Fun fact: the Great Wall was built by the Jim dynasty to keep a terrible cup-like creature out of their territory. Some speculate that this creature was in fact Iron Mugulis that traveled back in time to terrorize the chinese population.
I've been walled by a last mon suicune soooo many times. Blissey taking hits, chipping w toxic and sand (yama w knock off) and then when he rests hariyama comes in a focus punches until the mfer dies lol
It's the gen I still play the most. It's enough complex to provide a challenge whilst not being too complicated for those as myself to whom the latest gens caught us too old for learning new mechanics.
SuperEpicAmpharos' use of Lunatone in SPL may orbit in the mind of a lunatic, but it goes to proove; the creativity and balance in ADV will never be ecplised.
@@IbbiG91 Solrock is also cool, but for the purpose shown, you'll want a special attacker for ice beam. Now if we could give gen three Solrock Glacial Lance...
@@qwertyrhoads9295Honestly, let's give big dumb moves to everything that needs it. Give Mawile Geomancy so it can pretend to have it's Huge Power days back.
Hopefully he wasn't one of the victims of the travel scam orchestrated by past Paradox form of Goldengo, Old Money, where hundreds of travelers were left stranded halfway through their itineraries.
Gen III is becoming one of my favorite metas. Gens V on feel bloated with extremely lopsided offensive mons to the point where creativity is no longer rewarded. Terastalization is the only thing holding SV's meta together. Gen III has infinite versatility and is one of the most well designed competitive.
@@Justpassingby204 Tera saved it for me. Mons like Skeledirge, Garganacl, Kingambit, Baxcalibur, and Dragonite wouldn't be half as good without it. If it ever was banned, it would lead to a static meta much like BW2 and SS.
@@theschnozzler Gen V OU is atrocious. They banned everything that I used to love about it back in the day. No sleep, chlorophyll, swift swim, sand rush is allowed.
@@gio9255 tbh sleep was busted (gf why?) and correct me if I'm wrong but the weather speed boosting abilities weren't banned, I think to this day they didn't go further than aldaron's proposal. The tiering was a mess tho banning and unbanning constantly and leaving stuff like darkrai or deoxys into the tier for... reasons
so much to learn about gen 3 meta in this vid. I’m always impressed by how versatile it is. New options are always good, but limits help squeeze out potential and gen 3 ou definitely shows how thats possible.
This swellow probably is the pinnacle of off-meta team building. Just starting off the a baton pass trap to magneton is propably so meta, he didn't need to explain that. But this play was sooooo satisfying, geez killing skarm in round 2 is just amazing to watch.
With the Swellow strat, it is a shame that so many Pokemon post-gen 3 have access to priority moves of some kind. I could see this strat working out very well for BSS, provided instead of a Starf Berry, another berry is used like the Salac or Petaya Berry. Also, rocks.
@@asierrv Right, but I am saying that in tandem with priority sometimes you can't even use a dedicated lead like that, especially since rocks are a thing. Trying to apply the logic to 2023 BSS.
I really love videos like this where you show unique and creative strategies like these. They really make competitive pokemon seem so fun and expressive. Please do more!
Hey Jimothy! Glad to see you doing gen 3 videos again. I know you've been on the grind with more recent generations this past year for views, but the longwinded gen 3 battles taken from your streams are some of my favorite comfort videos for me to watch. I would love to see them back at some point!
To be honest, I may want to try gen 3 OU. The newer gens OU have been kind of tiring with constant return of the same strong legendaries Pokemon that are always good no matter what in OU (Lando-T, Zapdos, Heatran), so seeing a metagame where people try to fit in some weird oddball stuffs feels a bit fresher
Great video! Keen for a part 2. Though I never had the chance to play gen 3 meta, I've read lots of gen 3 Smogon sets over the years which would be great video topics: - Explosion user + endure, endeavour, spore, extreme speed Smeargle + fake out user in 2v2 - Sub + morning sun + status Moltres - DD + flail Kingra - Swagger + psych up Regirock - The moves snatch, torment, trick
Morning Sun Moltres, hard to set up but good and usable. DD Kingdra not a thing, Flail wouldn't work well either. Swagger Psych Up would be extremely situational, usually wouldn't work. I've Torment before but it's whatever. Trick is risky and often predictable. Snatch has seen most success with Toxic Blissey in the mirror match.
While none of these strategies arent really a surprise to me since i watch FSG videos, i like that diff strategies counter other meta strats, which make other strats better due to those strats. This is why i love singles, where creativity can be used to put people in an advantage.
i played pokemon showdown on the great wall of china back in 2022 dont got video proof cause my phone is my camera and my phone is my showndown device to .. so its kinda impossible but your not the first
I'm really glad you shouted out the emerald draft open a while back and in general have been talking about gen 3. I joined it on a whim and have since fallen in love with gen 3 (ou and in general). I ended top 32 off luck and over planning, and since then have loved gen 3 ou. My love of Pokémon was kinda dropping, gen 4 ou just not doing it for me after I got top 10 in the ladder and then immediately felt like every game was the same. Gen 3 is such a condensed but versatile tier that words don't do it justice
Awesome stuff. Limited metagames are always so interesting, leads to wild building strategies. Penny Dreadful in Magic the Gathering feels quite similar.
I'm always ready for more weird shit. After all, that's why I personally prefer draft leagues, because you don't have to prepare for 45 mons with 2 sets each, but for 11 mons with a bazillion sets each - and the most random seeming stuff can work out there. And it's not about who had more broken mons, but about who made the optimal choices in terms of sets, items and EVs. It feels less like being tasked with "hey, put together a soccer team that cna beat any team with any combination of players under any circumstances", and way more like "hey, your opponent has these 25 players to choose from, you get these other 25, individually the teams are quite even - come up with the better strategy and combine your players and their strength in the best way to win"
I remember back in the day during the gen 6 era I was climbing on the ladder consistently and even made it to about 1500 elo on a good track as well to reach 1600. One day while playing doing my usual grind I fought a fairly standard team, can't remember the entirety of it except for one Pokémon, their Ferothorn. Now, there's nothing special about it since you see Fero all the time but this one stood out to me for what happened during that game. At some point I managed to safely swap in my Mega Pinsir in front of their Fero in order to set up Swords Dance which usually be the turning point right then and there but what happened next truly was a shocker. That Fero had THUNDER in it's move slot! As soon as I set up SD he straight up used Thunder to Ohko my Mega Pinsir. I was so taken aback by this that I somehow didn't know what to do at that point and promptly lost the game. I wanted to ask the guy why but he quickly left. This may not be a gen 3 Strat but it's on the topic of weird ones that'll forever be in the back of my mind. Just wanted to share this after hearing about the bit where confusing the player is often enough to win the game.
I’ve been using Porygon 2 in gen 3 ou recently. I made a move set that revolves around the trace ability where I can do stuff like steal metagross’s clear body or breloom’s effect spore. It can even be a hard counter to breloom usually one shotting it with blizzard. Here’s the set I used for anyone wanting to try it- Protect Blizzard Recover Thunderbolt Ability: trace Item: Lum berry Nature: Any special atk or special def raising nature.
ha yea i did the lunatone ice beam thing back in the day i think any mon with 216 sp atk has guarantee to ohko salamence with ice beam if i recall correctly (did that calc 15 years ago, so... it might be wrong xD)
2:34 Suicune and Snorlax walked so Houndstone and King Gambit could run. I do think the natural development of sacrificing your team for immunity to phasing is cooler than being incentivized to sacrifice your team because your Pokémon’s move/ability is programmed to get a boost from that though.
'the only Pokemon that can outspeed swellow is zolteon and Aerodactyl.' Its ok, crobat, i appreciate you. Just a nitpick, i enjoy ya content ^^ also side note, i was into gen6/7 OU mostly, and guts swellow is a monster, its facade, 2HKO'd like everything. One extreme example of this was against primal groudon, whixh honestly was shocking (yes i know its uber, but you cant force random passerbys to OU with no context)
![The Gen 3 OU Iceberg Explained [Part 1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8dh4MSEt6aY/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Gen 3 OU Iceberg Explained [Part 1]](/img/tr.png)
Part 2 is finally here!
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The link sends you to the same video
the video you meant to link is "Insane Pokemon Teams That Somehow Won"
I've always loved the creativity behind Vapicuno's starf berry swellow team
Is he still playing? I remember playing against him like 6 years ago (he used to mop the floor with me).
That was a really amazing example of non-linear team building. Such a great mode switch
The Swellow tech is probably the most creative strategy I’ve seen so far
I'm astonished by that Blissey too, like, man, it loses the tail by evolving from Chansey
*flashbacks of primeape using iron tail when it lost it's tail too evolving from mankey
Fun fact: the Great Wall was built by the Jim dynasty to keep a terrible cup-like creature out of their territory. Some speculate that this creature was in fact Iron Mugulis that traveled back in time to terrorize the chinese population.
My theory? It's some sort of past paradox Sinistea.
The great wall mas made to contain epic creatures from Spore
Based Iron Mugulis
It also apparently changed the name of the Jim Dynasty
The Tail Whip Blissey blew my mind holy shit that's gangster.
Blissey doesn't even have a tail. I guess she shakes that ass😂.
Not better than oran berry blissed tho
Didn’t even know it got the move.
Does she even have a tail?
I've been walled by a last mon suicune soooo many times. Blissey taking hits, chipping w toxic and sand (yama w knock off) and then when he rests hariyama comes in a focus punches until the mfer dies lol
@@jazzercise300Did you know Mankey and Primeape get Iron tail despite having no tail?
Crazy how Gen3 is still played to this day
It’s a very interesting and balanced tier. I recommend the person reading this comment to try it out
Gen 1 is played too
Ou of every gen are played because they're the most popular tier formats. I play gen 1 and 3 ou more than S/V ou
Not really. Every gen’s OU has something to draw new players in
It's the gen I still play the most. It's enough complex to provide a challenge whilst not being too complicated for those as myself to whom the latest gens caught us too old for learning new mechanics.
SuperEpicAmpharos' use of Lunatone in SPL may orbit in the mind of a lunatic, but it goes to proove; the creativity and balance in ADV will never be ecplised.
I'm glad somebody used Lunatone effectively. It has always been one of my favourite Pokemon :D
Have to disagree as a Solrock user 😅
@@IbbiG91 Solrock is also cool, but for the purpose shown, you'll want a special attacker for ice beam. Now if we could give gen three Solrock Glacial Lance...
@@qwertyrhoads9295 fair enough^
@@qwertyrhoads9295Honestly, let's give big dumb moves to everything that needs it.
Give Mawile Geomancy so it can pretend to have it's Huge Power days back.
@@1stCallipostle While we're at it, we should give Vileplume Tail Glow, maybe then it can set itself apart from Victreebell more.
Clicked on the video for Lunatone, stayed for starf swellow. That was so cool
Your gen 3 content stays undefeated as your best content, cool video
Never ask Jimothy why he was in China in the first place.
He must be hot on the trail of the notorious future paradox form of Sinistea, Iron Mugulis.
Iron Mugulis contacted the leader of China, who happens to be the Future Paradox form of Ursaring, Iron-Willed Dictator
because it is a beautiful country with fascinating historical sites and artifacts known for its vibrant culture and delicious cuisine 😊
Hopefully he wasn't one of the victims of the travel scam orchestrated by past Paradox form of Goldengo, Old Money, where hundreds of travelers were left stranded halfway through their itineraries.
Joo Dee: "There is no Pokemon Showdown in B-
Gen III is becoming one of my favorite metas. Gens V on feel bloated with extremely lopsided offensive mons to the point where creativity is no longer rewarded. Terastalization is the only thing holding SV's meta together. Gen III has infinite versatility and is one of the most well designed competitive.
Gen 5 ou being bad is a meme at this point
Tera is debatably hurting SV
@@Justpassingby204 Tera saved it for me. Mons like Skeledirge, Garganacl, Kingambit, Baxcalibur, and Dragonite wouldn't be half as good without it. If it ever was banned, it would lead to a static meta much like BW2 and SS.
@@theschnozzler Gen V OU is atrocious. They banned everything that I used to love about it back in the day. No sleep, chlorophyll, swift swim, sand rush is allowed.
@@gio9255 tbh sleep was busted (gf why?) and correct me if I'm wrong but the weather speed boosting abilities weren't banned, I think to this day they didn't go further than aldaron's proposal. The tiering was a mess tho banning and unbanning constantly and leaving stuff like darkrai or deoxys into the tier for... reasons
so much to learn about gen 3 meta in this vid. I’m always impressed by how versatile it is.
New options are always good, but limits help squeeze out potential and gen 3 ou definitely shows how thats possible.
My favourite thing about Lunatone and Solrock is that in Gen VI they wall Primal Groudon
I loved how you fought back the barbarians from the great wall like it was intended for
Gimothy gen 3 content is what our species has been destined for. Every technological and societal advancement was to get us to here
Jimothy had to make this to cleanse his palate from Gen 9 OU
This swellow probably is the pinnacle of off-meta team building. Just starting off the a baton pass trap to magneton is propably so meta, he didn't need to explain that. But this play was sooooo satisfying, geez killing skarm in round 2 is just amazing to watch.
"Great Wall"? Is that a new past Paradox Pokemon??
haha i think finch commented on that twitter post saying something to the effect of "you mean you played pokemon on top of a Toxapex?"
i absolutely LOVE spamming ice beam with Lunatone! paired with psychic, calm mind and rock slide. Drake's entire team is toast 😂
Seeing Lunatone on the thumbnail and it being used in Gen 3 competitive made my day, it’s my favorite Pokémon!
Please make more of this, it’s such amazing stuff that people came up with these strategies to succeed.
Honestly sense Gen 3 is my favourite gen I started getting into Gen 3 competitive and you’ve been a help to that! I’d love to see more
With the Swellow strat, it is a shame that so many Pokemon post-gen 3 have access to priority moves of some kind. I could see this strat working out very well for BSS, provided instead of a Starf Berry, another berry is used like the Salac or Petaya Berry.
Also, rocks.
rocks doesnt matter, he wants to be at 1hp both for endeavor and starf. baton pass ban and team preview tho
@@asierrv Right, but I am saying that in tandem with priority sometimes you can't even use a dedicated lead like that, especially since rocks are a thing. Trying to apply the logic to 2023 BSS.
@@AWoodNY got it, starf berry isnt in the game rn i would assume?
Great list, Jim! Glad to see you're introducing a new audience to gen 3 OU. You're doing God's work.
I really love videos like this where you show unique and creative strategies like these. They really make competitive pokemon seem so fun and expressive. Please do more!
I humbly request more crazy Gen 3 OU content 🙏
I really like your videos because i love this format yet i havent played a single game of it
Hey Jimothy! Glad to see you doing gen 3 videos again. I know you've been on the grind with more recent generations this past year for views, but the longwinded gen 3 battles taken from your streams are some of my favorite comfort videos for me to watch. I would love to see them back at some point!
To be honest, I may want to try gen 3 OU.
The newer gens OU have been kind of tiring with constant return of the same strong legendaries Pokemon that are always good no matter what in OU (Lando-T, Zapdos, Heatran), so seeing a metagame where people try to fit in some weird oddball stuffs feels a bit fresher
You'd think a usage based system would really start being concerned when things are on 60% of teams for 10 years straight
Great video! Keen for a part 2.
Though I never had the chance to play gen 3 meta, I've read lots of gen 3 Smogon sets over the years which would be great video topics:
- Explosion user + endure, endeavour, spore, extreme speed Smeargle + fake out user in 2v2
- Sub + morning sun + status Moltres
- DD + flail Kingra
- Swagger + psych up Regirock
- The moves snatch, torment, trick
Morning Sun Moltres, hard to set up but good and usable.
DD Kingdra not a thing, Flail wouldn't work well either.
Swagger Psych Up would be extremely situational, usually wouldn't work.
I've Torment before but it's whatever. Trick is risky and often predictable. Snatch has seen most success with Toxic Blissey in the mirror match.
While none of these strategies arent really a surprise to me since i watch FSG videos, i like that diff strategies counter other meta strats, which make other strats better due to those strats. This is why i love singles, where creativity can be used to put people in an advantage.
Roaring Moon? More like Can’t Do Shit Against The Moon!
Check out Vapicuno's video showcasing his Swellow team:
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i played pokemon showdown on the great wall of china back in 2022 dont got video proof cause my phone is my camera and my phone is my showndown device to .. so its kinda impossible but your not the first
I'm really glad you shouted out the emerald draft open a while back and in general have been talking about gen 3. I joined it on a whim and have since fallen in love with gen 3 (ou and in general). I ended top 32 off luck and over planning, and since then have loved gen 3 ou. My love of Pokémon was kinda dropping, gen 4 ou just not doing it for me after I got top 10 in the ladder and then immediately felt like every game was the same. Gen 3 is such a condensed but versatile tier that words don't do it justice
Awesome stuff. Limited metagames are always so interesting, leads to wild building strategies. Penny Dreadful in Magic the Gathering feels quite similar.
i would love for a team showcase/gameplay of vapicuno's cbgar lead speedpass team he showed on his channel
I'm always ready for more weird shit. After all, that's why I personally prefer draft leagues, because you don't have to prepare for 45 mons with 2 sets each, but for 11 mons with a bazillion sets each - and the most random seeming stuff can work out there. And it's not about who had more broken mons, but about who made the optimal choices in terms of sets, items and EVs. It feels less like being tasked with "hey, put together a soccer team that cna beat any team with any combination of players under any circumstances", and way more like "hey, your opponent has these 25 players to choose from, you get these other 25, individually the teams are quite even - come up with the better strategy and combine your players and their strength in the best way to win"
That swellow team is now one of my favorites. The creativity and rng. Chefs kiss! thats why i like competitive pokemon and gen 3 right there
Iam running out of ways to hype this mans uploads:) Was just rewatching your ubers league since ubers is now available on showdown!
So informal. Thank you for making these videos! Has been very helpful for someone just getting into gen 3 competitive singles
I would love to see more videos of old formats, especially considering the state of gen 9 OU. These are some of my favorite videos of yours.
I remember back in the day during the gen 6 era I was climbing on the ladder consistently and even made it to about 1500 elo on a good track as well to reach 1600. One day while playing doing my usual grind I fought a fairly standard team, can't remember the entirety of it except for one Pokémon, their Ferothorn. Now, there's nothing special about it since you see Fero all the time but this one stood out to me for what happened during that game. At some point I managed to safely swap in my Mega Pinsir in front of their Fero in order to set up Swords Dance which usually be the turning point right then and there but what happened next truly was a shocker. That Fero had THUNDER in it's move slot! As soon as I set up SD he straight up used Thunder to Ohko my Mega Pinsir. I was so taken aback by this that I somehow didn't know what to do at that point and promptly lost the game. I wanted to ask the guy why but he quickly left. This may not be a gen 3 Strat but it's on the topic of weird ones that'll forever be in the back of my mind. Just wanted to share this after hearing about the bit where confusing the player is often enough to win the game.
I love your gen3 content; I know little about the tier and your content is super easy to digest which makes it easy to learn about the tier. Awesome!
finally lunatone getting the recognition it deserves
I’ve been using Porygon 2 in gen 3 ou recently. I made a move set that revolves around the trace ability where I can do stuff like steal metagross’s clear body or breloom’s effect spore. It can even be a hard counter to breloom usually one shotting it with blizzard.
Here’s the set I used for anyone wanting to try it-
Protect
Blizzard
Recover
Thunderbolt
Ability: trace
Item: Lum berry
Nature: Any special atk or special def raising nature.
Gen 3 , so old , yet so fresh !
_How poetic_
I would love to see a part 2! This was really fun to watch
I already loved solrock and Lunatone. I always try picking them up in my gen 3 nuzlochs
wonderful view, very engaging, enjoyable and accurate, the perfect kind of pokemon content!
That Swellow set is SICK
Jimothy, I enjoyed your showcasing of these weird strategies.
I would love more examples, great video Jim COOL!
SEA’s nicknames all being song names from the Rush album clockwork angels is awesome
Very interesting video mate !
Also shiny kingdra having green eyes is something I never noticed
the arctic meme is so good oh my god.
The only thing I remember about Gen 3 was me playing McGar (Gengar with Focus Punch) to surprise Blissey on the switch in.
Im the first person to play showdown inside of my house
Came here because I saw the thumbnail and it makes me proud that I run hydro pump mystic water mence lol
I'd love to see more of these
always here for jim gen3 content
Playing Pokémon Showdown on the Great Wall is a weird flex, but okay. You do you.
I enjoyed your showcasing of these strange sets
These are some weird strategies, that’s for sure!
Combining Tail Whip Blissey and Defense Curl Blissey into one Blissey would create the ultimate PP troll Blissey... 😈
I never thought much of Gen 3 OV until I watched your videos
This was such a good video! Always love the gen 3 content
absolutely freaking goated
swell! I only knew swellow as a toxic orb facade attacker glad to see this
Man I love brewing with unexpected mons like Slaking revenge killer in monotype normal or unexpected sets like all physical life orb nidoking.
ha yea i did the lunatone ice beam thing back in the day
i think any mon with 216 sp atk has guarantee to ohko salamence with ice beam if i recall correctly (did that calc 15 years ago, so... it might be wrong xD)
Make a part 2 it will be soo cool
Nice video! For me the best one was deffinily the boost berry + subs + endeavor . So scummy. Lunatone was insane too
Really good vid
Shout out to the Netbattle era!! 💜
These are some great sets! ADV OU is so uniquely cool :)
Want to see more!
I'd love to see videos on these individual strategies covered in this video
That starf berry swellow is legit so cool
Best part of gen 3 is the crazy amount of pokemon you can run on a team
Love this video format would like to see more like it.
Old Money will kidnap Jimothy
2:34 Suicune and Snorlax walked so Houndstone and King Gambit could run.
I do think the natural development of sacrificing your team for immunity to phasing is cooler than being incentivized to sacrifice your team because your Pokémon’s move/ability is programmed to get a boost from that though.
Sorry my friend. I studied university and China and I played showdown on the great wall while waiting for sunset. XD
The swellow strategy honestly my favorite
My bro played in the great wall but didn't used the great wall...
Really awesome video Mr. Cool
that swellow team is so cool omg
i’d love a part 2!
yo shoutouts to SEA with the Clockwork Angels song titles team
Great Wall? I don’t know that Paradox Pokémon. Hopefully it can stand up to Iron Mugulis and Old Money though
blissey really just snatched suicune's wig
More vids like this would be great!
To this day my most creative plays were hydration max Lapras with assult vest and F.E.A.R tatcics urshifu.
'the only Pokemon that can outspeed swellow is zolteon and Aerodactyl.'
Its ok, crobat, i appreciate you.
Just a nitpick, i enjoy ya content ^^ also side note, i was into gen6/7 OU mostly, and guts swellow is a monster, its facade, 2HKO'd like everything. One extreme example of this was against primal groudon, whixh honestly was shocking (yes i know its uber, but you cant force random passerbys to OU with no context)
The swellow-one was insane
Great Wall, the past paradox form of Palossand
cool vid, would love to see more
That Swellow team is so smart