First Take reacts to L.A. Times' controversial article on Kim Mulkey & LSU

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  • Опубліковано 31 бер 2024
  • Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe join First Take to express their disappointment in the L.A. Times' article painting Kim Mulkey and the LSU Tigers as "villains" while using controversial language.
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  • @dionruffin3996
    @dionruffin3996 Місяць тому +66

    I feel like LSU and Iowa are bringing out people’s real feelings about life not just sports

    • @MatthewBretton-cu2el
      @MatthewBretton-cu2el Місяць тому

      Bringing out ? Racist whites already acting on their hate... you just haven't been paying attention
      As a white guy I was appalled to learn that black babies have 3x mortality rate with white doctors vs black doctors. The same discrepancy does not occur with black doctors .. Google it. .. someone will say I'm pushing hate for telling the truth !!!!

    • @geoffowens4926
      @geoffowens4926 Місяць тому +3

      Couldn't agree with you more.

    • @ramario6195
      @ramario6195 Місяць тому +1

      Yep

    • @laneymoses2277
      @laneymoses2277 Місяць тому

      Orange Man

    • @musablue
      @musablue Місяць тому

      💯💯💯

  • @Bobbytheman98
    @Bobbytheman98 Місяць тому +633

    The article pretty much tried to incite some type of culture war like what

    • @Rushking20
      @Rushking20 Місяць тому +20

      Wait till the game tonight gon look like civil war 2

    • @erikdayne5429
      @erikdayne5429 Місяць тому +9

      Oh ffs she enabled her team to be classless and disrespectful and they got called out for it. Maybe hop off the victim parade for 30 seconds and learn how to take accountability for your own behavior. Nobody is talking about any other teams as “good vs evil”, and that’s not a coincidence, and it’s certainly not racism or sexism.

    • @handsomestik
      @handsomestik Місяць тому +3

      media? incite? NAAAWWW

    • @breonmitchell2443
      @breonmitchell2443 Місяць тому +4

      4 ucla starters are black

    • @kendreviusclincy4377
      @kendreviusclincy4377 Місяць тому +17

      @@Rushking20nah fr Iowa and Louisiana, and I’m from Mississippi and have felt that lsu and Iowa last year had more to do with white vs black then actually basketball, and both teams are great and loving

  • @patrickpowell601
    @patrickpowell601 Місяць тому +631

    I googled it, and my SafeSearch wouldn’t even render it. LA Times is DISGUSTING for that article

    • @tonth1383
      @tonth1383 Місяць тому +45

      I Googled it without safe search and dirty debutantes is "XXXXXX" rated, if you get my meaning.

    • @Dixon_Cider407
      @Dixon_Cider407 Місяць тому

      My wife thought I was googling spank material when I googled it smh

    • @deekbosko
      @deekbosko Місяць тому +27

      Yeah, I got adult film results too.

    • @Raymitox
      @Raymitox Місяць тому +19

      Just googled it. Jesus Christ, people need to chill.

    • @Ck-py9oi
      @Ck-py9oi Місяць тому +2

      It led to phub

  • @kingxavierlovely
    @kingxavierlovely Місяць тому +278

    Milk and Cookies vs Hot Sauce... not only was it sexist, it was straight up racist. guess they just let anyone become a writer nowadays. Big up Hailey Van Lith for being real about the article. Mulkey, even though she called it out, didn't blast the racist portion of it.

    • @christinac.3973
      @christinac.3973 Місяць тому +12

      Bingo!!!

    • @millionairemillennial86
      @millionairemillennial86 Місяць тому +13

      Her players need to tell her to address the racist part of it.

    • @TJrules299
      @TJrules299 Місяць тому

      @@millionairemillennial86nah. It’s her job to do it. Black ppl shouldn’t have to point out racism to white ppl. She’s not dumb.

    • @invisobill2125
      @invisobill2125 Місяць тому +8

      Because y’all are obsessed with race?

    • @thomasdr08
      @thomasdr08 Місяць тому +12

      Like Unc pointed out, they may as well have gone full-on Don Imus. They crossed the threshold, just used more “flowery” language. Fkn disgusting

  • @KNByam
    @KNByam Місяць тому +334

    Good vs Evil? How did that get passed the editor?

    • @jusbertmeza4424
      @jusbertmeza4424 Місяць тому +20

      Fr 😂 and LA Times publishing it is WILD 😂

    • @That85Scorpio
      @That85Scorpio Місяць тому +26

      The Editor(s) believed that nonsense obviously

    • @soda8736
      @soda8736 Місяць тому +4

      Welk the " good" in this case were mostly black just like the " evil" was so how is this racist?

    • @patricknicholson1318
      @patricknicholson1318 Місяць тому +2

      @@jusbertmeza4424its la times, what yall expect lmao

    • @stephenpamon4162
      @stephenpamon4162 Місяць тому +4

      @@soda8736 but It’s still a crazy title for a sports page

  • @cubfan1945
    @cubfan1945 Місяць тому +366

    I agree with Shannon - Kim Mulkey has her problems, but this was uncalled for. And never, ever, ever say that kind of nasty stuff about the athletes. (And I'm an Iowa fan).

    • @SamuraiFoochs
      @SamuraiFoochs Місяць тому +27

      That's the thing that's so crazy. You can dislike a team without being sexist and racist, but apparently that was too much to ask for for the dude who wrote this initial column. Sheesh.

    • @NicholasNewbill
      @NicholasNewbill Місяць тому +5

      I am genuinely curious, what problems does Kim Mulkey have? I think Shannon only said he was not a fan of hers. From my personal perspective the only thing people do not like about her is her lack of filter. I don't see that as a problem but her personality, which is OK for anyone to dislike or not be a fan of. Thanks, and good luck tonight!

    • @breonmitchell2443
      @breonmitchell2443 Місяць тому

      GOD said white men is devil people need just see that as fact attacking young women its pure evil

    • @eliera6403
      @eliera6403 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@NicholasNewbilland ima fan of kim from a bball perspective but outside of that idk it'd shaky brother

    • @MarkHarper-ek8ss
      @MarkHarper-ek8ss Місяць тому

      😅😅😅

  • @dondrenkemet8675
    @dondrenkemet8675 Місяць тому +58

    The “ bosses” must of told them not to use the word racism lol.

  • @king2781
    @king2781 Місяць тому +135

    This had zero to do with them being women and 100 percent with majority of the players being black. The LA Times said “Let’s give them some of that Jim Crow,” racism

    • @SKTV1991
      @SKTV1991 Місяць тому +11

      Facts

    • @Dante3X
      @Dante3X Місяць тому +6

      💯🎯✊🏾

    • @MiguelSosa-oo6ww
      @MiguelSosa-oo6ww Місяць тому +1

      So the only victims are the black female players here ?😂😂

    • @N.a.j.i.
      @N.a.j.i. Місяць тому

      I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS SURPRISING?!? SOME WHITES really think we are below them. They chained us and fought laws that were attempted to be put in place to even the playing field!! UNTIL THEIR MINDS/VIEWS OF US CHANGE, it is what it is!! SIDEBAR: HOW MANY CENTURIES HAS IT BEEN?!?

    • @frankjum
      @frankjum Місяць тому +11

      @@MiguelSosa-oo6ww
      No. However the statement was made because of the strong presence of the black players on the team.

  • @damorickwoods2939
    @damorickwoods2939 Місяць тому +149

    LSU players should sue the LA times for slandering there names

    • @AR-uz6kq
      @AR-uz6kq Місяць тому +2

      💯💯💯

    • @erikdayne5429
      @erikdayne5429 Місяць тому +4

      Yeah the problem with that is to win a slander lawsuit you need to prove what was said was wrong. All the LA Times would need to do is show a highlight reel of LSU players taunting their opponents and the judge would throw the case out.

    • @grobble8954
      @grobble8954 Місяць тому

      Mulkey is trash and recruits players of the same mentality. Mulkey is one of the most disgusting people, as a person, to ever coach. Anybody that plays for her now knowing her history, it says a lot about them & nothing good. She is pure scum.

    • @millionairemillennial86
      @millionairemillennial86 Місяць тому

      I would!

    • @jakefavre
      @jakefavre Місяць тому +1

      They'd have to get in line

  • @tavahbenyah9600
    @tavahbenyah9600 Місяць тому +316

    That’s because it’s more blacks on LSU let’s just state the facts

    • @jaesonburd7165
      @jaesonburd7165 Місяць тому

      Of course, the mainstream press continues its agenda to get blacks out of basketball. You hit the black nail on the black head .

    • @imhereforitall9218
      @imhereforitall9218 Місяць тому

      It was racist at worst and the paper was ready for whatever back lash was to come. They wanted the publicity and was ready to fight the supposed anti-woke agenda.

    • @vincent5318
      @vincent5318 Місяць тому +38

      You said what everyone has been avoiding.

    • @gthigpen6989
      @gthigpen6989 Місяць тому +8

      What game did you watch? Don't you know a black girl when you see one? Betts is biracial. Rice is biracial. The shooting guard is black. UCLA 3, LSU 4 starting lineup. UCLA has a Hispanic guard, Jaquez.

    • @sundayperez1742
      @sundayperez1742 Місяць тому

      She is homophobic

  • @ShadomanG
    @ShadomanG Місяць тому +291

    Unfortunately, anyone w/sense saw this brewing last yr after LSU’s title. Vilifying LSU, Angel Reese & co & glorying Clarke. Both ladies are competitors & it should be left at that smh 💯

    • @limitedbom2206
      @limitedbom2206 Місяць тому +14

      LSU players definitely played up the antics to earn that villain label. It happens all the time in college basketball, strong team with players leaning into the antics gets hate. The most well known are usually the white guy on Duke teams, Christian Laettner, JJ Redick, Grayson Allen, etc. Those guys played it up and were the villains.

    • @ShadomanG
      @ShadomanG Місяць тому +31

      @@limitedbom2206 They adopted that stance only after it was clear that the main focus was NOT on them & all predicated upon the lower seed in Iowa & Caitlyn Clark. Don’t blame them for feeling disrespected if or when their team was better all season long w/less media coverage. Merely pointing out the media creates all of this-Case & Point. Media is/was out of line for this article here

    • @keenannorris3309
      @keenannorris3309 Місяць тому +16

      @@limitedbom2206 They played up to it no more than Clark herself did. Clark's antics are numerous and recorded for anybody to see. That said, Clark herself was never the problem. She's a great player and competitor and she never had a problem w/ LSU, as she herself said. Her fans are another story...

    • @limitedbom2206
      @limitedbom2206 Місяць тому +6

      ​@@keenannorris3309 I agree, Caitlin did the same thing. I think people let her slide because she was a major underdog going up against a powerhouse team. I don't remember an underdog showboating getting hate in the past so it doesn't surprise me. At least, that's my guess.

    • @limitedbom2206
      @limitedbom2206 Місяць тому +6

      @@ShadomanG It's not surprising though, all the media attention went to the girl carrying her teams offense game after game. Then that iowa team ran into a brick wall in LSU. But that definitely pushed that label more in my opinion. When the clearly superior team smacks the underdog down and then starts antagonizing them/the fans, it is a one way ticket to villain status.
      But I'm definitely fine with LSU talking their stuff. By all means, if you're feeling disrespected, you should go out and speak on it. You know how good you are, go dominate.

  • @flex2timez
    @flex2timez Місяць тому +275

    They should’ve put the writer on blast

    • @s.k.o.e.2191
      @s.k.o.e.2191 Місяць тому +26

      Thats what i mean. Put the name out there

    • @78Ford351
      @78Ford351 Місяць тому +29

      @@s.k.o.e.2191Ben Bolch beat writer for ucla. As an alumn and huge supporter of our basketball program I’m disgusted and appalled. Let’s get this clown fired. I can take over the column 💯✍🏽

    • @user-jh5wv3oo1l
      @user-jh5wv3oo1l Місяць тому +14

      Is it the writer alone? I think the editor owes some explanation and is definitely culpable.

    • @jml5100
      @jml5100 Місяць тому +4

      ​@user-jh5wv3oo1l sure, but letting it pass by your desk is not the same level of awful as spending your time writing it up. What's going on in that creeps mind?

    • @smileyortiz5627
      @smileyortiz5627 Місяць тому +4

      I mean the writer wrote it, but it went through mamy levels saying it was okay im more mad at the editors and the paper in general.

  • @ball4real493
    @ball4real493 Місяць тому +206

    All of this because the "white team" lost to the "black team" in last year's championship game. This just goes to show just how far we have not come in regards to racism.

    • @chrismalik1579
      @chrismalik1579 Місяць тому +15

      Exactly

    • @jasonhill2348
      @jasonhill2348 Місяць тому

      @@chrismalik1579shut up

    • @johnklein6040
      @johnklein6040 Місяць тому

      It was a lot better before Obama became President. And now it's the democrats and Joe Biden that love their racial division.

    • @erikdayne5429
      @erikdayne5429 Місяць тому

      As long as people are using racism and sexism as an excuse to not be held accountable for their actions, we’ll still have a long way to go

    • @MR.CHARACTER23
      @MR.CHARACTER23 Місяць тому +4

      Stop whining. What are you going to do about it?

  • @mickeyblueyes
    @mickeyblueyes Місяць тому +91

    Editor should be fired and blacklisted from journalism

  • @katiehallan8542
    @katiehallan8542 Місяць тому +103

    Shannon had perfect analogy with the “objection sustained”. This article was so bad on so many levels :(

    • @jeyrock5559
      @jeyrock5559 Місяць тому +3

      No,He should have used the analogy of "Striking" the statement. After it was already said.

  • @fabmyride5181
    @fabmyride5181 Місяць тому +43

    I googled it and couldn't click a single link, looking at the description. Disgusting for a journal to publish that.

    • @TurboAcura2
      @TurboAcura2 Місяць тому +1

      If it was ever posted but deleted it's still there. Search it up on the way back machine. It's internet archives

  • @lamar310
    @lamar310 Місяць тому +86

    Took out my phone and Googled it...took me straight to corn websites. That's the real reason the LA Times switched up and backtracked

    • @noble604
      @noble604 Місяць тому +10

      😞Are we really to believe they didn’t know that when they said it? 🙄 They play so dumb when called out. Imagine running everything and also saying “we didn’t know.” Words are your literal business. 👌

    • @kingsolstemp
      @kingsolstemp Місяць тому

      👀😮

    • @charlenebriddell2051
      @charlenebriddell2051 Місяць тому

      💯 truth. Disheartening to refer to woman of color in this manner.

  • @TC10394
    @TC10394 Місяць тому +351

    LA Times just pissed their team lost. What a bunch of losers.

    • @tonth1383
      @tonth1383 Місяць тому +26

      That article came out before the game

    • @richardmillee7116
      @richardmillee7116 Місяць тому +6

      @@tonth1383That article was trying to derail the LSU Team😢

    • @grobble8954
      @grobble8954 Місяць тому

      @@richardmillee7116Mulkey is trash and recruits players of the same mentality. Mulkey is one of the most disgusting people, as a person, to ever coach. Anybody that plays for her now knowing her history, it says a lot about them & nothing good. She is pure scum.

    • @gturcott1
      @gturcott1 Місяць тому +1

      Yes now that was trash journalism but the Washington post was not

    • @rossy2976
      @rossy2976 Місяць тому

      USC or UCLA?

  • @XPXhumble
    @XPXhumble Місяць тому +93

    I google it took me straight to the Hub that's crazy they were even allowed to write that about young girls like that

    • @billyyank5807
      @billyyank5807 Місяць тому +3

      They are adults. Not young girls 😂 goodness.

    • @Supafreshh
      @Supafreshh Місяць тому +4

      😂😂😂😂 st to the hub

    • @fcc950
      @fcc950 Місяць тому +15

      @@billyyank5807not true and if it was, why would it be justified then?

    • @sakpase88
      @sakpase88 Місяць тому

      ​@@billyyank5807so makes it better 🤔

    • @mzbatonrougebeauty5267
      @mzbatonrougebeauty5267 Місяць тому +9

      ​@@billyyank5807so that's ok?

  • @Carmela-bixoxo
    @Carmela-bixoxo Місяць тому +197

    It's also racist

    • @AntonioFerguson-ym3kh
      @AntonioFerguson-ym3kh Місяць тому +6

      I totally agree

    • @lovemycity420
      @lovemycity420 Місяць тому +8

      I’m trying to figure out how it’s sexist…. Guess racist would have been too much like right😂

    • @noble604
      @noble604 Місяць тому

      lovemycity - the same way affirmative action is mainly for whíte women. Kim can throw herself in this if it’s sexism but she won’t stand there and take the bullets for calling out racísts

    • @disguiseddv8ant486
      @disguiseddv8ant486 Місяць тому +2

      It's not racist. It was uncalled for to say but not racist. That slang term is meant for any female.

    • @johnmartin5520
      @johnmartin5520 Місяць тому

      Thank you

  • @USSEnterprise-vc9yf
    @USSEnterprise-vc9yf Місяць тому +127

    We’ve come so far since Rutgers. Oh, wait, no we haven’t. The one thing you can’t do in America is call a racist a racist. The nerve

    • @BrainSmith-eb7xk
      @BrainSmith-eb7xk Місяць тому +6

      We should've stayed separated💯

    • @brentgamble-vl8us
      @brentgamble-vl8us Місяць тому +12

      ​@@BrainSmith-eb7xk
      Fine... I'm a 1619 Generational Legacy Son of enslaved Africans of America 🇺🇸... Our community will gladly take 15% of American wealth & military and return to Africa.... Taxation with Representation based on Generational Legacy in America 🇺🇸

    • @channingchills
      @channingchills Місяць тому +2

      Who’s racist?

    • @CoolazaFan
      @CoolazaFan Місяць тому

      Anything California disagree with they immediately call sexist, racist, etc...

    • @erikdayne5429
      @erikdayne5429 Місяць тому +3

      But apparently you can act with absolutely no class or respect and when you get called out you can just use racism and sexism as an excuse

  • @kecenergy
    @kecenergy Місяць тому +18

    It’s crazy cuz UCLA has black women on there team from Compton south central and Inglewood so the article is just weird cuz both 80% of all the girls are blk on both teams

  • @CoachRJ334
    @CoachRJ334 Місяць тому +104

    I am not a fan of Mulkey either but I am a fan of right and wrong and in this matter Coach Mulkey is spot on right .....

    • @soda8736
      @soda8736 Місяць тому

      Just because she said something is racist all you are on her side, so predictable

    • @CoachRJ334
      @CoachRJ334 Місяць тому

      @@soda8736 F word you stay off my feed go find somebody else feed to comment your negative thoughts and opinion .... 🗣️🗣️

    • @dealz5197
      @dealz5197 Місяць тому

      ​​@@soda8736 Just because you wrote something don't mean we can call you a dumb idiot...

    • @ibelieve96
      @ibelieve96 Місяць тому +11

      @@soda8736she didn’t even say racist she said sexist

    • @breonmitchell2443
      @breonmitchell2443 Місяць тому

      Stephen a smith give me uncle tom vibes said if usa today said this dont see structure these demon monsters white men la times put this out how lsu be villian they won national championship 😂😂😂Guy said White people create stuff in there on perspective look all around world study history white men killed everybody destroyed cultures created perspective how want world see them as Good😂😂😂reality they Devil😂

  • @marsgordeuk
    @marsgordeuk Місяць тому +449

    I have huge respect for LSU, but it feels to me that both Mulkey & Angel Reese have become targets since they won last year.
    Over 400 likes. Thank you. GO HAWKS!!!

    • @Zenigundam
      @Zenigundam Місяць тому +30

      Angel Reese threatened the first lady last year, was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team this past fall, and taunted the UCLA bench in her last game. Apparently, she hasn't learned her lesson. The refs need to keep an eye on her aggressive behavior and call the Iowa game correctly.

    • @aimeesimoneaux6197
      @aimeesimoneaux6197 Місяць тому +21

      They have been targets and it’s a shame! She’s a great coach and will go to all lengths to protect her girls! Y’all are all wrong about Angel Reese! She’s a great leader of this team! STOP IT! The only difference between CC and AR is color! STOP IT!

    • @billeh60
      @billeh60 Місяць тому +2

      Respect Angel Reese after she taunted Caitlyn Clark who basically played them 1v5? That was my first time being introduced to her so she’s never had my respect

    • @kencbfw
      @kencbfw Місяць тому

      @@Zenigundam LMAOOOOOOO

    • @commentextraordinaire
      @commentextraordinaire Місяць тому +1

      @@aimeesimoneaux6197 the only difference? There are differences and they are far more indicative than something as meaningless as color.

  • @creig1987
    @creig1987 Місяць тому +81

    Everyone forgot convicts vs Catholics…

    • @johncraig4820
      @johncraig4820 Місяць тому

      I think Canes were motivated by that and Fighting Irish was an anti-Catholic epitaph the school turned on its head.

    • @Grant112988
      @Grant112988 Місяць тому

      That also happened like 40 years ago. It was definitely wrong then, but it was a different time.

    • @cali1427
      @cali1427 Місяць тому +4

      @@Grant112988 ya but the name convicts vs Catholics wasn’t incorrect Miami literally had a bunch of dudes that had been in jail playing against notre dame (catholic school)

    • @Phillygoat1983
      @Phillygoat1983 Місяць тому

      Them Catholices aint all good ether ​@@cali1427

    • @bridgeboysdk4915
      @bridgeboysdk4915 Місяць тому +3

      Same style of writing……….. ain’t nothing changed bruh

  • @flamcity
    @flamcity Місяць тому +12

    Whoever wrote this article needs to be fired

  • @Ace-vf2uf
    @Ace-vf2uf Місяць тому +122

    The nerve of putting out that article shows how callous, ignorant and loose these individuals in particular positions think of people of color. That shouldn’t have been cleared to begin with so someone in management is definitely a fool for all seasons. Why can’t it be two good teams going against each other rather than good vs evil? We all need to unite and stand strong against oppression, racism and bigotry in this country.

    • @limitedbom2206
      @limitedbom2206 Місяць тому +6

      I agree the articles choice of wording was horrible, but the good vs evil thing isn't racist. That's happened all the time in the past for college basketball. Past duke teams with Christian Laettner, JJ Redick, Grayson Allen, the fab 5 Michigan team, that gross dude with the long hair on Gonzaga in the 2000s, these were all college basketball "Villains". It's usually the overall best team that plays into the antics to antagonize other teams/crowds gets the villain label. It's nothing new, people usually root against the powerhouse teams.

    • @erikdayne5429
      @erikdayne5429 Місяць тому +3

      Debutante has never once in the history of mankind been a racial insult. Using racism as an excuse for acting with no dignity is literally the opposite of Martin Luther King Jr’s dream. He wanted his children to be judged by the content of their character but people like you want to use the color of their skin as a defense to have no character.

    • @nickcothran3307
      @nickcothran3307 Місяць тому

      @@erikdayne5429well said. I may steal that last line.

    • @johnnywebb2351
      @johnnywebb2351 Місяць тому +2

      Agreed but will never happen, to many racist people for that to occur

    • @closeredge5198
      @closeredge5198 Місяць тому +7

      ​@@limitedbom2206 Thanks for ignoring the CONTEXT...you can't have clearly racist statements, along with good vs evil, in the same article, and claim its not connected

  • @Tuffbullets
    @Tuffbullets Місяць тому +15

    "Is that where we are now?" 😂 when has it left?

  • @mbry1
    @mbry1 Місяць тому +12

    I knew what a dirty debutante was before her press conference. To call a team of 18-21 year olds. A derogatory term such as that is extremely disgusting and unacceptable.

  • @mickeyraps
    @mickeyraps Місяць тому +22

    *Stephen A is a master at walking the line*

  • @Renegade-kf8fp
    @Renegade-kf8fp Місяць тому +41

    the article acting like this is a lord of the rings battle
    it ain't that serious

    • @tiamarrow6366
      @tiamarrow6366 Місяць тому +7

      You might not think it’s that serious but considering how much hatred and negativity LSU has received since winning that championship last year (Angel Reese even received vile death threats) it actually is serious. Remember, yes it’s sports but these girls are actually human beings. They’re human beings who are just trying to enjoy their lives, and be good at what they do.

    • @kiroolioneaver8532
      @kiroolioneaver8532 Місяць тому

      The aritcle obvs wasn't serious. It was an article written by a homer from LA writing about the UCLA team. The only legit thing is the "dirty debutantes" line was in poor taste (given what comes up when you search it). These guys on "First Take" say worse about male pro athletes all the time because sports commentary is over the top, tongue in cheek lol

    • @coonnfriend
      @coonnfriend Місяць тому

      😂😂😂

    • @nickcothran3307
      @nickcothran3307 Місяць тому

      Haha. Right??? It’s girls basketball.

  • @k.p.bolden7329
    @k.p.bolden7329 Місяць тому +123

    It's also racist.

    • @tigerhoods7927
      @tigerhoods7927 Місяць тому +1

      lol them people bouta storm the comments

    • @rickpersaud7016
      @rickpersaud7016 Місяць тому +7

      Soft generation the bad boys were called worse but no one mentioned racist. But you can't stop professional victim mentality.

    • @TonyStarks1986
      @TonyStarks1986 Місяць тому +17

      @@rickpersaud7016so just because no one mentioned racism means that there wasn’t racist remarks said to the bad boys? Tell me you are white without saying you are white.

    • @rickpersaud7016
      @rickpersaud7016 Місяць тому

      Tell me you a professional victim without being a victim. You must be black.

    • @flex2timez
      @flex2timez Місяць тому +13

      @@rickpersaud7016I’m sure your mom is also your aunt

  • @TheWriterNW
    @TheWriterNW Місяць тому +22

    This reminded me of Don Imus.

  • @Bman32x
    @Bman32x Місяць тому +12

    Irresponsible by the editor. How they even allowed this to print is gross.
    Reminds me of Don Imus calling the Rutgers women’s team what he did.
    How did we grow up learning about libel and slander for it to not ever come into effect.

    • @kiroolioneaver8532
      @kiroolioneaver8532 Місяць тому

      1) It's not defamatory. Do people believe the LSU girls are literally "evil" and literally "dirty debutantes" because of the article this guy wrote? (and thus they are going to suffer actual damages because of it; people won't hire them, they'll get disqualified, they'll suffer so much emotionally they won't be able to step onto the court because they know people believe that they are literally "evil" and "dirty debutantes" because of what this dude wrote) lol Besides in the US you have the First Amendment which protects a lot of speech and this was clearly a free comment opinion column by a writer (i.e. his not reporting facts, he's giving his opinion on a sporting event).
      2) This dude is a homer writer (LA Times) writing for the home team (UCLA). If it was (like Don Imus) a neutral party writing for the Denver Post (or as SAS rightfully says, USA Today) than there's more of a case that there was ill intent. The "good versus evil" was clearly hyperbolic, over the top, tongue and cheek. The ONLY real issue here is the "dirty debutante" line (given what comes up on the Google Search). That crossed a line and should've never been used.

    • @micahbinns2740
      @micahbinns2740 Місяць тому +1

      libel and slander usually is when you make up an allegation or an untruthful statement as fact.

  • @dezmill
    @dezmill Місяць тому +18

    Yeah when you Google that term it gets very x-rated.

  • @joshjohnson7586
    @joshjohnson7586 Місяць тому +13

    Mulkey is the female Bob knight, someone that is objectively a great coach but you would never care to meet in person.

    • @mrlogan-ut2te
      @mrlogan-ut2te Місяць тому

      I was thinking the same thing.

    • @bartonfussell6360
      @bartonfussell6360 Місяць тому +1

      How do you know have you met her

    • @joshjohnson7586
      @joshjohnson7586 Місяць тому

      @@bartonfussell6360 her own words on a number of subjects to include her former players say how difficult she is outside of basketball.

  • @Itz_Crawfish
    @Itz_Crawfish Місяць тому +34

    All they did was give LSU more fire power and motivation lol. They should've never posted that article lol

  • @euj0
    @euj0 Місяць тому +10

    Don't google Dirty Debutantes at work

  • @williamphillips3035
    @williamphillips3035 Місяць тому +10

    The Dirty Debutants is definitely a reference to the adult film from back in the day.

    • @UltraNsx25
      @UltraNsx25 Місяць тому +3

      you mean Ed Powers lol

    • @JakeBayCity
      @JakeBayCity Місяць тому +3

      Yes, I blew many a load in my youth to this cinematic masterpiece

    • @ronniekregar3482
      @ronniekregar3482 Місяць тому

      it's a series lol

    • @cfields12121
      @cfields12121 Місяць тому +2

      @JakeBayCity You a wild dude😭😭😭😭😭😭

  • @5049MIKE
    @5049MIKE Місяць тому +3

    Once again reporters ignore the fact that coach Mulkey did respond to the Griner drug arrest in Russia. She told a reporter she wished her well and hoped she returned safely. She said that was the only time she would respond to that subject. Coach Mulkey didn't owe Griner anything. Griner said some things about Coach Mulkey that were not true. Also, Griner's family new what Baylor was when she enrolled. She then wants to come out and throw it in their face. She should have gone to a California school or Texas A&M.

  • @DS00999
    @DS00999 Місяць тому +5

    Pretty wild timing for this to drop right before playing Iowa.

  • @bencromwell707
    @bencromwell707 Місяць тому +20

    The Article was not cool

    • @soda8736
      @soda8736 Місяць тому

      Do all aricles have to be cool?

    • @bencromwell707
      @bencromwell707 Місяць тому +2

      @@soda8736 not saying that at all

  • @ibelieve96
    @ibelieve96 Місяць тому +24

    She never treated any of her players wrong ! She’s a Christian that worked for a Christian university at the time ! She wasn’t going to celebrate her gayness and was actually looking out for her players by telling them not to flaunt their gayness because it’s against university rules!

    • @YEGuerrilla
      @YEGuerrilla Місяць тому

      she a debased rodeo clown, embarassing herself and the program

    • @igit_7296
      @igit_7296 Місяць тому

      The gayness must stop! Support the women of LSU.

  • @eddiechase305
    @eddiechase305 Місяць тому +4

    love how Shannon brought up the Catholics vs Convicts. That was low. Did ND ever apologize for that?

    • @rla8713
      @rla8713 Місяць тому +1

      Nope! However, I believe the media wrote that and not ND

  • @Criminal.Lawyer.2024
    @Criminal.Lawyer.2024 Місяць тому +21

    It also should've been mentioned in this discussion that the UCLA coach shared the article with others ... basically condoning the article. And to me, the article is more racist than it is sexist. The racism was spoken in dog whistles, such as "milk" vs "hot sauce" and "sweethearts" vs "dirty".

    • @gothard5
      @gothard5 Місяць тому +1

      The UCLA coach has already apologized for retweeting that article saying she didn’t even read it until after retweeting it. Once she read it, she deleted the tweet.

    • @Criminal.Lawyer.2024
      @Criminal.Lawyer.2024 Місяць тому

      @@gothard5 If you believe she retweeting an article about her team without reading it then I have a solid gold diamond studded bridge to the moon that I will sell you at a good price.

    • @southfieldtrill9690
      @southfieldtrill9690 Місяць тому +10

      ​@@gothard5U believe that b.s.?

    • @mzbatonrougebeauty5267
      @mzbatonrougebeauty5267 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@gothard5bs..the title of the article alone she was wrong

  • @ReactNotion
    @ReactNotion Місяць тому +35

    It’s sick how the media turned this thing to white vs black. Good vs evil. Right vs wrong…smh this is hoops. Real men love this competitive spirit. We’ve never seen this in women’s sports and plus they can actually hoop now. It’s sick.

    • @erikdayne5429
      @erikdayne5429 Місяць тому +3

      Nah real men act with respect. Little boys chirp and taunt when they win.

    • @bennyhill1900
      @bennyhill1900 Місяць тому +1

      So you’re ok,with the name calling?

    • @ReactNotion
      @ReactNotion Місяць тому +2

      @@bennyhill1900 we talk junk in sports all the time. What’s wrong with it, the fact girls doing it now. Womens hoops is boring without it. They need that extra umph

    • @ReactNotion
      @ReactNotion Місяць тому +1

      @@erikdayne5429 if a man chooses to be humble, that’s on him. If a man chooses to talk then that’s on him. Some people channel that competitiveness and some people let that energy out. Either way it’s still a man, but real men love it either way

    • @jordanwilliams1546
      @jordanwilliams1546 Місяць тому +3

      That’s the history of Sports in the U.S.

  • @zachwhitlow4
    @zachwhitlow4 Місяць тому +5

    By no means am I a Mulkey fan, she's absolutely correct it's one thing to criticize her coaching style. But to call these 18-21 year old kids dirty debutantes is an absolute disgrace

  • @starttheconvopod
    @starttheconvopod Місяць тому +19

    The LA Times article helped her big time. It completely buried the Washington Post article.

    • @kiroolioneaver8532
      @kiroolioneaver8532 Місяць тому

      The "Google the phrase" was genius. I wonder if she came up with that herself or LSU has a crack research team lol That was brilliant PR wise

    • @nickcothran3307
      @nickcothran3307 Місяць тому +2

      That was exact the point. First person I’ve seen that realized this.

    • @breakthroughnow
      @breakthroughnow Місяць тому +1

      That may be the reason they published it. I had a feeling LA Times did this in retaliation for the Washington Post call out.

    • @tonycoleman8259
      @tonycoleman8259 Місяць тому

      There wasn’t anything bad in the Washington Post article. You obviously didn’t read it

  • @T-Raw23
    @T-Raw23 Місяць тому +5

    Yeah and the fact that they making this a white vs black thing between Iowa vs LSU is crazy

  • @sssavvy6025
    @sssavvy6025 Місяць тому +3

    Angel Reese was in trouble for fighting a teammate. That's why she wasn't playing at the beginning of the year. Kim had no choice

  • @vicky924
    @vicky924 Місяць тому +3

    LA Times is trash for that article 🙄🙄🙄

  • @AnnoyedPitbull-un3hc
    @AnnoyedPitbull-un3hc Місяць тому +1

    I have nevee heard that term before. I googled it and didn't even know something like that existed which begs the question as to how did the editor come to know about that particular kind of entertainment

  • @voteblue8681
    @voteblue8681 Місяць тому +7

    Glad to see the comment section didn’t turn into a sexist pig pen like every video that mentions women’s basketball lol

  • @matthewchristopher16
    @matthewchristopher16 Місяць тому +3

    I'm someone who doesn't believe in woke BS and someone who thinks people need to grow some thicker skin, but even I can understand that whoever wrote that is a scumbag. How dare you insult kid athletes who are just trying to have fun and get a job done. Unacceptable

  • @samnmel100
    @samnmel100 Місяць тому

    did this come out after the wapo story or before? i'm confused. if after, then that sounds like the times trying to grab some of that shine, and it apparently succeeded.

  • @brandigilmore607
    @brandigilmore607 Місяць тому +5

    Yet it’s people that will tell you racism and sexism doesn’t exist. But they know what they doing. They just don’t care.

    • @bansnabs5523
      @bansnabs5523 Місяць тому

      Yea I see how blacks kill white people every day

  • @darrellsaunders6089
    @darrellsaunders6089 Місяць тому +15

    I agree how is LSU evil cause they got black stars and Caitlin is white like really

    • @nickcothran3307
      @nickcothran3307 Місяць тому +2

      No. It’s bc they play dirty and are classless.

    • @MrHello-nx4xs
      @MrHello-nx4xs Місяць тому

      @@nickcothran3307Play dirty? Classless? Explain yourself.

    • @bansnabs5523
      @bansnabs5523 Місяць тому

      Black is evil 🖕🏻🧑🏿‍🦱

    • @nickcothran3307
      @nickcothran3307 Місяць тому

      @@MrHello-nx4xs watch the game tonite. See how Iowa handles it when they beat lsu. Then watch how lsu handled it when they beat Iowa last year. ..maybe it’s just angel Reese who plays dirty , so may not be fair to label whole team.

    • @amarelogan7081
      @amarelogan7081 Місяць тому

      ​@@nickcothran3307nobody on lsu plays dirty, clearly you're the one who don't watch these games

  • @davidbanuelos6609
    @davidbanuelos6609 Місяць тому

    Does news papers still exist?

  • @WhatAboutsAndWhatifs
    @WhatAboutsAndWhatifs Місяць тому +27

    It’s racist, Geaux tigers

  • @AR-uz6kq
    @AR-uz6kq Місяць тому +6

    Call them whatever you want to. Here in Louisiana (Southeast) Angel Reese and Company are G.O.A.T.S! Geaux Queen Tigers!!

  • @btwlioness6064
    @btwlioness6064 Місяць тому +4

    Kim don't care ... your feelings about Louisiana as a whole are very clear.

  • @sunflowerlife1877
    @sunflowerlife1877 Місяць тому +3

    SAS!! It was not a mistake!! What written was intentional and egregious!!

  • @mrb.2497
    @mrb.2497 Місяць тому +1

    I don't understand how the racist undertone isn't being acknowledged?
    Iowa, primarily/the face of the team (Clark), white = Good/Milk and Cookies.
    LSU, primarily/face of the team (Reece), black. And somehow, they're "Evil"? The "villans"?
    How? They don't cheat nor play the game dirty. They JUST won the national championship.
    They need to put the writer on full blast.

  • @jay1two33
    @jay1two33 Місяць тому +20

    Kim Mulkey is a Boss.

  • @seancarter1162
    @seancarter1162 Місяць тому +3

    😅Living in Los Angeles made me believe our newspaper was national.

  • @rasserfrasser
    @rasserfrasser Місяць тому

    Educational, thanks guys.

  • @JGreez
    @JGreez Місяць тому +1

    “I don’t like it when journalists offend me by giving my team an edgy nickname but it’s okay when we offend people by not showing up for the national anthem.”

  • @ld4974
    @ld4974 Місяць тому +5

    Ed Powers is loving this.

  • @x1928
    @x1928 Місяць тому +3

    These guys are part of the media and they're just now realizing the media does this? Shocked Pikachu

    • @kiroolioneaver8532
      @kiroolioneaver8532 Місяць тому

      Agreed a lot of fake moral outrage and pearl clutching. You actually see people who were former columnists like Skip and Stephen A have a more nuanced approached (because they've been columnists covering a specific cities team like this homer journo clearly was). SAS is right; if it was a neutral writer from a different city or a national columnists then there'd be an issue. But hyperbolic, over the top, tongue and cheek sports commentary? That's what shows like "First Take" and "Undisputed" are lol They've said worse about male athletes. The only thing here is the "dity debutantes" line (given what comes up on a Google search).

  • @TheTruthiest
    @TheTruthiest Місяць тому +2

    It's ridiculous how we hold sports writers to a much higher standard than the President of the United States.

  • @superman6968
    @superman6968 Місяць тому

    First of all, and foremost... that rhetoric should NOT be used towards or about ANYONE. Whether 18 through 21 or a newborn to 104... that language has no place in a country that "self proclaims " itself to be the best, brightest, most diverse, smartest, least racist , fair, inclusive, non-barbaric , most civilized, Christian, hardworking, and godly...or is that in OUR DREAMS.
    Some people are so entrenched in racism and bigotry that they think it's others who have the problem.

  • @manguy2000
    @manguy2000 Місяць тому +3

    Yes women have faced a lot in sports and THE BIGGEST problem is men claiming to be women playing in their sports!!!!!!!!
    ESPN will not condemn that so they are in no position to complain.

    • @fcc950
      @fcc950 Місяць тому

      hug your mom incel

    • @Robinhim2002
      @Robinhim2002 Місяць тому +2

      Really? How many instances can you site of men playing in women sports, at the major sport entities that are covered by ESPN, collegiate or professional?

  • @Nighthawk-8050
    @Nighthawk-8050 Місяць тому +3

    The L. A. Times is wrong for that absolutely.

  • @javianjohnson8746
    @javianjohnson8746 Місяць тому +1

    Just looked up the meaning of the term and it was concerning that Google asked if I wanted to keep the safesearch on or off. When I turned it off man...disgusting terminology that should be a FIREABLE offense

    • @Been.Here.Since.2007
      @Been.Here.Since.2007 Місяць тому

      I'm laughing at the LSU team.
      It ain't 2020.
      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
      The whole world laughing at them now.

  • @registame2878
    @registame2878 Місяць тому

    Who wrote it… what is the writer and the editors name?

  • @DinnerIsDelayed
    @DinnerIsDelayed Місяць тому +5

    It was flamebait. And it obviously worked.

  • @s.k.o.e.2191
    @s.k.o.e.2191 Місяць тому +5

    Only stephen a can spin this sht...

  • @shahidwiggins
    @shahidwiggins Місяць тому +1

    This is what Deion Sanders was saying, yes they are 18 to 21 year olds. However, when you are getting that NIL money being paid like professional athletes then you open yourself up all types of criticism!
    Therefore, they have to have tougher skin as student athletes. Understanding that all these type of things come when you’re making more money than the women in the NBA!
    So I get what the coach is saying however, the dynamics have changed a bit in the world we live in today!

  • @KDRusha
    @KDRusha Місяць тому

    That green screen got Shannon a lil blurry around the edges 😂

  • @foodpedlarofficial2019
    @foodpedlarofficial2019 Місяць тому +5

    This was about attacking Kim Mulkey and what she stands for. This would never have happened if Kim Mulkey were a liberal.

  • @BS-hx5rj
    @BS-hx5rj Місяць тому +6

    Mulkey coached at a Baptist school. What do you expect her to do? She wanted to keep Griner on the right side of school policy

  • @Brant_Stanford
    @Brant_Stanford Місяць тому

    why does every other ESPN program have their own youtube channel except first take

  • @ecpracticesquad4674
    @ecpracticesquad4674 Місяць тому +6

    I just find LSU unlikeable. But I find Caitlin Clark unlikeable.

    • @shonda79able
      @shonda79able Місяць тому +4

      I agree. Add Iowa's coach in there, too.

    • @soda8736
      @soda8736 Місяць тому +3

      I think the women are trying to act like men, with the trash talking and stutting and possing. But LSU especially Reese does too much. If people were honest they could admit that , but instead they try to downplay or say she does the same as Clark. Thats a lie showe clark following another player around for 20 seconds doing some gesture while talking trash

    • @doncooper384
      @doncooper384 Місяць тому

      South Carolina will Destroy both Iowa and LSU

    • @gthigpen6989
      @gthigpen6989 Місяць тому

      Why?😮

  • @lamaranthony4028
    @lamaranthony4028 Місяць тому +8

    They need to give Shannon more lighting!

    • @greedy14u
      @greedy14u Місяць тому +4

      Ikr! Why they got Shannon in the shadows 😬

  • @powerflightme
    @powerflightme Місяць тому +2

    Just sad, yet I am not shocked. The man had no standards, no remorse. Crazy! Defamatory overboard! I hope they get to have a conversation. 👈🏾💯

  • @stringtheory8090
    @stringtheory8090 Місяць тому

    The dove flying in the sky😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @russellstevens9927
    @russellstevens9927 Місяць тому +5

    It's actually pathetic to portray a women's college game as "good vs. evil". It's asinine. Not to mention, LSU is the underdog team. It's a 1 vs. a 3. This is why people are going to side with LSU over Iowa. There's a narrative being created surrounding Caitlin Clark in broad daylight. 😂😂😂

    • @ReactNotion
      @ReactNotion Місяць тому

      Yea this situation is WILD

    • @kiroolioneaver8532
      @kiroolioneaver8532 Місяць тому +1

      The "good versus evil" comment was obviously hyperbolic and is typical in male sports commentary (especially since this dude was a homer writing for his hometown team). The "dirty debutants" line is where the issue is.

  • @matthewcrawford8625
    @matthewcrawford8625 Місяць тому +5

    Michael Wilbon hosts first take now?

    • @Pet_Tee
      @Pet_Tee Місяць тому

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @trellmills2963
      @trellmills2963 Місяць тому +1

      Out. Of. Pocket 😂

    • @jackblack7082
      @jackblack7082 Місяць тому

      You wrong for that😂😂😂.... I will say she is the best looking bald headed woman I've seen..

  • @jaydtre
    @jaydtre Місяць тому

    I’ve always found it weird how publications can almost say whatever they want about people without any repercussions.

  • @derrickgaskinssr2222
    @derrickgaskinssr2222 Місяць тому

    Where is the high profile law firm?

  • @dthang071
    @dthang071 Місяць тому +5

    It ain’t sexist it is racist.

  • @geraldos9094
    @geraldos9094 Місяць тому +5

    I agree with Kim stance on the LGBTQ players. Kim recruited players to play basketball, not start a movement. Nobody cares what you do in the bedroom, you’re there to play ball. Also, there might be issues with other players undressing around a LGBTQ player that is attracted to women. It’s ironic the guys congratulated Kim for winning 20 games a year, every year in her career, but chastised her for HOW she did it, which includes establishing team unity and the winning atmosphere….and that includes unity in the locker room.

    • @4everBreezy
      @4everBreezy Місяць тому

      Interesting. This is the same thing those white people used to say to Bill Russel and Lou Alcindor (KAJ)

  • @Realdannongreen
    @Realdannongreen Місяць тому +1

    I love their coach.. and you guys have been very hard on the coach...period

  • @robynmayo6314
    @robynmayo6314 Місяць тому

    LA Times and Washington Post...not understanding the reason or purpose of both articles. Let's bring to light the journalist.

  • @travissmith7671
    @travissmith7671 Місяць тому +10

    I support Mulky. Black lives matter ✊🏿

    • @rickpersaud7016
      @rickpersaud7016 Місяць тому

      You should go to the neighborhood with the blm . I forgot blm don't matter then????

    • @rickpersaud7016
      @rickpersaud7016 Місяць тому

      The truth stings but I guess you a professional victim mentality. Blm only matters if non blacks are involved.

    • @bansnabs5523
      @bansnabs5523 Місяць тому +1

      lol no

  • @spookyboi8446
    @spookyboi8446 Місяць тому +4

    What a brat she is.

  • @theonlykog
    @theonlykog Місяць тому +2

    I have respect for LSU, and I'm a South Carolina fan.

  • @PressureFlipperZ
    @PressureFlipperZ Місяць тому +7

    Media is so woke it’s 😞

    • @vincent5318
      @vincent5318 Місяць тому +5

      You people call anyone who challenges you or criticizes what you say woke.

    • @2ndstreetmedia171
      @2ndstreetmedia171 Місяць тому +1

      Yep it's a tactic to avoid truth

  • @Akronkangaroo
    @Akronkangaroo Місяць тому +4

    Ehh... She's making it a big deal when she should just ignore it and concentrate between the lines. Male athletes, coaches have hit pieces written about them daily... This is a part of "equality" that women don't like.

  • @vincentwalker3280
    @vincentwalker3280 Місяць тому

    Forget about looking up the word Debutante, I'm looking up the word "Amorphously" (Stephen A),