I expected them to at least wait a week to nerf it at least they did it now because i was about to spend 3 days grinding it but decided id wait for the inevitable nerf to see if its still worth it after
Gaijin: We can't have this plane be too strong, let's nerf it after everybody bought it with GE Playerbase: Then why did you introduce an OP flight model? Gaijin: .....
@@jenniferdingus5309 almost every F-15E or Su-34 that you saw on patch day was purchased by exchanging GE for research points. This is incredibly expensive... but as you can see, there are a lot of people who do this every patch just to fly the new vehicle before everyone else.
This game is hitting a point where it needs to make some pretty serious changes to its battle ratings. It’s impossible to maintain both realism and game balance when adding modern 4th gen NATO aircraft. The USA/NATO airframes are so vastly superior to their peer adversaries that they have to forgo realism and nerf a plane many hundreds of miles per hour below what it’s realistic performance is to maintain game balance. If the battle ratings weren’t so compressed, they’d be able to add airframes and weaponry to match realistic performance, and maintain some semblance of balance.
why would a game that would make more money if they had something overpowered so that more people would just buy it with real money when it's op and then nerf it after, what a hard question to answer...
I ran a few tests with the F15I before and after the nerf, and from 0 to Mach 2 it's only around 15-20 seconds slower. This means it's still around 30-45 seconds faster than the F15C to Mach 2, and about a minute and a half faster than the SU27SM. It gets quite noticeable afterwards in how quick it gets to Mach 2.5. However it's still somehow managing to nearly sustain 9Gs without much energy bleed once at those high speeds. Bottom line is that it's gone from being the best jet for Air RB by a significant margin, to being.... still the best jet for Air RB by a significant margin. It's so Flankover :(
@@cagingskies9584 it doesn't reach Mach 2.5 at all anymore. Not with a combat load and decent fuel levels. With 8 missiles and only 9 minutes of fuel, it will barely reach Mach 2.3 at 12km. Like I said, the 15e(don't have the I) in a normal match will rarely reach Mach 2. Though i do agree it's gone from the best jet to.... the best jet. All in saying is there is a VERY noticeable difference
@@lthotpocket8259 I was running my tests with a completely clean airframe, so I reckon that's why I'm getting to a higher speed. This is outside my realm of certainty, but I don't *think* the F15E should be able to hit Mach 2.5 in anything but a clean configuration anyways, so that's probably for the best.
im still a strong believer of the J10's performance, the 85 degree radar locks with the fastest radar in the game. and F16 like flight performance with 8 missiles, just unbeatable
Man why are there actually people who think this is an unrealistic nerf and the F-15E actually could fly Mach 2.3 at 10,000 meters while accelerating in a full pull turn.
but but but but uhhhh F-15 BEST JET EVER! It could like got MACH 33 and uhhhhh could pull 30gs and uh ub uh u h uh..... US mains at their finest...I watched an F-14B and an F-16C lose a 2v1 to an F-20 (lvl 30 account) and let him pull clear away from them....I wonder how such people reach top tier.
I like how comments were like "I KNEW IT WE PREDICTED THIS", yeah it was so obvious even 4 year old jimmy could see it. The most overpowered plane ever added gets nerfed who could have seen that coming 😱
@@specc_s1452 russia had the most one sided fox-1 in the game for like 2 and a half years with literally zero reason to of been added because the r-27r was the aim-7f/m's contemporary
@@specc_s1452lmfao you’re entire comment history is you complaining about US mains. Calling us mains babies is hilarious. Look at germany they create like a 1000 reddit posts every time a new update comes out and they don’t get their precious PZH2000. Look at Russian players. They cried for days and ARE ACTIVELY STILL crying about getting there auto loader’s modeled . Cope harder lmfao.
@Arda0zkan it is fast, but not as fast. Try to pull 8-9g at high alt, you'll see a drastic speed decrease. In wt it accelerated. Also try to accelerate up to mach2 with am full aim120 load. Eventually, you'll get there, but afterwards a long time and a lot of fuel burnt. In wt it accelerated to Mach 2 in about 3 minutes
The problem is it just won't do what it's supposed to be able to. It can't even get close to its supposed top speed. With an empty load out and low fuel it will barely break 1600mph the most I've seen is 1604mph. I have no problem with nerfing it but when you make it slower change the status card because it's just lying when it's listed at 1668. Same as the F15c.
@@mrm9069 Honestly SU-57 might come with the 4.5+ jets as it would be VERY unpowered if included with 5th gen jets, even going off official russian reports it doesn't hold a candle to the likes of a F-22 or J-20
@@KingOfTheCrabz I am not surprised nor did I spend golden eagles on it, this is not the issue. gaijin release a broken op plane the ruins everyone else's fun for a quick buck and it just gross.
Rather then nerfing, bring the Flankers and Fulcrums upto their irl standards and weapons performance, and expand the BR. Comeon Gayjin its not that complicated!
@@Viper31300 So you think they can't even take off? LMAO The Fulcrum caused Viper pilots to shit bricks, and the USA had to build a new 5th gen aircraft to compete against the Flankers.
Same could be said by russian tankies that wanted its fancy R-77 to overperform like the R-27ER, but come on, it's way easier to just earn some ez likes and gratification on the generic complain, it really shows.
I started playing almost 2 years ago from scratch to get the F-14A. I just hit rank 7 with the first F4 Phantom. Now there’s the F-14 B lol. But I’m also spading and filling out my lineup at every BR rank too so that’s why.
Not that changing a planes FM days after the update is anything new, nor are new bugs. But when are we going to hold the devs accountable to release a polished product, without being delayed 3-4 weeks just to still need FM changes and bugs in the game. Like Seek said, they seem to use the information gained from the dev server very inefficiently, and the changes dont always come before the update comes, which makes absolutely no sense.
It's still an F15C with more engine power. That's pretty much it. So yeah it's better than the 15C by a little bit but they're quite similar in play style. The extra power just makes life easier
AIM120 A and B are identical on the game. In real life, the only difference was a logistical change that allows the aim120B to be updated easily without as much disassembly of the missile to access the card.
So glad I haven’t spent ge on this at all the only people mad are the ones who spent ge to get it and for me I have the f15c already so I’m not really worried about the nerf
It was nerfed on the dev server though. It was originally going to have the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220s. American mains complained hard enough about the F-15E having weaker engines that they changed them to the F100-PW-229s. I wonder why they were gonna give it weaker engines to begin with? 🤔
Idk but it’s funny the Israeli f15E had the PW-229’s off rip and they thought yeah I don’t think American players will mind if they get the weak engines for theirs when hundreds of F15E’s have the 229’s installed.
@@LTFP-fw3it back on the dev server US mains were crying about the F-15E having weaker engines while the F-15I had the PW-229s from the start (because it was built with the 229s in mind irl). They probably wanted to see how the stronger engines would have preformed on a F-15 in a nation that isn’t entirely common, but after all the cope on the forums they caved and gave the E the 229s, turning it into a biblically accurate F-15 which is ridiculous when you consider all the other aircraft that are artificially gimped in some way.
America never has the best version of their own planes. We sell them off and other countries upgrade them. With the turkey feather exhaust on the F15I for example, we decided not to put them on to save money. The Israelis did.
@@SeekerHead Yes fair enough I guess. Just a bit annoying when I see Israel get the better version of every top tier we get. Don't get me started on how they add a plane from 2006 (Su-34) and a plane from 1972/ 1985 (F-15A/E) instead of one from 2011 (F-15 advanced eagle) I'm pretty sure america's newest plane is from before the 90's
@@vorpalmachinethe flankers are already underperforming as they are, adding even more op shit for america because theyre at the same time period doesnt make sense
@@SeekerHead Of course if everyone play the game like you in the vid surely can beat most of the soviet jets, but many players are play for chill, not extrem tryhard. For me, soviet jets if playing in close range(especially the ARB will suddenly let enemy see your name for no reason.), it got very good performance with it.
I mean at altitude doing Mach 2 was realistic but I suppose we never do get the realistic flight models of any American airframes I feel like it was modeled pretty realistically after flying it and reading flight manuals on it and other documents before the “nerf” tho it looks like it will still be a dominant fighter in the game
Mach 2 basically never happens in real life. Aircraft top speeds are tested and recorded under very unrealistic scenarios that would never apply to a combat airplane. That said, the F15Es top speed is Mach 2.33 anwyay
Are you happy now? Please dont cry another nation mains, and you Seek, who encouraged the others to cry. I mainly blame you Seek, you big ,,content creator" who thinks of himself that all his words are sacred. Just go for it, we dont needed this unrealistic nerf. I have american, russian, italian, german, sweeden top tier fighter jets, but if currently 1 nation is stronger then i dont cry. The top speed of F15E 2.5 Mach, it taken to reach 30-40 km distance at 11 km altitude to reach it with no Cft fuel tank, this was realistic. After the nerf it taken 50 km dist to reach 2.1 Match with no Cft Fuel tank, this is not realistic.
it isnt unrealstic. you're brain dead if you think ANY jet can ACCELERATE at mach 2.3 10000m altitude while pulling 9Gs. F15E is STILL the best jet in the game
@SeekerHead I dont said that, I said now the jet cant reach top speed, only max 2 match in 40 km Distance, with no CFT fuel tanks, only 20 min Fuel. The F15E top speed irl 2.5 match. In the game now you canT reach the real top speed of the Jet in the straight line with light loadout, few fuel. First think about who is the real braindread, (You can't interpet a text) then speak.
top speed in game: machg 2.33 top speed irl: mach 2.3 These arew figures assuming standard day conditions. i have the chart of unrestricited data. you can add me on discord if u want to see it. the top speed is NOT mach 2.5 And yes, you said the nerf is "unrealisitc" that implies you think it was more realsitic before the nerf, when it was accelerating at 9G pulls doing mach 2.3.
My dad flew f-15c and he said before they got the 229 engines and the e already had them in a straight level flight the difference in performance was not very noticeable
@@bastianfarstvede8634 F-15E is a multirole fighter, and is better then the F-15C at BVR, as it should be. There is a reason for the F-15EX being based on the F-15E airframe and not the F-15C airframe, its not called F-15CX.
Ive lost hope in Top tier Air where playing American Jets for me is like comparing a 2015 Mustang to a 1999 SAAB for Russia. Sure its a car that works the same but the umph just ain't there with the modern tech aswell. Im more concerned about ground battles rn, after this patch when playing the SU27SM in ground with a CAS loudaout, I cannot use anything at all, as in the button for firing missiles/flares/chaff/locking TV missiles or Bombs does not work at all but in Air RB it does work fully even in Test it works however it does not work at all in Ground battles for somereason. First I thought it was a Chinese hacker boy but now trying it out on 5 different games without being able to use it I am very certain that this is a game issue. My buttons have not been reset nor have they been changed they are exactly the same as I've had for over half a year now and it still don't wanna work at all... Its very frustrating seeing a J10A and trying to fire missiles at him with a full on 2 minute chase of me right behind him spamming my missile fire button but nothing happens which is just stupid. If you don't believe me I can send proof cuz this is just wack....
man, i have grown as a person. i saw this jet was the way it was and i never bought it through GE, i did nothing. i still wont play, gaijun can kiss my rear
Bruh I brought a tailsman for F15I last day and finished stock grind in 3 or 4 hours. Honestly it was really much op before nerfed, you can just flew to a much much higher alt and speed when the other planes are still climbing. But in GRB, western jets are really unplayable after the nerf on their RWRs, USSR with pantsir and su34 just could smash the top tier GRB, and they never get a huge nerf
No plane irl ever gets to Mach 2 in practical situations. You should read into how top speeds are measured and tested. It’s very unrealistic and will never happen in actual combat situations. That said, F15Es top speed is Mach 2.33
That moment when gaijin wants so bad for a russian plane to be the best in the game, but the F-15E is just better than any of them and they can't do too much to take away from its realism.
Thank god it got nerfed? So now jets at its br can actually catch up and face it normally? Whats so bad about flying the best plane at its br which is still the best at its br after the nerf
because the game is literally designed to make you do that ... maybe not the unlock itself but the insane PAIN that is the stock grind is DESIGNED to make you suffer so much you will pay to skip that pain ...
Why they gave it the AIM-120B is beyond me. As if AIM-120A wasn't already the best Fox-3 and least give Russians something to counter it like R-77M or R-27EM
yeah but like it’s still faster than the C I bet and the aim120b combination it’s still the best plane in the game but less like op. The change was like basically zero impact😂
Notice bro not responding to comments calling out Gaijin for nerfing it AFTER all the whales GE'd it like he uses to in his videos. Dude has really sold his soul to this company. Another creator bites the dust it seems.
idk what you're talking about, they do this literally every update. if you don't expect that by now and GE stuff on launch without thinking that it will likely be changed, that's on you. I dont sympathize with someone silly enough to be so impulsive
@@SeekerHead Case and point right here. Yet another creator bought out by the company to tell the playerbase that they're the ones in the wrong. It's sad really. Hope the best for you bud, but not going to stick around and watch this channel that I and others used to love fall into a hole.
Good, find somewhere else to complain about. I’m one of the most critical gaijin content creators in the game. You just want to bitch for the sake of bitching 👎🏻
It was all a big plan, get people excited cause it’s so good then after people spend resources on it and they make money they nerf it to hell. I hate war thunder devs with a passion
US mains when they have to stop flying the best plane in the game and settle for the best plane in the game
this cracked me up 😂
Man if only I had the best plane in the game. Currently stuck with some of the best planes instead as I grind the Aardvark right before the best plane
As a usa main i prefer the nerf nobody likes fighting planes moving mach 2
But have you considered SPAA? Checkmate commie
Best is never good enough apparently. After nerfs it’s still literally perfect.
Oh boy i sure hate the best plane getting nerfed into the best plane
😭😭😭
Gaijin “conveniently” waiting till after people GE’d it to nerf it
Sounds like a skill issue
even after two dev servers, its not like they did not have time. such a greedy company
People are idiots 😂😂
I expected them to at least wait a week to nerf it at least they did it now because i was about to spend 3 days grinding it but decided id wait for the inevitable nerf to see if its still worth it after
Predators is what they are.
pre nerf f15e was like fighting a dam decpticon flying around at mach 2😂
Literally it became the F-104 at 10.7-11.00
Top tier players when they have to fight literally starscream
Patchnote says they nerfed speed of f15e and f15i at ground level to m 1.28 and at alts 9-12 km but at alts 3-6 km they even buffed it more
HAHAHA WE SO CALLED THIS
Gaijins pretty predictable
Literally not even 24 hrs 😭
Gotta let everyone GE it before nerfing yk?
It was very obvious
The playerbase when they have the best plane in the game ripped away from them and instead get given the best plane in the game
Gaijin: We can't have this plane be too strong, let's nerf it after everybody bought it with GE
Playerbase: Then why did you introduce an OP flight model?
Gaijin: .....
What do you mean bought it with ge like a squadron??
@@jenniferdingus5309 you can ge tech tree vehicles, its just super expensive
@@madcat3.0yea but how is it like squadrons vehicles or is it convertible rp??
not everybody, just some impulsive people
@@jenniferdingus5309 almost every F-15E or Su-34 that you saw on patch day was purchased by exchanging GE for research points. This is incredibly expensive... but as you can see, there are a lot of people who do this every patch just to fly the new vehicle before everyone else.
This game is hitting a point where it needs to make some pretty serious changes to its battle ratings. It’s impossible to maintain both realism and game balance when adding modern 4th gen NATO aircraft. The USA/NATO airframes are so vastly superior to their peer adversaries that they have to forgo realism and nerf a plane many hundreds of miles per hour below what it’s realistic performance is to maintain game balance. If the battle ratings weren’t so compressed, they’d be able to add airframes and weaponry to match realistic performance, and maintain some semblance of balance.
Idk how it wasn’t nerfed in the dev server. The fact that it got in the live server is crazy
Is so people wil spend more money to get the good jet then they need it after people put their resources to it
True @@austinbixler8662
why would a game that would make more money if they had something overpowered so that more people would just buy it with real money when it's op and then nerf it after, what a hard question to answer...
@@Brzzzyexe 🤔 This is a truly hard question
@@austinbixler8662 Oh, Okay
If it’s live I’ve hardly noticed a major difference. The plane is still completely insane
It’s noticeable, but still a bit over tuned I think
It is live, and i've noticed a HUGE difference. I rarely reach mach 2 in a normal match now.
I ran a few tests with the F15I before and after the nerf, and from 0 to Mach 2 it's only around 15-20 seconds slower. This means it's still around 30-45 seconds faster than the F15C to Mach 2, and about a minute and a half faster than the SU27SM.
It gets quite noticeable afterwards in how quick it gets to Mach 2.5. However it's still somehow managing to nearly sustain 9Gs without much energy bleed once at those high speeds.
Bottom line is that it's gone from being the best jet for Air RB by a significant margin, to being.... still the best jet for Air RB by a significant margin.
It's so Flankover :(
@@cagingskies9584 it doesn't reach Mach 2.5 at all anymore. Not with a combat load and decent fuel levels. With 8 missiles and only 9 minutes of fuel, it will barely reach Mach 2.3 at 12km.
Like I said, the 15e(don't have the I) in a normal match will rarely reach Mach 2. Though i do agree it's gone from the best jet to.... the best jet. All in saying is there is a VERY noticeable difference
@@lthotpocket8259 I was running my tests with a completely clean airframe, so I reckon that's why I'm getting to a higher speed.
This is outside my realm of certainty, but I don't *think* the F15E should be able to hit Mach 2.5 in anything but a clean configuration anyways, so that's probably for the best.
im still a strong believer of the J10's performance, the 85 degree radar locks with the fastest radar in the game. and F16 like flight performance with 8 missiles, just unbeatable
J10 is very good...but i don't see them very often.
everyone stopped talking about it already even though it's still the number one best dogfighter in the game
China has F16s, Mirage 2000, J-11 and I just bought the J7D a few days ago 💀
Sadly, it's absolutely hideous, probably the ugliest modern jet fighter in the world.
a decent f-16 pilot can easily win a dogfight against it
Man why are there actually people who think this is an unrealistic nerf and the F-15E actually could fly Mach 2.3 at 10,000 meters while accelerating in a full pull turn.
US mains. All I can say
Just as I was close to grinding it out and now I can’t go hyper sonic. It’s all I wanted for Christmas
American propaganda is real
but but but but uhhhh F-15 BEST JET EVER! It could like got MACH 33 and uhhhhh could pull 30gs and uh ub uh u h uh.....
US mains at their finest...I watched an F-14B and an F-16C lose a 2v1 to an F-20 (lvl 30 account) and let him pull clear away from them....I wonder how such people reach top tier.
@@kattkatt6961 Ex F4S base bombers, dont expect them to know how to dogfight or BVR
I like how comments were like "I KNEW IT WE PREDICTED THIS", yeah it was so obvious even 4 year old jimmy could see it. The most overpowered plane ever added gets nerfed who could have seen that coming 😱
Well it's American, and they rarely touch anything negatively in the US because there is an uproar or baby whines.
@@specc_s1452 yeah thats true this is new, nerf american vehicle how dare they
@@specc_s1452 russia had the most one sided fox-1 in the game for like 2 and a half years with literally zero reason to of been added because the r-27r was the aim-7f/m's contemporary
@@specc_s1452lmfao you’re entire comment history is you complaining about US mains. Calling us mains babies is hilarious. Look at germany they create like a 1000 reddit posts every time a new update comes out and they don’t get their precious PZH2000. Look at Russian players. They cried for days and ARE ACTIVELY STILL crying about getting there auto loader’s modeled . Cope harder lmfao.
"The most overpowered plane ever added"
*you must be new here.*
People who flew it in DCS understand that a nerf was already needed.
Indeed, human aircraft don't fly like this thing on the release
agreed
Yeah not even close, the war thunder f15e is a ufo😂
Well this plane does not lose speed while climbing in DCS
@Arda0zkan it is fast, but not as fast. Try to pull 8-9g at high alt, you'll see a drastic speed decrease. In wt it accelerated. Also try to accelerate up to mach2 with am full aim120 load. Eventually, you'll get there, but afterwards a long time and a lot of fuel burnt. In wt it accelerated to Mach 2 in about 3 minutes
Thank christ
I just want everything in WT to be as accurate to real life as possible.
Wasn’t it totally breaking the laws of physics before? Like, totally different from its IRL equivalent?
You mean like the Su-34 fully laden doing 180s to shoot people out of the sky?
@@kennybewley4420 whatabouttism at its finest
@@kennybewley4420 which is completely useless because it doesnt get HMD
breaking the laws of physics is what warthunder does on a daily basis
@@sotilaskarkuri I mean you do get the WTC sized lock box which to an extent acts like an HMD
quick to nerf a op US vehicle while it took them months to nerf the KA 50, KA 52, SU25SM3, 2s6, Pantsir oh wait that vehicle still is op
The problem is it just won't do what it's supposed to be able to. It can't even get close to its supposed top speed. With an empty load out and low fuel it will barely break 1600mph the most I've seen is 1604mph. I have no problem with nerfing it but when you make it slower change the status card because it's just lying when it's listed at 1668. Same as the F15c.
You need very specific conditions , with alt and temp afaik
Still insanely OP compared to the trash Su-27SM.
It’s insanely op compared to everything still
so ye lets add su-57 and give it r37m lol
@@mrm9069 Honestly SU-57 might come with the 4.5+ jets as it would be VERY unpowered if included with 5th gen jets, even going off official russian reports it doesn't hold a candle to the likes of a F-22 or J-20
of course only after people spent golden eagles to get it, oh the greed
If your stupid enough to GE a brand new vehicle you know is gonna over preform and are shocked when it gets nerfed, you deserve it lmao
Yes like why ge a plane that you know is busted. Its like buying a house on fire!
You dare to wear the portrait of Frederick the Great while complaining about being outdone by the likes of Gaijin?
How are people buying it with ge??
@@KingOfTheCrabz I am not surprised nor did I spend golden eagles on it, this is not the issue. gaijin release a broken op plane the ruins everyone else's fun for a quick buck and it just gross.
This is why we needed 15.0 yesterday.
Good. This thing was fucking overpowered and had ungodly amounts of thrust
just like the simulations
I think its sad that my favourite irl plane gets nerfed but it's definitely fair
Well it's closer to your favourite plane irl now
@specc_s1452 true
This thing shouldn't even be able to cruise to mach 2 with the wing pylons because of the drag so good change
"What it should have" i mean.. are we talking about the game or the plane? Cause that statement right there my man, will trigger more leaks... lol
Rather then nerfing, bring the Flankers and Fulcrums upto their irl standards and weapons performance, and expand the BR. Comeon Gayjin its not that complicated!
F15E was comically over performing though
Fulcrums and Flankers to their irl standards..... so you want them to barely be able to get of the ground?
@@Viper31300 So you think they can't even take off? LMAO The Fulcrum caused Viper pilots to shit bricks, and the USA had to build a new 5th gen aircraft to compete against the Flankers.
Its still the fastest jetXD From around 22 secs it takes around 33 secs to accelerate up to mach 2 if I am not mistaken. Correct me if im wrong
Feels the fastest still to me yes. Maybe the F111F could be faster?
@ didn’t think of F111F. Good catch
This didn't effect me, still the greatest plane I've flown
oh no now it can't go Mach tauh in 25 seconds it will take 33 to go Mach tauhhh!!! 7 second more nooo what nerfgive me break
A little more of a nerf than that, but yeah lol
@@SeekerHead yeah lets take away 1 of its engines or its missiles to be equal as russian fighters, lol ur lefts logic is so fucking broken dude
Spot on with the "turkey feathers", they are a maintenance nightmare, but in Air Arcade....Bahahahahahaha!!!!!...who cares about maintenance.
some US mains still tryna defend how it was, they just cant live with a plane thats simply best in the game, they need op shit
Same could be said by russian tankies that wanted its fancy R-77 to overperform like the R-27ER, but come on, it's way easier to just earn some ez likes and gratification on the generic complain, it really shows.
where are these American mains saying this your fighting ghosts dude
@@LTFP-fw3itI’ve Fr seen none. Just tankies crying.
@@exhausting_thoughts take your meds.
Imo this is the perfect F-15E, this nerf was needed but hopefully Gaijin doesn't nerf it more.
don't worry, the only vehicles gaijin likes to nerf in top tier are the mig 29's and su27's flight model
F-15EX...
@@francogaray2649 Yeah, as a US main it’s kind of unfair that the FMs of the Su-27 and Mig-29s are gimped.
@@monke25624as a player that just plays whatever including ussr and usa, yes, wish flight models were better
atp flight models won’t really change much when everything is bvr
just started playing this game two weeks ago to unlock the f15. it's my favorite 4th gen fighter.
see you in 5 years lol
I started playing almost 2 years ago from scratch to get the F-14A. I just hit rank 7 with the first F4 Phantom. Now there’s the F-14 B lol. But I’m also spading and filling out my lineup at every BR rank too so that’s why.
this is both sad and wholesome
@@dominic412 I'm on the f5e right now and having fun with that should get to the f15 in about a week
@@thejhonnie yo mama
Not that changing a planes FM days after the update is anything new, nor are new bugs.
But when are we going to hold the devs accountable to release a polished product, without being delayed 3-4 weeks just to still need FM changes and bugs in the game.
Like Seek said, they seem to use the information gained from the dev server very inefficiently, and the changes dont always come before the update comes, which makes absolutely no sense.
Good, yesterday was crazy... I ended up playing my Phantom II's.
What makes it better than the f-15c in air realistic now or how big is the difference
It's still an F15C with more engine power. That's pretty much it. So yeah it's better than the 15C by a little bit but they're quite similar in play style. The extra power just makes life easier
Also has AIM 120Bs, idk if they're much better than the As
AIM120 A and B are identical on the game.
In real life, the only difference was a logistical change that allows the aim120B to be updated easily without as much disassembly of the missile to access the card.
I just want the flankers fixed man
Best plane. gets nerfed
and now the best plane is the f15e!!!
I wouldnt mind the f 15e as it was if they would remove the nerf to russian top tier air and give us better missiles.
that thrust to weight ratio is still meta of meta
Hey. Could you go back to the Mirage 2000 ? It finally got its counter measures fixed, which makes it much better in my opinion
This thing is a complete menace in Ground RB
>nerfed
>still mach 1.7 when by the time he's shooting missiles
The flight perf envelope was completely out of a realistic shape before the nerf so this was obviously coming.
So glad I haven’t spent ge on this at all the only people mad are the ones who spent ge to get it and for me I have the f15c already so I’m not really worried about the nerf
I see you got classified documents pls do continue
man watching top tier is like watching paint dry
10:29 bro why we gotta bully the Viggen 😂
He’s the last guy. Can’t take the missiles home with me
@ true. My mans just out here vibing, enjoying his $80 premium to get absolutely orbital striked like he playing GTA online. 😂😂
It was nerfed on the dev server though. It was originally going to have the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220s. American mains complained hard enough about the F-15E having weaker engines that they changed them to the F100-PW-229s. I wonder why they were gonna give it weaker engines to begin with? 🤔
Idk but it’s funny the Israeli f15E had the PW-229’s off rip and they thought yeah I don’t think American players will mind if they get the weak engines for theirs when hundreds of F15E’s have the 229’s installed.
Where are then complaining us mains all I see are Russian mains complaining
@@LTFP-fw3it back on the dev server US mains were crying about the F-15E having weaker engines while the F-15I had the PW-229s from the start (because it was built with the 229s in mind irl).
They probably wanted to see how the stronger engines would have preformed on a F-15 in a nation that isn’t entirely common, but after all the cope on the forums they caved and gave the E the 229s, turning it into a biblically accurate F-15 which is ridiculous when you consider all the other aircraft that are artificially gimped in some way.
Atleast your jet wasnt nerfed on the dev server then like every single russian plane since apex predators!!!
God forbid america gets the best versions of any of their own planes
America never has the best version of their own planes. We sell them off and other countries upgrade them.
With the turkey feather exhaust on the F15I for example, we decided not to put them on to save money. The Israelis did.
@@SeekerHead Yes fair enough I guess. Just a bit annoying when I see Israel get the better version of every top tier we get. Don't get me started on how they add a plane from 2006 (Su-34) and a plane from 1972/ 1985 (F-15A/E) instead of one from 2011 (F-15 advanced eagle) I'm pretty sure america's newest plane is from before the 90's
and I know I'm being the average America main, but goodness gracious.
@@vorpalmachinethe flankers are already underperforming as they are, adding even more op shit for america because theyre at the same time period doesnt make sense
@@99eryaydude93 I understand it. but all im gonna say is, maybe russia /USSR shouldve made better shit.
You should do another vid on the Gripen! Specifically the C Gripen from Sweden
I think the F-15E's speed would've been less of a problem if all the other planes didn't softlock at lower speeds as well
That's what gaijin did all the time, making soviet vehicle supremacy
You’re cooked of u think Russian air is on top rn
@@SeekerHead Most of the maps are small and it let soviet jet have a try on it even their radar sucks
god forbid soviets get a try at the game and not get railed by NATO jets every single game???
:Us mains when they have to stop playing the best plane in the game and have to settle for the best plane in the game:
@@SeekerHead Of course if everyone play the game like you in the vid surely can beat most of the soviet jets, but many players are play for chill, not extrem tryhard. For me, soviet jets if playing in close range(especially the ARB will suddenly let enemy see your name for no reason.), it got very good performance with it.
I mean at altitude doing Mach 2 was realistic but I suppose we never do get the realistic flight models of any American airframes I feel like it was modeled pretty realistically after flying it and reading flight manuals on it and other documents before the “nerf” tho it looks like it will still be a dominant fighter in the game
Mach 2 basically never happens in real life. Aircraft top speeds are tested and recorded under very unrealistic scenarios that would never apply to a combat airplane.
That said, the F15Es top speed is Mach 2.33 anwyay
it's still amazing and performs like an ufo still, it's just not an sr-71 with Missles anymore
It took them 3-4 years to move the ka50 to a higher BR, It used to sit at 10.0 and was the curse of heli pvp.
Are you happy now?
Please dont cry another nation mains, and you Seek, who encouraged the others to cry.
I mainly blame you Seek, you big ,,content creator" who thinks of himself that all his words are sacred.
Just go for it, we dont needed this unrealistic nerf. I have american, russian, italian, german, sweeden top tier fighter jets, but if currently 1 nation is stronger then i dont cry.
The top speed of F15E 2.5 Mach, it taken to reach 30-40 km distance at 11 km altitude to reach it with no Cft fuel tank, this was realistic.
After the nerf it taken 50 km dist to reach 2.1 Match with no Cft Fuel tank, this is not realistic.
it isnt unrealstic. you're brain dead if you think ANY jet can ACCELERATE at mach 2.3 10000m altitude while pulling 9Gs.
F15E is STILL the best jet in the game
@SeekerHead I dont said that, I said now the jet cant reach top speed, only max 2 match in 40 km Distance, with no CFT fuel tanks, only 20 min Fuel.
The F15E top speed irl 2.5 match.
In the game now you canT reach the real top speed of the Jet in the straight line with light loadout, few fuel.
First think about who is the real braindread, (You can't interpet a text) then speak.
top speed in game: machg 2.33
top speed irl: mach 2.3
These arew figures assuming standard day conditions. i have the chart of unrestricited data. you can add me on discord if u want to see it. the top speed is NOT mach 2.5
And yes, you said the nerf is "unrealisitc" that implies you think it was more realsitic before the nerf, when it was accelerating at 9G pulls doing mach 2.3.
My dad flew f-15c and he said before they got the 229 engines and the e already had them in a straight level flight the difference in performance was not very noticeable
so they buff the f15e too much to please US main in game
Thank GOD
That was a balance not a nerf fr!
Not even balanced still 💀
With all your complaining there gunna make it just a f15c with more bombs ... @@SeekerHead
@@Thebigdrop24god for bid them makeing strike aircraft do there intended role and not play as a fighter
@@bastianfarstvede8634 F-15E is a multirole fighter, and is better then the F-15C at BVR, as it should be. There is a reason for the F-15EX being based on the F-15E airframe and not the F-15C airframe, its not called F-15CX.
Do i go for the f15c then instead? (i am a lot closer to it, than the f15e) also considering how the f15e might get nerfed even further
F15E is still betetr for now
@@SeekerHead Okay, thank you
Thank God, that was game breaking OP.
I’m still having flashbacks from the puma smh
They always wait for people to throw ge at busted vehicles to balance it later :D They had almost a month of delay to tweak this plane
Finally i might be able to play this thing without that feeling of playing something, that doesn't have a counter
Ive lost hope in Top tier Air where playing American Jets for me is like comparing a 2015 Mustang to a 1999 SAAB for Russia. Sure its a car that works the same but the umph just ain't there with the modern tech aswell.
Im more concerned about ground battles rn, after this patch when playing the SU27SM in ground with a CAS loudaout, I cannot use anything at all, as in the button for firing missiles/flares/chaff/locking TV missiles or Bombs does not work at all but in Air RB it does work fully even in Test it works however it does not work at all in Ground battles for somereason. First I thought it was a Chinese hacker boy but now trying it out on 5 different games without being able to use it I am very certain that this is a game issue.
My buttons have not been reset nor have they been changed they are exactly the same as I've had for over half a year now and it still don't wanna work at all... Its very frustrating seeing a J10A and trying to fire missiles at him with a full on 2 minute chase of me right behind him spamming my missile fire button but nothing happens which is just stupid.
If you don't believe me I can send proof cuz this is just wack....
man, i have grown as a person. i saw this jet was the way it was and i never bought it through GE, i did nothing. i still wont play, gaijun can kiss my rear
Can't believe they managed to nerf natoid
Top Speed - Mach 2.5 (1,650 mph)
Thrust - 50000 (25000 per engine)
Weight - 37,500 lb naked, 81,000 lb max takeoff
Hotel
Trivago
The PW-229 engines are 29,000lb per engine not 25,000
@@ICECAPPEDSKY Blame google
Anyways, if it's 29000 per engine, then its 58000 combined
according to my friend who tested this
the nerfed f15e can no longer reach mach 2.5 in a straight line anymore
it reaches mach 2.3, its irl top speed is 2.33. close enough
Bruh I brought a tailsman for F15I last day and finished stock grind in 3 or 4 hours. Honestly it was really much op before nerfed, you can just flew to a much much higher alt and speed when the other planes are still climbing. But in GRB, western jets are really unplayable after the nerf on their RWRs, USSR with pantsir and su34 just could smash the top tier GRB, and they never get a huge nerf
imagine spending your time doing charity work by testing the game for some lambo driving CEO, while the grind on the real server is waiting for you
This is terrible. German mains would never understand our pain for this nerf.
Hey SEEK , PLEASE make a video about removing "AN/APX-80/81 Combat Tree" from F-4E phantom in new update...
Meanwhile the su 34 with 10 missles 8 of them are r77 is at 13.3
Oh no wonder i could semi keep up with the f15e in my c now
Can you modify your decal so the eagle and the sidewinder are facing the same way?
I'm not sure what you mean? The eagle is catching the sidewinder out of the air, so it has to be perpendicular to the missile
@@SeekerHead They mean to ask if you could make the missile face the left (or the bird and missile face right). Idk, I like how it looks now
So irl the F-15E is really a constant mach 2.5 plane?
No plane irl ever gets to Mach 2 in practical situations. You should read into how top speeds are measured and tested. It’s very unrealistic and will never happen in actual combat situations.
That said, F15Es top speed is Mach 2.33
I see they also added Critial damage to the kill feed thats probably overdue too😅
min 5:17 .. 8-9g sustain rate at mach 1,45 at 23000 ft, with 5 AIM-120. Nerfed? 😂
Don’t worry US players will still complain
That moment when gaijin wants so bad for a russian plane to be the best in the game, but the F-15E is just better than any of them and they can't do too much to take away from its realism.
I researched it in 2days hoping to get in on the fun but here we are. :(
It’s still great!
Its still amazing, it aint as crazy as before but its amazing.
Does the F-15I (new Israeli F-15) got nerfed too or just the F-15E?
both
but they refuse to drop the su39 down to 10.7 because it is subsonic at 11.7
That should never happen.
@@calimdonmorgul7206 why
@@lukro. R-73s vs 9.7s ? are you NUTS ? ...
@@Asghaad oh because its fair going up against f14s when the su39 has its wings rip at mach .84
@@lukro. by that logic the A-10C and its aim-9ms should go down to 10.7 aswell?
Man i was so excited i have barely grinded it out
It’s still the best
same bro
It’s still good 😂😂😂
Where can I see the changelog? Also, is the Israel version nerfed as well?
Israel is nerfed yes. Ping me on discord I’ll send it to you
OH NO, a nerf I couldn't care less about cause I still get to fly the F-15E
Can i use the discount if im from Sony?
Yes, KilaWestGaming has a tutorial how to do it on console accounts
Thank god it got nerfed? So now jets at its br can actually catch up and face it normally? Whats so bad about flying the best plane at its br which is still the best at its br after the nerf
And now they bugged it so if you have bombs there are issues with launching missiles and dropping countermeasures when above mach ive found
it has been reported
Idk why ppl GE a plane instead if grindingint it then complain it gets nerfed even though you should be expecting a nerf
because the game is literally designed to make you do that ... maybe not the unlock itself but the insane PAIN that is the stock grind is DESIGNED to make you suffer so much you will pay to skip that pain ...
Why they gave it the AIM-120B is beyond me. As if AIM-120A wasn't already the best Fox-3 and least give Russians something to counter it like R-77M or R-27EM
aim 120b has 0 differeneces with the aim120a
yeah but like it’s still faster than the C I bet and the aim120b combination it’s still the best plane in the game but less like op. The change was like basically zero impact😂
Notice bro not responding to comments calling out Gaijin for nerfing it AFTER all the whales GE'd it like he uses to in his videos.
Dude has really sold his soul to this company. Another creator bites the dust it seems.
idk what you're talking about, they do this literally every update. if you don't expect that by now and GE stuff on launch without thinking that it will likely be changed, that's on you. I dont sympathize with someone silly enough to be so impulsive
Do you think Gaijin bribes creators or something?
@@SeekerHead Case and point right here. Yet another creator bought out by the company to tell the playerbase that they're the ones in the wrong. It's sad really. Hope the best for you bud, but not going to stick around and watch this channel that I and others used to love fall into a hole.
Good, find somewhere else to complain about. I’m one of the most critical gaijin content creators in the game. You just want to bitch for the sake of bitching 👎🏻
It was all a big plan, get people excited cause it’s so good then after people spend resources on it and they make money they nerf it to hell. I hate war thunder devs with a passion
Average Gaijin’s greedy movement.
We all se gajin's plan to make more money here. They were waiting for people to buy it for GE just so they can nerf it, TF?
how do you change targets so fast on your radar?
Switch target to lock key