Can we just give it up for a moment, for House Bracken and their sheer unfiltered defiance, balls and pure hatred for their neighbors? Daemon is literally threatening them with his dragon and the head of House Bracken is like: "Get bent with ya stupid dragon, we choose fire! Oh and f*ck the Blackwoods!"
Kind of wish that scene where Rhaenyra expresses her frustration with not being trained for war was with Jace instead of Mysaria. Then Jace could say that he was trained for it, and he will be her sword. Perhaps she wouldn't have expressed those feelings to her son, but it makes more sense than expressing them to a total stranger.
Its pretty clear why shes there. The white worm is the direct line to the small folk in kings landing. The greens have shown themselves to be vulnerable amidst civil unrest rising. They choose to cage their people in. Having someone on your side who can mobilize the many against the few makes them an invaluable asset.@e.c.winner7252
That would’ve made more sense. They both felt confined: Rhaenyra for her lack of training and Jace because of his inexperience. I also agree: I’m kinda done with Mysaria being shoehorned here.
Skull on dragonstone is definitely NOT Balerion's. His skull is in the Red Keep, where Viserys first told Rhaenyra the prophecy. We also see the the same room with Balerion's skull still in it when Ser Erryk helps Rhaenys escape the Red Keep in S1 Ep9. The skull on Dragonstone is more than likely Meraxes. She was killed in Dorne and they probably had the skull moved to Dragonstone.
HotD is starting to lose me. A lot of it is starting to feel repetitive and just characters in rooms discussing there feelings. Its always been there but I can really feel the feminist angle coming through in the writing. The show wants to portray characters like Mysaria and Rhaenys as being moral and the voices of reason when there not good people (especially Rhaenys) who is responsible for hundreds of innocent people dying. She would've been a terrible queen yet the series seems to want us to think she did nothing wrong with how no one reacted positively when they saw Meleys' head. At least some of the smallfolk would've cheered because of what she did in the sept. Look at how they reacted to Aegon killing the ratcatchers which was far less deaths. They were horrified by it. I've noticed HotD really seems to be going out of there way to soften the edges of the female characters actions and either giving it to the male characters (like Aemond locking the gates instead of Alicent) or if they do something bad its handwaved as reactionary to being part of a patriarchal society. When one of them looks bad its usually unintentional on the writers part. Rhaenys killing the smallfolk was intended as a girl power moment. It wasn't meant to make her look bad. This whole show I guarantee you is going to boil down to "Two women who were best friends became enemies and were torn apart because of the patriarchy". I don't want it to be the case because there's a lot of good elements to this show which is why its even more frustrating when they fumble stuff but I get the feeling there gonna botch the series and its not gonna be as good as it could've been by the ending. They already screwed up with Blood & Cheese which should've been the most insane and talked about moment in GoT history since The Red Wedding but its only been a few weeks and practically no one is mentioning it. I can see why George is unhappy with the changes they're making. There taking a lot of the nuances away from his source material to conform to modern day Hollywood standards. No Mushroom because apparently having a little person whose goofy would be deemed offensive, Making the Velaryons black whose acting is actually pretty good but we know why they cast them that way. Its not because the actors were the most talented but we can't have a show in this day and age with all white people, softening the violence and nudity particularly with women. A lot of the show feels like Game of Thrones the PG-13 edition.
You are a hundred percent correct. Disappointing that our hosts wouldn't call them out on it. That scene of baela talking down on corlys was so jarring. Imagine a child talking that way to the "lord of the tides" lmao The Daemon character has been butchered, he's a one-dimensional bad man now. No coming back from that.
What are you talking about? No one is forcing you to see Rhaenyra, Mysaria, Rhaenys or anyone else as good or bad or moral or corrupt. Take them for what they are on screen and you will enjoy the show, but if you insist on accusing the writers of placing a propaganda then you will find no joy in anything. Tell me who YOU believe to be moral and just in this show and I will give you a handful of reasons why those people suck. No character in this show is perfect or above the rest. Rhaenyra, Mysaria andRhaenys are as flawed as every other character, but at least they are trying their best to do right according to their own beliefs, despite having mixed success. There are also plenty of male characters who you could see as good guys, such as Corlys, Hugh the Hammer, and most especially Jace. You could even argue that Aemond and Aegon are simply victims of their circumstances. But it’s really up to you. Again, NOBODY is handwaving what Rhaenys did in the dragon pit, or Rhaenyra’s inadequacies as queen, or Mysaria’s past crimes. However, They are at least trying to do better moving forward. A cynical person might call that hypocrisy, but I call that character growth. This is in stark contrast to Alicent, CristonCole, and the rest of the greens who seem to have given in to nihilism and embraced their evilness. This show is one of the few remaining stories out there today that hasn’t fully succumbed to the woke mind virus. They have a team of passionate authors led by the creator of the books himself, backed by a well respected studio that has decades of experience. This show is beloved world round, and yet here you are, Mr. Jaded old fart, reaching for trivial reasons to hate on it. It might not be perfect, but this is by far the BEST tv show on the planet right now. If you can’t find enjoyment in this, then maybe nothing can make you happy.
@@sherlockinsomniac I'm not saying there's no passion among the creatives but lets not pretend there is no "woke" or modern day Hollywood tropes placed in there. If that wasn't the case then why did they race swap the Velaryons and the White Worm when there white in the source material? Why did they exclude Mushroom? Why shy away from most of the nudity and brutal violence when it surrounds female characters? The show absolutely absolves a lot of what Rhaenys did in the dragon pit because its literally never brought up again within universe aside from Daemon saying she could've killed the Greens. If the writers intended for that to be deemed bad the Greens would've used that to there advantage to poison the commonfolk against Rhaenyra's cause and rightfully so because Rhaenys actually did kill hundreds of innocent people or Rhaenys would've had a scene where she had massive guilt about it and says she probably never should've been queen but instead she gets death that's framed as heroic and noble despite the fact she's currently more responsible for innocent deaths than anyone in HotD. Yes its more subtle and better written then a lot of crap out there nowadays but to say the feminist subtext isn't there is cope because you want to enjoy something. I like it too but its not perfect and I call out BS when I see it. Also its not the best show on TV when Shogun and The Gentlemen exist. Its also hilarious calling me old when I'm not even 30 LMAO! Hollywood doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt after all the shit they've pulled. They gotta earn back there dignity and respect!
@@LivingGhost1Don't explain yourself you are 100 percent correct. None of it is organic and frankly feels like shitty fan fiction. This show isn't fit to lick the boots of the first few seasons of GOT.
Imagine being some smallfolk person, you've probably seen a dragon flying in the sky. You know only that they breathe fire and fly and are huge. Next thing you know, a princess' dragon's head is being rolled through the street. First time seeing one, how big it is, how they can actually die. The only thought in your head is "those fucking things are gonna be flying over this city now arent they?"
@@justlivin2499Episode 9 and this episode will definitely play a role. Even though the writers are trying to forget the failed ep, they will be able to make up for it. I hope 😅
Yeah he has PTSD. Also, he has failed in EVERY aspect of his life. His last refuge was being a warrior and battle. And he ceded that to dragons while his king was brutally wounded. Utter failure.
He ran up amd confronted Aemond directly at the crash site when Aemond was holding the ice and fire dagger. So no, he didnt fly back right away, and Cole could have easily confronted him and had a discussion right there about what happened and he didnt. This was literally the ending scene of the episode. @loveoffilm4327
This works much better with moobler in control of finding scenes so Gary doesn't have to squint and seek the next one while dealing with everything else.
Jace gives me heavy Robb Stark vibes, he would by all accounts be a decent ruler but already he has made some minor lapses in judgement that might be his undoing
Yup,he's the only one who actually gets some shit done among the Blacks. His mother is just whining around because nobody respects her as a wahmen, Daemon meanwhile is wanking around in Harrenhaal.
@@dopeanimemind7049 he made a good call here by going to the Freys but it was a very impulsive decision, he’s eager to fight for his claim and if I’ve learned anything from Shogun it doesn’t usually end well for people like that
I really thought that Meleys head being paraded through the streets was going to be the payoff to the dragonpit disaster. But nope. People of KL forgot this dragon stomped on them
You blame alicent for what her children have become, yet not blame viserys? Remember, both sides are his children whom he failed to raise properly. He was their father and king. But sure blame the mom.
@@sherlockinsomniache's not blaming Alicent for his upbringing. He's blaming her for acting surprised he turned out this way. Viserys didn't shocked Pikachu face at Aemond being an ass. How hard is to understand jfc
@@sherlockinsomniac I agree. As great as viserys was, he only considered rhanyra his child and that has to give a complex to the kids. And that scene where she defied everyone and slashed rhenyra made me love her ( though apparently it made everyone hate her). In the time jump it appears aliment wasn't a good mom and I don't really get why she sees aemond as a monster
@alexanderwatson1980 I know, he's probably right. I just mean that you shouldn't actually be able to see a hole there because the bolt went through the eyes.
I found it annoying how the writers seem to think Alicent is the main character when pretty much everyone agrees she’s a supporting role at best. I just rolled my eyes when she claimed she’d make the best regent in a war. Yeah cause there’s not a proven military strategist sitting at the table or anything. You go girl.
@@cursedsolo3112 Honestly it's silly. She has no political power and from my knowledge her role from here on only continues to dwindle, so what the hell?
@@spartanhawk7637 yea I heard she’s basically nothing after aegon becomes king. When I first saw the season 2 poster I was like where’s aegon. This whole series is basically man vs woman . So like where’s the king at lmao. At least put him in the middle between alicent and rhaneyra.
One detail I liked was that Orwell has experience with skin/rotting skin from his time with Viserys. That directly applies to how he was handling Aegon’s injuries. I don’t think it matters, but a cool detail.
THIS!! When Simon walks in on Alys bandaging/talking Daemon's hand. He clearly sees and tracks her movement. Simon's look suggests he is wondering why a servant is conversing with Daemon.
@@sandervr.6262 Yes there is confusion as to whether Alys is a younger woman (Lionel's illegitimate daughter) & an older woman who may have been Lionel's wet-nurse. Could be a foreshadow of the last scene in GoTs s6.1 where we see the Red Woman's true form.
I will say the change to not melt the armor to Aegon is better in my opinion because if the fire was hot enough to melt valerian steel then Aegon would be ashes
1:48:25 I didn't like it, but slowness has nothing to do with it The smallfolk not caring about meleys having slaughtered them, daemon having sex fantasies with his mother (?), acting like the problem of the black council is rahenyra being a woman and not the fact that she has not acted yet and they are rapidly losing ground, even making Alfred Broome (whose criticism was on point in the other episodes) just flat out say that he kinda doesn't like women. Everything Mysaria is also just awful, she is the only actor in this show who is not doing a good job, watching her in the same scene as Rahenyra who is played very well is painful The episode was overall still decent, but I can't keep overlooking the weird direction the show is taking, it feels like got season 5 where the source material started being just a loose inspiration and the writers headcanon is growing more annoying by the episode. The dance is badly written in the book (infinetely respawning riverlanders lol), so I am willing to forgive and even appreciate a lot of changes, but this feels like a warning for things to come.
Its obviously nit as good as oldest GOT season. But its still really good. My main problems are probably that writers keep making explosive endings to every episode, which works like 8/10 times maybe but in some episodes it just ruins the characters and worldbuilding i think. Like ep 9 during aegons coronation dragon killing people. Or in 3rd episode somehow rheynira talked to alicent, that was really weird. But i think overral they did a great job with the show. What do you not like specifficaly? What scenes for example?
They need to rework the Riverlands plot for sure, The Riverlands surviving against the armies of Criston Cole, the Lannisters, Baratheons and Aemond on Vhagar was the stupidest thing. They should've been knocked out of the war fairly quickly honestly, especially when Vhagar got involved.
@@edwardirwin3478 i dont think its that simple. you also have to remeber this season takes place in only a few weeks. armies sometimes take months to muster and travel. plus riverlands have dozens of huge castles, vhagar cant be everywhere all at once.
@@Thor12233 i'm talking about the book plot. As OP said, the Riverlanders had infinitely respawning men. They fought 3 armies which were bigger than their own and still survived at the end of the war, while a giant dragon was also destroying them, very bad writing from George. Remember, Jaime captured the Riverlands with 30.000 men in GoT when the Riverlands were stronger and more united. Here they're in civil war and House Tully is basically leaderless
@@edwardirwin3478 you have a point but lore wise speaking fire and blood was written by maesters and some other dude frogot his name. There are some obvious lies written and then theres some not so obvious. The point is whoever wrote those numbers has a bias. It for you to decide if the story is true or the maesters are full of shit.
@@dankato6380 how is it bad writing? Corlys litteraly has no other true heirs. Beala and rheina are only grandchildren he has. And beala is the elder. Edit: plus thats what his wife wanted.
I mean, it's a pretty important part of the story. In most cases it would annoy me, but that's a large plot point in this story. One of the main excuses for the greens usurping the throne is people not wanting a woman to be the heir. A lot of the council on both sides don't respect a woman's leadership or decision making, which played out on both councils this episode. So, being annoyed about it makes no sense with this show, that's a major piece of the story and a big excuse used to justify a lot of the actions in this story and how the men feel about everything.
But it’s properly written, not just “girl boss beating meanie men”. No it recognizes the flaws. For example Rhaenyra admits she is not qualified for war, because her father never raised her for it. Although she gets a nice shot back that no one at her council has been battle tested nor part of a campaign. But it’s still true that she is out over her ski’s with war planning. Her own son however is able to make appropriate moves on the board without her. Alicent is a great queen in peace time, but again war is different, and she can’t sit across from Rhaenyra whose main problem is being a woman queen and there are legitimate successors.
I don't mind it in this context either. Everything is well set up and has internal consistency. All the characters, male and female, are written as complex individuals with understandable motivations and traits that dictate their actions. The women in this show aren't girl-boss Mary sues; they just make different poor decisions from the men sometimes. The only irritating vibes I'm getting are from the White Worm. I'm not sure if it's the writing in her scenes or if the actress just isn't up to the job, or if it's something else entirely. She comes across as 2 dimensional to me regardless, and that's a sharp contrast to the rest of the characters in this show, including some of the minor ones. Even Rhenerys, with all her haughtiness and confidence, is frequently wrong. S01E09 is an obvious abomination. But even when Corlys (admittedly in mourning) follows her advice to make Baella the heir, Baella just flat out rejects the position without a second thought. Rhenerys' advice wasn't bad, but it didn't account for everything either.
Daemon reaping what he did was so satisfying. But gosh the episode beginning with the small folk reaction was so cringe cus the writers don’t want to admit or acknowledge the massive fuck up of episode 9 in season 1
Hold up. The small folks will have no idea which dragon it was. In fact, this may have helped the case. One of the bystanders said, "I thought dragons was god." The scene where Rhaenys killed thousands must be interpreted by the smallfolk as something the gods willed.
Tbh in a city with 1 million people I understand why many people don't recognize Meleys or possibly don't even care and only think about what could happen if Dragons were to meet abouve King's landing, but I genuienly don't believe the writers really understand the reprecussions of season 1 episode 9, and haven't heard any critisims towards it. If anything the response they've heard was a bunch of retards on twitter going: Yas, slay queen!
The writers could potentially use that moment to help build up something else that’s coming and if they do it well I might be willing to forgive them for that
@@omsaxena116 to counter this condol noted the smallfolk do know which it is, he said they know it because it used to fly over the city a lot, so either condol is just saying stupid things for the extra's or that line about dragons being god is a throw away line not meant to represent the smallfolk, as condol more implied they were sad not just shocked
@@commissargrungor1948 I believe all the interviews the actors and such do regarding the story of the show are off the mark. They take away different things from the story as me and other fans. If Condal did say anything, I will wait for his statements to reflect in the actual show. Right now, looking at the product itself, I find my line of thinking very sound. Also, given that he's saying the truth, I think he would be referring to Jahaerys' reign when Rhaenys was not yet married to Corlys. That would be the only good time for her to ride around King's Landing freely. Would they really remember the dragon from that far back in time?
Yes, my thoughts exactly! Iceing Damon in Harrenhal, because too many people liked him best in the first season instead of recognizing the stunning and brave girls. Now the once cool white man has trip after trip for 5 episodes.
Alicent missed out on many council meetings because she was sick with moon tea, and the councils where she was present she never said anything but just sulked while others talked. Not a great record, if you want to convince people to let you rule now.
The scene was just another excuse to use the trope "men don't like women in power". Yes, that's the whole point of the Dance but we don't need to hear it in every second sentence.
@@kateris1976 So far, the women in the show aren't doing a very good job showing they should be in power, that's the ironic thing. Alicent is just absent and refuses to participate, to then complain no one does what she wants. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys constantly shut down the men in their council who want them to take action to do nothing instead, which allows Cole to set the trap at Rook's Rest and ruin the position of the blacks.
@@frankvandorp2059 sure, the writers are dropping the ball in this one. They portray them as you say and on top of that they constantly throw in the misogyny trope. Not that this mentality didn't exist, but at least justify the unfair of the thing by showing women giving sound advice and being ignored...
I’m not sure the River Lords were ever even at the castle. Remember that Alys wanted Daemon to start thinking about the smallfolk, and suddenly in the middle of the night when he’s already dreaming, he’s ripped out of bed to go talk to four uncanny River Lords who directly address Alys’ concerns and then turn and walk out?
I doubt that, because Simon strong was reacting to the situation as well, and laena appeared in that scene, so she would have to be a vision within a vision. Not impossible but unlikely
@@e.c.winner7252 How would Simon strong be the one to retrieve Daemon from his quarters? It would be different if Alys retrieved him and brought him to them, but Simon is clearly a very grounded character who is almost Daemons voice of reason right now. Your theory kinda falls apart with just him being there sorry.
@@sarwatarannya8786 wouldn't it be crazy if Alys is the only person actually there, and daemon has just been wandering around an empty castle for weeks
Gary and the guys seem to have such rose tinted glasses on for House of the Dragon. It's average at best with some terrible characters and storylines. The white worm spy woman is terribly written and acted badly at the same time. Daemon bumbling about in harrenhal in some dream, whilst some witch talks to him like crap is all getting silly. Hope Gary and the guys can start poking some fun at some of this ridiculousness.
Destiny: Looks down at Boogie. At least I’m not as bad as him. Boogie: Looks down at Hasan. At least I’m not as bad as him. Hasan: Look at all the people looking at me.
On the note of "there should be a bunch of dragons here", we do have to remember the dragons are insane on the CGI budget. I'd rather they use the budgets wisely on the sets and costumes, and only save the CGI for when it's really needed, like the dragon battle last episode. They have been very prudent with their spending thus far.
Bad news, from the looks of it(and from George's comments in his blog). Nettles is omitted as a character. History repeating itself and we know what this leads to. They are going to fuck this up...
I don't get why everyone blames Aemond for Aegon's burns. Sure he deliberately attacked him with dragonfire, but Aegon wasn't even supposed to be there. He was not part of the plan. Alicent bullied him into a rash action of trying to earn fame and glory in battle. Such lack of consideration compared with lack of battle experience can more often than not lead to injury or death. Rhaenyra's council always kept her from going into battle herself, while Aegon's council didn't care when their king flew away alone on his dragon. That's on them.
I think the skull in the crypt is supposed to be Meraxes because it kinda looks like it's taken some damage around the eye. Meraxes was shot through the eye in Dorne.
Skyrim dragons are much more powerfull than from GoT, their language is magic, literally casting spells through words and can only be granted true death by Dragonborn that consume their souls, otherwise they respawn, Alduin being basically god of time he's immortal and needs to be under Dragonrend shout effect to be killed, which forces the concept of mortality on his soul.
Are we supposed to believe that Daemon - most worldly of the people at court in King's Landing suddenly doesn't know how the world functions? Show seems to really be knocking him down hard. He's gone from ruthless and cunning to dim and one-dimensional. "BOW TO MY DRAGON, WHY THAT NO WORK duhhhhhh".
He is a diehard targaryen supremacist who thinks he can do anything because he is who is. He never expected the riverlanders or house bracken to not fear him. Daemon hasn't been shown to be particularly politically savvy, he is impulsive, violent and he wants the throne. I think his actions are completely in line with his character.
Also you do have to be kinda fucking mad not to yield to a dragon. The only character we've seen do that was the crab guy sin season one, and he didn't seem like a well adjusted individual (still conducted a neat little guerilla campaign agains Deamon).
Viserys didn't ride Balerion very often, because the dragon was to weak. Most likely infected with firewryms, after that little unauthorised trip to Valyria😅
I thought episode 5 was terrible. The showrunners tried to make us feel bad about the old lady dying, even though she murdered dozens of innocent people. The entire episode was just a feminist wet dream of women talking about themselves being women and how all the men around them are incompetent.
no one has said anything about Aegon mumbling "Mummy" in his bed. If Alicent talked to him he wouldve heard. But yet again she doesnt say anything. Feel bad for the kid! F*** Alicent
The morality in this show is weird. The give Aegon that scene with his bastards in the fighting pits, which as far as I know wasn't in the books but then make him relatable and sad. And then they are so obsessed with championing the smallfolk, which isn't bad in itself, but make the weirdest characters do that. Why would Misaria, Lady Misery and Alys Rivers give a shit about the smallfolk? They should be scary, secretive and powerful women, not superman. Edit: I am aware they are smallfolk themselves, but that doesn't mean they are selfless and charitable characters. Just like Alicent doesn't fight for women's rights why should a witch and mistress of whispers fight for peasants?
Yea, agree about aegon, I'd rather ignore the green council episode, if you remove it from your brain, the show automatically gains two points, about the smallfolk point tho, you're completely off mark 1) You don't have to be selfless to try to improve the lives of smallfolk, especially given the fact YOU are a smallfolk 2) there's nothing contradictory about being a witch or a mistress of whispers and also trying to improve smallfolks rights or even being selfless, which I wouldn't say they are 3) they can still be scary and secretive and do awful things while also having a morally good goal in mind
@@baalsagol346 I agree, but in the show it just feels repetitive. Instead of doing things like Varys for example would they just keep bitching and moaning about the smallfolk when realistically most Targaryens won't care (Rhaenyra maybe, but only because they've made her much more heroic than in the books). It would be more effective if they manipulated those in power. And Mysaria specifically was called Misery by the small folk, it's not the nickname I would choose for someone who champions my interests. With Alys it makes a bit more sense I suppose?
@junecatira6338 I'm pretty sure that's what they're doing, they're trying to manipulate them, Alys with visions, misery with words and actions that benefit rhaynera, which, if she becomes queen will help the smallfolk and her About the nickname, she seems to be like what the theories about varys (at least in the in the books) suggest, with the little birds and assassinations of competent rulers and creation of chaos, doing bad things with a good cause in mind, I imagine things like, slitting the throat of a shop owner not willing to pay protection but at the same time supports the local business, kills corrupt gold cloaks and rival crime gangs who only take and abuse other smallfolk Hack, maybe she even has the same exact plan as varys (from the theory), which is to build funds both knowledge and monetary, and gain power until being able to take it up with the rulers, I mean varys literally started the same way as her, being a powerful prince of crime And before you going to say "the show didn't show that", as someone already did elsewhere, the show isn't over and she's not dead yet, there's still plenty of time and opportunities to show that
@@baalsagol346 well I do hope they do that with her. I don't have high hopes solely because they seem to write the girls more virtuous than how they are in the book. Also I'm a bit sad with what they've done with Aemond, he was sadistic in the books regarding Lucerys but loyal to Aegon and it's been flipped in the show for some reason(?
Season 2 SUCKS. Full of feminism even more intersectional diversity box checking, pointless conversations, and other garbage and the writing has greatly worsened
Elder Scrolls lore is insane. Bath salts mad. You look at it and think, "oh, humans, elves, dragons, demons, this looks so normal." But then you find out the dragons are not just as smart as humans, they're actually the demigod children of the god of time that do not perceive time linearly (and their existence is not linear either), who can truly be killed only by another dragon who consumes their soul as they will otherwise return, and their voices (shouts) directly manipulate reality. Their fights are actually just fiery debates. And the big bad dragon, Alduin, is supposed to literally eat the world. Chomp it down bit by bit. Or maybe at once, who knows. And that's long before you get to the really weird stuff like the Heart of Lhorkan, dragon breaks, the towers, or CHIM.
Everything to do with the Tribunal and Morrowind is more interesting than the dragon stuff and aesthetically weird af, I hope they dig into that more tbh
The way he was standing while talking to Rhaenyra on the council last episode did remind me of the way Daemon was presenting himself last season when he talked with the two kingsguards with Caraxes.
I recently noticed that there is a problem. Sam called his book A Song of Ice and Fire and according to the series, he came up with it himself. Funny coincidence that he calls the story exactly what aegon called his prophecy in the dream^^
That is Meraxes' skull, Balerion's is in the red keep, Rhaenys sees it when she escapes in episode 9, it would make sense since after the first Dornish war when princess Deria came to offer Aegon the deal she brought the skull of Meraxes with her and then handed Aegon a letter from her father that made him angry and he left for Dragonstone immediately after maybe to see Rhaenys before she died, so Aegon may have moved the skull of Meraxes to Dragonstone since he spent most of his time there and left Visenya in charge of King's Landing.
Allicent was immediately suspicious of Aemond because……… she read the script?? She watched last week’s episode??? Seriously, why would she suspect him of doing anything wrong? He would have been the first one to return from battle and the first one to report to her what happened. He would have told her his version of the story- that Aegon flew in unexpectedly and would have been killed by Rhaenys if he, Aemond, hadn’t intervened- and she wouldn’t have any reason to doubt him until word (or whispers) reached the capital from soldiers or Criston or other witnesses. And as for Criston, he seems terrified of Aemond, but not too terrified to stop himself dropping hints that feed Allicent’s suspicions, which just makes him seem like a moron. Terrible subplot, should have been reworked, or just scrapped and had Allicent sidelined for an episode.
He has the dagger, doesn't he? And she seems to think that he deliberately killed Luke, so it's not that far fetched. I agree that she doesn't need to be focused on as much, but she will have probably noticed that one of her sons is an idiot and the other is calculating and ambitious.
Bro we’ve seen her apprehension of trusting Aemond ever since he claimed he went after Luke as reparations for his eye. Then she eyes the dagger on his waist as he smiles overlooking the city while aegons body is being carted in secretly. Why wouldn’t she be suspicious Aemond also just went after both of them to become the ruler?
@@Gojeto346 I just rewatched the first few minutes. He’s not smiling, just standing there with a neutral expression. And having the dagger doesn’t mean anything more than that he recovered it from his brother when they found him after the battle. But still she immediately eyes him with suspicion. I will concede though that in the next scene in Aegon’s bedchamber Aemond confirms her suspicion by walking in just to say that “someone must rule in his stead”, but that only means that *another* character was made to act stupidly in service of this unnecessary plot line.
This is the only Nerdrotic stream I purposefully avoid watching Live, and then watch the full video attentively after I've watched the episode. Great stuff guys, keep 'em coming.
Was not a great episode, but oh well. It was nice seeing Alicent get put in her damn place though. Like, you’re not a leader sweetheart… You were selected as a political marriage to produce heirs… Your job is done.
The skull that appears in the background when Rhaneyra tells her son the prophecy is Meraxes. He died from a scorpion's spear in his eye. It is possible to see the hole caused by the injury to the skull. I don't understand why they say the dragon exploded when it fell. If you look at his body, it remained intact in the middle of the castle wall. Yes, there was some fire when he hit the ground, but there could be other explanations for that. For example, the impact made him release some flame or he fell into an area with flammable material or there simply is no reason... the fire was added by the producers just to "look cool". But when you comment that the dragon exploded, it gives me the impression that it exploded like the shark at the end of Jaws kkkk. Congratulations on the videos. It's always really fun (and educational) to see your content.
Elder Scrolls dragons vs GoT/HotD dragons: panel failed, but the chat stepped up. As someone who watches a lot of content around Elder Scrolls and similar content, it was odd to be watching something on YT and no one could talk about it.
They probably changed the person who ordered the closing of the gate from alicent to aemond to push the agenda of "men make all the bad decisions and women could've done better". Lmao gary said "unreliable narrator"... the willful blindness is now embarrassing and i can no longer depend on gary's takes for this show
I appreciate your guys effort to keeping this show strictly about game of thrones. When all the real life drama dies down, we will still need these episodes to rewatch.
sorry mates It is getting pretty boring episode 5 was a bust and there doesnt seem to be any hope for the next episodes the pacing is slow we have seen damon in harrenall for too long now we have seen raenyra in dragonstone for too long now we have seen alicent in the kings landing for too long now the main focus seem to be on the FEMALE cast WOKE ANYONE?
@@karljonson3287 This show is 100% a feminist take on the source material and has been since the first scene of the series. It's ok if you enjoy it, that's cool. I have fun watching it, I just don't deny the obvious. It's just funny the youtubers who make living seething about everything woke can't call it out, maybe they're just so used to watching trash anything competently made is gunna seem amazing. 😂
@@karljonson3287 Scene 1 episode 1. The Great Council is changed from a vote about Viserys VS Laenor to Viserys VS Rhaenys, which Viserys now wins because penis, I could keep going...
If no one said it during live. The dragon skull is Meraxes. If you look really close you see one of the eye sockets is gaping hole from the scorpion bolt.
@@Mr_Bones. The source material yes, not the scripts tho. And the source material is thin. The original plan for 3 seasons might have worked but 4 is seriously stretching it. People have no problem acknowledging it with The Hobbit but drag their feet here when you're adapting a similar amount of pages to thrice the length of the Hobbit trilogy...
@@krankinthehog4984 so you're cool with the "women bad men good" though? The entire show is about the ills of the patriarchy. If you didn't get that from the first episode of the first season, you should be embarrassed. It's a bit late to start criticizing the entire concept of the show.
@FringeSpectre no I got that from the first episode of the first scene but this whole episode was a lot more than usual lol they had to tell us like 6 times in one episode
Yep these guys always mention this when they talk about other shows but never notice it when it's this show. Not even Ryan! Rhaenyra is a poor undecisive leader yet the members of her council are seen as uninjed old white men that wants to go to war. But someone has to do something! And all she does is sulk and brood.
38:39 I love that Ryan is an unofficial comedian, often he has better jokes than Chrissie. Maybe Ryan is just excellent at spontaneous fully fleshed out humour.
The scene with Daemon and the Riverlords protesting felt a bit off, as if they're telling us things they could easily have shown us. For example, what if we saw the Blackwood troops doing these terrible things, and then later Daemon gets the message that only few lords have declared for him, because they need to tend to burned septs, others are trying to deal with refugees, and then letters of protest start appearing, et cetera.
Not seeing what the Blackwoods are doing works better IMO; Daemon letting them of the leash, not fully understanding how bad the feud between the two clans is, and remaining ignorant of the consequences while he walks around Harrenhall in a magical stupor until one night all the other lords come to lodge a complaint in person is a much better illustration of how isolated and out of his depth he is.
@@TedSaint-r5b It didn't feel very unreal though. The other scenes with Daemon dreaming felt clearly off, and mostly featured people from Daemon's personal past. Why would he hallucinate these Riverlords who he doesn't know or really care about?
Almost 5 scenes in a row of woman either dominating and talking down to men, or controlling the conversations in situations they wouldn't have been. E.g the Frey's. After 5 in a row it became a little heavy handed.
I don’t understand Cristen Cole’s reaction to the men being burned….he has fought a bunch of battles and seen a bunch of men die including his own….would you rather be charred to death quickly or stabbed/face bashed in with a malice and slowly die? So because 900 of his men die in one battle as opposed to a couple hundred? He has been around death for a long time. Why does it matter because it was by dragon? Makes no sense
I think it’s just the realization of “oh shit.. well what the hell are men with swords supposed to do? AGAINST DRAGONS?” Especially seeing the dragons spinning & firing (?idk what word to use😅) in the sky. Personally I think my immediate thought would be “OK so what if we win on ground BUT the other sides dragon wins? we’re fked” Loved Criston this episode though, him just having the realization of the horrors of a war with dragons.
Can we just give it up for a moment, for House Bracken and their sheer unfiltered defiance, balls and pure hatred for their neighbors?
Daemon is literally threatening them with his dragon and the head of House Bracken is like: "Get bent with ya stupid dragon, we choose fire! Oh and f*ck the Blackwoods!"
These fuckers we’re going at it so much it cost them the chance to become lord paramount of the riverlands.
True hater energy
The actress who plays Mysaria is just bad. It's not the directing. She starred in Alex Garland's Devs and she was awful.
She is horrible
Really? Jesus...
The chick that plays mysaria cannot act
Her scenes are awful
Kind of wish that scene where Rhaenyra expresses her frustration with not being trained for war was with Jace instead of Mysaria. Then Jace could say that he was trained for it, and he will be her sword. Perhaps she wouldn't have expressed those feelings to her son, but it makes more sense than expressing them to a total stranger.
Exactly, I'm sick of Mysaria being shoe horned into these girl power scenes with Rhenyra.
@@jlogan2228
I don’t like Mysaria at all and, having not read the book, I have no idea why she’s even there or why she’s so dang important.
Its pretty clear why shes there. The white worm is the direct line to the small folk in kings landing. The greens have shown themselves to be vulnerable amidst civil unrest rising. They choose to cage their people in. Having someone on your side who can mobilize the many against the few makes them an invaluable asset.@e.c.winner7252
@@e.c.winner7252 you know
That would’ve made more sense. They both felt confined: Rhaenyra for her lack of training and Jace because of his inexperience.
I also agree: I’m kinda done with Mysaria being shoehorned here.
Skull on dragonstone is definitely NOT Balerion's. His skull is in the Red Keep, where Viserys first told Rhaenyra the prophecy. We also see the the same room with Balerion's skull still in it when Ser Erryk helps Rhaenys escape the Red Keep in S1 Ep9. The skull on Dragonstone is more than likely Meraxes. She was killed in Dorne and they probably had the skull moved to Dragonstone.
Yeah, Meraxes or one of the 4 dragons that came with Balerion from Valyria
This is late but you can even see on her skull were the scorpion pierced her eye
HotD is starting to lose me. A lot of it is starting to feel repetitive and just characters in rooms discussing there feelings. Its always been there but I can really feel the feminist angle coming through in the writing. The show wants to portray characters like Mysaria and Rhaenys as being moral and the voices of reason when there not good people (especially Rhaenys) who is responsible for hundreds of innocent people dying. She would've been a terrible queen yet the series seems to want us to think she did nothing wrong with how no one reacted positively when they saw Meleys' head. At least some of the smallfolk would've cheered because of what she did in the sept. Look at how they reacted to Aegon killing the ratcatchers which was far less deaths. They were horrified by it.
I've noticed HotD really seems to be going out of there way to soften the edges of the female characters actions and either giving it to the male characters (like Aemond locking the gates instead of Alicent) or if they do something bad its handwaved as reactionary to being part of a patriarchal society. When one of them looks bad its usually unintentional on the writers part. Rhaenys killing the smallfolk was intended as a girl power moment. It wasn't meant to make her look bad. This whole show I guarantee you is going to boil down to "Two women who were best friends became enemies and were torn apart because of the patriarchy".
I don't want it to be the case because there's a lot of good elements to this show which is why its even more frustrating when they fumble stuff but I get the feeling there gonna botch the series and its not gonna be as good as it could've been by the ending. They already screwed up with Blood & Cheese which should've been the most insane and talked about moment in GoT history since The Red Wedding but its only been a few weeks and practically no one is mentioning it. I can see why George is unhappy with the changes they're making. There taking a lot of the nuances away from his source material to conform to modern day Hollywood standards. No Mushroom because apparently having a little person whose goofy would be deemed offensive, Making the Velaryons black whose acting is actually pretty good but we know why they cast them that way. Its not because the actors were the most talented but we can't have a show in this day and age with all white people, softening the violence and nudity particularly with women. A lot of the show feels like Game of Thrones the PG-13 edition.
You are a hundred percent correct. Disappointing that our hosts wouldn't call them out on it.
That scene of baela talking down on corlys was so jarring. Imagine a child talking that way to the "lord of the tides" lmao
The Daemon character has been butchered, he's a one-dimensional bad man now. No coming back from that.
What are you talking about? No one is forcing you to see Rhaenyra, Mysaria, Rhaenys or anyone else as good or bad or moral or corrupt. Take them for what they are on screen and you will enjoy the show, but if you insist on accusing the writers of placing a propaganda then you will find no joy in anything.
Tell me who YOU believe to be moral and just in this show and I will give you a handful of reasons why those people suck. No character in this show is perfect or above the rest. Rhaenyra, Mysaria andRhaenys are as flawed as every other character, but at least they are trying their best to do right according to their own beliefs, despite having mixed success. There are also plenty of male characters who you could see as good guys, such as Corlys, Hugh the Hammer, and most especially Jace. You could even argue that Aemond and Aegon are simply victims of their circumstances. But it’s really up to you.
Again, NOBODY is handwaving what Rhaenys did in the dragon pit, or Rhaenyra’s inadequacies as queen, or Mysaria’s past crimes. However, They are at least trying to do better moving forward. A cynical person might call that hypocrisy, but I call that character growth. This is in stark contrast to Alicent, CristonCole, and the rest of the greens who seem to have given in to nihilism and embraced their evilness.
This show is one of the few remaining stories out there today that hasn’t fully succumbed to the woke mind virus. They have a team of passionate authors led by the creator of the books himself, backed by a well respected studio that has decades of experience. This show is beloved world round, and yet here you are, Mr. Jaded old fart, reaching for trivial reasons to hate on it. It might not be perfect, but this is by far the BEST tv show on the planet right now. If you can’t find enjoyment in this, then maybe nothing can make you happy.
@@sherlockinsomniac I'm not saying there's no passion among the creatives but lets not pretend there is no "woke" or modern day Hollywood tropes placed in there. If that wasn't the case then why did they race swap the Velaryons and the White Worm when there white in the source material? Why did they exclude Mushroom? Why shy away from most of the nudity and brutal violence when it surrounds female characters? The show absolutely absolves a lot of what Rhaenys did in the dragon pit because its literally never brought up again within universe aside from Daemon saying she could've killed the Greens. If the writers intended for that to be deemed bad the Greens would've used that to there advantage to poison the commonfolk against Rhaenyra's cause and rightfully so because Rhaenys actually did kill hundreds of innocent people or Rhaenys would've had a scene where she had massive guilt about it and says she probably never should've been queen but instead she gets death that's framed as heroic and noble despite the fact she's currently more responsible for innocent deaths than anyone in HotD.
Yes its more subtle and better written then a lot of crap out there nowadays but to say the feminist subtext isn't there is cope because you want to enjoy something. I like it too but its not perfect and I call out BS when I see it. Also its not the best show on TV when Shogun and The Gentlemen exist. Its also hilarious calling me old when I'm not even 30 LMAO! Hollywood doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt after all the shit they've pulled. They gotta earn back there dignity and respect!
Couldn't agree more
@@LivingGhost1Don't explain yourself you are 100 percent correct. None of it is organic and frankly feels like shitty fan fiction. This show isn't fit to lick the boots of the first few seasons of GOT.
Imagine being some smallfolk person, you've probably seen a dragon flying in the sky. You know only that they breathe fire and fly and are huge.
Next thing you know, a princess' dragon's head is being rolled through the street.
First time seeing one, how big it is, how they can actually die.
The only thought in your head is "those fucking things are gonna be flying over this city now arent they?"
Good point
I can’t believe I’m saying this but if they’re gonna do what happens later then that moment from episode 9 may play an important role
@@justlivin2499Episode 9 and this episode will definitely play a role. Even though the writers are trying to forget the failed ep, they will be able to make up for it. I hope 😅
Imagine Dragons.
@@beden653 i remember when i was hopeful in a song of ice and fire
you should just take it as it comes
I think Cole is traumatized and possibly fears Aemond (if he saw him doing that to Aegon). That's why there was no conversation between them.
Yeah I get the feeling he is traumatized from seeing what dragons can actually do. He feels powerless in a war that has dragons
Also I think he is feeling the pressure of his job and his role and thinking that the World might freaking end.
There was no convo because Aemond went back to Vhagar and flew back right away
Yeah he has PTSD. Also, he has failed in EVERY aspect of his life. His last refuge was being a warrior and battle. And he ceded that to dragons while his king was brutally wounded. Utter failure.
He ran up amd confronted Aemond directly at the crash site when Aemond was holding the ice and fire dagger. So no, he didnt fly back right away, and Cole could have easily confronted him and had a discussion right there about what happened and he didnt. This was literally the ending scene of the episode. @loveoffilm4327
man that old dude in harrenhal is the best so funny and just entertaining DDDD
Simon is quickly becoming my favorite character in the series. I hope he’s really real and not just Daemon’s imagination 😂
The way he speaks and says things reminds me so much of Sam Tarley lol
This works much better with moobler in control of finding scenes so Gary doesn't have to squint and seek the next one while dealing with everything else.
Agreed. And Moobschlie is the best in the world at pausing every frame, so he really should be the one to do it.
Jace gives me heavy Robb Stark vibes, he would by all accounts be a decent ruler but already he has made some minor lapses in judgement that might be his undoing
Jace gives me heavy Zoolander vibes
@@xXMegaWeaponXx Bro can't stop pucking his lips every scene. Its like dude we get it you're handsome but chill LMAO!
Yup,he's the only one who actually gets some shit done among the Blacks.
His mother is just whining around because nobody respects her as a wahmen, Daemon meanwhile is wanking around in Harrenhaal.
Im curious, which minor lapses did he make?
@@dopeanimemind7049 he made a good call here by going to the Freys but it was a very impulsive decision, he’s eager to fight for his claim and if I’ve learned anything from Shogun it doesn’t usually end well for people like that
I really thought that Meleys head being paraded through the streets was going to be the payoff to the dragonpit disaster.
But nope. People of KL forgot this dragon stomped on them
You’re forgetting people see the Targaryens as gods...just look at Christianity the whole world was genocided by a flood and people still worship god
Just like when they kinda forgot that Cersei blew up the Vatican
She killed maybe a couple hundred people. Regardless, they weren't sad the dragon died, they were afraid of what the dead dragon represented.
The show cannot show the Blacks as being bad. It's like it'd written by MSNBC and the Blacks are the Democrats.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 wasn’t daemon just portrayed as a child k****er
Alicent's line - "You what Aemond is. What he has somehow become." Somehow? Somehow!?
You blame alicent for what her children have become, yet not blame viserys? Remember, both sides are his children whom he failed to raise properly. He was their father and king. But sure blame the mom.
@@sherlockinsomniac Cute. I didn't absolve Viseys. I'm highlighting the absurdity of her feigned ignorance.
@@sherlockinsomniache's not blaming Alicent for his upbringing. He's blaming her for acting surprised he turned out this way. Viserys didn't shocked Pikachu face at Aemond being an ass. How hard is to understand jfc
@@sherlockinsomniac I agree. As great as viserys was, he only considered rhanyra his child and that has to give a complex to the kids. And that scene where she defied everyone and slashed rhenyra made me love her ( though apparently it made everyone hate her). In the time jump it appears aliment wasn't a good mom and I don't really get why she sees aemond as a monster
Eh, so far he's not even that bad
The skull on Dragonstone is Meraxes. You can see the hole where the scorpions arrow went through her face
You mean the eyesocket?
@@stijnvandenheuvel8117eyes are part of the face you dunce
@@stijnvandenheuvel8117 drum beat
@@stijnvandenheuvel8117 No, he doesn't. Watch it again.
@alexanderwatson1980 I know, he's probably right. I just mean that you shouldn't actually be able to see a hole there because the bolt went through the eyes.
I found it annoying how the writers seem to think Alicent is the main character when pretty much everyone agrees she’s a supporting role at best. I just rolled my eyes when she claimed she’d make the best regent in a war. Yeah cause there’s not a proven military strategist sitting at the table or anything. You go girl.
Won't be here in a sec, but I got a bot that was pretending to be Gary and used a ton of emojis. Just...the idea of that is too damn funny.
Yea I wanted aegon to be on the season 2 poster against rhaneyra not alicent
@@cursedsolo3112 Honestly it's silly. She has no political power and from my knowledge her role from here on only continues to dwindle, so what the hell?
@@spartanhawk7637 yea I heard she’s basically nothing after aegon becomes king. When I first saw the season 2 poster I was like where’s aegon. This whole series is basically man vs woman . So like where’s the king at lmao. At least put him in the middle between alicent and rhaneyra.
@@spartanhawk7637 but yeah alicent kinda boring to watch. She really is a supporting character lol.
One detail I liked was that Orwell has experience with skin/rotting skin from his time with Viserys. That directly applies to how he was handling Aegon’s injuries. I don’t think it matters, but a cool detail.
Alys could be real, but everyone including Ser Simon sees her as an old woman but Daemon sees her as this young attractive witch.
THIS!! When Simon walks in on Alys bandaging/talking Daemon's hand. He clearly sees and tracks her movement. Simon's look suggests he is wondering why a servant is conversing with Daemon.
I like this theory.
I was thinking the same thing.. everyone sees her as some old hag except the ones she is trying to charm. The book supports this theory somewhat.
@@sandervr.6262 Yes there is confusion as to whether Alys is a younger woman (Lionel's illegitimate daughter) & an older woman who may have been Lionel's wet-nurse. Could be a foreshadow of the last scene in GoTs s6.1 where we see the Red Woman's true form.
@@DianeCee57 Exactly this!
I LOVED the visual of the Bracken turning his back on the dragon.. terrifying
Yeah his face seems twisted into a permanent flinch.
I will say the change to not melt the armor to Aegon is better in my opinion because if the fire was hot enough to melt valerian steel then Aegon would be ashes
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I didn't like it, but slowness has nothing to do with it
The smallfolk not caring about meleys having slaughtered them, daemon having sex fantasies with his mother (?), acting like the problem of the black council is rahenyra being a woman and not the fact that she has not acted yet and they are rapidly losing ground, even making Alfred Broome (whose criticism was on point in the other episodes) just flat out say that he kinda doesn't like women.
Everything Mysaria is also just awful, she is the only actor in this show who is not doing a good job, watching her in the same scene as Rahenyra who is played very well is painful
The episode was overall still decent, but I can't keep overlooking the weird direction the show is taking, it feels like got season 5 where the source material started being just a loose inspiration and the writers headcanon is growing more annoying by the episode.
The dance is badly written in the book (infinetely respawning riverlanders lol), so I am willing to forgive and even appreciate a lot of changes, but this feels like a warning for things to come.
Its obviously nit as good as oldest GOT season. But its still really good. My main problems are probably that writers keep making explosive endings to every episode, which works like 8/10 times maybe but in some episodes it just ruins the characters and worldbuilding i think. Like ep 9 during aegons coronation dragon killing people. Or in 3rd episode somehow rheynira talked to alicent, that was really weird.
But i think overral they did a great job with the show.
What do you not like specifficaly? What scenes for example?
They need to rework the Riverlands plot for sure, The Riverlands surviving against the armies of Criston Cole, the Lannisters, Baratheons and Aemond on Vhagar was the stupidest thing. They should've been knocked out of the war fairly quickly honestly, especially when Vhagar got involved.
@@edwardirwin3478 i dont think its that simple. you also have to remeber this season takes place in only a few weeks. armies sometimes take months to muster and travel. plus riverlands have dozens of huge castles, vhagar cant be everywhere all at once.
@@Thor12233 i'm talking about the book plot. As OP said, the Riverlanders had infinitely respawning men. They fought 3 armies which were bigger than their own and still survived at the end of the war, while a giant dragon was also destroying them, very bad writing from George.
Remember, Jaime captured the Riverlands with 30.000 men in GoT when the Riverlands were stronger and more united. Here they're in civil war and House Tully is basically leaderless
@@edwardirwin3478 you have a point but lore wise speaking fire and blood was written by maesters and some other dude frogot his name. There are some obvious lies written and then theres some not so obvious. The point is whoever wrote those numbers has a bias. It for you to decide if the story is true or the maesters are full of shit.
But Baela being made heir to Driftmark doesn't make sense because she's the future queen of Westeros since she's bethrothed to Jace.
Don't worry, they need more POC in the main cast, so they'll probably get in the bastard of "Corlys"
I know right... it's called bad writing 🤷🏽♂️
@@dankato6380 how is it bad writing? Corlys litteraly has no other true heirs. Beala and rheina are only grandchildren he has. And beala is the elder.
Edit: plus thats what his wife wanted.
@@reasonablyseriouswe’ve literally already seen his bastard
@@dankato6380i don’t think you understand media
I'm not liking Season 2 as much. just not flowing as well.
This was one of those take a shot for every time "being a woman" is brought up in conversation and you'll be dead before the credits
I mean, it's a pretty important part of the story. In most cases it would annoy me, but that's a large plot point in this story. One of the main excuses for the greens usurping the throne is people not wanting a woman to be the heir. A lot of the council on both sides don't respect a woman's leadership or decision making, which played out on both councils this episode. So, being annoyed about it makes no sense with this show, that's a major piece of the story and a big excuse used to justify a lot of the actions in this story and how the men feel about everything.
But it’s properly written, not just “girl boss beating meanie men”. No it recognizes the flaws. For example Rhaenyra admits she is not qualified for war, because her father never raised her for it. Although she gets a nice shot back that no one at her council has been battle tested nor part of a campaign. But it’s still true that she is out over her ski’s with war planning. Her own son however is able to make appropriate moves on the board without her.
Alicent is a great queen in peace time, but again war is different, and she can’t sit across from Rhaenyra whose main problem is being a woman queen and there are legitimate successors.
@@CulperCast outside source material
I don't mind it in this context either. Everything is well set up and has internal consistency. All the characters, male and female, are written as complex individuals with understandable motivations and traits that dictate their actions. The women in this show aren't girl-boss Mary sues; they just make different poor decisions from the men sometimes.
The only irritating vibes I'm getting are from the White Worm. I'm not sure if it's the writing in her scenes or if the actress just isn't up to the job, or if it's something else entirely. She comes across as 2 dimensional to me regardless, and that's a sharp contrast to the rest of the characters in this show, including some of the minor ones.
Even Rhenerys, with all her haughtiness and confidence, is frequently wrong. S01E09 is an obvious abomination. But even when Corlys (admittedly in mourning) follows her advice to make Baella the heir, Baella just flat out rejects the position without a second thought. Rhenerys' advice wasn't bad, but it didn't account for everything either.
Welll yes, that is an important part of the story. The world of the story puts them under men
Daemon reaping what he did was so satisfying. But gosh the episode beginning with the small folk reaction was so cringe cus the writers don’t want to admit or acknowledge the massive fuck up of episode 9 in season 1
Hold up. The small folks will have no idea which dragon it was.
In fact, this may have helped the case. One of the bystanders said, "I thought dragons was god." The scene where Rhaenys killed thousands must be interpreted by the smallfolk as something the gods willed.
Tbh in a city with 1 million people I understand why many people don't recognize Meleys or possibly don't even care and only think about what could happen if Dragons were to meet abouve King's landing, but I genuienly don't believe the writers really understand the reprecussions of season 1 episode 9, and haven't heard any critisims towards it. If anything the response they've heard was a bunch of retards on twitter going: Yas, slay queen!
The writers could potentially use that moment to help build up something else that’s coming and if they do it well I might be willing to forgive them for that
@@omsaxena116 to counter this condol noted the smallfolk do know which it is, he said they know it because it used to fly over the city a lot, so either condol is just saying stupid things for the extra's or that line about dragons being god is a throw away line not meant to represent the smallfolk, as condol more implied they were sad not just shocked
@@commissargrungor1948 I believe all the interviews the actors and such do regarding the story of the show are off the mark. They take away different things from the story as me and other fans. If Condal did say anything, I will wait for his statements to reflect in the actual show. Right now, looking at the product itself, I find my line of thinking very sound.
Also, given that he's saying the truth, I think he would be referring to Jahaerys' reign when Rhaenys was not yet married to Corlys. That would be the only good time for her to ride around King's Landing freely. Would they really remember the dragon from that far back in time?
The smell of radical feminism is growing stronger episode by episode.
Yes, my thoughts exactly! Iceing Damon in Harrenhal, because too many people liked him best in the first season instead of recognizing the stunning and brave girls. Now the once cool white man has trip after trip for 5 episodes.
@@janhensel7241 need gary and co to call it out and not just go gaga over how good HOTD S2 is.
Are they heading toward Rhaena/Jeyne Arryn?
Omg can you people shut up
@@karljonson3287 why don't u try? wokie.
Alicent missed out on many council meetings because she was sick with moon tea, and the councils where she was present she never said anything but just sulked while others talked. Not a great record, if you want to convince people to let you rule now.
Yea her "ruling" was mostly just listening to the men talk and say what she agreed with while her dad pretty much ran things
The scene was just another excuse to use the trope "men don't like women in power". Yes, that's the whole point of the Dance but we don't need to hear it in every second sentence.
@@kateris1976 So far, the women in the show aren't doing a very good job showing they should be in power, that's the ironic thing.
Alicent is just absent and refuses to participate, to then complain no one does what she wants.
Rhaenyra and Rhaenys constantly shut down the men in their council who want them to take action to do nothing instead, which allows Cole to set the trap at Rook's Rest and ruin the position of the blacks.
@@frankvandorp2059 sure, the writers are dropping the ball in this one. They portray them as you say and on top of that they constantly throw in the misogyny trope. Not that this mentality didn't exist, but at least justify the unfair of the thing by showing women giving sound advice and being ignored...
Basically her only idea is "don't go to war!"
A show where actions have consequences... unbelievable this day and age...
Tell that to Rhaenys
@@Hero_Of_Old The dumbest character of the show
I’m not sure the River Lords were ever even at the castle. Remember that Alys wanted Daemon to start thinking about the smallfolk, and suddenly in the middle of the night when he’s already dreaming, he’s ripped out of bed to go talk to four uncanny River Lords who directly address Alys’ concerns and then turn and walk out?
I doubt that, because Simon strong was reacting to the situation as well, and laena appeared in that scene, so she would have to be a vision within a vision. Not impossible but unlikely
@@e.c.winner7252 How would Simon strong be the one to retrieve Daemon from his quarters? It would be different if Alys retrieved him and brought him to them, but Simon is clearly a very grounded character who is almost Daemons voice of reason right now. Your theory kinda falls apart with just him being there sorry.
It had been a few days since he gave the order so thme showing up hearing about the black woods being enabled by Daemon isn’t too weird
@@sarwatarannya8786 wouldn't it be crazy if Alys is the only person actually there, and daemon has just been wandering around an empty castle for weeks
Gary and the guys seem to have such rose tinted glasses on for House of the Dragon. It's average at best with some terrible characters and storylines. The white worm spy woman is terribly written and acted badly at the same time. Daemon bumbling about in harrenhal in some dream, whilst some witch talks to him like crap is all getting silly. Hope Gary and the guys can start poking some fun at some of this ridiculousness.
You have no idea what Damons storyline will be. You have tiktok brain that cant comperhend to watch the story unrevel
Destiny: Looks down at Boogie. At least I’m not as bad as him.
Boogie: Looks down at Hasan. At least I’m not as bad as him.
Hasan: Look at all the people looking at me.
Ewan Mitchell, Aemond Targaryen, would make a fantastic Elric of Melnibone, shame we'll probably never see it.
He would make a great Drizzt.
@@KendraMorgan-ob2fr True, but Drizzt, like Geralt, is just another PALE imitation of the original 🙂
@@foreshame7370 yeah I understand that. For longest time I couldn't picture a actor for him until Ewan in Hotd.
He will always be Baby Monk to me
Who's that?
On the note of "there should be a bunch of dragons here", we do have to remember the dragons are insane on the CGI budget.
I'd rather they use the budgets wisely on the sets and costumes, and only save the CGI for when it's really needed, like the dragon battle last episode. They have been very prudent with their spending thus far.
Bad news, from the looks of it(and from George's comments in his blog). Nettles is omitted as a character. History repeating itself and we know what this leads to. They are going to fuck this up...
As far as I know they just stated that Nettles won’t appear in this specific season
@@applebees563 Let's hope. Nettles is a HUGE character in the book. Just like (F)Aegon was in GOT
i heard that they are giving the Nettles storyline to Raena..
@@Copernicus91 yup. Dumb move
Hollywood logic. Lets race swap pre-existing white characters then omit the characters from the source material that are actually diverse.
I don't get why everyone blames Aemond for Aegon's burns. Sure he deliberately attacked him with dragonfire, but Aegon wasn't even supposed to be there. He was not part of the plan. Alicent bullied him into a rash action of trying to earn fame and glory in battle. Such lack of consideration compared with lack of battle experience can more often than not lead to injury or death. Rhaenyra's council always kept her from going into battle herself, while Aegon's council didn't care when their king flew away alone on his dragon. That's on them.
I think the skull in the crypt is supposed to be Meraxes because it kinda looks like it's taken some damage around the eye. Meraxes was shot through the eye in Dorne.
This maester might be the most purely good character we've seen in this franchise. Just a dude doing his job, seems to have no interest in power.
This episode was kinda boring. Nothing egregious but wasted potential for sure. The scene of Baela and Corlys was amazing though
HotD is not a good show. It will not age well.
It has more in common with late series GoT than early GoT.
It's not great, I agree
Absolutely not true. Everythings been great for season 2 so far.
consoomers will praise it and ignore valid criticism. Its a bad show, based on a good story, and given an adequate budget.
@@vit4mint685 its better than source material. How about that dummy book reader
It's in S6 levels of writing now.
Anyone else feel like this season is underwhelming? Was super disappointed in the blood & cheese intro.
The Black Council is tedious and repetitive. I skip those sections.
Skyrim dragons are much more powerfull than from GoT, their language is magic, literally casting spells through words and can only be granted true death by Dragonborn that consume their souls, otherwise they respawn, Alduin being basically god of time he's immortal and needs to be under Dragonrend shout effect to be killed, which forces the concept of mortality on his soul.
I wish I shared your optimism that we've seen the last of this trash. Renewing this for season two would be insane, so I fully expect Disney to do it.
I really enjoyed the comparison between Daemon and Jace's choices in trying to sway the Riverlands in the absence of orders.
Are we supposed to believe that Daemon - most worldly of the people at court in King's Landing suddenly doesn't know how the world functions? Show seems to really be knocking him down hard. He's gone from ruthless and cunning to dim and one-dimensional. "BOW TO MY DRAGON, WHY THAT NO WORK duhhhhhh".
He is a diehard targaryen supremacist who thinks he can do anything because he is who is. He never expected the riverlanders or house bracken to not fear him. Daemon hasn't been shown to be particularly politically savvy, he is impulsive, violent and he wants the throne. I think his actions are completely in line with his character.
@@sarwatarannya8786the daemon we came to know would do something to MAKE them fear him tho.. not just ponder why they don't.
@@sarwatarannya8786 Shit one-dimensional character than.
I mean he's literally being mindfucked by the magic vision BS of Harrenhall, so he's not really functioing well as a human being.
Also you do have to be kinda fucking mad not to yield to a dragon. The only character we've seen do that was the crab guy sin season one, and he didn't seem like a well adjusted individual (still conducted a neat little guerilla campaign agains Deamon).
Viserys didn't ride Balerion very often, because the dragon was to weak. Most likely infected with firewryms, after that little unauthorised trip to Valyria😅
The dragon was also over 200 years old at that point.
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I thought episode 5 was terrible. The showrunners tried to make us feel bad about the old lady dying, even though she murdered dozens of innocent people.
The entire episode was just a feminist wet dream of women talking about themselves being women and how all the men around them are incompetent.
Jace i competent, Corlys is competent, Amond is, Larys is wtf are you talking about
And even in this ep both Alicent and Rhynera arent shown as competent
Did we watch the same episode?
Best dragon is Ancalagon! 😅
no one has said anything about Aegon mumbling "Mummy" in his bed. If Alicent talked to him he wouldve heard. But yet again she doesnt say anything. Feel bad for the kid! F*** Alicent
What can she say? She probably feels guilty because she was the last person to talk to him before he went and become a crisp.
They did address that, you must have missed it?
The morality in this show is weird. The give Aegon that scene with his bastards in the fighting pits, which as far as I know wasn't in the books but then make him relatable and sad. And then they are so obsessed with championing the smallfolk, which isn't bad in itself, but make the weirdest characters do that.
Why would Misaria, Lady Misery and Alys Rivers give a shit about the smallfolk? They should be scary, secretive and powerful women, not superman.
Edit: I am aware they are smallfolk themselves, but that doesn't mean they are selfless and charitable characters. Just like Alicent doesn't fight for women's rights why should a witch and mistress of whispers fight for peasants?
Good people don't seek out power in court
Yea, agree about aegon, I'd rather ignore the green council episode, if you remove it from your brain, the show automatically gains two points, about the smallfolk point tho, you're completely off mark
1) You don't have to be selfless to try to improve the lives of smallfolk, especially given the fact YOU are a smallfolk
2) there's nothing contradictory about being a witch or a mistress of whispers and also trying to improve smallfolks rights or even being selfless, which I wouldn't say they are
3) they can still be scary and secretive and do awful things while also having a morally good goal in mind
@@baalsagol346 I agree, but in the show it just feels repetitive. Instead of doing things like Varys for example would they just keep bitching and moaning about the smallfolk when realistically most Targaryens won't care (Rhaenyra maybe, but only because they've made her much more heroic than in the books). It would be more effective if they manipulated those in power. And Mysaria specifically was called Misery by the small folk, it's not the nickname I would choose for someone who champions my interests. With Alys it makes a bit more sense I suppose?
@junecatira6338 I'm pretty sure that's what they're doing, they're trying to manipulate them, Alys with visions, misery with words and actions that benefit rhaynera, which, if she becomes queen will help the smallfolk and her
About the nickname, she seems to be like what the theories about varys (at least in the in the books) suggest, with the little birds and assassinations of competent rulers and creation of chaos, doing bad things with a good cause in mind, I imagine things like, slitting the throat of a shop owner not willing to pay protection but at the same time supports the local business, kills corrupt gold cloaks and rival crime gangs who only take and abuse other smallfolk
Hack, maybe she even has the same exact plan as varys (from the theory), which is to build funds both knowledge and monetary, and gain power until being able to take it up with the rulers, I mean varys literally started the same way as her, being a powerful prince of crime
And before you going to say "the show didn't show that", as someone already did elsewhere, the show isn't over and she's not dead yet, there's still plenty of time and opportunities to show that
@@baalsagol346 well I do hope they do that with her. I don't have high hopes solely because they seem to write the girls more virtuous than how they are in the book.
Also I'm a bit sad with what they've done with Aemond, he was sadistic in the books regarding Lucerys but loyal to Aegon and it's been flipped in the show for some reason(?
You forget the Vale Knights can cross thousands of miles and never be seen.
Season 2 SUCKS. Full of feminism even more intersectional diversity box checking, pointless conversations, and other garbage and the writing has greatly worsened
Either dont watch it or continue to cry about it like a lil byatch
Daemon, the best thing in Season 1 has had a very disappointing story arc this season.
Elder Scrolls lore is insane. Bath salts mad. You look at it and think, "oh, humans, elves, dragons, demons, this looks so normal." But then you find out the dragons are not just as smart as humans, they're actually the demigod children of the god of time that do not perceive time linearly (and their existence is not linear either), who can truly be killed only by another dragon who consumes their soul as they will otherwise return, and their voices (shouts) directly manipulate reality. Their fights are actually just fiery debates. And the big bad dragon, Alduin, is supposed to literally eat the world. Chomp it down bit by bit. Or maybe at once, who knows.
And that's long before you get to the really weird stuff like the Heart of Lhorkan, dragon breaks, the towers, or CHIM.
Yea that's something to look forward to if / when they do adapt it and done right would be really cool
Everything to do with the Tribunal and Morrowind is more interesting than the dragon stuff and aesthetically weird af, I hope they dig into that more tbh
I'm not seeing any of the "Daemon influence" on Jace that Mauler and Ryan talk about TBH. Characters seem pretty far removed from each other.
The way he was standing while talking to Rhaenyra on the council last episode did remind me of the way Daemon was presenting himself last season when he talked with the two kingsguards with Caraxes.
@frankvandorp2059 "but but but didn't you see the way he stood and placed his hands on the hilt of his sword?"
😅😅😅
I recently noticed that there is a problem. Sam called his book A Song of Ice and Fire and according to the series, he came up with it himself.
Funny coincidence that he calls the story exactly what aegon called his prophecy in the dream^^
Yeah what 😂😂 well that's Dumb and Dumber writing so it's okay
Lol
Otto knew Aemond and Cole plotting. Maybe he will do something soon?
Has he not already?
That is Meraxes' skull, Balerion's is in the red keep, Rhaenys sees it when she escapes in episode 9, it would make sense since after the first Dornish war when princess Deria came to offer Aegon the deal she brought the skull of Meraxes with her and then handed Aegon a letter from her father that made him angry and he left for Dragonstone immediately after maybe to see Rhaenys before she died, so Aegon may have moved the skull of Meraxes to Dragonstone since he spent most of his time there and left Visenya in charge of King's Landing.
Allicent was immediately suspicious of Aemond because……… she read the script?? She watched last week’s episode??? Seriously, why would she suspect him of doing anything wrong? He would have been the first one to return from battle and the first one to report to her what happened. He would have told her his version of the story- that Aegon flew in unexpectedly and would have been killed by Rhaenys if he, Aemond, hadn’t intervened- and she wouldn’t have any reason to doubt him until word (or whispers) reached the capital from soldiers or Criston or other witnesses. And as for Criston, he seems terrified of Aemond, but not too terrified to stop himself dropping hints that feed Allicent’s suspicions, which just makes him seem like a moron. Terrible subplot, should have been reworked, or just scrapped and had Allicent sidelined for an episode.
Larys could have easily told her...
He has the dagger, doesn't he? And she seems to think that he deliberately killed Luke, so it's not that far fetched. I agree that she doesn't need to be focused on as much, but she will have probably noticed that one of her sons is an idiot and the other is calculating and ambitious.
Bro we’ve seen her apprehension of trusting Aemond ever since he claimed he went after Luke as reparations for his eye. Then she eyes the dagger on his waist as he smiles overlooking the city while aegons body is being carted in secretly. Why wouldn’t she be suspicious Aemond also just went after both of them to become the ruler?
Alicent had no reason to suspect Aemond, him having the dagger doesn't mean shit. You're right, she's acting like she's read the script.
@@Gojeto346 I just rewatched the first few minutes. He’s not smiling, just standing there with a neutral expression. And having the dagger doesn’t mean anything more than that he recovered it from his brother when they found him after the battle. But still she immediately eyes him with suspicion. I will concede though that in the next scene in Aegon’s bedchamber Aemond confirms her suspicion by walking in just to say that “someone must rule in his stead”, but that only means that *another* character was made to act stupidly in service of this unnecessary plot line.
This is the only Nerdrotic stream I purposefully avoid watching Live, and then watch the full video attentively after I've watched the episode. Great stuff guys, keep 'em coming.
Ryan Condal said Melys is a beloved dragon by the smallfolk. LOL!
Then they really shouldn’t have pushed THAT scene last season 🤦♀️
Was not a great episode, but oh well. It was nice seeing Alicent get put in her damn place though. Like, you’re not a leader sweetheart… You were selected as a political marriage to produce heirs… Your job is done.
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The skull that appears in the background when Rhaneyra tells her son the prophecy is Meraxes. He died from a scorpion's spear in his eye. It is possible to see the hole caused by the injury to the skull.
I don't understand why they say the dragon exploded when it fell. If you look at his body, it remained intact in the middle of the castle wall. Yes, there was some fire when he hit the ground, but there could be other explanations for that. For example, the impact made him release some flame or he fell into an area with flammable material or there simply is no reason... the fire was added by the producers just to "look cool". But when you comment that the dragon exploded, it gives me the impression that it exploded like the shark at the end of Jaws kkkk.
Congratulations on the videos. It's always really fun (and educational) to see your content.
The crowd shots were hilarious. No one was even pretending to look at the dragon
"It just feels like opportunities to poison are everywhere, ya know?"
Indeed they are Longman, indeed they are 😏
uuhh The Gary parts & Technicolor Mauler toy store Lore DDDDD great Writing
Ffs Gary yes we know you've read the book, so don't do speculation and stop trying to drop hints!
Love the inclusion of all the lesser lords and smallfolk so far this season. Adds so much to making the kingdoms feel real
Lord Nick Cave as a rat warg is my favorite theory so far
Elder Scrolls dragons vs GoT/HotD dragons: panel failed, but the chat stepped up. As someone who watches a lot of content around Elder Scrolls and similar content, it was odd to be watching something on YT and no one could talk about it.
WAY BETTER, With Mauler on the 1s & 2s this time, BEKUZ he can move thru scenes without bringing everything to a screeching halt, js
They probably changed the person who ordered the closing of the gate from alicent to aemond to push the agenda of "men make all the bad decisions and women could've done better".
Lmao gary said "unreliable narrator"... the willful blindness is now embarrassing and i can no longer depend on gary's takes for this show
The book is shit lmao cope harder
But we've seen multiple time women making bad decisions in this show. Are you that brainrotted?
That last scene witj aegon and alicent
"Mummy" as she walks away uncaringly.
That's just sad.
Balerion was old and weary by the time Viserys got to ride him. That’s why he didn’t ride after that once.
Currently sitting here, this might be my least favourite episode of all house of the dragon.
This season at least.
@nakki123 I think off the top of my head, all of season 1 was better than this ep.. I could be wrong though..
@nakki123 actually your right season 1 ep 9 is still the worst piece of dog shit
Fr, this some episode 9 shit right here
It will get worse, count on it.
I appreciate your guys effort to keeping this show strictly about game of thrones. When all the real life drama dies down, we will still need these episodes to rewatch.
sorry mates
It is getting pretty boring
episode 5 was a bust
and there doesnt seem to be any hope for the next episodes
the pacing is slow
we have seen damon in harrenall for too long now
we have seen raenyra in dragonstone for too long now
we have seen alicent in the kings landing for too long now
the main focus seem to be on the FEMALE cast
WOKE ANYONE?
Very woke
Lmao the brainrot in your head is in full effect.
@@karljonson3287 This show is 100% a feminist take on the source material and has been since the first scene of the series. It's ok if you enjoy it, that's cool. I have fun watching it, I just don't deny the obvious. It's just funny the youtubers who make living seething about everything woke can't call it out, maybe they're just so used to watching trash anything competently made is gunna seem amazing. 😂
@@blinkusfishus2052 you do not have an example of it?
@@karljonson3287 Scene 1 episode 1. The Great Council is changed from a vote about Viserys VS Laenor to Viserys VS Rhaenys, which Viserys now wins because penis, I could keep going...
If no one said it during live. The dragon skull is Meraxes. If you look really close you see one of the eye sockets is gaping hole from the scorpion bolt.
This show, DEI all over the place, girl boss is coming soon and its gonna turn into all other shit that we hate
Just say n word already, we know that's what you really want to say
I love how the blue collar dude said "its just meat" then when the commoners were locked in the city they started chanting they wanted meat.
it was BORING needs more Aegon and Aemond
Not remotely boring.
It was a tad boring@@MegaSpideyman
When they showed the lemon in the salt right after they showed Aegon's charred body, I winced so hard!
Is he doing a live stream of the episode 6 review? Surprised it's not up yet.
he's too gutted by the announcement that joe biden has dropped out of the race
It’s probably start in the next 40 minutes
hopefully…
still nothing lol
The last was Aegor the Cruel vs. his nephew, Aegon the Uncrowned.
So far the season was weak
Agreed. And I’m really over the oh my God women oppressed, innuendo literally in every episode.
To be fair, their sidelining makes sense in this story that was written way before DEI bullshit
This is boring they need to get the good shit they are dragging this out because wb has nothing else!
@@Mr_Bones.
The source material yes, not the scripts tho.
And the source material is thin. The original plan for 3 seasons might have worked but 4 is seriously stretching it.
People have no problem acknowledging it with The Hobbit but drag their feet here when you're adapting a similar amount of pages to thrice the length of the Hobbit trilogy...
A lot of scenes in the episode where women good men bad conversations. Always a little cringe. Alicent was shaking she was so triggered at the table
Every woman has to constantly point out how bad men are and how oppressed they are. It's the only negative on the show to me
@@willbeard4835But the men turn out to be right in the end. Balance
@@krankinthehog4984 so you're cool with the "women bad men good" though? The entire show is about the ills of the patriarchy. If you didn't get that from the first episode of the first season, you should be embarrassed. It's a bit late to start criticizing the entire concept of the show.
@FringeSpectre no I got that from the first episode of the first scene but this whole episode was a lot more than usual lol they had to tell us like 6 times in one episode
Yep these guys always mention this when they talk about other shows but never notice it when it's this show. Not even Ryan! Rhaenyra is a poor undecisive leader yet the members of her council are seen as uninjed old white men that wants to go to war. But someone has to do something! And all she does is sulk and brood.
loving the specific Fringy questions DDDDD yeah
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Balerion was infected with xenomorph worm things from a flight to Valirya. They ate him from the inside out.
38:39 I love that Ryan is an unofficial comedian, often he has better jokes than Chrissie. Maybe Ryan is just excellent at spontaneous fully fleshed out humour.
Ryan is naturally sardonic without needing to try too hard
Thanks for the wrap up gents
The scene with Daemon and the Riverlords protesting felt a bit off, as if they're telling us things they could easily have shown us.
For example, what if we saw the Blackwood troops doing these terrible things, and then later Daemon gets the message that only few lords have declared for him, because they need to tend to burned septs, others are trying to deal with refugees, and then letters of protest start appearing, et cetera.
You’re assuming that was real or accurate to what was happening.
Not seeing what the Blackwoods are doing works better IMO; Daemon letting them of the leash, not fully understanding how bad the feud between the two clans is, and remaining ignorant of the consequences while he walks around Harrenhall in a magical stupor until one night all the other lords come to lodge a complaint in person is a much better illustration of how isolated and out of his depth he is.
@@TedSaint-r5b Why wouldn't it be, what motive do these random lords have to make it up?
@@frankvandorp2059 I’m talking about his perception of events being distorted. We don’t even know if that last scene is really happening.
@@TedSaint-r5b It didn't feel very unreal though. The other scenes with Daemon dreaming felt clearly off, and mostly featured people from Daemon's personal past. Why would he hallucinate these Riverlords who he doesn't know or really care about?
Season 2 has been so fucking boring, and the message is starting to get too obvious..
Starting to?
What message?
If theyve really cut nettles and gave her story to rhaena im gonna be so fucking pissed, and it seems so. Hotd will have completely lost me
1:13:41 No, Ryan, Dave Filoni is in the dog!
It was nice to have time to breathe in this latest one, you can't have 100 miles an hour every episode or it becomes too frantic.
I would name this episode "Alicents reality check"
Almost 5 scenes in a row of woman either dominating and talking down to men, or controlling the conversations in situations they wouldn't have been. E.g the Frey's. After 5 in a row it became a little heavy handed.
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It was so on the nose in this episode. If you can't see it here, you shouldn't be able to see it in any other show.
I wonder if that Sara chick was responsible for this episode
I don’t understand Cristen Cole’s reaction to the men being burned….he has fought a bunch of battles and seen a bunch of men die including his own….would you rather be charred to death quickly or stabbed/face bashed in with a malice and slowly die?
So because 900 of his men die in one battle as opposed to a couple hundred? He has been around death for a long time. Why does it matter because it was by dragon? Makes no sense
I think it’s just the realization of “oh shit.. well what the hell are men with swords supposed to do? AGAINST DRAGONS?” Especially seeing the dragons spinning & firing (?idk what word to use😅) in the sky. Personally I think my immediate thought would be “OK so what if we win on ground BUT the other sides dragon wins? we’re fked”
Loved Criston this episode though, him just having the realization of the horrors of a war with dragons.