Buddy this channel is an absolute joke. I thought for sure you had him in top 15 the whole time. But you missed Tyler Myers in total! He’s got a Calder, Crosby and McDavid don’t even have that!!!
Good list! I was ready to go to war... I've seen fans rate Makar over Orr... insanity! I wouldn't argue if Howe was above Crosby, but it would only be longevity. Dude played in the NHL at 50. And in addition to the pts, many of those years was considered one of the toughest/dirtiest in the league. The Top 3 is indisputable. Orr revolutionized the position and game.
Man I was just clowning you for saying he’s the most overrated player ever, think 5 is perfectly reasonable, can only see him overtaking Orr if he keeps up this pace and can find a way to hit 2nd all time in points.
@sword2872 Nah nah don't switch up now yall we're telling me that Orr was scoring from the red line so it was easy. You guys were also saying I'm not accepted in the Habs community. I dont care. I just know yall ain't accepted in the Hockey community LMAOO. I'm playing but I find it so funny.
Guy Lafleur was the most wonderful player to watch and had the most appropriate nickname in all of sports "The Flower"...Phil Esposito carried Team Canada in the Summit Series in 73 and if the Habs weren't so dominant he would have had more cups...I met Jagr, he sounded just like Frankenstein's monster...Larry Robinson actually once worked with my Dad and he said he was the strongest man he ever met and he should be in the top 15, only Orr was better at the position IMO...I feel so blessed to have watched Lemieux and Gretzky for their entire career and I don't think anyone can beat them, they took it to a different level...you're younger than I am so I get the Connor McDavid man crush and he's an elite player but he's not in Mario or Wankers' league. Cheers from Ottawa, Canada🍁
I LOVE Nick Lidstrom but having him at 4 is absolutely insane, no way, swap him and Howe and its a little more palatable. Gordie Howe is also eay too low, hes clear cut number 4.
Everyone cries about Marios injuries and says without that he would be #1. But everyone forgets that Gretz had a back injury so severe he almost retired in like 1990. He played a decade with a fucked up back and that's why he stopped shooting so much
I still think stevie Y was done dirty, he was competing for the hart while playing most of his career against Gretzky and lemieux, other than that i agree with the list but if ovi is going to move up before retiring then just stick him at 8 for now
I wonder if Bobby Hull would have made it, if he never went to the WHA / WHA never existed. He had 604 goals at age 33, so he likely finishes 3rd in goals all time ahead of Gordie in that other timeline. Also if you put in Hasek for that incredible 6 year peak, do you add Ken Dryden as well? Or players who had short but noteworthy careers, Orr makes it but Dryden doesn't? Sure, he's a bit of a nutjob and quit because winning was boring or whatever, but he's got to be the #2 goalie in skill. We're talking about greatest players, not players who played the longest. Dryden has almost as many shutouts as losses! Or is he getting punished for being on the best team ever assembled?
@@MikeBartner Right, but Orr was also on a severely loaded team (because Orr was on it lol) but it isn't like he was the only one there. If you replace Dryden with a random Chump Worsley, or better yet if BOSTON of all teams hadn't traded him to Montreal for 2 guys with no hockey-reference page, would he make it in then? Imagine that Boston team with Dryden there instead, and maybe they beat Philly. Random aside: Does any team even come close to the number of fantastic goalies that Montreal has had? I bet they lap the field. Anyway, I understand your reasoning, just making the comment that a stacked team is stacked because of the players on it and they all benefit from each other, that's all.
Richard not being top 10 is quite bad. First superstar (famous superstar, no disrespect to Morenz and others) he should 100% he ahead of lafleur and Esposito. Also Edit: No Doug Harvey?????
Wayne is the best goal scorer of all time not even close ovi might not even break his record and ovi already has over 1500 more shots than Wayne still less goals also Wayne was pass first guy if he wanted to he could have scored 1000 goals
Also I think Patrick Roy is a but overrated. I don't even think he's top 50 all time. I know stats aren't everything but he had worse career save percentage than Mike Smith. He also was surrounded by hall of fame players his whole career on Montreal and Colorado.
Roy dragged two Habs teams to the cup and revolutionised goaltending as we know it by perfecting the butterfly style. Some of his early stats don't seem as good but that's just because it was the 80s, and he was at one point the only goalie in the league with a save percentage above .900. I understand if he isn't the greatest goalie of all time but just for how much he changed the game while still being so good he deserves a high spot.
Agree a lot with your list, but you can not have such top 15 without players from the USA…. The third strongest country of Hockey history. And I’m from Mtl. P. Kane ou Leech would be my guy. I admit it’s hard to say who to drop…. Hasek…. Goalies deserve their own list…. and Roy is on top brother.
Guy Lafleur is overrated. Adjusting for era, he ranks 63rd in adjusted points. Lmao... having Jagr at 10th? When he left for the KHL for multiple years and still managed to be 2nd all time in scoring. Sad Also Hasek is top 5 all time
@@pipoj5 Average flyers fan IQ. Jagr has also played like 500 more games. Crosby has a higher points per game, has been better defensively, has had more team success, more awards and his prime was in a much lower scoring era than Jagrs prime. It’s really not a debate.
@@mcj44 you talk like Jaromir jagr playing insane amount of games is a bad thing when it just shows how good he is also his +/- is over 100 better than crosbys on top of having more goals and assist
@@pipoj5 You act like Crosby doesn’t have insane longevity. Guy just had 40 goals 94 points at age 36 while having a terrible powerplay. And again, Crosby points per game is much better. Also using +\- instantly invalidates your argument.
@@mcj44 jagr is 52 and still playing in a top tier hockey league and +/- is a good stat becouse its about both defence and offence when most stats are just about one of the two
@@pipoj5 Jagr played in the NHL until he was 48 and he bounced around in the end. Crosby is still a top 10 player at age 36. Again, better defence more points more awards more cups harder era. It’s not even close lol
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The Bowen Byram disrespect is crazy
Cup CHAMPION Bowen Byram to you
@@MikeBartner sadly the only cup he's winning in Buffalo is a side of ranch to go with his wings
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@jagermaisterretsiamregaj4935 it's his opinion
Buddy this channel is an absolute joke. I thought for sure you had him in top 15 the whole time. But you missed Tyler Myers in total! He’s got a Calder, Crosby and McDavid don’t even have that!!!
HAHAHAAHAHAAHH very true
The Paul Bissonnette disrespect is crazy.
Love the Ovi respect!
Yessir1
Nick Lidstrom gets underrated, easily the 2nd best defenseman of all time imo
Doug Harvey might be better. He is easy third. Harvey also has 7 Norris trophy’s. Lindstrom clear 3rd although Harvey and him are close.
Good list! I was ready to go to war... I've seen fans rate Makar over Orr... insanity! I wouldn't argue if Howe was above Crosby, but it would only be longevity. Dude played in the NHL at 50. And in addition to the pts, many of those years was considered one of the toughest/dirtiest in the league. The Top 3 is indisputable. Orr revolutionized the position and game.
Thank you mbon. 🤝 Had like 5 people telling me Crosby is top 3 over Orr on ur ig post. At least someone agrees.. 😅
Yessir!
Man I was just clowning you for saying he’s the most overrated player ever, think 5 is perfectly reasonable, can only see him overtaking Orr if he keeps up this pace and can find a way to hit 2nd all time in points.
@sword2872 Nah nah don't switch up now yall we're telling me that Orr was scoring from the red line so it was easy. You guys were also saying I'm not accepted in the Habs community. I dont care. I just know yall ain't accepted in the Hockey community LMAOO. I'm playing but I find it so funny.
@@4u2nvHock3y lmao I don’t see him taking over Orr, I was just clowning on the comment about Crosby being the most overrated player of all time 😂
God cant believe you missed such a generational talent known as Nail Yakupov
The toe Blake disrespect is crazy
Nikita Kucherov 12th best ppg% all time. Round of applause for a no doubt T30 guy when he retires
Agreed
@@MikeBartner W Mike
Guy Lafleur was the most wonderful player to watch and had the most appropriate nickname in all of sports "The Flower"...Phil Esposito carried Team Canada in the Summit Series in 73 and if the Habs weren't so dominant he would have had more cups...I met Jagr, he sounded just like Frankenstein's monster...Larry Robinson actually once worked with my Dad and he said he was the strongest man he ever met and he should be in the top 15, only Orr was better at the position IMO...I feel so blessed to have watched Lemieux and Gretzky for their entire career and I don't think anyone can beat them, they took it to a different level...you're younger than I am so I get the Connor McDavid man crush and he's an elite player but he's not in Mario or Wankers' league. Cheers from Ottawa, Canada🍁
72.
👍 Yes
The Patrik Stefan disrespect is crazy bro
Jagr disrespect crazy
I know you wanted to put Adam Fox 1st
HAHAHAAHAA
No Evan Bouchard projection is crazy
greatest defenseman ever
I LOVE Nick Lidstrom but having him at 4 is absolutely insane, no way, swap him and Howe and its a little more palatable. Gordie Howe is also eay too low, hes clear cut number 4.
Everyone cries about Marios injuries and says without that he would be #1. But everyone forgets that Gretz had a back injury so severe he almost retired in like 1990. He played a decade with a fucked up back and that's why he stopped shooting so much
Mario had a bad back most of his career and dealt with cancer at the same time
It’s not even close
So did mario, not as bad, but still, plus he had cancer
gretz still would have dominated him
eh.. Bossy or either of the hull's could have been put in there. Maybe even brodeur or coffey. Nice vid though!
Those guys are within the top 30 dw!
Infinite respect for Mike Bossy, definitely could have been higher if his back is wasn't a bitch
Yea gotta be top 20
I still believe Bossy is the greatest goal scorer of all time
mcdavid is going to finish his career at #2 lets be honest
Where is Taylor Hall??? He has more MVPs than 95% of players!!!
Matt Rempe disrespect is crazy, also wheres broduer for reel
Gordie Howe disrespect is INSANE, Crosby < Howe
McDavid top 10 fs
I still think stevie Y was done dirty, he was competing for the hart while playing most of his career against Gretzky and lemieux, other than that i agree with the list but if ovi is going to move up before retiring then just stick him at 8 for now
I wonder if Bobby Hull would have made it, if he never went to the WHA / WHA never existed. He had 604 goals at age 33, so he likely finishes 3rd in goals all time ahead of Gordie in that other timeline.
Also if you put in Hasek for that incredible 6 year peak, do you add Ken Dryden as well? Or players who had short but noteworthy careers, Orr makes it but Dryden doesn't? Sure, he's a bit of a nutjob and quit because winning was boring or whatever, but he's got to be the #2 goalie in skill. We're talking about greatest players, not players who played the longest. Dryden has almost as many shutouts as losses! Or is he getting punished for being on the best team ever assembled?
He was 23rd on my list still. Also Dryden was on a severely loaded team so it is tough to judge,
@@MikeBartner Right, but Orr was also on a severely loaded team (because Orr was on it lol) but it isn't like he was the only one there. If you replace Dryden with a random Chump Worsley, or better yet if BOSTON of all teams hadn't traded him to Montreal for 2 guys with no hockey-reference page, would he make it in then? Imagine that Boston team with Dryden there instead, and maybe they beat Philly. Random aside: Does any team even come close to the number of fantastic goalies that Montreal has had? I bet they lap the field.
Anyway, I understand your reasoning, just making the comment that a stacked team is stacked because of the players on it and they all benefit from each other, that's all.
wheres john scott
Another channel disrespecting 3 time Stanley cup champion Phil the thrill Kessel
The Connor Bedard disrespect is absurd
Bro does not know puck. Didnt even mention jake allen...
You can tell this kid wasn't even alive to watch most of these players play live.
Not having the Patrick Roy in the top 50 is criminal
He's legit in the top 20 lmfao
@@MikeBartner You didn’t show on insta or here
Richard not being top 10 is quite bad. First superstar (famous superstar, no disrespect to Morenz and others) he should 100% he ahead of lafleur and Esposito.
Also Edit: No Doug Harvey?????
How can you forget habs legend Tomáš Fleischmann
Where would you rank Sakic?
Below forsberg i hope
bro where is nail yakupov 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
Joe Malone disrespect is crazy.
Where is bobby mcmann
No nylander is insane
Wow the Ryan Reaves disrespect is crazy. What a joke
John Scott snubbed smh
Where’s the top 20 it’s not on ig or tt?
No goalie?!
Barzal not on the list?
U said every player in top 15 has at least 1 cup and then u have McDavid @ 14
Wayne is the best goal scorer of all time not even close ovi might not even break his record and ovi already has over 1500 more shots than Wayne still less goals also Wayne was pass first guy if he wanted to he could have scored 1000 goals
Wayne played in an era that was much easier to score in. Era adjusted stats already has Ovi ahead of Gretzky.
Where is lane Hutson😡
Wheres yzerman
McDavid should be higher lol
Jagr too low!
Would guys like Maurice Richard and Gordie Howe even be good in todays era or would they just be some mid bottom 6 Ahl forwards😂
If they had todays training then yes. Otherwise ofcourse not
Without a doubt!
Also I think Patrick Roy is a but overrated. I don't even think he's top 50 all time. I know stats aren't everything but he had worse career save percentage than Mike Smith. He also was surrounded by hall of fame players his whole career on Montreal and Colorado.
Roy dragged two Habs teams to the cup and revolutionised goaltending as we know it by perfecting the butterfly style. Some of his early stats don't seem as good but that's just because it was the 80s, and he was at one point the only goalie in the league with a save percentage above .900. I understand if he isn't the greatest goalie of all time but just for how much he changed the game while still being so good he deserves a high spot.
Facts
New to hockey, are you?
fuck no, read the whole thing
Agree a lot with your list, but you can not have such top 15 without players from the USA…. The third strongest country of Hockey history. And I’m from Mtl. P. Kane ou Leech would be my guy. I admit it’s hard to say who to drop…. Hasek…. Goalies deserve their own list…. and Roy is on top brother.
Guy Lafleur is overrated. Adjusting for era, he ranks 63rd in adjusted points. Lmao... having Jagr at 10th? When he left for the KHL for multiple years and still managed to be 2nd all time in scoring. Sad
Also Hasek is top 5 all time
This channel is an embarrassment didn’t even mention the best defenseman of all time which is obviously Mario Ferraro
LMFFFFAOOOOO
Jaromir jagr is 100 times better than crosby he is 2th in all time points while crosby is 10th not having jagr in top 5 is insane
@@pipoj5 Average flyers fan IQ. Jagr has also played like 500 more games. Crosby has a higher points per game, has been better defensively, has had more team success, more awards and his prime was in a much lower scoring era than Jagrs prime. It’s really not a debate.
@@mcj44 you talk like Jaromir jagr playing insane amount of games is a bad thing when it just shows how good he is also his +/- is over 100 better than crosbys on top of having more goals and assist
@@pipoj5 You act like Crosby doesn’t have insane longevity. Guy just had 40 goals 94 points at age 36 while having a terrible powerplay. And again, Crosby points per game is much better. Also using +\- instantly invalidates your argument.
@@mcj44 jagr is 52 and still playing in a top tier hockey league and +/- is a good stat becouse its about both defence and offence when most stats are just about one of the two
@@pipoj5 Jagr played in the NHL until he was 48 and he bounced around in the end. Crosby is still a top 10 player at age 36. Again, better defence more points more awards more cups harder era. It’s not even close lol
WHERES ROMANOV ????
Oh.... He's too good for this list. 👍
Norris season loading
@@MikeBartner loaded* bro is a lock for the Hart and vezina