doesn't have to be the same core 5 people. Even if it's just 1 or 2 people, that will carry a lot
Numerically I agree with you, also I can get invites on any tank to a ±20 since I can link them the last 5 titles, and my main RIO score is always Linked on my alts. For the average person... ehmm no. You might be able to numerically do a form of content even at non competitive keys, but you will sit in queue for much longer, making the game less fun. I understand what all of you are trying to say you dont need to meta slave for 20s, hell you dont need to meta slave for even 25-29 keys if ppl are pushing 30s, buuut you wont be invited. If you are premading playing whatever, if you wanna enjoy the PUG life go meta. Sorry, this applies to anyone at any skill level who wants to play and enjoy M+. This is coming from someone who doesnt struggle getting title even in seasons when I play 2 nights a week.
I like both tanking and DPS (healing I do enjoy but I would say I'm significantly worse at it than tank / DPS) but I tank purely for the sake of ease while pugging. Also you get tired of going "wtf is this tank doing" when you play DPS.
@@brandenbates2856as someone who used to main dps but went to tank because I was tired of getting declined from keys I can say there is a level of anxiety to it yes. However, after you watch some dungeon guides, use MDT to plan your route, learn when to LoS pull, and most important is knowing how big you can pull before getting deleted all comes in time. I used to be so nervous to queue up for a key, that feeling does go away - trust me! Now I find myself being like “wtf is this tank doing? Pull more!” When I do flip to my dps. It’s such an enjoyable role! You’re the leader, you control the run! It’s so rare that anyone says anything to me about my tanking, I silent run is a good run!
Organizing a consistent M+ group has significantly boosted my IO score, despite having only two DPS in my team. As the tank, the advantage of running with guildies is that they become familiar with my pull patterns. This synergy allows us to coordinate cooldowns seamlessly, and they can communicate their comfort level for pulling more mobs. Conversely, if I hear a distressed "fuck me" on Discord, I know to ease up a bit. We've reached a point where interrupt coordination and crowd control are second nature - everyone trusts that I'll handle the first interrupt on the orange cast. This coordinated effort has greatly diminished the anxiety associated with tackling high-level keys alone. Now, it feels like a collective endeavor, leading to a surge in the number of keys I complete (already surpassing 100 this season.) The camaraderie makes attempting daring strategies more enjoyable. For instance, in a recent run through Everbloom, I pulled four packs at the start, only to discover nope, my limit is three. Despite the wipe, the team didn't hold it against me, and we still successfully timed the key. While I haven't recorded gameplay yet, the idea has crossed my mind. Reflecting on dungeons through logs and discussions has become a valuable practice. Analyzing failures and seeking improvement suggestions from teammates has expanded my knowledge, especially regarding the challenges DPS and healers face during certain boss encounters and trash packs. This provides insights into aspects of the game that I, as a tank, wouldn't have been aware of otherwise.
The meta matters, but not in the way most people think. What matters is player skill. Even at the highest levels of play, the disparity between the tip and those running keys at 1-2 levels lower is very large. Much larger than what specializations provide in power. The best way to improve is to play a lot of keys and gaining a comfort-level given the particular dungeon and specialization you've picked. That's why the meta can matter, because people pick the meta, even where it doesn't really matter that much. It provides a positive feedback loop of getting to play more in more diverse networks, which feed into dungeon knowledge and skill. Once you get more than 1-2 key levels from the tip, player skill dominates specializations and more than offsets it. Most of them happen to be playing the meta, for obvious reasons, but if you forced them to play different specializations, they would do about the same. You just have to look at a single heavy-handed nerf to a key specialization in the top play. One finger-snap later, and the composition is already adapted to the new state of affairs. There's some indication the same will happen this season, where VDH is swapped for ProtPal or Guardian Druid.
Meta matters in wow especially because no matchmaking exists. You will spend more than double if not triple the time in the lfg tool if you are playing off meta
I'm going to point out that your first point wasn't true last season. The "god comp" was just straight clearing keys 2 levels higher than was possible before the patch. It eventually got to the point where it wasn't as big of a difference, of course, I'm just saying that it is possible that the meta comp is clearly more powerful than anything else even factoring in player skill. Does this matter to a new player thinking they want to get to +20 for the first time? No - but to be honest what you're saying doesn't either. All Tettles is saying is that you will be able to play more and improve more if you play meta. If you are new all specs are capable of doing the content you would be interested in but that doesn't mean that the rest of the experience (finding groups) will be good or fun. I also know there's discourse about how groups requiring meta for a +16 are bad and how they'd invite a 2k person of a bad spec over a 1k person of a good spec or whatever... which is true but if you are a new player you're going to want every possible advantage to be as attractive as possible to groups. Note all of this is for DPS. Meta matters less for tanks / healers at lower levels where groups are more willing to invite whatever to get going but at higher levels will face similar pressures to DPS.
every body tells you that you should get friends to play... can somebody talk about how to do that? like actuall steps. do you whisper them after keys? is there a platform where i can find discords with people on the same keylvl? do i have to join a raid group in order to find people? how do you manage your group of friends? is it b-net friend list and just whisper them whenever you're on? dou you have a calender or something to organize it, or is it an ingame community? that would be good advice...
its pretty straightforward -- if you liked someone in a key, you can whisper them and add them to battletag. other ways -- guilds -- class discords -- community discords -- boosting discords -- ppl are everywhere, and other ppl are also looking for potential friends to play with ! so cheers and gl
Great video as always Tettles, can I say, for us plebes networking is hard until you're actually good at M+ and have the gear to push numbers that will make you connections. Before that, finding consistent people to run with is hard, and even established players have trouble networking. For that reason I would call networking closer to a mid level or advanced tip. Thanks again, cheers.
#6 If you absolutely want to play solo, play tank or healer. Even being a CE raider and timing keys up 23s currently I still have difficulty being invited to even 18s as DPS just because you are competing against so many other players for those spots. I queued over 50 dungeons before an invite but swapped to healer or tank with no keys done as heals this season and instant invites. I’m also an experienced healer and tank so I know not everyone can just do that immediately but if time efficiency and playing solo is important to you it’s worth considering tanking or healing. Oh and yes know a lot of people who complain suck and don’t know they suck but it’s still an important message to people struggling to get into groups for any reason.
The networking this was a super good point to make. It’s helped me make a huge group of friends that like to push. Or just have fun running keys for gear. Also helps those one trick ponies who just so happen to be playing their one trick and it’s not meta. My fav tank is BDK. So I play it within my network and pug push keys with VDH.
Good video. Think some people are misinterpreting the first talking point as relating specifically to numerical performance and whether or not a spec can time certain keys in M+ rather than the overall experience of finding a group and the amount of time spent trying to get into keys in the first place.
tettles you and the titanforged guys talked about a wekaura that some high end players use that shows if you are being targeted by several mechanics that will kill you if too many of them go on the same player does this ring a bell? can you share it?
About point #3 & #4... that would include trying to run a good talent build for something right? On that note then... would you mind fixing your Wowhead guide or is that a deliberate thing to make people experience bad talent builds? (Council fight for example)
Most people in a pug setting yolo's it and at the same time expect other people to play perfectly and never really look at their own performance or even worse, doesn't even realize that they themselves are the problem. All these tips are very helpful to the mind that actually want to improve, some just don't care about improving and actually like to ruin other peoples day. We'll never get away from those people sadly. I always find it so funny when i see title's in the LFG system like: Rating required 2700+ for a+15 key, when the group or player of the listing key sit on a score of 1500 or lower. Dat shit cracks me up every time :)
Eeeeehhhhhhh I don’t know about that. As a tank if I’d risk too much in pugs people might die and I’d get flamed. Also as tank I find beneficial going DPS from time to time, I learned some neat tricks and skips from other tanks 😅 like moving the first boss in BRH against the wall so the purple thingy don’t cover half of the room.
I think another tip not seen is to try other classes / roles. A tank can learn new routes as a dps. A dps can understand where to pop defensives as a healer and why tanks pull certain packs certain ways. A healer... honestly they probably don't need to play other roles to know that people should be taking less damage.
Really good video can't stress enough the grouping with Friends. Having a solid group to push you and help you learn to do better is a really helpful. I really appreciate the group that I run with because they really have helped me.
This is an excellent video. I’d like to add tho. The thing about meta is, it doesn’t matter. The only reason it matters is for group invites/queues and not being invited to keys because of spec, and the top 1% of players who numerically are pushing such high keys it’s only possible with meta specs. Which is ultimately blizzards poor balancing. I’ve said many times, I’d take a consistent / dedicated SV hunter over some reroller with an overinflated score because he switched to fotm every time. With that point made tho, specs that are in Dire Shit and who numerically can’t keep up, (even if the player is incredible at playing the spec and there was nothing more they could do to improve really) is a blizzard problem, but it sure as hell does not help everyone listing 15-20s requiring certain specs because they saw it in the MDI.
I used to deplete +4s and die to every frontal known to man, but the advice in this is how I mostly managed to peak at timing a +25 last season. Even on a prevoker I managed to get to +24s, too. IMO I think there's a lot to be talked about regarding self-improvement, if players realised how some small adjustments can make a big impact they'd be able to do a lot more :)
Even just recording game play locally to see where a single problem came up can be massive for improvement. In the moment you might feel there was nothing you could have done or things dont add up but as you slow ot down and see it unfold you can identify how it went wrong and how you can prevent it from happening or even just understanding how you can be equipped to counter the problems if and when they come up.
I just got into M+ and I'm having a blast as a solo player. However its pretty apparent that players want meta picks the higher the keys go - waiting upwards to 30+ minutes to get invited as an off meta class. I'm primarily a PVP player and the biggest thing for me improving is never about worrying about what the other players are doing and focusing on what you're doing and how you're benefitting your group or what you could have done better in each dungeon. 100% agree with reviewing your own VODS if you truly want to get better. It's easy to get caught up and say " the healer isn't healing me?!/the tank is in the wrong position!!1/ the dps isn't doing the mechanic properly!" - while all that may be true and be the cause of you failing your key. Who cares? Go again, out of your control. As long as you performed as best you could in the circumstances is all that matters. GGS!
Hey tettles great video, was wondering if you'd mind putting out a video going over *how* to do vod reviews. I've been recording my gameplay but I'm just at a bit of a loss on what to look for and I have not been able to find anything that explains the methodology in any capacity. Thanks!
When I play mid and low mid ranging keys and invite off spec classes they tend to do better than some of the meta classes. In my experience some of those folks know their class well and know the dungeon where some of the meta peeps just rerolled and can barely play their class. However, I do understand wanting meta players. Unless you are playing at a high level it doesn’t matter but also playing at a high level in pugs SUCKS it’s just better to get a group you know and can communicate with. Even at high levels you can bring in a meta spec and that person still can barely play despite a decent IO
Networking is my biggest weakness. But also experimenting too much is a weakness I have. I was doing keys without Verdancy this entire time, just doing stubborn stuff that wasn't working.
I think networking in WOW is super hard. The "easiest" way is to join a guild and just play with people inside that guild as like a starting point. This is obviously way easier said than done as most people cant / arent able to just commit to a guild in some form or fasion. Then the alternative is to "make friends" which again is easier said than done.
I am kind of shocked you didn't mention communication! This may not be obvious to you/other people who have regular groups, but getting PUGS into comms (be in discord, in game, etc) is like pulling teeth. Sure, you don't need it for your weekly 18-20's, but it REALLY helps once you start pushing. So many people just assume you are going to do it like the 'last guy'. Drives me crazy.
Your network suddenly dries up when ur class is bottom tier. Went from random people on my b-tag asking to play with me, to no one wanting to play bc my spec sucks
My struggle is wanting to learn to tank but being so paralyzed i just stick with melee dps =S Tried ranged and I do "okay" but not my jam im definitely melee player.
Tettles you've been on a roll lately pumping one great video after another! I'm not sure what caused Dratnos' vibe to shift so far away from generously sharing the informative Content he was known for, but I'm glad you've stepped in to help fill that void. When you're more serious/somber, and not playing the fool/devil's-advocate like you often do on the podcast, you have a surprisingly empathetic vibe. It's nice. I love the new green-screen background by the way! You can barely tell those aren't real windows and skyscrapers!
I am new to M+ just starting in dragon flight. Been having a blast on my MW. Wish I had a bit more consistent group since I do not enjoy pugging (healer anxiety is real! ) Been doing +20-23s and slowly climbing in guild, but not with a consistent group. Been a lot of fun, but I did brick a TOTT22 and I wish I had recorded myself just completely screwing up on last boss. Just discovered your content recently. Some great vids.
Yo man. Tettles ist doing great Content. A Tip: He and 2 Friends (Dratnos/Trell) are doing a Podcast -Titanforgepodcast- In GG WoW Channel/before they loaded them on their YT Channel. Alot of The Conten even old Content helps insanely.
This works to a point in mythic plus. For your average 20-23 you can bring the player, but once you start pushing to the top end, at some point, the class does matter. Since you can only bring 5 people, the class becomes increasingly important for stops, possible damage, and survivability. Preferably, you bring the player who happens to be on the best class.
i came back in sl s2 after 8 years break and always played shadow.. and for me s2 df was the badest off all.. im not bad 95% toping the meters and do not fail all the time.. s2 df was also the only season where i did not want to push my raiting.. i did run all dungeons +20 every week.. (ye i play alot) but in sl s3,4 and df s1,3 i had and have more fun even if the inv needs 30 min i will never understand this rerolling all the time from players that are not top 1%.. it brings nothing
Very good points, but I think for #1 I don't entirely agree. The meta matters, sure. But, it is also a bit worrying to make it into a huge point, because people are not looking at statistics or information, but instead rely on the perception of the meta without understanding WHY. That's why it's difficult to get into pug groups as a non-meta spec unless you have way more rating/gear than everyone else. Which is very hard to do, if you're not the black and white 5 classes which are the best. It's the exact same thing as group ratios for pug raids. People just take something that they've seen someone else do, and not understanding why try to copy it. It's dumb, and it makes the game way less interesting and fun than it could be if people were actually thinking for themselves. The very lack of thinking reduces all of your other points to "are they meta class, if not we will not time key". Unfortunately people aren't designed to be good at thinking. We are very good at coming up with shortcuts, boxes and other "thinking tools" in order to avoid thinking, because it costs a lot of energy to do so. And thus it's hard to do. Great points though about how to improve, and I will definitely look at my own play differently after this, so this was very much appreciated 🙏
I disagree about not playing for score. For some people that is a goal, but in pugs it'll get you in more groups than not. You should work on your rating to show you know all the dungeons well and can play them. A good example....look at people with 2200-2500 rating putting up 20s; no one joins their group because they see a low score and not many 20s timed. Score does matter in pugs.
Stop pushing the meta. You don't need the meta unless you're doing +25 and up. Tell people that it's not necessary unless you're going to be a 1%er. It's out of touch with the casual player
So unless you want to be the person the video is oriented for. Playing meta is also necessary to enjoy high level pugging simply because you will spend more than 30 mins in lfg tool if you aren’t
@@NewMetaTV which is a terrible take. you dont need the meta, stop pushing the idea of the meta to those that don't need it. you're killing the game with that mentality. how many people are the 1%.....not a lot
@@johnlinks You are trying to get people to have a worse experience in LFG so that you can make some kind of point. Two things can simultaneously be true. 1) That the meta requirements for keys are way overblown and 2) That you will personally have a better experience in LFG if you play meta.
What he's saying is you will have an easier time finding groups playing meta. Yeah you can play off meta, but it will be harder to find groups. Good luck pugging any lvl as a Shadow priest or aff lock right now.
pugging keys is the most toxic part of modern wow and telling people the meta matters is just going to keep that behavior going. You're not going to brick your 14 key if you brought a combat rogue instead of a Havoc DH. Maybe if you're doing like +25s but at that point the keys get so sweaty I would never want to pug them anyway.
The things I wish i knew aka beginning players is kinda clashing with the “pro” tips for the top 1%. Anything sub 20+ is not going to need to be recording gameplay. Just playing the game will help much more. Suggesting to new players that spending half their available time watching their own gameplay is kinda toxic, not everyone is a content creator and has that kind of time to put into a game that they play maybe a few hours a week. I feel like this pretty valid advise if you are one of those players who are pushing for titles, but only in the 20-30 range.
“ five things i wish i knew when i started” it’s literally from his prospective regardless of 5,10,15,20,25 watching what your doing to improve your gameplay is almost standard now it just sounds like you don’t understand the title or what the point is. I went from 5s to 25s in one season guess what helped? VOD REVIEW🤷🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 whole 🤡
Another thing to point out is that 95% of the people out there don’t have the hardware to record their own footage. Wow is really badly optimised, especially the later content, I don’t know about you guys, but if im in a 30man raid and I have my settings set to medium or higher my fps drops bellow 10.. and i don’t have a bad computer. Maybe its just me, but if I make a mistake i try to figure out what went wrong right away, and then i remember what I did wrong. Nothing you said here invalids my original point and that is recording gameplay is for content creators and the top 1%. (People who own mid to high tier current gen computer and that is also maybe 5% of the playerbase).
@@Moonwired fam download medal tv stop making long winded excuses on a video based around what he wish he knew before he became a top tier m+ player not a fkn casual context is key and you ignore it completely
my biggest problem with the current state of the game as a solo player is M+ is just all about RaidIO score. After just one week if youre not 1500 or more, then youll never get into a pug. its a joke. why blizz allows it is mindboggling
I also missed a week over Tgiving which completely wrecked my score as I had a bunch of blanks in Tyran. I ran with some friends and then pugged my own key to where I'm back in a decent spot to find good pugs. It's annoying sure but also it's way better than the alternative.
I just hit 3k this week. One piece of advice id give... NEVER invite people with 3400+ IO players in dungeons they have done several levels over. EVERY FREAKING TIME you invite a tank with a high IO they do there testing and wreck your key. never invite high io players. sounds weird but just dont. the higher IO players the more toxic they get. I have people will leave a key because we didn't 3 chest a BRH and would of two chested it. Stupid shit like that they will leave on.
pugging is just easier as a meta class then not its cut and dry. thats just what the status quo is, tettles or any other single person is not going to change that.
I always play shadow cause its the most fun class to me and its always really hard to get into a group even if i bring grat dps or pi value or offheal or despells etc people just dont care. Its really sad sometimes being alome without a main group. And i dont think that will ever change with this dogshit cc, no baselime br or bl its just sad. But still i push threw amd sometimes shadow act is meta.
it's actually not a bad idea at all to record yourself if you want to improve quickly. Much easier to focus on mistakes you are doing, once you don't have to worry about dying to mechanics. That applies to a lot of other hobbies as well (in sports for exemple)
At the start of S2 I really struggled to heal Emberon on my resto druid and I bricked a key because we wiped a few times on it in my guild group. So after a wipe where it felt like I couldn't do anything and it was unplayable I just shadowplayed my gameplay and looked it over and I could instantly spot my mistakes. Also I could compare how and where I used cooldowns compared to how other healers who healed the exact same fight used theirs. Honestly like looking over your gameplay is super useful cause you instantly see several things that would have saved you that you didn't think about in the moment.
So here is what you need to do.... M+ during the day. Do it so you understand the incredible mix of people's play style and ability. Do it only on LFG because that is all there is during the day. Some of us have to play during the day. Its really hard my friend. Then add to that the problem of kids nowadays cant read nor are they interested in watching the masterclass videos. Not all, but during the day, not alot of choices. Thanks for the video. Not useful if you think there is any chance of playing with an organized group during the day, but thank you for trying! When I see someone trying to do a +20 and the last thing they did was a +8, its what we see all the time DURING THE DAY!
Playing meta at low level keys definitely cuts down on wasted time for even the casual pug player. Its not necessary and it shouldn't be this way but the social formula dictates that you need to copy off the best. Even if the whole idea is a made up sham at the low end.
and here we go ... no.1 = meta matters = this is one of these videos where people starting not playing a class they want, no, they are "forced" to play a class where they a easily picked from a large number of dd's. sorry, but NO NO NO! this is the only thing u have to keep in mind if u wanna play really really high keys!
meta slavery is 100% the worst part of mythic+. Everyone thinks they are the top 2% of players running the top 2% of keys where meta slavery actually makes a difference. Doing 20 keys or less? Meta is meaningless.
Meta is often referred to as "Most Efficient/Effective Tactic(s) Avaliable" even tho it is not proven that it is the actual pronouncination. "Meta" basically means, playing the comp/specc/class that is valued as "best" right now. Its based of optimizing time/value/effiencency when it comes to clearing certain objectives in games. In terms of M+ it means u play a certain specc-compilation to be as effective and smooth as possible in ur runs. These values are based off of the talents and buffs, certain classes bring to the table, but also survivability or flat dmg output are important for effective highkey runs. U might wanna check out MDI, a tournament hosted by blizzard, where the best of the best absoluty destroy high M+ keys due to their individual skill but also "meta-comps"
@@theew0w_-that's definitely the over-analyzed internet gaymer version of what meta means, and also, no one watching this video would not know what meta means.
You are wrong about people being "data driven" when it comes to the meta. They are just brainless copycats that try to mimic someone else without any understanding of "why"
To be perfectly honest, anything below a 25 is even doable by any spec. It’s more just like it makes your job MUCH harder if you’re playing off meta. Whether that be getting into groups, finding strats, etc.
@@johnlinks This video is clearly not for them then. I just got all 20s done on my disc priest but taking that step into doing +21 and above feels like a big step so this video is really useful.
@@ctk4949 Acknowledging the reality of what playing meta means for your experience doesn't mean you agree with that sentiment. He's not saying you should play meta because non-meta classes are bad, he's saying that playing meta means you have better access to grouping.
I hope Tettles gets enough twitch subs soon he can afford to turn his lights on
not gonna happen because he plays a boomking all the times, he needs to reroll to DH.
Just game in the dark lol. Why turn on the lights lol
What people like you don't understand about meta is this - you don't NEED meta classes unless you are pushing high keys, but playing meta classes makes ANY key level easier. It's like asking two people to do a job with a tool, and then giving them a choice of using a great tool, or a worse version of the same tool.
@mdesj0 cool but this was about turning his office light on
Not always playing for score is something I’ve been doing a lot more this season. Playing a new spec in all new dungeons meant I realized as I got to keys over 20 the gaps in my skills on disc priest started to become obvious. The class simply requires to you be very in tune with boss abilities and when they happen. Being a little late on the ramp in a 17 tyrannical might be fine but can easily mean a wipe on even a 22
I've found the biggest factor in M+ is the percieved meta and the people you play with. If you're playing with randoms (LFG) you HAVE to be a meta spec otherwise it will be incredibly difficult. Playing with friends/guildies completely removes this. For perspective, I am a 470 ret pala, 2k score week 3, who almost exclusively pugs keys. My end of season goal is for +20s across all dungeons. I still get declined for +10s regularly, let alone 15s or higher. There will always be someone more geared than you, and so unless you're the meta class, players refuse to take you. Additionally, things like lust further mean some classes are so undesirable in keys. Ironically, it is usually the FOTM re-rollers who usually end up dying the most, failing mechanics and doing the least damage. BM hunters, Havoc DH's, Aug evokers and Rogues have been bottling my keys this season xD (also Ret is actually really freaking powerful in M+)
its mostly your score man 2k isnt a lot, its true that meta helps you get into keys but its nowhere near as impactful as ppl think
Some people at the lower level are trying to gear match, that's why
@@Ludosquoyeah definitely true, but I still personally feel 2k score should be representative of ability for a +10. Obvs not all feel that way
@@johnlinksdefinitely true
I did keys very casually since I started playing, doing weekly 20s for vault and stuff like that. However I always wanted to try and improve at m+. What jump started me was meeting someone that was really high rated that thought I was good and really helped jumpstart my season. Through a lot of hardwork and dedication I managed to get rank 1 title, and was actually like 80 rating above cutoff. A lot of the information in this video was very applicable to my journey through the season and I hope the people watching this don't just brush off this information with the thought of "oh I can't get into high keys now so this is useless information." With enough hard work you can easily do high keys and the things Tettles is saying in this video is going to be very relevant to you if you decide to push yourself to improve. I also can't stress how important finding a consistent set of friends that want to key with you is, that was probably the biggest thing that helped me because at a certain point, there's barely any keys listed in LFG for the level you want to do it at.
Up until Mythic 23-25, you can finish keys NO PROBLEM with any spec, regardless of whether they're META or not. I played the other day with an Arms Warrior (currently on lower D-Tier) and then with an MM Hunter (also lower D-Tier)... and bro, they nuked the mobs AND the bosses! And I think it was a +20 Everbloom and +19 Blackrook Hold
And yes, META DOES matter, but not as much as you'd think (from my experience at least). Like, you can be a Havoc DH, Assa or Outlaw Rogue and still wait like half an hour until you get accepted into keys (even assuming you have the right Rating, like 2k+ rating)... so don't think like "okay, I play a META spec, so that means that I'll 100% get taken into keys within a second" - it's not gonna happen, unfortunately.
I’m at 2900 as a dh and still wait 15-30 minutes to find keys haha
It's less about absolute value and more about relative to the field. If you have the highest io or near the highest io anyone's seen apply to their key and a good ilvl you'll likely get insta invited assuming they want/need your spec and aren't leaving an extra spot open for tank+dps or healer+dps pairs. 2900 is a great io to have right now but it's about average for enthusiastic pug pushers. I'm at 3100+ and 479 before upgrades this week and getting quick invites
@@scaryeris6798 Because every group already has 2 DHs
The meta does NOT matter if you want to do mythic+. Any class and spec can do keys just fine. Yes, some have it easier then others on paper, but being comfortable with your class and spec is much more important then being a meta re roller.
Now, if you want to do it at the super high end then yeah it matters more, but most of the player base is not doing it at the high end.
Finding friends and networking has helped me out a lot. Doesn't have to be the same core 5 people. Even if it's just 1 or 2 people, that will carry a lot
Numerically I agree with you, also I can get invites on any tank to a ±20 since I can link them the last 5 titles, and my main RIO score is always Linked on my alts.
For the average person... ehmm no. You might be able to numerically do a form of content even at non competitive keys, but you will sit in queue for much longer, making the game less fun.
I understand what all of you are trying to say you dont need to meta slave for 20s, hell you dont need to meta slave for even 25-29 keys if ppl are pushing 30s, buuut you wont be invited.
If you are premading playing whatever, if you wanna enjoy the PUG life go meta. Sorry, this applies to anyone at any skill level who wants to play and enjoy M+.
This is coming from someone who doesnt struggle getting title even in seasons when I play 2 nights a week.
#1 tip for someone starting pugging would be roll tank or healer
Since I've been tanking it's been so much easier to find groups!
Who wants that anxiety??? You have to know routes and how to tank haha
Healers are dime a dozen this season, so go for Tanks. Play VDH if you want an easy time.
I'm so not interested in playing as a tank that I'd rather wait or not play at all.
I like both tanking and DPS (healing I do enjoy but I would say I'm significantly worse at it than tank / DPS) but I tank purely for the sake of ease while pugging. Also you get tired of going "wtf is this tank doing" when you play DPS.
@@brandenbates2856as someone who used to main dps but went to tank because I was tired of getting declined from keys I can say there is a level of anxiety to it yes. However, after you watch some dungeon guides, use MDT to plan your route, learn when to LoS pull, and most important is knowing how big you can pull before getting deleted all comes in time. I used to be so nervous to queue up for a key, that feeling does go away - trust me! Now I find myself being like “wtf is this tank doing? Pull more!” When I do flip to my dps. It’s such an enjoyable role! You’re the leader, you control the run! It’s so rare that anyone says anything to me about my tanking, I silent run is a good run!
Organizing a consistent M+ group has significantly boosted my IO score, despite having only two DPS in my team. As the tank, the advantage of running with guildies is that they become familiar with my pull patterns. This synergy allows us to coordinate cooldowns seamlessly, and they can communicate their comfort level for pulling more mobs. Conversely, if I hear a distressed "fuck me" on Discord, I know to ease up a bit. We've reached a point where interrupt coordination and crowd control are second nature - everyone trusts that I'll handle the first interrupt on the orange cast.
This coordinated effort has greatly diminished the anxiety associated with tackling high-level keys alone. Now, it feels like a collective endeavor, leading to a surge in the number of keys I complete (already surpassing 100 this season.) The camaraderie makes attempting daring strategies more enjoyable. For instance, in a recent run through Everbloom, I pulled four packs at the start, only to discover nope, my limit is three. Despite the wipe, the team didn't hold it against me, and we still successfully timed the key.
While I haven't recorded gameplay yet, the idea has crossed my mind. Reflecting on dungeons through logs and discussions has become a valuable practice. Analyzing failures and seeking improvement suggestions from teammates has expanded my knowledge, especially regarding the challenges DPS and healers face during certain boss encounters and trash packs. This provides insights into aspects of the game that I, as a tank, wouldn't have been aware of otherwise.
The meta matters, but not in the way most people think. What matters is player skill. Even at the highest levels of play, the disparity between the tip and those running keys at 1-2 levels lower is very large. Much larger than what specializations provide in power. The best way to improve is to play a lot of keys and gaining a comfort-level given the particular dungeon and specialization you've picked. That's why the meta can matter, because people pick the meta, even where it doesn't really matter that much. It provides a positive feedback loop of getting to play more in more diverse networks, which feed into dungeon knowledge and skill.
Once you get more than 1-2 key levels from the tip, player skill dominates specializations and more than offsets it. Most of them happen to be playing the meta, for obvious reasons, but if you forced them to play different specializations, they would do about the same. You just have to look at a single heavy-handed nerf to a key specialization in the top play. One finger-snap later, and the composition is already adapted to the new state of affairs. There's some indication the same will happen this season, where VDH is swapped for ProtPal or Guardian Druid.
Meta matters in wow especially because no matchmaking exists. You will spend more than double if not triple the time in the lfg tool if you are playing off meta
I'm going to point out that your first point wasn't true last season. The "god comp" was just straight clearing keys 2 levels higher than was possible before the patch. It eventually got to the point where it wasn't as big of a difference, of course, I'm just saying that it is possible that the meta comp is clearly more powerful than anything else even factoring in player skill.
Does this matter to a new player thinking they want to get to +20 for the first time? No - but to be honest what you're saying doesn't either. All Tettles is saying is that you will be able to play more and improve more if you play meta. If you are new all specs are capable of doing the content you would be interested in but that doesn't mean that the rest of the experience (finding groups) will be good or fun.
I also know there's discourse about how groups requiring meta for a +16 are bad and how they'd invite a 2k person of a bad spec over a 1k person of a good spec or whatever... which is true but if you are a new player you're going to want every possible advantage to be as attractive as possible to groups.
Note all of this is for DPS. Meta matters less for tanks / healers at lower levels where groups are more willing to invite whatever to get going but at higher levels will face similar pressures to DPS.
@ 6:40, reviewing your vod, one thing you could improve on is avoiding getting hit by spiteful when it's easily avoidable lol
every body tells you that you should get friends to play... can somebody talk about how to do that? like actuall steps. do you whisper them after keys? is there a platform where i can find discords with people on the same keylvl? do i have to join a raid group in order to find people? how do you manage your group of friends? is it b-net friend list and just whisper them whenever you're on? dou you have a calender or something to organize it, or is it an ingame community? that would be good advice...
its pretty straightforward -- if you liked someone in a key, you can whisper them and add them to battletag. other ways -- guilds -- class discords -- community discords -- boosting discords -- ppl are everywhere, and other ppl are also looking for potential friends to play with ! so cheers and gl
Great video as always Tettles, can I say, for us plebes networking is hard until you're actually good at M+ and have the gear to push numbers that will make you connections. Before that, finding consistent people to run with is hard, and even established players have trouble networking. For that reason I would call networking closer to a mid level or advanced tip. Thanks again, cheers.
Awesome Video!! Really good to get a basic understanding on how to approach m+!
#6 If you absolutely want to play solo, play tank or healer.
Even being a CE raider and timing keys up 23s currently I still have difficulty being invited to even 18s as DPS just because you are competing against so many other players for those spots. I queued over 50 dungeons before an invite but swapped to healer or tank with no keys done as heals this season and instant invites. I’m also an experienced healer and tank so I know not everyone can just do that immediately but if time efficiency and playing solo is important to you it’s worth considering tanking or healing.
Oh and yes know a lot of people who complain suck and don’t know they suck but it’s still an important message to people struggling to get into groups for any reason.
Hopefully ready to run my first mythic here soon.
im the highest rated ive ever been this season at 2850 so far and I credit the daily tettles videos. resto shammy hype fr
A highlight of season 3 has been the daily Tettles video.
The networking this was a super good point to make. It’s helped me make a huge group of friends that like to push. Or just have fun running keys for gear. Also helps those one trick ponies who just so happen to be playing their one trick and it’s not meta. My fav tank is BDK. So I play it within my network and pug push keys with VDH.
Good video. Think some people are misinterpreting the first talking point as relating specifically to numerical performance and whether or not a spec can time certain keys in M+ rather than the overall experience of finding a group and the amount of time spent trying to get into keys in the first place.
tettles you and the titanforged guys talked about a wekaura that some high end players use that shows if you are being targeted by several mechanics that will kill you if too many of them go on the same player does this ring a bell? can you share it?
I need that bad, if i get targeted in a 24 and dont see it and use cds im dead 😅😅😢
what is it that possesses asmongold and tettles to both replace "when" with "whenever" at every opportunity
About point #3 & #4... that would include trying to run a good talent build for something right? On that note then... would you mind fixing your Wowhead guide or is that a deliberate thing to make people experience bad talent builds? (Council fight for example)
Most people in a pug setting yolo's it and at the same time expect other people to play perfectly and never really look at their own performance or even worse, doesn't even realize that they themselves are the problem.
All these tips are very helpful to the mind that actually want to improve, some just don't care about improving and actually like to ruin other peoples day.
We'll never get away from those people sadly.
I always find it so funny when i see title's in the LFG system like: Rating required 2700+ for a+15 key, when the group or player of the listing key sit on a score of 1500 or lower.
Dat shit cracks me up every time :)
Eeeeehhhhhhh I don’t know about that. As a tank if I’d risk too much in pugs people might die and I’d get flamed.
Also as tank I find beneficial going DPS from time to time, I learned some neat tricks and skips from other tanks 😅 like moving the first boss in BRH against the wall so the purple thingy don’t cover half of the room.
I think another tip not seen is to try other classes / roles. A tank can learn new routes as a dps. A dps can understand where to pop defensives as a healer and why tanks pull certain packs certain ways. A healer... honestly they probably don't need to play other roles to know that people should be taking less damage.
Really good video can't stress enough the grouping with Friends. Having a solid group to push you and help you learn to do better is a really helpful. I really appreciate the group that I run with because they really have helped me.
This is an excellent video. I’d like to add tho. The thing about meta is, it doesn’t matter. The only reason it matters is for group invites/queues and not being invited to keys because of spec, and the top 1% of players who numerically are pushing such high keys it’s only possible with meta specs. Which is ultimately blizzards poor balancing.
I’ve said many times, I’d take a consistent / dedicated SV hunter over some reroller with an overinflated score because he switched to fotm every time.
With that point made tho, specs that are in Dire Shit and who numerically can’t keep up, (even if the player is incredible at playing the spec and there was nothing more they could do to improve really) is a blizzard problem, but it sure as hell does not help everyone listing 15-20s requiring certain specs because they saw it in the MDI.
I used to deplete +4s and die to every frontal known to man, but the advice in this is how I mostly managed to peak at timing a +25 last season. Even on a prevoker I managed to get to +24s, too. IMO I think there's a lot to be talked about regarding self-improvement, if players realised how some small adjustments can make a big impact they'd be able to do a lot more :)
Even just recording game play locally to see where a single problem came up can be massive for improvement.
In the moment you might feel there was nothing you could have done or things dont add up but as you slow ot down and see it unfold you can identify how it went wrong and how you can prevent it from happening or even just understanding how you can be equipped to counter the problems if and when they come up.
I just got into M+ and I'm having a blast as a solo player. However its pretty apparent that players want meta picks the higher the keys go - waiting upwards to 30+ minutes to get invited as an off meta class. I'm primarily a PVP player and the biggest thing for me improving is never about worrying about what the other players are doing and focusing on what you're doing and how you're benefitting your group or what you could have done better in each dungeon. 100% agree with reviewing your own VODS if you truly want to get better. It's easy to get caught up and say " the healer isn't healing me?!/the tank is in the wrong position!!1/ the dps isn't doing the mechanic properly!" - while all that may be true and be the cause of you failing your key. Who cares? Go again, out of your control. As long as you performed as best you could in the circumstances is all that matters. GGS!
Tettles is en fuego with vids lately.
Hey tettles great video, was wondering if you'd mind putting out a video going over *how* to do vod reviews. I've been recording my gameplay but I'm just at a bit of a loss on what to look for and I have not been able to find anything that explains the methodology in any capacity.
Thanks!
When I play mid and low mid ranging keys and invite off spec classes they tend to do better than some of the meta classes. In my experience some of those folks know their class well and know the dungeon where some of the meta peeps just rerolled and can barely play their class. However, I do understand wanting meta players. Unless you are playing at a high level it doesn’t matter but also playing at a high level in pugs SUCKS it’s just better to get a group you know and can communicate with. Even at high levels you can bring in a meta spec and that person still can barely play despite a decent IO
Networking is my biggest weakness. But also experimenting too much is a weakness I have. I was doing keys without Verdancy this entire time, just doing stubborn stuff that wasn't working.
I think networking in WOW is super hard. The "easiest" way is to join a guild and just play with people inside that guild as like a starting point. This is obviously way easier said than done as most people cant / arent able to just commit to a guild in some form or fasion. Then the alternative is to "make friends" which again is easier said than done.
Great video man!
how do you see the percentage tile like in the thumbnail
I am kind of shocked you didn't mention communication! This may not be obvious to you/other people who have regular groups, but getting PUGS into comms (be in discord, in game, etc) is like pulling teeth. Sure, you don't need it for your weekly 18-20's, but it REALLY helps once you start pushing. So many people just assume you are going to do it like the 'last guy'. Drives me crazy.
the last one is big i finally found a group to play with so switching to that mentality took me some time
Your network suddenly dries up when ur class is bottom tier. Went from random people on my b-tag asking to play with me, to no one wanting to play bc my spec sucks
Spriest?
great video, big W
My struggle is wanting to learn to tank but being so paralyzed i just stick with melee dps =S Tried ranged and I do "okay" but not my jam im definitely melee player.
@tettles whats a homework key?
It’s like rerolling a key you’ve already completed
Tettles you've been on a roll lately pumping one great video after another! I'm not sure what caused Dratnos' vibe to shift so far away from generously sharing the informative Content he was known for, but I'm glad you've stepped in to help fill that void.
When you're more serious/somber, and not playing the fool/devil's-advocate like you often do on the podcast, you have a surprisingly empathetic vibe. It's nice.
I love the new green-screen background by the way! You can barely tell those aren't real windows and skyscrapers!
Too many people are data driven, but don't understand the data, they just see something highly represented and pick it.
I am new to M+ just starting in dragon flight. Been having a blast on my MW. Wish I had a bit more consistent group since I do not enjoy pugging (healer anxiety is real! ) Been doing +20-23s and slowly climbing in guild, but not with a consistent group. Been a lot of fun, but I did brick a TOTT22 and I wish I had recorded myself just completely screwing up on last boss. Just discovered your content recently. Some great vids.
Yo man. Tettles ist doing great Content. A Tip: He and 2 Friends (Dratnos/Trell) are doing a Podcast -Titanforgepodcast- In GG WoW Channel/before they loaded them on their YT Channel. Alot of The Conten even old Content helps insanely.
Super helpful
only play for score, everything else they tell u are lies, push and type mid pull every pull about random stuff to take the focus off the key
Remembering a quote, made some time ago; bring the player not the class......
This works to a point in mythic plus. For your average 20-23 you can bring the player, but once you start pushing to the top end, at some point, the class does matter. Since you can only bring 5 people, the class becomes increasingly important for stops, possible damage, and survivability. Preferably, you bring the player who happens to be on the best class.
It sucks when you simply don't get invited anywhere as an arms warrior.
i came back in sl s2 after 8 years break and always played shadow.. and for me s2 df was the badest off all.. im not bad 95% toping the meters and do not fail all the time..
s2 df was also the only season where i did not want to push my raiting.. i did run all dungeons +20 every week.. (ye i play alot) but in sl s3,4 and df s1,3 i had and have more fun even if the inv needs 30 min
i will never understand this rerolling all the time from players that are not top 1%.. it brings nothing
Very good points, but I think for #1 I don't entirely agree.
The meta matters, sure. But, it is also a bit worrying to make it into a huge point, because people are not looking at statistics or information, but instead rely on the perception of the meta without understanding WHY. That's why it's difficult to get into pug groups as a non-meta spec unless you have way more rating/gear than everyone else. Which is very hard to do, if you're not the black and white 5 classes which are the best.
It's the exact same thing as group ratios for pug raids. People just take something that they've seen someone else do, and not understanding why try to copy it.
It's dumb, and it makes the game way less interesting and fun than it could be if people were actually thinking for themselves. The very lack of thinking reduces all of your other points to "are they meta class, if not we will not time key".
Unfortunately people aren't designed to be good at thinking. We are very good at coming up with shortcuts, boxes and other "thinking tools" in order to avoid thinking, because it costs a lot of energy to do so. And thus it's hard to do.
Great points though about how to improve, and I will definitely look at my own play differently after this, so this was very much appreciated 🙏
I disagree about not playing for score. For some people that is a goal, but in pugs it'll get you in more groups than not. You should work on your rating to show you know all the dungeons well and can play them. A good example....look at people with 2200-2500 rating putting up 20s; no one joins their group because they see a low score and not many 20s timed. Score does matter in pugs.
Stop pushing the meta. You don't need the meta unless you're doing +25 and up. Tell people that it's not necessary unless you're going to be a 1%er. It's out of touch with the casual player
So unless you want to be the person the video is oriented for.
Playing meta is also necessary to enjoy high level pugging simply because you will spend more than 30 mins in lfg tool if you aren’t
@@NewMetaTV which is a terrible take. you dont need the meta, stop pushing the idea of the meta to those that don't need it. you're killing the game with that mentality. how many people are the 1%.....not a lot
@@johnlinks You are trying to get people to have a worse experience in LFG so that you can make some kind of point. Two things can simultaneously be true. 1) That the meta requirements for keys are way overblown and 2) That you will personally have a better experience in LFG if you play meta.
What he's saying is you will have an easier time finding groups playing meta. Yeah you can play off meta, but it will be harder to find groups. Good luck pugging any lvl as a Shadow priest or aff lock right now.
I have 2k score just from my own keys mostly because despite having 2k score I can’t get invited because I’m a shadow priest
make your own group ???? u know your in que 30-45min if u make group as DPS ?
Nah not really, I usually fill as a frost dk in like 5-10 mins
pugging keys is the most toxic part of modern wow and telling people the meta matters is just going to keep that behavior going. You're not going to brick your 14 key if you brought a combat rogue instead of a Havoc DH. Maybe if you're doing like +25s but at that point the keys get so sweaty I would never want to pug them anyway.
The things I wish i knew aka beginning players is kinda clashing with the “pro” tips for the top 1%. Anything sub 20+ is not going to need to be recording gameplay. Just playing the game will help much more. Suggesting to new players that spending half their available time watching their own gameplay is kinda toxic, not everyone is a content creator and has that kind of time to put into a game that they play maybe a few hours a week. I feel like this pretty valid advise if you are one of those players who are pushing for titles, but only in the 20-30 range.
“ five things i wish i knew when i started” it’s literally from his prospective regardless of 5,10,15,20,25 watching what your doing to improve your gameplay is almost standard now it just sounds like you don’t understand the title or what the point is. I went from 5s to 25s in one season guess what helped? VOD REVIEW🤷🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 whole 🤡
If you intentions are to improve rewatching gameplay will always make you improve faster than bruteforcing gametime
Another thing to point out is that 95% of the people out there don’t have the hardware to record their own footage. Wow is really badly optimised, especially the later content, I don’t know about you guys, but if im in a 30man raid and I have my settings set to medium or higher my fps drops bellow 10.. and i don’t have a bad computer. Maybe its just me, but if I make a mistake i try to figure out what went wrong right away, and then i remember what I did wrong. Nothing you said here invalids my original point and that is recording gameplay is for content creators and the top 1%. (People who own mid to high tier current gen computer and that is also maybe 5% of the playerbase).
@@Moonwired fam download medal tv stop making long winded excuses on a video based around what he wish he knew before he became a top tier m+ player not a fkn casual context is key and you ignore it completely
my biggest problem with the current state of the game as a solo player is M+ is just all about RaidIO score. After just one week if youre not 1500 or more, then youll never get into a pug. its a joke. why blizz allows it is mindboggling
I also missed a week over Tgiving which completely wrecked my score as I had a bunch of blanks in Tyran. I ran with some friends and then pugged my own key to where I'm back in a decent spot to find good pugs. It's annoying sure but also it's way better than the alternative.
Yeah, I mean that is annoying but just push your own key for score in that case
Screw the meta. I have out dps’d and added more value to keys on “non-meta” specs. Meta spec means nothing for 90% of keys, skill matters more
I just hit 3k this week. One piece of advice id give... NEVER invite people with 3400+ IO players in dungeons they have done several levels over. EVERY FREAKING TIME you invite a tank with a high IO they do there testing and wreck your key. never invite high io players. sounds weird but just dont. the higher IO players the more toxic they get. I have people will leave a key because we didn't 3 chest a BRH and would of two chested it. Stupid shit like that they will leave on.
The meta slavery and lack of skill in most of the groups is just hilarious
Kicks are still a myth in 2023 in some 20+ groups
I think pushing people to play meta is not a good idea. Part of the reason people ask for Augs at +16
pugging is just easier as a meta class then not its cut and dry. thats just what the status quo is, tettles or any other single person is not going to change that.
I always play shadow cause its the most fun class to me and its always really hard to get into a group even if i bring grat dps or pi value or offheal or despells etc people just dont care. Its really sad sometimes being alome without a main group. And i dont think that will ever change with this dogshit cc, no baselime br or bl its just sad. But still i push threw amd sometimes shadow act is meta.
the entire vod reviewing thing is a bit much but honestly just playing with friends makes m+ easier.
it's actually not a bad idea at all to record yourself if you want to improve quickly. Much easier to focus on mistakes you are doing, once you don't have to worry about dying to mechanics. That applies to a lot of other hobbies as well (in sports for exemple)
At the start of S2 I really struggled to heal Emberon on my resto druid and I bricked a key because we wiped a few times on it in my guild group. So after a wipe where it felt like I couldn't do anything and it was unplayable I just shadowplayed my gameplay and looked it over and I could instantly spot my mistakes. Also I could compare how and where I used cooldowns compared to how other healers who healed the exact same fight used theirs.
Honestly like looking over your gameplay is super useful cause you instantly see several things that would have saved you that you didn't think about in the moment.
If you want to actually become a 1% player that is tremendously helpful and will increase your improvement by alot
So here is what you need to do.... M+ during the day. Do it so you understand the incredible mix of people's play style and ability. Do it only on LFG because that is all there is during the day. Some of us have to play during the day. Its really hard my friend. Then add to that the problem of kids nowadays cant read nor are they interested in watching the masterclass videos. Not all, but during the day, not alot of choices. Thanks for the video. Not useful if you think there is any chance of playing with an organized group during the day, but thank you for trying! When I see someone trying to do a +20 and the last thing they did was a +8, its what we see all the time DURING THE DAY!
Just play DH. Easy instant invites.
Dh sham an Aug or reroll
Use KICK
Playing meta at low level keys definitely cuts down on wasted time for even the casual pug player. Its not necessary and it shouldn't be this way but the social formula dictates that you need to copy off the best. Even if the whole idea is a made up sham at the low end.
and here we go ... no.1 = meta matters = this is one of these videos where people starting not playing a class they want, no, they are "forced" to play a class where they a easily picked from a large number of dd's. sorry, but NO NO NO! this is the only thing u have to keep in mind if u wanna play really really high keys!
meta slavery is 100% the worst part of mythic+. Everyone thinks they are the top 2% of players running the top 2% of keys where meta slavery actually makes a difference. Doing 20 keys or less? Meta is meaningless.
You lost me in the first minute. What is "meta"?
Meta is often referred to as "Most Efficient/Effective Tactic(s) Avaliable" even tho it is not proven that it is the actual pronouncination. "Meta" basically means, playing the comp/specc/class that is valued as "best" right now. Its based of optimizing time/value/effiencency when it comes to clearing certain objectives in games. In terms of M+ it means u play a certain specc-compilation to be as effective and smooth as possible in ur runs. These values are based off of the talents and buffs, certain classes bring to the table, but also survivability or flat dmg output are important for effective highkey runs. U might wanna check out MDI, a tournament hosted by blizzard, where the best of the best absoluty destroy high M+ keys due to their individual skill but also "meta-comps"
Ignore it. Play the spec and the build you enjoy. You may not get the highest score, but you’ll enjoy life more. And you only live once.
@@LodvarDudewrong video for you mate
@@theew0w_-that's definitely the over-analyzed internet gaymer version of what meta means, and also, no one watching this video would not know what meta means.
@@LodvarDudeBozo comment
You are wrong about people being "data driven" when it comes to the meta. They are just brainless copycats that try to mimic someone else without any understanding of "why"
Im not vod viewing.
Daddy
Most important tip of them all?
Don't play mythic+.
Ha.
please stop perpetuating the falsity that meta matters.
"The Meta Matters...."
Yeah, and it changes every other week.
The game is such a joke nowadays, smh.
I think as long as they know the boss fights, geared for the key they are doing, and do their job. Anything below a +16 is doable.
To be perfectly honest, anything below a 25 is even doable by any spec. It’s more just like it makes your job MUCH harder if you’re playing off meta. Whether that be getting into groups, finding strats, etc.
@@Tettles I guess but some people shouldn't be penalized because they play a certain class. That just sucks!!
@@Tettleshow many people are actually doing +25s? Not many. There are too many casual players where this video is completely out of touch
@@johnlinks This video is clearly not for them then. I just got all 20s done on my disc priest but taking that step into doing +21 and above feels like a big step so this video is really useful.
@@ctk4949 Acknowledging the reality of what playing meta means for your experience doesn't mean you agree with that sentiment. He's not saying you should play meta because non-meta classes are bad, he's saying that playing meta means you have better access to grouping.