The Courier can complete the Yes Man ending because they're a wildcard, whereas House is aware of Benny's motives. Even if Benny infiltrates Caesars Legion and gets the platinum chip online, House knows he wants to usurp him and can easily stop him
Deceitful people rarely have the ability to trust others. In Benny's case he had so many ways to succeed, working with House long enough to access the Lucky 38, aligning with other factions like the NCR temporarily to fight against House, even employing the courier. He failed and would have always failed because he backstabs everyone that could have been useful to him.
The cut content really would have hammered that point home too: Even if you had freed him, he still can't comprehend being a partner in a greater scheme....
Sort of like the Chinese warrior Lu Bu, his passion was swearing loyalty to someone, then backstabbing them, until his reputation finally caught up with him, and was executed while trying to offer his loyalty again
I love the fact that Benny was discovered in the fort simply because he didn’t (or refused to) mess up his hair, a funny way to show a fatal flaw he had
Very interesting analysis of Benny's chances, and I have to agree that there was probably no likely scenario of him coming out on top. But I also think there's a point that gets glossed over - the Courier screwed up Benny's time-table by confronting him. We don't actually know how or when he intended on using the platinum chip, and it seems likely that his failed attempt at infiltrating the Legion's basecamp was a very half-baked Plan B. One possible theory; Benny was waiting for the battle of Hoover Dam to make his move, when he would have the best chance of catching House off-guard and assassinating him, and that the Legion basecamp would be cleared out with Cesar either dead (from his brain tumor) or moved somewhere else. Then it wouldn't matter who won at Hooveer Dam, as the upgraded Securitons would mop up the victors.
9:30 I think game always strongly implied that Yes-Man ending is an anarchist ending. Especially negative karma version, it basically say's: "Courier is a giant dick and he wants to see world burn".
@@momino9024 It's definitely an Anarchistic ending to things. How badly and what form it takes however are up to the player's choices and morality. Another factor in play is Yes Man becoming more assertive can be interpreted to mean more independent and perhaps dictatorial. It has more ambiguity then the other endings which makes sense it's literally called the Wild Card questline and No Gods No Masters ending. But it also has just as much room to degrade or improve as the other three endings. We see both the pros and cons of Mr House and NCR endings. Then the Legion has two forms of oppression to choose from and whether or not they'll actually be able to take the West. The Brotherhood has multiple fates within the region and without. The whole point is seemingly to leave the player with multiple interpretations and keep some mystery alive. Anyways even in worst case scenario of full scale anarchy of the entire Mojave area being fragmented and conflict rising...I have to ask is that inherently wrong? That seems to be the Natural state of the Wasteland. The series provides multiple examples of Humanity trying to build civilization only to make things worse not better. The entire reason the Wasteland even exists is the end result and radical extremism of the American Way of Life. Capitalism and Hierarchy that Mr House and the NCR support...Failed. Communism and Totalitarianism that the Legion has...Failed. Anarchy or Machine Rule might in fact be the legitimate progression of the Fallout world. It's something to consider at least.
If Mr House already knew that Benny was plotting against them I couldn't imagine a better time for him to think that Benny would make his move then during the chaos of the second Battle of Hoover dam no way it would work at least not smoothly
Benny's biggest problem is that when a lady courior shows up and wants to get it on and *not* murder him, he's like "I'm going to go to the fort by myself" instead of "I should ask this crazy dame to go to the fort for me".
@@Reipilled29 if you play as a female character you can have sex with Benny. The original comment is saying that he could've used the Courier to get into the fort with her Mark of Caesar which allowed the Courier free access coming and going to the fort AND free walking around. As the video points out until you get to the rank of Frumentarii (or however you.spell it) you're pretty much under other officers and don't really get too much freedom of movement. But even they have to answer to the boss and the Legates like Lannius
@@Reipilled29 , There is the possibility of forgiving Benny, it leads to the same 'captured by Caesar' outcome. Once more showing that the character of Benny will never form alliances, and that is what kills him.
Now I wish we got the option to tell Benny at the fort: "Well well well, Looks like the game was rigged from the start." Maybe even make it a unique option if you have his pistol.
Benny is definitely the most ballsy NPC in the game. Honestly he probably could have won if he could just get into House's doors, even if only for a little bit before a different power knocked him down. Shame to hear about that cut content, you spend the first half of the game wondering who the hell this man is only to kill him shortly after then never thinking of him again for the rest.
The Cut Content wasn't really much, the files are still in the game. It was basicly just a karma ambush from Fallout 3, but with Benny and some hitmen, and he says something like "You ruined everything you fink bastard!"
My favorite gunfighter quote is "keep shooting until the target changes shape or catches fire." This mostly refers to fighter planes and tanks, but it still applies. It highlights the idea that even if you hit your target, it doesn't mean they're dead. But to be fair, Benny wasn't counting on a rogue robot scooping the couriers body out of the grave and taking them to the nearby doctor who just so happens to be a competent brain surgeon.
The return of the Courier from the grave is the monkey wrench in Benny’s plan. Benny had been planning to get Yes Man into the Lucky 38 probably by storming the place one day through the tunnel He was having dug between the Tops and the Lucky 38. The arrival of the Courier in the tops forces Benny out of desperation to try infiltrate the Fort prematurely. If the courier had stayed dead, Benny would have waited possibly for months till the tunnel was complete, stormed the lucky 38 via the basement, killed MrHouse, installed Yes Man, then gone to the Fort…….. where he probably would have gotten captured anyway because of the hair thing you mentioned. He wouldn’t have trusted anybody else to take the platinum chip and he was too dumb to pull the mission off by himself.
He probably would have used the cover of the Battle of Hoover Dam as a chance to strike at the camp using mercenaries. Once they and House were both dealt with there might have been a slim chance Benny could have at least gained control of the Securitrons. Its just hard to imagine him holding control for long.
@@GamingKeenBeaner I don’t know what mercenaries Benny could trust? Fiends Vipers Powder Gangers? The Khans won’t work with him again. Benny didn’t even tell any of the other Chairmen about his plan. Trying to infiltrate the Camp, in a Legionary disguise with the platinum chip up his butt, after Yes-Man had been installed, and the El Dorado substation rerouted, while the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam is going on, probably would have been Benny’s best chance. Soooooo many what if’s there i just doubt Benny could have pulled it off…
Umm he was also digging in the wrong direction lmao...if you use the free camera you can get down to his tunnel totally going the opposite direction...dumb unfortunate Benny
To be fair to Benny, the Courier showing up and confronting him messed up his plans. His timetable was cut short, and he had to make a last minute escape and plan. If he wasn't inturupted, things could have gone differently
He'd still need to somehow take out Mr. House. We really have no way of knowing how he'd do that. The doors never open for anyone into the Lucky 38 till the player shows up.
Benny isn't strong enough to take out House's internal security. It would be even worse if he upgraded the securitron army. He'd have to go in with dozens of pulse grenades to stand a remote chance.
IDK, as pointed out in the video, the two biggest hurdles were the Securitron upgrades and House himself, I dont know what his "perfect" timetable would have been, but I still cant see him completing the latter, and even then, the former would still go wrong, as mentioned in the video. Benny's biggest problem was that he was to confident in his plan, a plan that sounded workable, but required far more skill, guile, and subterfuge... and perhaps quite a bit of luck... then what he had.
@@Dhips. it stands to reason, that if the player doesn't exist/show up, House would still want a man on the outside, and without the player around, Benny fits into that niche
Benny thought he can just sweettalk Caesar like he tried with everyone else, including the player when meeting him in The Tops. He dared a gamble he could not calculate the risk of and got himself killed in the process.
"Having to pay NCR taxes might be a lot worse" I mean, I've had some run ins with the tax authorities, but they've never attempted to literally crucify me...
I'm laughing at the idea of Doc Mitchell stitching together a horrific meat man, stuffing it in his old vault suit, and shoving it out the door to go meet the locals.
There's obviously a second entrance to the Securitron vault since there is a literal army of securitrons in there, and I don't think the bunker was designed for the securitrons to just roll up the stairs. So Benny would be easily able to make his exit without the Legion noticing.
Benny has basically always been my favourite character in FNV and it's such a shame you only get to meet him a couple times. Adding some sort of route where the two of you manage to come to an agreement and you end up partially in control of the Tops would have been a pretty cool idea for the Yes Man route I think
Benny could possibly use the platinum chip as a ransom demanding to enter the Lucky 38 to give Mr. House the chip himself. It'd be very risky for him though. Perhaps he could use a couple pulse grenades like his people used against a securitron to create Yes Man.
Hmm.. Yeah but even if house went for that, I would bet he would have benny searched for any weapon he might carry. And he would have a Ton of securitrons on site. So even if benny got in. I doubt he would be able to really get to house
i recently purchased this game and played it (i ran through the game years ago but wasn't really into the story because of lack of proper english understanding) but DAMN man this is hands down one of the best when it comes to story telling and NPC dialogue, i mean i could stand all day listening to what these NPCs trying to say or tell a story of their past, spectacular dialogue, voice acting and atmosphere even now for a 10+ years old game, great video by the way.
To be fair to Benny, going to the Legion camp first was a panicked response to the courier. In this scenario he would have stayed at the tops and worked on getting into House's casino.
But there's a problem, Mr. House knows, it's a matter of time before he sent a killer squad to return the chip even if he has to kill everyone at the tops.
@@mado-wh4jv Oh absolutely, it would likely not have worked, just pointing out that his 'run to the legion' idea wasn't actually a part of his plan, just a reaction to circumstances.
Dude his plan is literally falling apart when you show up without courier intervention House is a Deadman counting down the days till the Legion or NCR forced their way into the Lucky 38
@@terribleduelist4433 but that's just it. He has a plan for the future. More than can be said for anyone else. Also I can tell you've never done a house playthrough because house specifically states that he provides the balance of power and that if the NCR or legion wastes troops attacking him/vegas the other will be able to easily swoop in and finish the other so what u described really wouldn't happen unless the NCR or legion fully won already in which case house would've been dead already so when you consider that ur argument really falls apart
@@diffsnicker6570 I don't trust a word house says to the player because he only trusts the player because he thinks they're dumber than and easier to manipulate than Benny and he's right
Okay, there's one minor problem here, and that's Benny coming back to kill the Courier after being freed. This is likely cut content for a reason, as it doesn't make much sense for Benny to try and take on somebody who just solo'd Fortification Hill. Also, no cut-content is "canonical" no matter how well it may have fitted into the game.
Honestly Benny was pretty damn stupid and narcissistic. I could totally buy that his ego would be big enough to think he actually at a shot at taking out the courier.
And to add salt to the wound, Mr.House tells the Courier that had Benny not shot them, *he'd* have been the one doing all those tasks he asks the Courier to do. This would've let Benny do the Yes Man ending, by: Following houses plan till after the securitrons in the fort are active, (house would presumably have a different method for this that wouldn't lead to Benny's death), then kill house, and just follow the Yes Man ending. If Benny hadn't (tried to) killed the Courier, he would've succeeded in his goal.
Its ironic that Benny says the odds are rigged against the Courier before shooting him, when in reality, putting those two bullets into the Courier rigged the odds against him.
This is well done, brilliant work, well in depth, theirs no way Beni could rule for all the points you've raised, he just wouldn't be able to get the support even if by a miracle he makes it back to Vegas, and whats stopping house from just overriding Benis command? Delusional at best!
R.i.p. Matthew Perry. A huge Fallout fan and he will be missed by all. Thank you for this amazing performance and you have forever become part of Fallout now.
Maybe that's why the White Glove society gave him the heebie jeebies (cannibalism aside). They were a mirror into the dark nature of his own ego, narcissism and arrogance.
In the scenario where Benny, somehow, gains control of the Securitrons and uses them to wipe out the Legion in The Fort, you claim that the Second Battle for Hooover Dam probably wouldn't happen. Yet if the courier wipes out The Fort and kills Caesar, Lanius still attacks Hoover Dam and is unwilling to surrender without a maximum Speech check. I see no reason why the attack wouldn't happen if Benny and his new Securitron army are the ones to destroy The Fort instead. That is Benny's best chance for rule Vegas. The Legion under Lanius is going to attack Hoover Dam regardless. The NCR is going to take a great number of casualties and maybe even lose control of the dam. The NCR and Legion will be at each other's throats and in their weakened condition, Benny can either make a deal to secure Vegas's independence or, if both sides are weak enough wipe them both off the map and use the Securitrons to secure the Mojave. With a sufficient show of force and an army of military-grade robots, the other families will follow orders, at least for a while. The Brotherhood of Steel is doomed under the leadership of McNamara who seems to have a "Wait & See"" attitude and won't even send Knights to find air filters for the bunker. The Boomers _could_ be convinced to join Vegas under the right circumstances. You even say this in the video. The Great Khans aren't much of a factor, especially if they get wiped out helping Lanius during the battle for the dam. Like Benny himself says, it's a longshot. But it's not impossible.
benny's plan was pretty much a "oh crap, i almost got killed by the guy i tried to kill! i gotta run to the fort to hand the securitron army to mr house on a silver platter. what could go wrong?" he should've waited with this plan until the player kills mr house, but that would require the quest to be reworked.
He could have literaly just gotten a hold of their very common legionary helmets...almost seems like a big oversight on his end that he didnt. And the fact he made such a simple oversight should say even if he hadnt made that one he probably made plenty others..
Benny had a good plan going for him. But the problem was, he was too paranoid and too much of a coward to enact them. He was making enemies more than making friends. He ditched the Khans to save his skin, and threw the rest of his fellow Chairmen under the bus for his selfish delusions.
The thing is that the independent route either way leads to a hollow shell of a nation that spans a single city because unless the courier uses the production facilities at the big empty, there’s no way to produce more securitrons which would be a finite military and civilian assets. Let’s assume that House has a production facility under the lucky 38 then there’s the issue of material and logistics. Especially if their in game behavior is anything to go by they have a habit of damaging each other in the process of random civilians damage that would need to be repaired. Only two options would be viable, use them exclusively for military deployment or produce ones that only use the MK one system. With that the best case is that eventually once the NCR goes for expansion they suffer a Pyrrhic victory. Meaning that they will barely win but will almost be decimated.
Lmao that’s the only reason I still play these old games I don’t care how good the story is if it hurts my eyes to look at I’m not going to play it for an extended period of time
I think one point that's missing & I think it's a weak point in the writing too. Benny ultimately screwed up by ambushing the courier in the first place. Mr. House wanted to have the chip delivered so he can have the army upgraded, which was already Benny's goal. There was no need for him to intercept the courier & put himself in harms way by 1. Showing his hand to House 2. Trying to sneak into the fort to install it himself. He could've waited until House hired a spy to install the chip. After that he could've waited for the right time to spring on House. (Edit, I don't think he'd be successful in killing House though)
If House upgraded his securitrons and released the army of them from the fort, Benny may have felt too afraid to make a move. Even inside the casino, House himself is very well-guarded. His personal securitron guard force is formidable and Benny would have needed a serious attack force to take them down even if he snuck in to the casino itself. Benny isn't much of a leader or a warrior, so getting past all that would be tough. If they were already upgraded it would be even worse.
@@GamingKeenBeaner I should've clarified that I don't think Benny would be successful in assassinating him, I was just saying him upgrading the army was a redundant part of his plan, since House was gonna do it anyways. Either way Benny is an idiot tbh. Even if he were the one to take the chip & upgrade the army, he would still have no control over them even if he somehow miraculously escaped from the fort. He would have to go into hiding from House. Sure, the robot army isn't activated until the battle of hoover dam. (House wants both NCR & Legion to weaken each other first). But the ones on the strip are still upgraded & mean. Realistically I don't see Benny succeeding in anyway. If he doesn't ambush the courier & House gets the chip + the army upgrade, all House has to do is close the Lucky 38 doors forever. If Benny does get through, House just shuts off the elevator power.. If Benny does ambush the courier, he shows his hand to House, & has to somehow sneak past Legion, upgrade the army, then sneak out...but then he still has no control over the army.
Actually I forgot about the tunnel that Benny was having dug from the tops to the 38. In which case it IS kind of weird that he went after the chip. He’s too big brained for me
My headcannon is that mr house was using benny and the courier. I mean the yesman reprograming himself i think is just mr house takimg control. They think the same way about factions and why wouldnt he juat become mr house since hes a robco ai surrounded by mr houses everything prettt much
This guy is a gambler, so he made his moves are good but how he plays is bad by timing and his luck is always against him so The Gambler should have read people faces and knowing the cards first and he has no aces in his hand, and he should have drink his last swallow his drink and his deal is done, maybe he should have fold because the Courier 6 has a full House.
One caveat: I *_highly_* doubt the demoralized NCR troops would be eager to take on an army of rocket firing robots that just obliterated Caesar and the Fort, winning the war for them in a day where they've been struggling for 5 years. I just can't see that at all.
Benny's plan in theory was sound, but that's just it. In theory. Benny didn't know House was onto him. If he had, I doubt he would've shot the Courier. Additionally, Benny never would've gotten CLOSE to the Lucky 38, much less have the red carpet rolled out for him like we did. That's literally the only reason we can do the Yes Man ending.
I dont think his plan was ever to take on the fort by himself but rather come up with a plan. The couriers sudden arrival at the tops forced him to make a leap of faith as he could no longer stay in New Vegas at that point.
You fail to understand something about military dictatorships with uncertain successors. Every single potential successor starts clambering for legitimacy. You can see it throughout history. Alexander the Great's generals started civil war immediately upon his death, Genghis Khan's Khanate shattered, and after Julius Caesar was assassinated every senator and general started fighting each other to catch his murderers. So, since Lanius isn't a stupid man, he's going to realize that his best bet to hold most of the legion together is to avenge Caesar, and kill as much of the competition as possible. And throwing disloyal legionnaires and Legates into the Strip and the NCR kills two birds with one stone. So, assuming Benny burns the Camp to the ground, it's almost guaranteed that Lanius or some other Legate is going to invade to legitimize their rule
My main theory for both the fallout and the elder scrolls games is that the main character doesn't exist, I think of the main character in each game as the same entity even though they're canonically separate, it's like Heracles having done so many things in his life even though there's a chance he never existed, the accomplishments of all are looped into one man because a person is easier to relate to than a large group of people, and to further my theory, each faction has someone who would logically take your place to if you hadn't shown up
Whay on earth is wrong with Benny's face in this video? I've killed Benny dozens of times and he has more of a baby face then that I know it, I'm not crazy XD.
Idk, by the time you've show up in the casino, Benny already has hacked securitron running, so I'd say his chances of succeeding were pretty high. Botched infiltration aside, he had done everything right.
Very good video, however I disagree with one point, it is made clear in the game (i don't remember where, i could be wrong) that even with the death of ceasar (if the courrier wipe the camp) it won't change anything because lanius is the general, and that the legion still fight at the dam
I think Benny would have had better luck using the chip to arrange/force a meeting in the Lucky 38. House didn't think twice about letting the Courier walk in. House was also pretty desperate to get his own plans off the ground, so I think he'd hope for an easy payoff for Benny, same as the Courier. Once inside, if he could bear to holster Maria in favor of a shotgun with EMP slugs, I think even Benny could take House's security. If nothing else he could light up the Stealthboy and potentially hide out in the casino or hack his way through to House for tee time.
Wait I just thought of this, why did Benny not just shoot the courier and run? Nobody would have suspected a thing out in the wasteland. And it’s more trouble to bury him while doing so he makes himself a target to someone else
The Courier can complete the Yes Man ending because they're a wildcard, whereas House is aware of Benny's motives. Even if Benny infiltrates Caesars Legion and gets the platinum chip online, House knows he wants to usurp him and can easily stop him
He also knows he's dogshit in a fight
The joys of being an computer i suppose
He could just open the security door and send out the sentry bots and protectrons
@@docsorrows1088 But he would never do that for the exact same reasons why he didn’t do that to the omertas
And that's why the house always wins... well atleast until a glorified mailman comes past with lead in his head >_
Deceitful people rarely have the ability to trust others. In Benny's case he had so many ways to succeed, working with House long enough to access the Lucky 38, aligning with other factions like the NCR temporarily to fight against House, even employing the courier. He failed and would have always failed because he backstabs everyone that could have been useful to him.
I heard that he was partially based on Bugsy Siegel a gangster that was killed for his lack of loyalty (aka not paying his off his loans)
He reminds me of Dimitri Rascalov, who constantly betrays anyone who he's been in contact with since he cares so much about survival of the fittest.
Literally House says he woulda made Benny his protege, he wouldn't even have needed to betray House to take control of the Strip
The cut content really would have hammered that point home too:
Even if you had freed him, he still can't comprehend being a partner in a greater scheme....
Sort of like the Chinese warrior Lu Bu, his passion was swearing loyalty to someone, then backstabbing them, until his reputation finally caught up with him, and was executed while trying to offer his loyalty again
I love the fact that Benny was discovered in the fort simply because he didn’t (or refused to) mess up his hair, a funny way to show a fatal flaw he had
Is that actual canon or just assumed because his character model can't change?
@@BlakeFerret Its in the canon, Caesar himself states that's the one reason why they caught him.
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Very interesting analysis of Benny's chances, and I have to agree that there was probably no likely scenario of him coming out on top. But I also think there's a point that gets glossed over - the Courier screwed up Benny's time-table by confronting him. We don't actually know how or when he intended on using the platinum chip, and it seems likely that his failed attempt at infiltrating the Legion's basecamp was a very half-baked Plan B.
One possible theory; Benny was waiting for the battle of Hoover Dam to make his move, when he would have the best chance of catching House off-guard and assassinating him, and that the Legion basecamp would be cleared out with Cesar either dead (from his brain tumor) or moved somewhere else. Then it wouldn't matter who won at Hooveer Dam, as the upgraded Securitons would mop up the victors.
9:30 I think game always strongly implied that Yes-Man ending is an anarchist ending. Especially negative karma version, it basically say's: "Courier is a giant dick and he wants to see world burn".
And how would Benny know of the brain tumor? Really coping here.
@@dont259 i dont think the comment said he knew about the tumor
@@momino9024 It's definitely an Anarchistic ending to things. How badly and what form it takes however are up to the player's choices and morality. Another factor in play is Yes Man becoming more assertive can be interpreted to mean more independent and perhaps dictatorial. It has more ambiguity then the other endings which makes sense it's literally called the Wild Card questline and No Gods No Masters ending.
But it also has just as much room to degrade or improve as the other three endings. We see both the pros and cons of Mr House and NCR endings. Then the Legion has two forms of oppression to choose from and whether or not they'll actually be able to take the West. The Brotherhood has multiple fates within the region and without. The whole point is seemingly to leave the player with multiple interpretations and keep some mystery alive.
Anyways even in worst case scenario of full scale anarchy of the entire Mojave area being fragmented and conflict rising...I have to ask is that inherently wrong? That seems to be the Natural state of the Wasteland. The series provides multiple examples of Humanity trying to build civilization only to make things worse not better. The entire reason the Wasteland even exists is the end result and radical extremism of the American Way of Life. Capitalism and Hierarchy that Mr House and the NCR support...Failed. Communism and Totalitarianism that the Legion has...Failed. Anarchy or Machine Rule might in fact be the legitimate progression of the Fallout world. It's something to consider at least.
If Mr House already knew that Benny was plotting against them I couldn't imagine a better time for him to think that Benny would make his move then during the chaos of the second Battle of Hoover dam no way it would work at least not smoothly
Benny's biggest problem is that when a lady courior shows up and wants to get it on and *not* murder him, he's like "I'm going to go to the fort by myself" instead of "I should ask this crazy dame to go to the fort for me".
what?
Yeah the courier could’ve done Benny’s dirty work for him just like how the courier does everyone else’s dirty work.
@@wt4629 A "Courier helps Benny become king" ending would have been funny
@@Reipilled29 if you play as a female character you can have sex with Benny.
The original comment is saying that he could've used the Courier to get into the fort with her Mark of Caesar which allowed the Courier free access coming and going to the fort AND free walking around.
As the video points out until you get to the rank of Frumentarii (or however you.spell it) you're pretty much under other officers and don't really get too much freedom of movement. But even they have to answer to the boss and the Legates like Lannius
@@Reipilled29 ,
There is the possibility of forgiving Benny, it leads to the same 'captured by Caesar' outcome.
Once more showing that the character of Benny will never form alliances, and that is what kills him.
Now I wish we got the option to tell Benny at the fort: "Well well well, Looks like the game was rigged from the start."
Maybe even make it a unique option if you have his pistol.
From where you're kneeling, it looks like you've hit an 18 karat streak of bad luck. Truth is the game was rigged from the start.
I'm more sad about the actual cut line:
"Hey Benny, special delivery! "
Benny is definitely the most ballsy NPC in the game. Honestly he probably could have won if he could just get into House's doors, even if only for a little bit before a different power knocked him down. Shame to hear about that cut content, you spend the first half of the game wondering who the hell this man is only to kill him shortly after then never thinking of him again for the rest.
The Cut Content wasn't really much, the files are still in the game. It was basicly just a karma ambush from Fallout 3, but with Benny and some hitmen, and he says something like "You ruined everything you fink bastard!"
Poor Benny. He just didn’t shoot too straight in life.
@Vermouth True lol
Next time he should aim for the middle though
he hit what he was aiming for, next time he should have brought a better caliber
My favorite gunfighter quote is "keep shooting until the target changes shape or catches fire." This mostly refers to fighter planes and tanks, but it still applies.
It highlights the idea that even if you hit your target, it doesn't mean they're dead.
But to be fair, Benny wasn't counting on a rogue robot scooping the couriers body out of the grave and taking them to the nearby doctor who just so happens to be a competent brain surgeon.
Hey may not have killed people the same way the Khans did... but he was still a fink
Essentially, Benny leads us to a treasure that he cannot posses.
The return of the Courier from the grave is the monkey wrench in Benny’s plan. Benny had been planning to get Yes Man into the Lucky 38 probably by storming the place one day through the tunnel He was having dug between the Tops and the Lucky 38. The arrival of the Courier in the tops forces Benny out of desperation to try infiltrate the Fort prematurely. If the courier had stayed dead, Benny would have waited possibly for months till the tunnel was complete, stormed the lucky 38 via the basement, killed MrHouse, installed Yes Man, then gone to the Fort…….. where he probably would have gotten captured anyway because of the hair thing you mentioned. He wouldn’t have trusted anybody else to take the platinum chip and he was too dumb to pull the mission off by himself.
He probably would have used the cover of the Battle of Hoover Dam as a chance to strike at the camp using mercenaries. Once they and House were both dealt with there might have been a slim chance Benny could have at least gained control of the Securitrons. Its just hard to imagine him holding control for long.
@@GamingKeenBeaner I don’t know what mercenaries Benny could trust? Fiends Vipers Powder Gangers? The Khans won’t work with him again. Benny didn’t even tell any of the other Chairmen about his plan. Trying to infiltrate the Camp, in a Legionary disguise with the platinum chip up his butt, after Yes-Man had been installed, and the El Dorado substation rerouted, while the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam is going on, probably would have been Benny’s best chance. Soooooo many what if’s there i just doubt Benny could have pulled it off…
@@chrisamon4551 He definitely would have had a hard time putting a crew together for sure. Benny doesn't have the personality of a real leader
Umm he was also digging in the wrong direction lmao...if you use the free camera you can get down to his tunnel totally going the opposite direction...dumb unfortunate Benny
@@jamatth52 huh! I didn’t know that! The poor fool…
To be fair to Benny, the Courier showing up and confronting him messed up his plans. His timetable was cut short, and he had to make a last minute escape and plan. If he wasn't inturupted, things could have gone differently
Things would have gone smooth, like smooth little babies...
He'd still need to somehow take out Mr. House. We really have no way of knowing how he'd do that. The doors never open for anyone into the Lucky 38 till the player shows up.
Benny isn't strong enough to take out House's internal security. It would be even worse if he upgraded the securitron army. He'd have to go in with dozens of pulse grenades to stand a remote chance.
IDK, as pointed out in the video, the two biggest hurdles were the Securitron upgrades and House himself, I dont know what his "perfect" timetable would have been, but I still cant see him completing the latter, and even then, the former would still go wrong, as mentioned in the video.
Benny's biggest problem was that he was to confident in his plan, a plan that sounded workable, but required far more skill, guile, and subterfuge... and perhaps quite a bit of luck... then what he had.
@@Dhips. it stands to reason, that if the player doesn't exist/show up, House would still want a man on the outside, and without the player around, Benny fits into that niche
Benny thought he can just sweettalk Caesar like he tried with everyone else, including the player when meeting him in The Tops.
He dared a gamble he could not calculate the risk of and got himself killed in the process.
He doesn't necessarily die though
@@overlord5186 But his gamble never goes off the way he hoped for, not even CLOSE to success.
All he had to do was to cut his hair
*Get rid of that ol' Finky Ass haircut
And get into the Lucky 38 which he couldn't do.
Or wear a helmet
Or wear wig.
I mean even if he did cut his hair, no one is allowed in. The weather monitoring station so I doubt he could've snuck in
"Having to pay NCR taxes might be a lot worse"
I mean, I've had some run ins with the tax authorities, but they've never attempted to literally crucify me...
Not yet at least.
You just haven't gotten that far yet.
Try not paying them
No theyll just throw you In a cell to rot if you don't pay them or shoot you if you try to resist.
If Benny thought to take bloody mess, the whole story would have gone very differently.
If he was gay the story would have gone differently too
If he had gunrunner's arsenal installed it would've gone differently as well
I'm laughing at the idea of Doc Mitchell stitching together a horrific meat man, stuffing it in his old vault suit, and shoving it out the door to go meet the locals.
There's obviously a second entrance to the Securitron vault since there is a literal army of securitrons in there, and I don't think the bunker was designed for the securitrons to just roll up the stairs. So Benny would be easily able to make his exit without the Legion noticing.
Benny has basically always been my favourite character in FNV and it's such a shame you only get to meet him a couple times. Adding some sort of route where the two of you manage to come to an agreement and you end up partially in control of the Tops would have been a pretty cool idea for the Yes Man route I think
Benny could possibly use the platinum chip as a ransom demanding to enter the Lucky 38 to give Mr. House the chip himself. It'd be very risky for him though. Perhaps he could use a couple pulse grenades like his people used against a securitron to create Yes Man.
Hmm.. Yeah but even if house went for that, I would bet he would have benny searched for any weapon he might carry. And he would have a Ton of securitrons on site. So even if benny got in. I doubt he would be able to really get to house
Ring a ding ding baby
-What's your name, sweetheart?
-Chip.
-Chip, how are you doing Chip?
-Alright...
i recently purchased this game and played it (i ran through the game years ago but wasn't really into the story because of lack of proper english understanding) but DAMN man this is hands down one of the best when it comes to story telling and NPC dialogue, i mean i could stand all day listening to what these NPCs trying to say or tell a story of their past, spectacular dialogue, voice acting and atmosphere even now for a 10+ years old game, great video by the way.
"i could stand all day listening to what these NPCs trying to say"
-patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Its hard for me to play New Vegas, Freeside smells like shit.
@@zekun4741 we won't go without a fight. The legion can count on that
I love how New Vegas has new content +10 years after its release
A game that is almost like 12 years old still has people talking about it it's just amazing
But not really
@@vandagylon2885 oh yeah it is, there's so many other games that are as old as it that no one even mutters anymore
@@joshuagraham1800 well. The age doesn't really matter.
@@vandagylon2885what was your goal even
To be fair to Benny, going to the Legion camp first was a panicked response to the courier. In this scenario he would have stayed at the tops and worked on getting into House's casino.
But there's a problem, Mr. House knows, it's a matter of time before he sent a killer squad to return the chip even if he has to kill everyone at the tops.
@@mado-wh4jv Oh absolutely, it would likely not have worked, just pointing out that his 'run to the legion' idea wasn't actually a part of his plan, just a reaction to circumstances.
He also didnt expect being cruxified either.
The House Always Wins.
Dude his plan is literally falling apart when you show up without courier intervention House is a Deadman counting down the days till the Legion or NCR forced their way into the Lucky 38
@@terribleduelist4433 but that's just it. He has a plan for the future. More than can be said for anyone else. Also I can tell you've never done a house playthrough because house specifically states that he provides the balance of power and that if the NCR or legion wastes troops attacking him/vegas the other will be able to easily swoop in and finish the other so what u described really wouldn't happen unless the NCR or legion fully won already in which case house would've been dead already so when you consider that ur argument really falls apart
@@diffsnicker6570 I don't trust a word house says to the player because he only trusts the player because he thinks they're dumber than and easier to manipulate than Benny and he's right
Okay, there's one minor problem here, and that's Benny coming back to kill the Courier after being freed. This is likely cut content for a reason, as it doesn't make much sense for Benny to try and take on somebody who just solo'd Fortification Hill. Also, no cut-content is "canonical" no matter how well it may have fitted into the game.
And also someone who literally survived a bullet to the head
Honestly Benny was pretty damn stupid and narcissistic. I could totally buy that his ego would be big enough to think he actually at a shot at taking out the courier.
It's not rational, but losing everything would make anyone act irrationally even if it's out of jealousy for the Courier's success.
@@mado-wh4jv This is just about the only thing that I can think of to justify it really.
And to add salt to the wound, Mr.House tells the Courier that had Benny not shot them, *he'd* have been the one doing all those tasks he asks the Courier to do.
This would've let Benny do the Yes Man ending, by:
Following houses plan till after the securitrons in the fort are active, (house would presumably have a different method for this that wouldn't lead to Benny's death), then kill house, and just follow the Yes Man ending.
If Benny hadn't (tried to) killed the Courier, he would've succeeded in his goal.
His defiance and greed sealed his fate.
if only he had a stealth girl. they last three times longer.
These New Vegas analyses videos are always comprehensive and well-researched. Keep up the good work.
Its ironic that Benny says the odds are rigged against the Courier before shooting him, when in reality, putting those two bullets into the Courier rigged the odds against him.
The entire plot of the game revolves around the fact that 9mm is an inferior cartridge
This is well done, brilliant work, well in depth, theirs no way Beni could rule for all the points you've raised, he just wouldn't be able to get the support even if by a miracle he makes it back to Vegas, and whats stopping house from just overriding Benis command? Delusional at best!
I've been looking forward to another one of your uploads
R.i.p. Matthew Perry. A huge Fallout fan and he will be missed by all. Thank you for this amazing performance and you have forever become part of Fallout now.
Benny's weakness is his big ego. Thinking he's smarter than everyone
Maybe that's why the White Glove society gave him the heebie jeebies (cannibalism aside). They were a mirror into the dark nature of his own ego, narcissism and arrogance.
"Turns out Benny really was a fink all along"
In the scenario where Benny, somehow, gains control of the Securitrons and uses them to wipe out the Legion in The Fort, you claim that the Second Battle for Hooover Dam probably wouldn't happen. Yet if the courier wipes out The Fort and kills Caesar, Lanius still attacks Hoover Dam and is unwilling to surrender without a maximum Speech check. I see no reason why the attack wouldn't happen if Benny and his new Securitron army are the ones to destroy The Fort instead.
That is Benny's best chance for rule Vegas.
The Legion under Lanius is going to attack Hoover Dam regardless. The NCR is going to take a great number of casualties and maybe even lose control of the dam. The NCR and Legion will be at each other's throats and in their weakened condition, Benny can either make a deal to secure Vegas's independence or, if both sides are weak enough wipe them both off the map and use the Securitrons to secure the Mojave.
With a sufficient show of force and an army of military-grade robots, the other families will follow orders, at least for a while.
The Brotherhood of Steel is doomed under the leadership of McNamara who seems to have a "Wait & See"" attitude and won't even send Knights to find air filters for the bunker.
The Boomers _could_ be convinced to join Vegas under the right circumstances. You even say this in the video.
The Great Khans aren't much of a factor, especially if they get wiped out helping Lanius during the battle for the dam.
Like Benny himself says, it's a longshot. But it's not impossible.
I wish there was an option to bring Benny into the fold in Wildcard.
benny's plan was pretty much a "oh crap, i almost got killed by the guy i tried to kill! i gotta run to the fort to hand the securitron army to mr house on a silver platter. what could go wrong?"
he should've waited with this plan until the player kills mr house, but that would require the quest to be reworked.
He could have literaly just gotten a hold of their very common legionary helmets...almost seems like a big oversight on his end that he didnt. And the fact he made such a simple oversight should say even if he hadnt made that one he probably made plenty others..
Benny had a good plan going for him. But the problem was, he was too paranoid and too much of a coward to enact them. He was making enemies more than making friends. He ditched the Khans to save his skin, and threw the rest of his fellow Chairmen under the bus for his selfish delusions.
Of course the snake would bite everyone he comes in contact with, therefore burning every bridge previously open to him. He's probably a sociopath.
The courier only has an in with House because he's the courier. Benny can only steal the chip. So house has no reason to hire him as a mercenary.
The thing is that the independent route either way leads to a hollow shell of a nation that spans a single city because unless the courier uses the production facilities at the big empty, there’s no way to produce more securitrons which would be a finite military and civilian assets. Let’s assume that House has a production facility under the lucky 38 then there’s the issue of material and logistics. Especially if their in game behavior is anything to go by they have a habit of damaging each other in the process of random civilians damage that would need to be repaired. Only two options would be viable, use them exclusively for military deployment or produce ones that only use the MK one system. With that the best case is that eventually once the NCR goes for expansion they suffer a Pyrrhic victory. Meaning that they will barely win but will almost be decimated.
its literally shows you that independence is the worst ending only second to ceasers leagion...
Just about to go to sleep and I see you upload! How could you?
Lol same!
I think the key takeaway, is that without the courier he'd be dead. The courier can free him, but without him, on his own, he's dead.
Love the video, hope I can one day become a large lore-ish channel like you my man.
I wish I had both of you guy's voice talents. [And grammar apparently.]
Missed the opportunity to call the video "Benny's plan was rigged from the start"
Benny also wasn't that smart.. he is a tribal raider..
Im doing another play through (with mods for once ever) and my god is this game amazing.
Lmao that’s the only reason I still play these old games I don’t care how good the story is if it hurts my eyes to look at I’m not going to play it for an extended period of time
@@The_House_Always_Wins New Vegas is beautiful even without mods though
you really deserve 100k by now, videos like this are very interesting to watch.
I think one point that's missing & I think it's a weak point in the writing too. Benny ultimately screwed up by ambushing the courier in the first place. Mr. House wanted to have the chip delivered so he can have the army upgraded, which was already Benny's goal. There was no need for him to intercept the courier & put himself in harms way by 1. Showing his hand to House 2. Trying to sneak into the fort to install it himself. He could've waited until House hired a spy to install the chip. After that he could've waited for the right time to spring on House. (Edit, I don't think he'd be successful in killing House though)
If House upgraded his securitrons and released the army of them from the fort, Benny may have felt too afraid to make a move. Even inside the casino, House himself is very well-guarded. His personal securitron guard force is formidable and Benny would have needed a serious attack force to take them down even if he snuck in to the casino itself. Benny isn't much of a leader or a warrior, so getting past all that would be tough. If they were already upgraded it would be even worse.
@@GamingKeenBeaner I should've clarified that I don't think Benny would be successful in assassinating him, I was just saying him upgrading the army was a redundant part of his plan, since House was gonna do it anyways. Either way Benny is an idiot tbh. Even if he were the one to take the chip & upgrade the army, he would still have no control over them even if he somehow miraculously escaped from the fort. He would have to go into hiding from House. Sure, the robot army isn't activated until the battle of hoover dam. (House wants both NCR & Legion to weaken each other first). But the ones on the strip are still upgraded & mean. Realistically I don't see Benny succeeding in anyway. If he doesn't ambush the courier & House gets the chip + the army upgrade, all House has to do is close the Lucky 38 doors forever. If Benny does get through, House just shuts off the elevator power.. If Benny does ambush the courier, he shows his hand to House, & has to somehow sneak past Legion, upgrade the army, then sneak out...but then he still has no control over the army.
There's no indication that Benny knew just what the chip did until after he had obtained it and had Yes Man analyze it.
The reason he ambushed the courier was to get the platinum chip. If Benny doesn’t have the platinum chip, he never gets into the lucky 38.
Actually I forgot about the tunnel that Benny was having dug from the tops to the 38. In which case it IS kind of weird that he went after the chip. He’s too big brained for me
One thing ill note is the courier can raze the legion camp, and the battle for the still goes ahead
My headcannon is that mr house was using benny and the courier. I mean the yesman reprograming himself i think is just mr house takimg control. They think the same way about factions and why wouldnt he juat become mr house since hes a robco ai surrounded by mr houses everything prettt much
new New Vegas content randomly in my feed, very nice!
This guy is a gambler, so he made his moves are good but how he plays is bad by timing and his luck is always against him so The Gambler should have read people faces and knowing the cards first and he has no aces in his hand, and he should have drink his last swallow his drink and his deal is done, maybe he should have fold because the Courier 6 has a full House.
This video is so classy it got me a reservation at Dorsia for 8:30 same day
I misread that title by a long shot
Thank you for using the correct form of anarchy.
The simple reason is that he crossed the single dude with the power to quick load games
Always a good morning when Yaboiii posts first thing!
Benny basically doing -kill- betray everyone wild card playthrough without any skills or perks to aid him
I never thought about Benny's plan. Thanks.
His intelligence stat is literally 3
Really? That explains a bit.
Whats his charisma?
@@ЧелТы-э1п 3 as well but his strength is 7
@@ethanmiller631 I wonder how the developers assigned npc's stats. They don't make any sense
@@ЧелТы-э1п It's not canon and players can't even check it most of the time so there's no point
His reign woulda been short but it woulda been swingin baby!
Ayyyyy forget about it
One caveat: I *_highly_* doubt the demoralized NCR troops would be eager to take on an army of rocket firing robots that just obliterated Caesar and the Fort, winning the war for them in a day where they've been struggling for 5 years. I just can't see that at all.
Everyone to Benny:"Can you please fuck off?"
Everyone to Courier:"Can be please not kill us?"
Night and day. Benny was about as oblivious as you can get to the difference and paid the ultimate price for it.
You make some good videos. Keep it up.
It would make more sense to use the stealth boy ONCE HE ALREADY GOT TO THE FORT
Why is no one talking about how weird this “benny” looks
Ah yes, the "everyone has an old man face" mod haha
great video, by the way. Thank you for posting.
"The game was rigged from the start."
"No U"
I'd like to think benny got caught in his legionnaire outfit because he has gel in his hair and he still sounded like a new vegas city slicker.
I wish there was an ending where you could team up with Benny.
I just dig his style.
Interesting topic for a video , of all the hours I've got into fonv I can't say I've ever considered Benny's plan any farther than ending it lol
Benny's plan in theory was sound, but that's just it. In theory.
Benny didn't know House was onto him. If he had, I doubt he would've shot the Courier. Additionally, Benny never would've gotten CLOSE to the Lucky 38, much less have the red carpet rolled out for him like we did. That's literally the only reason we can do the Yes Man ending.
"...and lieutenant to one of the most powerful men alive, Mr. House."
"Alive's" a tricky word.
I mean, that's supposed to be the ultimate irony
He would be like a late Roman Emperor, he would rule until someone paid the Praetorians more to have the Emperor killed and replaced.
I dont think his plan was ever to take on the fort by himself but rather come up with a plan. The couriers sudden arrival at the tops forced him to make a leap of faith as he could no longer stay in New Vegas at that point.
You fail to understand something about military dictatorships with uncertain successors. Every single potential successor starts clambering for legitimacy.
You can see it throughout history. Alexander the Great's generals started civil war immediately upon his death, Genghis Khan's Khanate shattered, and after Julius Caesar was assassinated every senator and general started fighting each other to catch his murderers.
So, since Lanius isn't a stupid man, he's going to realize that his best bet to hold most of the legion together is to avenge Caesar, and kill as much of the competition as possible. And throwing disloyal legionnaires and Legates into the Strip and the NCR kills two birds with one stone.
So, assuming Benny burns the Camp to the ground, it's almost guaranteed that Lanius or some other Legate is going to invade to legitimize their rule
yup thats actually been stated 100000000000000000000000000s of times in the game that even if Ceaser dies the legion will battle in his honor.
I like the motion capture in the intro of nv
Alternative title:
"Even if..."
My main theory for both the fallout and the elder scrolls games is that the main character doesn't exist, I think of the main character in each game as the same entity even though they're canonically separate, it's like Heracles having done so many things in his life even though there's a chance he never existed, the accomplishments of all are looped into one man because a person is easier to relate to than a large group of people, and to further my theory, each faction has someone who would logically take your place to if you hadn't shown up
That's practically what ends up being made Canon anyways
Female courier and Benny working together instead of benny scampering off after their first date.
Now that’d be a timeline.
Whay on earth is wrong with Benny's face in this video? I've killed Benny dozens of times and he has more of a baby face then that I know it, I'm not crazy XD.
Idk, by the time you've show up in the casino, Benny already has hacked securitron running, so I'd say his chances of succeeding were pretty high. Botched infiltration aside, he had done everything right.
Benny"hay...my plan would have worked...wouldn't it"? Me"..... yeaaaahhhhhhh...not really Benny....not really"
Considering that Benny is allegedly rich, he could've tried to just buy so many stealthboys to keep him invisible 24/7 including from House computer
Very good video, however I disagree with one point, it is made clear in the game (i don't remember where, i could be wrong) that even with the death of ceasar (if the courrier wipe the camp) it won't change anything because lanius is the general, and that the legion still fight at the dam
Only if Benny used 10mm
Gun is gun in this case.
And even if Benny succeeded, without the Courier, Elijah eventually shows up with an unkillable hologram army.
Benny was clearly dealt a bad hand when it came to luck, given that he couldn't even kill the courier with a gun to the head at point blank.
All his points went to Charisma obviously 😂
@@InvaderGIR98 Without a doubt.
benny does not even need to change his hair for the fort if he had legionary armor with a helmet he would be fine
Of course it was rigged from the start, the player character survived a bullet to the head. 😂
2 rounds.
The legion doesn't like flashy haircuts??? Bruh they literally walk around with spiky Mohawks
I think Benny would have had better luck using the chip to arrange/force a meeting in the Lucky 38. House didn't think twice about letting the Courier walk in. House was also pretty desperate to get his own plans off the ground, so I think he'd hope for an easy payoff for Benny, same as the Courier.
Once inside, if he could bear to holster Maria in favor of a shotgun with EMP slugs, I think even Benny could take House's security. If nothing else he could light up the Stealthboy and potentially hide out in the casino or hack his way through to House for tee time.
There should have been an option for the Courier to back Benny for power.
Wait I just thought of this, why did Benny not just shoot the courier and run? Nobody would have suspected a thing out in the wasteland. And it’s more trouble to bury him while doing so he makes himself a target to someone else
Plot armour and the script
"Maybe Khans kill people without looking at 'em in the face. But I ain't a fink. Dig?"
Probably the same sort of Chairmen code of honor was at play.
"ruthlessly shot" is a bit harsh. He literally said he had no choice