I'm grinding through it, up to the first mig-21 it ain't bad. Have a 2.0+ air kdr with every plane but the Ho-229, which I have a 3.0kdr (including player ground vehicles) since i use it in ground rn. All of the air up to top tier seems more than fine, and I have all of USA and almost all of Sweden (no JA37D or gripens). The me-163 (8.0 one) is absolutely insane, I have a 7.0 KDR in it and like 6 out of my 15ish deaths are me crashing like a dumbass.
well its a strike aircraft so in ground battles it would be useful and germany is actually very dominant with their leopards. still wouldnt buy this shit as you can get it for free as a squadron vehicle
@@Warthunderspecialist1 People said the same thing with the F-4 phantom back in 2019, yet Germany only have a TT one 2 years later. Gaijin could easily go back on their word if they feel like it.
Who wants this?? Flare hungry AAMs, heavily limited ground ordinance, absolutely NO ZOOM in the targeting camera, barely any ammo for the guns.. the Su-22 is not a good plane at all no matter how many flares yoz glue to it
@magicmissile7533 I was under the impression the M4 was a copy of the M3, just with added flares. But even then only the inner 2 pylons can carry the Kh-29T Still, the point stands, 2 Kh-29Ts, and 2 Kh-25Ls does not a good AG loadout make. And then you have the akward situation with the final 2 AG pylons. S-24? Fab-500? GSh-23L? R-60Ms? It's just annoying to deal with.
@@magicmissile7533 yes and you can use them as targeting pods for the other laser guided missiles. When all other missiles are fired, you can fire your "targeting camera" too.
You need to remember that alot of people still play sim and grind trees out that way as its extremely easy and profitable. Its how ive done 3 nations 2 without premiums. Planes like this in sim especially at the BR are extremely viable.
thanks for making this vid dude i was rly considering getting this as a cas option for 12.0 grb lineup because i dont have any planes for germany and ik germany air sucks and we dont get anything good but germany is the nation i poured thousands of hours into grinding the tanks and switching to another nation is hard because i dont have the time to do that anymore good vid man thanks
The German Mig 19 is a straight upgrade in every aspect over the Russian Mig 19. It gives up the two R3S missile though, but they’re not good missiles to begin with.
gameplay of japanese harrier could just be background footage to rambling about the seemingly impending thai subtree (both the harrier and f5efcu now) and just talk about what it could get
I had an excellent time with the techtree variant. Load up some S25s set a detonation distance to your personal liking and abuse the S-25 to get air kills. Absolutely hilarious.
Everybody is acting like this is a plane made for arb the su22m4 premium is there purely for German ground players to have a plane with guided munitions, loads of ground players dont want to play air, they just want to play ground and not have to drop dumb bombs or dumb rockets, this things whole reason is the kh29t in ground
The problem is, most reasonable people aren’t paying $70 to play the vehicle in ground. They’re buying top tier premium air packs to research the air tree as a whole. Of which, there’s better options
We already have the su-22. We need a top tier CAS, like Su-25sm3, Su-34, and F-15 comparable, not a copy-and-paste redundant cash grab. And before anybody says "Germany doesn't suffer" we haven't gotten a new jet worth out time since like the F-4 ICE came, if you consider that worth time getting.
The MIG-21 lazur is also a great plane to learn boom&zoom if you wanna grind Germany anyways. Mainly because it will punish you if you don't. I used to be a turnfight andy with a hard time supressing my tendency to go and turnnfight everything in sight because of years and years of more dogfight focussed single- and multiplayer games and a general lack of patience for the whole "make a pass, if failed extend away, wnen far enough turn around and make another pass" playsytle, but the Lazur beat it into me. And at 11.0 it is really good at it, too. You get to clown on a lot of planes that have no way of keeping up with you if you use your speed properly.
German players: Gaijin please we want something fun to play, something unique or something to compete with the top tier mega jets. Gaijin for the past 3 updates: Best we can do is the worst AMRAAM slinger in the game and 2 premium attackers
Tbh any thing past WW2 is not worth it for Germany I like the premium tornado it is really good for what it is for but anything near that br is just useless I mainly only use that tornado for sl grinding and it is great for that.
Finally, someone talks about how Germany suffers I was a German main recently I felt even worse to be a German main Basically, there are no honors to part ofthe German main currently very bad at CAS, without a really top-tier Jet, not even a gooooooooood premium jet Even the classic Leo 2 family has been copy-pasted in France even tho they dont need it Nerf on Leo 2 I mean, who would even want to grind Germany nowadays Pathetic as me, I bought this plane just to comfort myself as complete the collection of Ger. stuff
Avg wehraboo comment Rn germany has quite literally no option for top tier air, they will get the eurofighter and f18 with everyone else but german mains want them now
One cool thing to do when playing the su17/22 in air rb is to carry 2 gun pods and 2 r60. Makes the grind quite a bit more fun and easy imo. But yeah, this plane is not worth 10 bucks
i have to disagree. 3 days ago I spaded the su22m3 (Russian squadron vehicle) and I loved it, I loved it so much in fact I wanted to get talisman on it. I'm definitely going to buy this to grind through Germany
The only time I truly enjoyed German top tier was when they added the MiG 29 to Germany.... (which was still 2 updates AFTER the Soviets got the MiG 29)
How your gunna play the SU-22M4 as a fighter in ARB- I have the tech tree one, i carry 208 flares and the rest chaff, carry 6 R-60MKs, nothing else but a singular drop tank under the fuselage, when you spawn in climb high, especially if its a downtier, if its an uptier stay lower and look around for Mig-23MLs because R-24R
Speaking of the AV-8S at the end, I just wish they made the AV-8S unique. It isn’t even an AV-8S at its current state. It’s literally just a copy-paste US premium AV-8A. Wrong missiles, wrong RWR, and basically anything else that made it unique.
I might get the tornado premium next sale and grind the tree out as I do want the mig29g and since the f4f ice went down to 13.0 I might also get that as it is kinda worth crewing now plus imo it is kinda better then the av8b+ as its supersonic and gets 2 more sidewinders that may be a bit worse they still are 2 more
@ seek trust me I’ll manage, do you remember when the tornado ids mfg could face the f-16 and mig29 cause I do and I used to own it on my first account before it got banned, and I was able to manage the f-16’s and mig29’s and now that it can’t face f-14’s or any other fourth gens other then the mirage 2000 I can manage
Germany may only get relevant again once they get the Eurofighter. Keep in mind that the West German air force in essence went from F86 to F104 to F4 Phantom -until 1980 only with Sidewinder B's (!) and from 1986 with AMRAAMs- to the EF2000. Without East Germany this entire top tier line up would be toast
I got this one for a couple of reasons. First I want to make clear that money isn't an issue for me, so the price tag didn't hurt me as much as some people. The first reason I got this is due to the lack of ground attack aircraft at Germany top tier with long range guided munitions and I didn't want to stock grind a SU-22 anytime soon. The second reason, I just really like the Fitter and am a bit of a collector of cool vehicles in game. I agree with Seek in that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone new to the German tree to grind tho.
I have (had) some fun with the Russian version because of the six R60M and the huge amount of flares. It's cool to get kills with an attack aircraft, It's not worth a cent of your money tho. Ass premium for sure
Mig-21Bis, RN, is very nice to play. People in your BR are, usually, pretty dumb people. Really easy to get in their 6 and nail them with your 6 AAMs or the 23mm pew pew gun.
You can also carry 2 r 13ms with 4 r 60ms. R 13ms are rear aspect only and turn less, but have longer range, faster acceleration and slightly more flare resistance
First, using 4x500kg bombs in late 2024 when napalm exists and its especially true for Su22 airframe. Second, with this update Snail allowed mixing Kh29T and Kh25L AGMs, which actually gives Germany second best stand off capability after Mavericks on Phantoms. You can use TV seeker as targeting pod for laser ordnance.
Legit question: why take the R-13Ms on the Mig-21 Bis? People say they got better range, although less pull but I remember back when I used them, I hardly noticed that much of a difference. They felt like Russian Aim-9Js, which have pretty shitty range just like the R-60Ms and are rear-aspect only. Am I missing something here?
US: F-4S, RU: MiG-23ML, GB: F-4J, JP: F-4EJ Meanwhile Germany: One of the worst high tier planes and a barley functioning strike aircraft packaged up as a premium. How lovely. Go duck yourself Gaijin, for real. Just delete Germany already if you hate them so much.
used 4 fire bombs 2 per base to stock grind the tech tree one it its a bit faster then the normal bombs still did not get a base most games so most of the rp was braindead premium players eating a r60 in the headon lol
really interesting game.... before update chine get jet from 2005 now russia from 2007 but where is ther euro fighter is from 2003 or a swiss f18 to be competitive with f4 ice is s ogood play in toptier ok is 13.0 but i played 5 maches and all un uptier vs su34 so gaijin pl no add more planes from 70-80 s !!!
@@SeekerHead If you actually want to play Air, yes. If someone wants one-and-done CAS addition, 21bis makes little sense. And given there's no shortage of strike aircraft of premium and event variety, there must be quite a lot of Ground players in such position.
If that’s why you’d buy a premium that’s fine, but most people will buy a $70 premium to grind a tree with. Not as a single addition to bolster their tank line up as a standalone vehicle.
your video content shits on the game so hard always about premiums and balencing how about making actually good videos like trepkas and bad karma making the community more bitter one video at a time
Sorry, the game is all wonderful and happy! We should be grateful gaijin gives us the chance to give them $80 in exchange for one of their highly developed and researched models!!!
I swear Gaijin doesn't actually want you to spend money on their game
Idk, they new premium amraams would sell 🫠
who is even playing germany in its current state😭
For some reason only trash players
people who play props
TBH i have shitton of fun with MiG-29G in ASB
I'm grinding through it, up to the first mig-21 it ain't bad. Have a 2.0+ air kdr with every plane but the Ho-229, which I have a 3.0kdr (including player ground vehicles) since i use it in ground rn. All of the air up to top tier seems more than fine, and I have all of USA and almost all of Sweden (no JA37D or gripens). The me-163 (8.0 one) is absolutely insane, I have a 7.0 KDR in it and like 6 out of my 15ish deaths are me crashing like a dumbass.
well its a strike aircraft so in ground battles it would be useful and germany is actually very dominant with their leopards. still wouldnt buy this shit as you can get it for free as a squadron vehicle
Germany needed a premium fighter, not another strike craft
Gaijin wants to sell German aviation to German tank mains somehow.
Germany doesnt need a premium, it needs a decent high tier fighter. only going up to 13.0 is the worst since you get uptiered to 13.7 anyway
Not even Premium, germany need Strikers but not prem ones, also fighters
@@guardsmanhansvonkrieg4862i think If they add swiss germany can be saved
@@Panocek yeah but we don't need these shit attacker at all
F4F is the best at 10.7 and tornado is the only one worth using at toptier
I got a talisman out of a box for my german mig 29 thank the gaijin gods
This is exactly why im grinding it all by hand, no premiums. By the time i get to top tier itll be better (no it wont)
It's meant to get F18 in Dec and euro fighter in the first couple months of 2025
@@Warthunderspecialist1f18 is not coming in December kid
@@Modelstl063why not kid
@@Warthunderspecialist1 People said the same thing with the F-4 phantom back in 2019, yet Germany only have a TT one 2 years later. Gaijin could easily go back on their word if they feel like it.
@@Warthunderspecialist1 Why would germany have a Hornet
Germany suffers
In-game or irl? Bro you have to be precise 😂🥲
@@-Atlas98 bro out of the loop
Germany suffers is a myth in GRB in ARB sure
PESA radar got put on a helicopter that can't even use it, love this game, peak, cinema even.
Bro I can lock ships in Test Drive with it all day long
Who wants this?? Flare hungry AAMs, heavily limited ground ordinance, absolutely NO ZOOM in the targeting camera, barely any ammo for the guns.. the Su-22 is not a good plane at all no matter how many flares yoz glue to it
The TV missiles actually do have good cameras tho
@magicmissile7533 I was under the impression the M4 was a copy of the M3, just with added flares. But even then only the inner 2 pylons can carry the Kh-29T
Still, the point stands, 2 Kh-29Ts, and 2 Kh-25Ls does not a good AG loadout make. And then you have the akward situation with the final 2 AG pylons. S-24? Fab-500? GSh-23L? R-60Ms? It's just annoying to deal with.
@@magicmissile7533 yes and you can use them as targeting pods for the other laser guided missiles. When all other missiles are fired, you can fire your "targeting camera" too.
@@Alextz_Gr doing all of that while Russia has the Su-25sm3, Su-34, America the F-15? no thanks
Welcome to the avg top tier soviet cas experience, enjoy your stay
You need to remember that alot of people still play sim and grind trees out that way as its extremely easy and profitable. Its how ive done 3 nations 2 without premiums. Planes like this in sim especially at the BR are extremely viable.
Russian game, Germany is treated badly…. Coincidence? 🤔 😂
Russia also sucks some of the worst top tier planes and worst arh missile too
Nope totally not 🤗
the Tiger 2H is the same battle rating as the is2 which kinda disproves this lol
@@coenjansen674 German air at top tier is the only bad tier, the rest is pretty handheld ngl
Acting like russia has an amazing air techtree💀
straightforward and on point, I like that. Thanks for reviewing the new premiums
thanks for making this vid dude i was rly considering getting this as a cas option for 12.0 grb lineup because i dont have any planes for germany and ik germany air sucks and we dont get anything good but germany is the nation i poured thousands of hours into grinding the tanks and switching to another nation is hard because i dont have the time to do that anymore good vid man thanks
I stopped playing Germany air after all the ww2 jets because after that your Basically playing diet USA and Soviet jets.
CL-13B is the only post-war German jet worth playing imo, it's an absolute menace when facing sub-sonics.
The German Mig 19 is a straight upgrade in every aspect over the Russian Mig 19. It gives up the two R3S missile though, but they’re not good missiles to begin with.
Lim-5P was a fun time hunting A-4's
I want the most upgraded F4E so I am grinding the German tree. I know that in real life the f15 is better but I love the lines of the F4E.
Holy shit that’s a kick ass decal my guy one of the best
gameplay of japanese harrier could just be background footage to rambling about the seemingly impending thai subtree (both the harrier and f5efcu now) and just talk about what it could get
I had an excellent time with the techtree variant. Load up some S25s set a detonation distance to your personal liking and abuse the S-25 to get air kills. Absolutely hilarious.
Dont buy this plane people.
I really like that they have started adding premiums that are exactly the same as TT
I remember when years ago, this was one of the most competitive aircraft
Everybody is acting like this is a plane made for arb the su22m4 premium is there purely for German ground players to have a plane with guided munitions, loads of ground players dont want to play air, they just want to play ground and not have to drop dumb bombs or dumb rockets, this things whole reason is the kh29t in ground
The problem is, most reasonable people aren’t paying $70 to play the vehicle in ground. They’re buying top tier premium air packs to research the air tree as a whole. Of which, there’s better options
We already have the su-22. We need a top tier CAS, like Su-25sm3, Su-34, and F-15 comparable, not a copy-and-paste redundant cash grab. And before anybody says "Germany doesn't suffer" we haven't gotten a new jet worth out time since like the F-4 ICE came, if you consider that worth time getting.
Lazur is also decent with 2 S-24 as CAS. It's almost always guaranteed kill.
The leopard nearf 😭😭😭
The MIG-21 lazur is also a great plane to learn boom&zoom if you wanna grind Germany anyways. Mainly because it will punish you if you don't. I used to be a turnfight andy with a hard time supressing my tendency to go and turnnfight everything in sight because of years and years of more dogfight focussed single- and multiplayer games and a general lack of patience for the whole "make a pass, if failed extend away, wnen far enough turn around and make another pass" playsytle, but the Lazur beat it into me. And at 11.0 it is really good at it, too. You get to clown on a lot of planes that have no way of keeping up with you if you use your speed properly.
top tier dont teach anything its all braindead now
German players: Gaijin please we want something fun to play, something unique or something to compete with the top tier mega jets.
Gaijin for the past 3 updates: Best we can do is the worst AMRAAM slinger in the game and 2 premium attackers
Tbh any thing past WW2 is not worth it for Germany I like the premium tornado it is really good for what it is for but anything near that br is just useless I mainly only use that tornado for sl grinding and it is great for that.
Yes truth the Lazur is the best Grinder for Germany. 2 Nalpam Bombs for an Base and 4x ALL Aspect Missels =D
I've got 1,800 hours in the game, tier V-VII in half the air+ground techtrees, I'm savouring the mid tiers.
Finally, someone talks about how Germany suffers
I was a German main
recently I felt even worse to be a German main
Basically, there are no honors to part ofthe German main currently
very bad at CAS, without a really top-tier Jet, not even a gooooooooood premium jet
Even the classic Leo 2 family has been copy-pasted in France even tho they dont need it
Nerf on Leo 2
I mean, who would even want to grind Germany nowadays
Pathetic as me, I bought this plane just to comfort myself as complete the collection of Ger. stuff
Avg wehraboo comment
Rn germany has quite literally no option for top tier air, they will get the eurofighter and f18 with everyone else but german mains want them now
@guvyygvuhh298 dont bullshit people about better in later or future. Now is Now, they could just give sub tree of F16, France doesnt even need a F16
German ground tree - 😳🤌🏼😤✅️
German Air tree - 😭💀
One cool thing to do when playing the su17/22 in air rb is to carry 2 gun pods and 2 r60. Makes the grind quite a bit more fun and easy imo. But yeah, this plane is not worth 10 bucks
i have to disagree. 3 days ago I spaded the su22m3 (Russian squadron vehicle) and I loved it, I loved it so much in fact I wanted to get talisman on it. I'm definitely going to buy this to grind through Germany
The only time I truly enjoyed German top tier was when they added the MiG 29 to Germany.... (which was still 2 updates AFTER the Soviets got the MiG 29)
How your gunna play the SU-22M4 as a fighter in ARB- I have the tech tree one, i carry 208 flares and the rest chaff, carry 6 R-60MKs, nothing else but a singular drop tank under the fuselage, when you spawn in climb high, especially if its a downtier, if its an uptier stay lower and look around for Mig-23MLs because R-24R
Speaking of the AV-8S at the end, I just wish they made the AV-8S unique. It isn’t even an AV-8S at its current state. It’s literally just a copy-paste US premium AV-8A. Wrong missiles, wrong RWR, and basically anything else that made it unique.
Someday Germany will get some good top tier options… just wait next patch they’re getting a $80 F-4F ICE Premium
I might get the tornado premium next sale and grind the tree out as I do want the mig29g and since the f4f ice went down to 13.0 I might also get that as it is kinda worth crewing now plus imo it is kinda better then the av8b+ as its supersonic and gets 2 more sidewinders that may be a bit worse they still are 2 more
NOT the tornado please 😭😭
@ seek trust me I’ll manage, do you remember when the tornado ids mfg could face the f-16 and mig29 cause I do and I used to own it on my first account before it got banned, and I was able to manage the f-16’s and mig29’s and now that it can’t face f-14’s or any other fourth gens other then the mirage 2000 I can manage
Germany may only get relevant again once they get the Eurofighter.
Keep in mind that the West German air force in essence went from F86 to F104 to F4 Phantom -until 1980 only with Sidewinder B's (!) and from 1986 with AMRAAMs- to the EF2000. Without East Germany this entire top tier line up would be toast
And even then it'll be worse than Britain's for a Eurofighter
@@honeybadgerbomb4469probably not
It's even funnier the 4th time
I got this one for a couple of reasons. First I want to make clear that money isn't an issue for me, so the price tag didn't hurt me as much as some people. The first reason I got this is due to the lack of ground attack aircraft at Germany top tier with long range guided munitions and I didn't want to stock grind a SU-22 anytime soon. The second reason, I just really like the Fitter and am a bit of a collector of cool vehicles in game.
I agree with Seek in that I wouldn't recommend it to anyone new to the German tree to grind tho.
Bro buys wt packs to swag his money
@@meezo9980 I spend my money on things I want.
the difference is that the prem version has a stronger engine thats not as powerful as the Hungarian or squadron's engine but still a slight upgrade
2:29 Low level premium moment
I have (had) some fun with the Russian version because of the six R60M and the huge amount of flares. It's cool to get kills with an attack aircraft, It's not worth a cent of your money tho. Ass premium for sure
I started grinding china because of how bad German top tier air is. At least Germany got the LJdam with the update.
And its such a cool ground strike aircraft too. Why gaijoongles
Mig-21Bis, RN, is very nice to play. People in your BR are, usually, pretty dumb people. Really easy to get in their 6 and nail them with your 6 AAMs or the 23mm pew pew gun.
Problem is that R60Ms are insanely flare hungry and have abysmal range, only really better than like... SRAAM or AIM-7C
@@meezo9980 well, yeah. That's why you have 6 XD
You can also carry 2 r 13ms with 4 r 60ms. R 13ms are rear aspect only and turn less, but have longer range, faster acceleration and slightly more flare resistance
Still better than any top br italian premium.
The fact that Germany has only 1 11.0 vehicle makes it worse for CAS
At least it gets Kh-T’s for cas and lots of cm’s
First, using 4x500kg bombs in late 2024 when napalm exists and its especially true for Su22 airframe. Second, with this update Snail allowed mixing Kh29T and Kh25L AGMs, which actually gives Germany second best stand off capability after Mavericks on Phantoms. You can use TV seeker as targeting pod for laser ordnance.
I really wish there was a reason to play the SU-22s, they are such cool looking planes but they just suck in game
Legit question: why take the R-13Ms on the Mig-21 Bis? People say they got better range, although less pull but I remember back when I used them, I hardly noticed that much of a difference. They felt like Russian Aim-9Js, which have pretty shitty range just like the R-60Ms and are rear-aspect only. Am I missing something here?
I tested both on the mig 21 bis and I found way more kills with the R-13M1
R13s have a good bit more range yeah. Also not quite as flare hungry
I'll have to try them again, then. Sometimes it's kinda hard to accurately measure things with the chaos of high-tier furballs unfolding...
I bought it out of desperation to grind German jets. It’s so bad.
I always hate playing Germany, these teams food so quickly.
Good
You mean GERMAINS ?
One of the laziest cash grabs yet...
Why tf do only the Premiums get interesting camos ffs
US: F-4S, RU: MiG-23ML, GB: F-4J, JP: F-4EJ
Meanwhile Germany: One of the worst high tier planes and a barley functioning strike aircraft packaged up as a premium. How lovely.
Go duck yourself Gaijin, for real. Just delete Germany already if you hate them so much.
used 4 fire bombs 2 per base to stock grind the tech tree one it its a bit faster then the normal bombs still did not get a base most games so most of the rp was braindead premium players eating a r60 in the headon lol
at this point i question why the majority who play WT. play it.
Wrong! This is an excelent plane for GRB.
You don’t buy top tier premiums to fill a ground rb line up, you pay $70 to research a tree with
@@SeekerHead I did, and i'm satisfied.
@@ricardogunnz2you’re right, that was 70$ objectively well spent, objectively.
For me germany was tge fadtest way to get the mig21 and 23
these r60mks loves to eat flares huh
if only spading the su22m4 rn isnt aids
JF17 a joke to you Seek?
What does the JF17 have to do with anything
really interesting game.... before update chine get jet from 2005 now russia from 2007 but where is ther euro fighter is from 2003 or a swiss f18 to be competitive with f4 ice is s ogood play in toptier ok is 13.0 but i played 5 maches and all un uptier vs su34 so gaijin pl no add more planes from 70-80 s !!!
sure its garbage in air rb but its actually pretty good in ground rb
you wouldnt wanna pay $70 for a ground rb plane that already is available for free though id think
@@SeekerHead 70eur/usd is low price compared to grinding entire tree and you just want something to revengebomb people with at top tier in Ground.
Grind the entire tree with the 21bis, it doesn’t suck
@@SeekerHead If you actually want to play Air, yes. If someone wants one-and-done CAS addition, 21bis makes little sense. And given there's no shortage of strike aircraft of premium and event variety, there must be quite a lot of Ground players in such position.
If that’s why you’d buy a premium that’s fine, but most people will buy a $70 premium to grind a tree with. Not as a single addition to bolster their tank line up as a standalone vehicle.
Lol yet another trash for Germany.
you want germany? play russia instead
I know this footage isn't handpicked but tbh, it's refreshing to see the CC-tor that makes obvious mistakes that even I can recognize : )
😭😭😭
your video content shits on the game so hard always about premiums and balencing how about making actually good videos like trepkas and bad karma making the community more bitter one video at a time
Sorry, the game is all wonderful and happy! We should be grateful gaijin gives us the chance to give them $80 in exchange for one of their highly developed and researched models!!!
hello, first comment
nooooo
FIRST