Angel Reese has nothing to do with the attention the wnba got this year... It was all Clark and they still lost 40 million dollars. This league is a welfare Unearned alimony dumpster fire and it's way past time to get rid of it. It is just funded by the nba which means the men are funding it while these goofballs complain about them and the women have never been profitable. So they are opting out of the Charity Bargaining Agreement 🙄🙄🙄🙄
He forgets that the ratings were up in the games Catlin Clark played in. She can't play on every team and every night, so your logic doesn't work. You also failed to mention that WNBA has been losing money since their conception. This was their best year, and they still lost $40 million dollars. If this was ESPN, you would be out of a job.
@@ky.d1970no it was the fact that this rookie players that came in was more exciting to watch than any of the current players they had. Clark was one of the biggest reasons as well as their attendance and merch sales were the best ever.
I hope Caitlin Clark just leaves the WNBA and plays in Europe for millions of dollars a year. She deserves better than being trashed by a league that would be even irrelevant without her.
Clark going to play empty arenas in Europe! Euro women basketball winner Ferenbache have 2500 seat arena! Whos going to pay Clark 700000$+28 million dollars shoe deal? Big sponsors?? Adidas?? Dirty money Saudi Arabia or Qatar?? There are no zero big womens basketball league in Europe! European women basketball have less fans than WNBA!
WNBA is trash They need men to take over that charity league and run it the right way, you will never have another Caitlin Clark.NEVER again you hear me,
What you are saying might have been true when revenues were less than $200 million per year. That is not true in 2024 and the revenue will go up to $500 million in 2026 when the new media deal starts. Talking about past loses says nothing about 2026. You are just plain wrong.
It's about the Bottom line and losses. They had losses $40 million this season 2024, so what the hell you smoking? Losses despite all the hype and increases and hype! The media rights deal may bring them to profitability, it may not. We shall see! @@clarkd1955
Other WNBA players are delusional if they didn't think that the attendance jumped and rating increased because of CC. You didn't see NBA players dismiss Jordan, Magic, or Bird or don't dismiss Lebron as it is more money in their pockets. The WNBA players are getting what they deserve.
Nobody cared about Aja Wilson, she won the MVP yet as soon as CC was out so did most of the viewership, so the idea that it was a collective effort instead of a single player is laughable and if when Juju joins the league yall don't embrace her either then nobody will care for the WNBA except hardcore fans.
@@glcsanderoh don't worry they will surely embrace juju 😉 look at her nike deal. no one is complaining or posting about race 🤣 and she's only a sophomore 😂 but when it's caitlin who broke the ncaa record everyone questioned her on why she's getting a shoe deal lol
@@cedriclloyd5571 They getting what they deserve so CC had nothing to do with increased attendance and it wasn’t a coincidence that NBA TV showed all Indiana games not shown by other networks? Atlanta and Washington moved their games to bigger arenas when the Fever came to town. There is a such thing as a once in a generation player drawing more interest to the WNBA as a whole. Did Magic, Bird, & Jordan draw more interest to the NBA as a whole? You didn’t understand what I said
@@glcsanderit’s verifiably true that viewership for the finals fell off a cliff when CC was knocked out. Not sure what delusional planet you’re living on. Apparently the same one the WNBA players are living on. All 7 hardcore fans are surely very excited.
Even with a successful season it’s still not enough smh women just will never unite for the bigger cause, it’s always some catty nonsense to deter from the main goal
There's a reason there is only 10% left over for the players....creditors! This league is hundreds of milliins in debt! One player comes along and spikes numbers for ONE season and all these women think they're owed seven figure salaries. Delusional. I hope James Dolan has his way and gets the NBA to pull out of that dump. Let them perish. We'll follow Caitlin overseas
You can’t lose 100’s of millions of dollars in the past 20 years and have one good year where you still lose $50m and think you deserve more and have leverage. They owe all the investors that have invested in this league in the past 20 years before they can even think about making more. My personal opinion is they should be cut off and try and survive on income from what the wnba creates on their own. Give them their 50% of all revenue and see if this league will be able to survive
It's funny because the new media deal is $260 million per year. They could have easily renegotiated via 3 year clause to over $800 million per year IF Caitlin Clark made it to the Finals. She didn't need to win. She just needed to make it there. The ratings would have justified it.
Any new CBA must include fines for conduct detrimental to the league, specifically, AT's and DJ's public attacks on CC and her fans, and any other public airing of grievances that is detrimental to the league. All speech or conduct that is detrimental to the league should have immediate consequences.
WNBA players has no right to opt out of CBA because the rise in attendance and media views was accomplished in spite of what they did. I can appreciate all the rivalry but the amount of hate comments, not getting Olympic team, the hard fouls, and the non-basketball hits that CC has endured is like they wanted to sabotage the work in building the league. Now they want to reap the benefits. They demand things that they are actively demeaning and not actually contributed to. And now they are building a rival league on top of that. Lmao. The entitlement.
It doesn't matter if there's an increase in sales until the league makes a profit. If last year you were -11mill and this year you were - 8million why are you opting out??? you are lucky to be getting paid at all. Ask your employer if you can walk around the stadium with a bucket and ask your fans for tips.
IF I had the money, I would pay CC $250k for 10 years to NOT play in the wnba. Play wherever else you want, just not the wnba! Why? Because ta hell with that league, the officiating and the majority of those players.
The problem I have with them opting out for more money is that even with everything that happened this season, mostly due to the player they hate, Clark, their league STILL lost money. They needed to turn a profit before they did this. I would have waited one more season.
Thank you Steven A!!! But if you're reading these comments. Would it be possible if you would ask your female colleagues. If they owned the WNBA themselves, what would be their incentive to give in to the demands of the players? If they were under the same circumstances of the owners of the teams?
How can you step to bargaining table when you have nothing to offer? They don’t generate revenue on tv. They don’t sell tickets. Most players are unlikeable to market.
50 million in debt is still a 50 million dollars in debt no matter how much more money the franchises are worth and how much more money the TV deal brings in they're still going to be millions of dollars in debt so just knock it off
Nobody watched the games because of Angel Reese. Just look at her scoring efficiency despite her rebounding. How do you get more rebounds than points, especially when your points are done mostly near the rim. It's not like Angel Reese has any 3pointers. Reese's game is boring to watch and laughable as she desperately wants to score 1 point but needs to get 3 or more rebounds. It's like watching a elementary school game.
This is why SA and Chiney's energy was off on FT today. SA has been right on this all along and now they want to cite the CC effect as to why they need to renegotiate?!?!? These haters don't even deserve to ride CC's wave.
I really tried to get into wnba this year. But damnit, these games were trash to watch. Caitlyn and a few others did their thing, but the rest of the chicks need to step their skills up.
What othet league? NBA is too scared to do it now with all this pro woman agenda stuff around. They should've cut it loose many years ago to avoid this increase in losses
I been using your quote " rising tide raises all ships " on everybody's pods .... Which I did here you say that 1st .... now or next offseason when they do the new cba is when the clark effect really kicks in for the players pay .... they still got 1 season left to build even more leverage in the negotiations ... clark truly does want to grow everybody's $$$$$
@@curtislinden9297 oh ok didn't know that ... ty ... but stephen a was the 1st media person i heard say that about clark was giving him his credit ... it's a very appropriate quote ... she has been a force multiplier for the wnba
Who jealous! Over Caitlin Clark $ not Angel Reese hell to the naw naw not her Angel Reese doing more then Caitlin Clark Angel Reese making bank but I know people hate to see a young black woman making it and making bank or she was instagram black model big booty station 8 getting food stamps with 8 kids eight different baby daddies you all love if she was doing that!
New, and old fans said it...Even men speaking from an "end game" perspective chanted this from the roof tops..but got told to be quiet. Now here we are......Just think if they lowered the rim a foot UNTIL the time arrives when their athletes have evolved to incorporate excitement of game play at that level in the paint and not just long bomb shots......but again they will not listen as its more of their pockets and pride versus entertainment, excitement, and fan generation.
You really have nailed it about how the League, players and analysts handled CC. Rising tide has lifted all boats but could have been better. Complete clowns.
True they should have just take advantage the popularity of CC but some are against of her. I put most of the blame to the WNBA commissioner if she made the right decision even if some players disagree.
Kaitlyn Clark was getting people to watch the WNBA... they were being Very Mean to her... so let them go on down to the Welfare office.. no Kaitlyn Clark? Nothing to watch here.😏
Totally agree with Steven A. The league saw growth in one year and immediately demand more. That's too soon. If they do it right, if there's major growth for the second and third consecutive year, then they can ask for more.
The fact that Caitlyn Clark was met with some resistance from her peers actually made things more interesting. Had the rest of the league not challenged her and the narrative that she was some sort of savior, it wouldn’t have generated as much buzz, media coverage, and casual fans would’ve continued to not watch.
They are still their own worst enemy...let them fold...
They ruin everything they get.
Stephen A is 100% correct on this one.
he's not. the deal was done before clark and angel even blew up lmao
Angel Reese has nothing to do with the attention the wnba got this year... It was all Clark and they still lost 40 million dollars. This league is a welfare Unearned alimony dumpster fire and it's way past time to get rid of it. It is just funded by the nba which means the men are funding it while these goofballs complain about them and the women have never been profitable. So they are opting out of the Charity Bargaining Agreement 🙄🙄🙄🙄
He forgets that the ratings were up in the games Catlin Clark played in. She can't play on every team and every night, so your logic doesn't work. You also failed to mention that WNBA has been losing money since their conception. This was their best year, and they still lost $40 million dollars. If this was ESPN, you would be out of a job.
Well he left out the fact that WNBA hasn't made profits yet..
@@ky.d1970no it was the fact that this rookie players that came in was more exciting to watch than any of the current players they had. Clark was one of the biggest reasons as well as their attendance and merch sales were the best ever.
Now they want to ride a wave that they tried to downplay all season? Pathetic
they came close to cutting off their nose despite their face
It’s not only pathetic, but they don’t deserve it (her)! 😂
This is getting old. The NBA needs to split from WNBA and let them survive on their own or die just like any failing business in America.
I agree spin it off to a separate entity and see if they can survive without being subsidized.
Not until Disney takes another massive L. Lets take 2 sham orgs down.
@@assimilatedrc3976 What? I love Disney. Best childhood movies
@@assimilatedrc3976what does Disney have to do with the NBA?
I can't understand who is advising these women... they don't turn a profit
OH my, Whatever will we do if the WNBA goes on strike? 🙄🤣😂
Suicide 😂😂😂😂😂😂😢😢😢😢
Thinking, no one will care.
Life will never be the same. Basketball fans will have to watch the NBA…
I hope they do, means better programs will take their slots.
Go fishing 😂
I hope Caitlin Clark just leaves the WNBA and plays in Europe for millions of dollars a year. She deserves better than being trashed by a league that would be even irrelevant without her.
Clark going to play empty arenas in Europe! Euro women basketball winner Ferenbache have 2500 seat arena! Whos going to pay Clark 700000$+28 million dollars shoe deal? Big sponsors?? Adidas?? Dirty money Saudi Arabia or Qatar?? There are no zero big womens basketball league in Europe! European women basketball have less fans than WNBA!
@@RaineriHakkarainen she can play for the big3 league. they offered her millions and she'd still get endorsements.
Imagine CC retiring this year saying it’s not worth the hassle…
I said this!! Lol if I were her I’d retire out of spite and play over seas
I'm too petty because that is exactly what I would do. Let them strike, and then retire.
The WNBA lost 40 million on the 2024 season...The audacity of these people to ask for more money is wack.
LMFAO even with all the hype, 40 m’s in the red is diabolical😂
I never understand how you can demand more money when you are still being subsidized. Any other business and this model fails.
The fact that wnba players get 10% of basketball related income when they operate at net negative every year just shows their privilege 😂😂😂
There it is.
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WNBA is trash They need men to take over that charity league and run it the right way, you will never have another Caitlin Clark.NEVER again you hear me,
What you are saying might have been true when revenues were less than $200 million per year. That is not true in 2024 and the revenue will go up to $500 million in 2026 when the new media deal starts. Talking about past loses says nothing about 2026. You are just plain wrong.
It's about the Bottom line and losses. They had losses $40 million this season 2024, so what the hell you smoking? Losses despite all the hype and increases and hype! The media rights deal may bring them to profitability, it may not. We shall see! @@clarkd1955
Mr. Smith, you're a genius, you're spot on and you said it a long time ago. Love you and you're show, you lay it down and say what needs to be said.
I agree 100%
They let their feelings get in the way, but they're understanding she's the Golden Goose. This is good ole America letting y'all know💯
Everybody stays on 10%, CC gets 50%.
I certainly agree 💯.
The Problem is Most WNBA Players are Disappointed that Caitlin Clark doesn’t have a Wife to keep their Wives Company during after Games Parties.
Hahaha
She will soon. Then y'all will hate her.
@@Al-Rudigor Angel Reece?
@@Al-Rudigorthat’s not how reality works but sure lmao
Other WNBA players are delusional if they didn't think that the attendance jumped and rating increased because of CC. You didn't see NBA players dismiss Jordan, Magic, or Bird or don't dismiss Lebron as it is more money in their pockets. The WNBA players are getting what they deserve.
Nobody cared about Aja Wilson, she won the MVP yet as soon as CC was out so did most of the viewership, so the idea that it was a collective effort instead of a single player is laughable and if when Juju joins the league yall don't embrace her either then nobody will care for the WNBA except hardcore fans.
@@glcsanderoh don't worry they will surely embrace juju 😉 look at her nike deal. no one is complaining or posting about race 🤣 and she's only a sophomore 😂 but when it's caitlin who broke the ncaa record everyone questioned her on why she's getting a shoe deal lol
@glcsander Finals this year was the most viewership for them without Aja and CC playing. What you talking about?
@@cedriclloyd5571 They getting what they deserve so CC had nothing to do with increased attendance and it wasn’t a coincidence that NBA TV showed all Indiana games not shown by other networks? Atlanta and Washington moved their games to bigger arenas when the Fever came to town. There is a such thing as a once in a generation player drawing more interest to the WNBA as a whole. Did Magic, Bird, & Jordan draw more interest to the NBA as a whole? You didn’t understand what I said
@@glcsanderit’s verifiably true that viewership for the finals fell off a cliff when CC was knocked out. Not sure what delusional planet you’re living on. Apparently the same one the WNBA players are living on.
All 7 hardcore fans are surely very excited.
Even with a successful season it’s still not enough smh women just will never unite for the bigger cause, it’s always some catty nonsense to deter from the main goal
@@rudy3202 bingo
Too many facts bro, they might cancel u for speaking the truth
There's a reason there is only 10% left over for the players....creditors! This league is hundreds of milliins in debt! One player comes along and spikes numbers for ONE season and all these women think they're owed seven figure salaries. Delusional. I hope James Dolan has his way and gets the NBA to pull out of that dump. Let them perish. We'll follow Caitlin overseas
Preach pastor, preach!!!!!!!!
💯%Correct no doubt about!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🏀
Facts!
You can’t lose 100’s of millions of dollars in the past 20 years and have one good year where you still lose $50m and think you deserve more and have leverage. They owe all the investors that have invested in this league in the past 20 years before they can even think about making more. My personal opinion is they should be cut off and try and survive on income from what the wnba creates on their own. Give them their 50% of all revenue and see if this league will be able to survive
So if there is a lockout does the NBA save 40 million per year?!
It's funny because the new media deal is $260 million per year. They could have easily renegotiated via 3 year clause to over $800 million per year IF Caitlin Clark made it to the Finals. She didn't need to win. She just needed to make it there. The ratings would have justified it.
Any new CBA must include fines for conduct detrimental to the league, specifically, AT's and DJ's public attacks on CC and her fans, and any other public airing of grievances that is detrimental to the league. All speech or conduct that is detrimental to the league should have immediate consequences.
No.
Speak Stephen a preach
Great summary. good to listen to your views SAS.
Thank you Caitlin Clark!!!!!!
WNBA players has no right to opt out of CBA because the rise in attendance and media views was accomplished in spite of what they did. I can appreciate all the rivalry but the amount of hate comments, not getting Olympic team, the hard fouls, and the non-basketball hits that CC has endured is like they wanted to sabotage the work in building the league. Now they want to reap the benefits.
They demand things that they are actively demeaning and not actually contributed to. And now they are building a rival league on top of that.
Lmao. The entitlement.
Women ☕
They have no right because the WNBA has never once turned a profit.
Exactly! S.A
America needs them to opt out of their collective bargaining agreement so that we can see something more entertaining on television
Drop the mic & take a bow!!!! Perfect truth!!!
Facts 💯%
Amen! Very correct!
They need to get rid of the wnba
It doesn't matter if there's an increase in sales until the league makes a profit. If last year you were -11mill and this year you were - 8million why are you opting out??? you are lucky to be getting paid at all. Ask your employer if you can walk around the stadium with a bucket and ask your fans for tips.
Exactly.
This year they lost $40million
IF I had the money, I would pay CC $250k for 10 years to NOT play in the wnba. Play wherever else you want, just not the wnba! Why? Because ta hell with that league, the officiating and the majority of those players.
The problem is that .. they still don't make any profits ... how could they reasonably ask for more money 😅
This tells me that not one of the players ever took a class in economics.
i bet they were all "business majors" in college though
@@teddylovesit No, probably Liberal Arts.
Adult women being petty 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
They just lost like 40 million. Wtf are they doing
The league is like the government they'll just print the money and keep going while already in debt.
They want 50% of negative 40 mil?? 😂😂
Let them have the work stoppage. Maybe it’ll be permanent
WNBA will go back to nothing without the GOAT
They are still losing money.
Wnba made no money. Franchises have no value in this place...
If it wasn’t for CC they’ll still be on commercial flight
You're a genius and brilliant with out a doubt
Love your show, your awesome. Your the voice that screams the truth !
The problem I have with them opting out for more money is that even with everything that happened this season, mostly due to the player they hate, Clark, their league STILL lost money. They needed to turn a profit before they did this. I would have waited one more season.
The league would fold overnight if it operated like any other business.
Thank you Steven A!!! But if you're reading these comments. Would it be possible if you would ask your female colleagues. If they owned the WNBA themselves, what would be their incentive to give in to the demands of the players? If they were under the same circumstances of the owners of the teams?
SAS…not everyone sells out for cash 😎 bro
CC is bigger than WNBA not even close. 🤣
How can you step to bargaining table when you have nothing to offer? They don’t generate revenue on tv. They don’t sell tickets. Most players are unlikeable to market.
PREACH!
20 yrs of losing money is a waste of our time watching such a garbage product.
Let them go bankrupt
50 million in debt is still a 50 million dollars in debt no matter how much more money the franchises are worth and how much more money the TV deal brings in they're still going to be millions of dollars in debt so just knock it off
0:39 you meant revenue not income right? Because I’m pretty sure they’re at a net loss as an organization 😂
Revenue is still income. It’s just not net income.
They want a percentage of a companies revenue that loses money? So they want to pay to play? Smart.
💯💯💯💯💯 facts
Nobody watched the games because of Angel Reese. Just look at her scoring efficiency despite her rebounding. How do you get more rebounds than points, especially when your points are done mostly near the rim. It's not like Angel Reese has any 3pointers.
Reese's game is boring to watch and laughable as she desperately wants to score 1 point but needs to get 3 or more rebounds. It's like watching a elementary school game.
Angel Reese had negligible effect on the WNBA. I wish CC went to Europe for a year to prove a point.
It to soon started asking for something they have to be careful
Work stoppage?! Oh no!
When they come crawling back, give everyone a 50% pay cut, except for CC. Give her a 100% raise.
Right Sir
This is why SA and Chiney's energy was off on FT today. SA has been right on this all along and now they want to cite the CC effect as to why they need to renegotiate?!?!? These haters don't even deserve to ride CC's wave.
They would've opt out regardless if CC is not there. Thats whatever every union does.
Nailed it
I really tried to get into wnba this year. But damnit, these games were trash to watch. Caitlyn and a few others did their thing, but the rest of the chicks need to step their skills up.
Yea it be like watching the Washington Wizards every game at times
Big True
Did Steven A just ask for women to admit that they were wrong and apologize? Hell would have to freeze over before the woman of the WNBA do that 😂
These people are delusional smh Stephen A knows better. 😩
Caitlin Clark is the WNBA. Without her, the business is nothing.
I won't be surprised by January 1, 2025 the NBA closes down the WNBA and sells the teams, etc to another women's basketball league.
What othet league? NBA is too scared to do it now with all this pro woman agenda stuff around. They should've cut it loose many years ago to avoid this increase in losses
Stop being a hater, 🤡
How will the nation ever survive a work stoppage from the WNBA 😳🙄🤣🤣
I been using your quote " rising tide raises all ships " on everybody's pods .... Which I did here you say that 1st .... now or next offseason when they do the new cba is when the clark effect really kicks in for the players pay .... they still got 1 season left to build even more leverage in the negotiations ... clark truly does want to grow everybody's $$$$$
That’s a JFK quote
@@curtislinden9297 oh ok didn't know that ... ty ... but stephen a was the 1st media person i heard say that about clark was giving him his credit ... it's a very appropriate quote ... she has been a force multiplier for the wnba
He's 💯 there jealousy of Caitlin Clark over came the Dollar signs smh...
Who jealous! Over Caitlin Clark $ not Angel Reese hell to the naw naw not her
Angel Reese doing more then Caitlin Clark Angel Reese making bank but I know people hate to see a young black woman making it and making bank or she was instagram black model big booty station 8 getting food stamps with 8 kids eight different baby daddies you all love if she was doing that!
New, and old fans said it...Even men speaking from an "end game" perspective chanted this from the roof tops..but got told to be quiet. Now here we are......Just think if they lowered the rim a foot UNTIL the time arrives when their athletes have evolved to incorporate excitement of game play at that level in the paint and not just long bomb shots......but again they will not listen as its more of their pockets and pride versus entertainment, excitement, and fan generation.
You are brilliant, we all agree. Your also have an incredible show. You tell it as it is and will be. They blew an incredible opportunity to bank $$$
Exactly
Totally right take here
Where are they plan on getting the money to pay WNBA players, can't take from the men, ALL HELL WOULD BREAK OUT WITH THE MEN..
They still operate at a net loss.
If only CC would leave the WNBA and play in Europe. That would put the nail in the WNBA coffin. 😊🎉
Reese showed she's average toward the end of her season.
Clark was superstar all year
It sure got her team to the finals though 😑
Stop hating on Angel Reese you are Mad cause a black woman making money 💰 without WNBA league
I'm just keeping it Real 💯
Average and a millionaire
@@yell0wberrywow a rookie couldn’t make the finals with a team that was the worst team in the league the 2 seasons prior to getting cc
Watch they make the same mistake again lol
Stephen I Get It!!!
It is just unfathomable how clueless these players are. 😑
I don't think CC needs any help from the WNBA. People love her because of how she plays and who she is. You don't need to market that.
Caitlyn Clark should get the majority of the money.
You really have nailed it about how the League, players and analysts handled CC. Rising tide has lifted all boats but could have been better. Complete clowns.
True they should have just take advantage the popularity of CC but some are against of her. I put most of the blame to the WNBA commissioner if she made the right decision even if some players disagree.
Take advantage how? They did...The Fever played on TV twice a week for the first few weeks......They ran that team in the ground...
Being passed over in the Olympics was an eye opener and pissed me off, good redence WNBA
hope you all are working at Taco Bell
Kaitlyn Clark was getting people to watch the WNBA... they were being Very Mean to her... so let them go on down to the Welfare office.. no Kaitlyn Clark? Nothing to watch here.😏
Totally agree with Steven A. The league saw growth in one year and immediately demand more. That's too soon. If they do it right, if there's major growth for the second and third consecutive year, then they can ask for more.
The fact that Caitlyn Clark was met with some resistance from her peers actually made things more interesting.
Had the rest of the league not challenged her and the narrative that she was some sort of savior, it wouldn’t have generated as much buzz, media coverage, and casual fans would’ve continued to not watch.
Clark is the only one should get her own cba. Without her wnba is still nothing.
WNBA is actually nothing still even with her. You can't overcome 25yrs of net losses with just 1 player.
Give them 10% of the losses...
Gotta make money first to get money
Fek me they need to get better people to run the WNBA