Wow! Thanks for the idea, I didn’t know that was possible and just what I’m facing on a 1910 Seth Thomas movement that is badly worn. Bushed several pivot holes, and just hated having to leave the arbor pivots worn like that, but don’t have the stuff to fix them. Now If I can get them to rotate I’m good, thanks so much. Good to see a young guy doing these repairs. I gotta tell you having that many clocks to work on would make me lose my mind, good job keeping organized. God Bless, Eric.
Thank you for the great video. It is a wonderful blessing. Great help for someone like me who is inexperienced, but enjoyed clocks as a hobby. Hope to fine more of your videos.
Well I got them to rotate to the opposite side with some vise grips. Kinda buggered em up but and had to file the chew marks, not nearly as good as your pliers but got it done. I used a black magic marker to show where to rotate to. Thanks again for the knowledge, really saved me on this clock. Now its ready for assembly.
Fixes like this seem to animate some amongst the repair community.. but if you consider with a different perspective (as a colleague once reminded me) if it kept the clock from getting tossed into the trash.. so be it. I myself pondered, who would punch a brass plate next to the pivot hole to squish the brass in the direction of ware? Well, perhaps they didn't have the proper tools or possibly it just was a popular idea at the time, who knows... it most likely saved the clock from the scrap pile. I have flipped bushings around on wood plate movements a time or two, they're long and only half is worn and ready made replacements just weren't available. Now equipped w/ a lathe it's an opportunity to play. I've learned from previous clever repairs and put them in my tool belt (so to speak) just as I have done with yours. I suppose for the purpose of the video Chris you took it apart, would that have not been necessary otherwise? Thanks for taking the time to share your idea, good or bad it's how we all learn from one another. Jim
Great top Chris. I am doing an Enfield Westminster. The time only spring is open. No cuts in the plate to let it out. Not sure if the winding arbor is going to come out. Help.
wow , great trick!👍👍 I have a wind up , Navy clock , in closet, has not been attended to in years! it was my pleasure to wind it weekly, & not forget!! I certainly hope u pressed a bushing in there, after filming this , LOL! nice piece! 2:19 - See , here is where I would be screaming bloody murder, cuz , that takes more strength than ur thinking!
Thanks! They are actually not vice grips. They are parallel pliers made by Bernard. They are the ultimate in gripping anything. Super high quality tool. It has an amazing cutter on the back side too.
Well, yes, you CAN do that if there is a bushing in place as opposed to a hole in the brass plate itself acting as the bushing. But, to paraphrase Dr Ian Malcom, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD! Frankly, as a restorer of antique clocks in private collections and museums for many years, I don't think this should even be mentioned as technique. It's a bodge, not a repair. Replacing a bushing is pretty easy with just a tiny bit of instruction about how to ensure the new hole for the bushing is centered.
I agree with you. This is not how I repair clocks. However, for a hobbyist working on his own clock at home; this is something he can do to get his clock running if he doesn't have other more professional means.
chris the pliers vise you used are what type/model/make? Also, dumb general question as all pivot holes in a brass plate seem to wear and get rebushed with steel, why did they not bush the plates with steel in the first place? And do you know of any clock movements that are bushed with steel from new? Thanks again for your video.
See my reply on earlier comment for the pliers. In terms of bushings, I use brass ones. Steel would likely wear out the pivots. Also thats like asking why don’t they build roads that last for 100 years! Who knows?
For various reasons, a bearing (bushing) is made of a different material from the shaft that it supports. The material for the bearing is softer and usually a bi-metal or tri-metal alloy. The softer bearing will allow particles that cause wear to embed within the surface of the bearing and become covered. Steel on steel would wear much faster than steel on brass, which is made of copper and zinc. Automobile engines have bearing inserts of softer material (babbit, copper-lead, almuminum) that separate the steel in the block, crankshaft and connecting rods. It's a basic engineering principle that the materials are different.
There are clocks with steel plates, no brass bushings. It's Korean. First one I started on. Plates were brass plated. Plating came off in the cleaner. (Maybe brass lacquer? ) Well, steel plates and steel pivots wore away both. I hope to repair it someday. I've been told to junk it. I look at it as a challenge-in the future.
I used a piece of plastic from blister pack, and jammed in the spot it was wearing against, fixed without taking the clock apart. Keeps perfect time after 3 years.
What a bloody joke you are. The hole need's to be re-bushed and the arbor will need to be looked at to see if it is worn, if so lather work will be needed.
Wow! Thanks for the idea, I didn’t know that was possible and just what I’m facing on a 1910 Seth Thomas movement that is badly worn. Bushed several pivot holes, and just hated having to leave the arbor pivots worn like that, but don’t have the stuff to fix them. Now If I can get them to rotate I’m good, thanks so much. Good to see a young guy doing these repairs. I gotta tell you having that many clocks to work on would make me lose my mind, good job keeping organized. God Bless, Eric.
I find it very useful and time saving. I’m glad you found my video!
Thank you for the great video. It is a wonderful blessing. Great help for someone like me who is inexperienced, but enjoyed clocks as a hobby. Hope to fine more of your videos.
Well I got them to rotate to the opposite side with some vise grips. Kinda buggered em up but and had to file the chew marks, not nearly as good as your pliers but got it done. I used a black magic marker to show where to rotate to. Thanks again for the knowledge, really saved me on this clock. Now its ready for assembly.
Way to go. Yes, vise grips really don’t work as well, but glad to hear it helped.
Good idea! Clever.
I did almost the same thing with the axle bushings on my snowblower. Chain drive is on one side causing more wear, so I swapped the bushings.
Fixes like this seem to animate some amongst the repair community.. but if you consider with a different perspective (as a colleague once reminded me) if it kept the clock from getting tossed into the trash.. so be it. I myself pondered, who would punch a brass plate next to the pivot hole to squish the brass in the direction of ware? Well, perhaps they didn't have the proper tools or possibly it just was a popular idea at the time, who knows... it most likely saved the clock from the scrap pile.
I have flipped bushings around on wood plate movements a time or two, they're long and only half is worn and ready made replacements just weren't available. Now equipped w/ a lathe it's an opportunity to play.
I've learned from previous clever repairs and put them in my tool belt (so to speak) just as I have done with yours. I suppose for the purpose of the video Chris you took it apart, would that have not been necessary otherwise?
Thanks for taking the time to share your idea, good or bad it's how we all learn from one another.
Jim
I used to do that on my old cars doors..pull the pin and spin the bushing..
Nice.
Great top Chris. I am doing an Enfield Westminster. The time only spring is open. No cuts in the plate to let it out. Not sure if the winding arbor is going to come out. Help.
wow , great trick!👍👍
I have a wind up , Navy clock ,
in closet, has not been attended to in years! it was my pleasure to wind it weekly, & not forget!!
I certainly hope u pressed a bushing in there, after filming this , LOL! nice piece!
2:19 - See , here is where I would be screaming bloody murder, cuz , that takes more strength than ur thinking!
Great tip. Where did you get those style vice grips? They grab better than any that I have.
Thanks! They are actually not vice grips. They are parallel pliers made by Bernard. They are the ultimate in gripping anything. Super high quality tool. It has an amazing cutter on the back side too.
You're clever!
Thank you; however, it was not my idea originally.
Well, yes, you CAN do that if there is a bushing in place as opposed to a hole in the brass plate itself acting as the bushing. But, to paraphrase Dr Ian Malcom, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD! Frankly, as a restorer of antique clocks in private collections and museums for many years, I don't think this should even be mentioned as technique. It's a bodge, not a repair. Replacing a bushing is pretty easy with just a tiny bit of instruction about how to ensure the new hole for the bushing is centered.
I agree with you. This is not how I repair clocks. However, for a hobbyist working on his own clock at home; this is something he can do to get his clock running if he doesn't have other more professional means.
Why does the bushing look like a worn rubber gasket? Is that a special type of bushing? Other than that, this is great.
Thank you. The brass is just tarnished. Its a very old movement
chris the pliers vise you used are what type/model/make? Also, dumb general question as all pivot holes in a brass plate seem to wear and get rebushed with steel, why did they not bush the plates with steel in the first place? And do you know of any clock movements that are bushed with steel from new? Thanks again for your video.
See my reply on earlier comment for the pliers. In terms of bushings, I use brass ones. Steel would likely wear out the pivots. Also thats like asking why don’t they build roads that last for 100 years! Who knows?
For various reasons, a bearing (bushing) is made of a different material from the shaft that it supports. The material for the bearing is softer and usually a bi-metal or tri-metal alloy. The softer bearing will allow particles that cause wear to embed within the surface of the bearing and become covered. Steel on steel would wear much faster than steel on brass, which is made of copper and zinc. Automobile engines have bearing inserts of softer material (babbit, copper-lead, almuminum) that separate the steel in the block, crankshaft and connecting rods. It's a basic engineering principle that the materials are different.
There are clocks with steel plates, no brass bushings. It's Korean. First one I started on. Plates were brass plated. Plating came off in the cleaner. (Maybe brass lacquer? ) Well, steel plates and steel pivots wore away both. I hope to repair it someday. I've been told to junk it. I look at it as a challenge-in the future.
I used a piece of plastic from blister pack, and jammed in the spot it was wearing against, fixed without taking the clock apart. Keeps perfect time after 3 years.
The real test is “is it workable?” And it sounds like it is.
Das ist Pfusch...
What a bloody joke you are. The hole need's to be re-bushed and the arbor will need to be looked at to see if it is worn, if so lather work will be needed.
Sounds like Stanley is jealous
@@curtklemenz4783 Stanley is certainly rude ... and coarse.