The TRUTH about GAMEMAX Power Supplies...
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Finding out the full story requires both sides, and today I researched in-depth to what actually happened in our previous video. And it was actually a really bizarre outcome that occurred...
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So with the sticker change and fake branding, doesn't this mean they were counterfeited?
Surely Australia has anti-counterfeiting laws.
Its bizarre because it is a gamemax powersupply though...?
@@techyescity The ACCC would be the ones to deal with this kind of thing I would imagine, just need to present the case to them.
@@techyescity I might be wrong, but in my head, it'd be like someone selling iPhone 7's in iPhone SE boxes; yeah, its an official product, and they look the same, and even function similarly, but it's not the product they're saying they're selling.
From Apple's perspective, I doubt they care whether you put an iPhone 7 or a cheap chinese knock-off, the moment they reseal the box and try to sell it as new, that's counterfeiting.
That's how I'm thinking about it, anyway.
@@techyescity Yes, but if they were trying to sell you a 10400K as a 10900K.. it would be counterfeit ... yes.?? Same as the "stores" that pass off fake graphic cards.. calling a 780 a 1080, with the bios to match... still it's fake.. fake watches, fake purses... you get the idea... fake is fake, even with a different label on it.. The law might not catch them on a day to day basis, but I would like to think that they would go after these "stores" if people told them..
@@techyescity yes but the specifications were forged so it is counterfeit in some respect. Ebay would refund it as in reality you didn't buy what was listed.
Good work Bryan, hate scammers myself.
Yes good investigation, the capitalism is propice for scammers, scamming directly new generations polluting and wasting ressources.
The laws are not made for general interest, with the state being weaker in this joke of democracy corrupted and nontransparent.
Scalpers: "well... I'm something of a scammer myself"
If anything seeing the Gamemax 350W deal with these mega loads and not just go BANG like so many of the other lesser known brand PSUs is quite impressive. Can’t see their 650W PSU as being a bad option now if their low end holds up that well.
But 100% agree on the scammers, I’m currently chasing refunds due to lack of stock and scam artists over here in the UK exploiting that complete lack of PC Component Stock.
We need more Budget PSU Reviews like this 👍
Based on the single PCIe connector present in the fake "VP-650" it was probably a VP-500 or VP-450 that got rebadged into the "VP-650". The VP-350 doesn't have a PCIe connector but the 450/500 each have one PCIe and the 500 has a 3rd 4 pin Molex over the 450. ua-cam.com/video/MYo5-JIV4C0/v-deo.html
they also have fully modular rgb psus with 850w
@@joefowble Most likely 450W then , which is a bit less impressive but t didn’t blow up and destroy itself completely which is a perk
@@robertking3090 Got the 750W and had for a few months and have no issue.
You mean more worryingly a good quality power supply from any reputable manufacturer should have over current protection and shut the system down should the demand exceed what the PSU is capable of supplying and not do what their power supply does which is supply more current than it can realistically handle hence why it was overheating and starting to smell had he ran it for longer I am willing to bet the power supply would have popped or maybe caught fire.
These dodgy retailers need to be investigated by the authorities. Not only are they scamming customers but are creating fire hazards in homes. Great video
And potentially making a business look worse then what it may be
I used to use a 600 watt gamemax psu for my pc and I had no problem running a 2080 on it. They even sent me 3 rgb fans for free. It was one of the nicer power supplies I've owned.
Gamemax needs to sue the people counterfeiting them.
Good luck suing fly by night sellers.
2:34 - Yeah, that "650W" sticker on the box is pretty suspect. That would have sent me looking for any non-ebay listings for a VP-650.
Did GameMax offer any suggestions on how to visually ID the internal components of a "650W"? Perhaps Ebay should contact all the buyers of the non-existent "650W" model and give them refunds (funded from the seller's account)... it's certainly their policy to cancel the accounts of sellers of known counterfeits? Even a sticker on the internal PCB might be enough to help discourage conterfeits.
5:42 - Replacement sticker on other side probably is due to placing original sticker down on a heated surface to soften the glue while they add new sticker on the opposite side that's facing up, then flip and peel off the original sticker with the heat-softened adhesive. It looks like there's so few cables on that "VP-650" vs the true VP-600 in those side profile shots.
Update: checked out the original review video again and the seller (with over 14,000 feedback) no longer has 650W gamemax PSUs but apparently still are selling "550W" GX550-A ones that have no PCIe power cables at all and don't correspond to any gamemax model I could find. www.ebay.com.au/itm/SALE-550W-ATX-Power-Supply-4-4pins-P4-AMD-24-20pin-2xSATA-4x-Molex-1x-FDD/113217085758
You are not measuring ripple, You are measuring vdroop(as you said) and voltage stability. To measuring ripple you need an oscilloscope with a sample rate of at least 5mhz, as you need to look at the 100khz to 1mhz range(it depends on the pwm frq. of the psu). The ripple might be 200mv or 10mv - you just dont know unless you get the oscilloscope. Otherwise great video :)
Right. This is the comment.
Vripple can only be accurately measured through an oscilloscope
@J Fz So he shouldn't be doing PSU reviews. He doesn't know what he's talking about and he doesn't have the equipment to actually test them. Doing these half-arsed reviews is nothing but damaging to his credibility.
That said, his credibility is more damaged by accusing GameMax of the stuff he did in the first video after buying from a random ebay account and failing to verify the product he bought. This whole thing is absurd.
@J Fz jep. But the video is still good and relevant👍
@J Fz no need to forgive him. He still did a god job.
@J Fz Jep. I think stuff like this is not uncommon.
Hey Brian,
when i originally saw your first video on the GameMax powersupplies, I was very suprised. Mainly because I had been using a GameMax VP-500-RGB for a year at that point. And to be honest, it was the WORST experience i could have experienced with my first PC build. There were many problems with the PSU. thankfully since december i have switched to a EVGA unit that has made everything a much better experience.
problems:
1. underpowered, wasnt delivering enough power causing many crashes
2. the fan inside the powersupply was not properly seated, causing a loud rattling sound that couldn't be fixed.
Thank you for making the videos about these problems, and I hope that others wont experience the same problems I have faced with GameMax PSU's.
Thanks to you're videos I gave myself enough reason to switch to a more reliable brand and PSU.
I love it when Tech YES rips power supplies apart and...exposes both the inside and shady business practises.
Yeah... and i'm always astonished that nothing goes up in flames. Maybe i should pull the plug beforehand ?
Yeah but in this case, someone was selling fake crap. This thing happens on ebay and amazon all the time. For example check the 40$ 1TB micro SD's on amazon, it's just hilarious.
@@MrXHDTV it happens over and over again... and to be honest, at times i buy obvious fakes when there's an sort of insurance. On Amazon i had like 5 or 6 fake graphics, immediately put a claim and do a negative review with a lot of pictures and got fully refunded while keeping the card (or let's rather say the attached coolers that now serve in other projects). I wouldn't recommend that gamble on ebay and Paypal though...
Sup macro
@@slay3rgamingyt Worddd....
Tech yes city: When something looks too good to be true, it usually is. (16:00)
Also tech yes city: Ok so in this $200 gaming setup we have got a $45 rx580 8gb i bought from a shady guy in a dark suburban alley.
There were big risks taken in that second play :P
@@techyescity its all about that risk reward judgement!
@@techyescity Me with a $10 GTX670 that's working perfectly:
Great test.
Nothing like the smell of fresh solder fumes wheb you start up your PC for the first time. In my old build I put some cheapo falcon "600" w supply. It took a while for the fumes to clear, but suprisingly it still works.
My CX550m still smells like that, and I’ve had it for months.
@@EvilTurkeySlices This power supply smelled for half a year and then the smell disappeared. It worked fine. I sold that PC to a friend. It is still working fine, I've recently cleaned it for him. It is two years to this day, and the psu works fine. Although it is an older system with an i5 4590 and a low budget gpu.
game max should pursue legal action. they wont stop till game max takes legal action. game max should also get with ebay and have the store page taken down. im sure its against ebays tos somewhere.
It was mentioned in the video that Gamemax had issued a 'cease and desist' court order against the trader. Problem is, as Bryan suggested, the trader then just comes back using a different id
Have you seen the number of chinese adds that are obvious scams? Ebay makes money from the scams as well. It's not in their intrest to cut off that money flow. Look at the number of dangerous items they sell from China. Dangerious UV lights lamps and flashlights. 5Kw lasers. Crap that will burn down your home. Poisin you or your kids. Electrocute you. It's all available on Ebay and they do not give a shit.
@@Mr.Unacceptable
Saw a GTX 1050 Ti and ignored it when I saw it was coming from China lol
@@DraftySatyr when i mean legal action i mean going after them. If the have say a business license they can go after it or even sue depending on how far they want to take it. Reason being if they dont then they wont stop and it might continue to tarnish their reputation as a psu manufacturer.
Good luck with that. Chances are high that this was made by some Chinese national who won't face any consequences because China is a scumbucket of a country.
Hey, you are intellectually honest, Gamemax reacted supper professionally. Bottom line: Job well done! You've just made me a Gamemax customer with this.
There is a brand called "Power Box" they sell psu from 300w to 750w.And they are all the same light weight and dont give more then 200w.I really hate when people put them in gaming pc(with sata to 6pin convertor) and for the that is a fire hazard waiting to happend.
Yep
I worked with PBX500 and gotta say I was lucky I used a 1650 Super for my friend for his build instead of a more powerful GPU, because the PSU only outputs around 300 watts.
There are lot of no-name brands so sell PSU-s who sell low-end rebadged PSU-s from various ODM-s.
Yesssss!!
Or, should we say TechYes ????
TechYES!
Don't think the RGB one has a wider ripple due to the RGB lights. It is more likely caused by the modular cables. The detachable connector and likely slightly smaller gauge cables have likely a higher resistance.
Good on Gamemax for sending you the proper power supply. However, as others have mentioned, it sounds like Gamemax needs to go after those people that are selling the products that are mislabeled.
There are two places you can complain to:
- ACCC - be sure that the basis of the complaint is misleading and deceptive conduct
- Office of Fair Trading QLD
You can also find out where the business is registered and complain to that state's office of fair trading. You can do a simple search of the company's ABN on the Australian Business Register, where you can see which state the business is registered. Whether you complain at a federal level (ACCC) or state level (fair trading), you're protected under the Consumer Law due to the fact that this is quite obviously misleading and deceptive conduct, particularly if you can prove definitively that the stickers were changed out. For a slam dunk complaint, you would need to provide evidence that they never acquired 600W power supplies from Gamemax, such as proof that the eBay seller's order for supplies was only for 350-450W PSUs, and official statements from Gamemax that they had never produced/released the 600W product in question.
This is a very responsible re-review to the previous GAME MAX video.
The RGB variant may have extra resistance in the modular connectors.
Looks like the problem is with out of spec 12v supply due to poor load regulation as opposed to too high ripple voltage. Also the RGB version tested may actually be slightly better than the non RGB version but they are close enough.
i still love the command and conquer red alert 3 music at the end. brings back some good memories. one of my first PC games i played on PC (Techinically it was age of empires but theyre the same game essentialy) great video and i have used a game max 550w psu before LEGIT one and it was just as good as my old corsair 550w unit. i upgraded now obviously to a EVGA 850w psu
I understand that everyone has their own budget and that we all try to cut corners where we can to get that little bit extra performance. But a quality power supply is an investment that can last through multiple PC builds, and is something nobody should skimp on. While I'm not advocating that everyone should go out and buy a 1000w 80+ gold rated showpiece, it's worth it to get a quality power supply from a reputable manufacturer, to give yourself room to grow within the current build and possibly your next build, and to do your research before you buy. Don't want to push people away from your channel but my go to site for power supply reviews is JonnyGuru, they really know their stuff and I've never gone wrong following their recommendations. That being said, if you stick to quality brands like Seasonic, Superflower, or FSP Group you really can't go wrong.
Not saying that Gamemax doesn't make good power supplies since I'm sure they're fine for some applications, but if you are building a PC with $1000+ worth of components, don't skimp on the one thing in your PC that has a high potential of destroying other components if it fails. That's like buying an expensive sports car and putting cheap tires and break pads on it. It's just not smart.
I find their labelling still suspicious. 480W 12V rail would normally call for a 500W total power rating these days, maybe 530W if we're being super extra generous. "600W" is well past pushing it. And even if it performs as specified out of the box, without a peek in or years of accumulated returns and reports or both you don't know if it has any chance of lasting.
Love this channel; so much cool stuff to see and listen to.
I've purchased 3 Gamemax psu's, 700W Semi Modular, in the U.S. I've found these psu's to be very reliable and comparable to some of the more well known brands, as I do run other psu's on some of my systems. Ty Tech YES.
I have in my posession 2 Genuine Gamemax 850W 80+ Gold RGB PSU's in two gaming rigs which I bought directly from Amazon.co.uk and they are in my opinion very reliable and they have not killed my components but if people are very self cautious about this brand then Corsair or EVGA PSU's will be the better choice. I know so many other PC builders on UA-cam said this before but I must emphazise the importance of 80+ ratings. Bronze is the cost effective option and is widely suitable for any gaming/multimedia build which makes it a very versatile PSU and when you go up to Gold then the price is higher but you will get better energy efficiency and better capacitors.
Regardless relabelling PSU's is extremely dangerous and to me it should be exposed.
Here in the UK there was a scandal that broke out involving a megastore called CEX and they tried everything in their power to counterfeit game inlets and breaching copyright laws and this whole situation reminded me of it.
On Ebay if anyone has purchased one of these PSU's then I highly recommend taking it up to Ebay's Resolution Center and put in a case or though PAYPAL's Resolution Center since that seller had lied on the ebay listing and the item is not fit for purpose. I want you to fight them to get your money back. I also recommend never using these PSU's.They lied about the sticker so it's not out of the realm of possibility that they might have been tampered with. Also when looking at any Ebay seller's listing my main rule of thumb is to avoid listings with postage quotes like this "This seller does not accept returns" To me this is a red flag and you should avoid the listing and look for a seller that is willing to accept returns. Do not buy a product that you can't send back. Your money should be spent wisely and don't just rush in to make the purchase. Take your time and be careful.
If you were going to sell counterfeit power supplies, why not sell counterfeit Corsair or EVGA power supplies? Why would anyone bother to sell fake Gamemax PSUs?
Because those are more expensive and harder to purchase from the get go than a lesser name psu like "Gamemax".
8:33 Correction: Using 20w 'MORE' than the gold rated PSU.
lmaoooo
I'm really surprised that the company did not just ask you to open up the ps and send them some pics of the components and cb to identify the unit. I can recognize at a quick glance anything I've ever designed and fabricated.
Thing with the modern PSU is that it can kill you if you reach inside, they cannot ask you to do that and put yourself at risk. Because after the rectifier there's an APFC booster and diode, so they don't need a bleed resistor because it's never coming back to the IEC socket, so that's skipped, and there's like 400V DC on the primary cap right after, and with how efficient even the SB circuit afterwards can be, it can take an eternity and a half to drain. I'm facing this issue with a PSU i'm repairing now since it has defective SB drive somewhere, so there's no safe way to predrain it, and that cap is proving feisty, i wear gloves and drain it but it's an angry cap i tell you, it can kill you.
Tbh that VP-600 is junk also, on the 12 volt rail it stats 480w, a true 600w power supply would have at least 580w on the 12v rail, always check the the 12 volt rail wattage before buying any so called higher wattage power supply.
Exactly
Fair point!
Quite a scandal regarding the rebadged PSUs! Reminds me of the crime ring in Europe during the mid 90s that bought Pentiums in bulk and re-engraved the clock speeds so they could sell them as higher spec models.
spooky PSU's are the bane of cheap computers.
The average person thinks it's just a conspiracy theory or some ancient myth
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not rlly alibaba psu's are the best i once bought it it was like so good you know i kept it and i constantly smelled like chicken kebab smells coming from my pc when i play 4k food video i smell the food itself because of the PSU its so amazing i love this 100% recommended
@@hariranormal5584 😂😂
I have a gamemax kage case its an amazing case and hasn't given me any troubles they seem like a newer company but people are faking there products when the original products are amazing.
I got this psu for free by reviewing it. The fan bearing was trash and very loud. Sold it in a system after a few months. Ran the rx570 without issues
Just looked it up. Got it in 2019. Was a gamemax 500w rgb
I’m so glad they’re good. I have the 650 rgb one bought from Amazon and so far it’s good at 3 months.
Type in "Ultra Silent 850W Power Supply ATX Computer PC Gaming PSU 140MM Cooling fan" into eBay Australia or "750W Power Supply ATX Computer PC Gaming Silent PSU 140MM Cooling fan" and you will see two further examples from the same reseller but under a different store front name. I think you have clearly highlighted to what lengths scammers will go to dupe buyers. Fair play for following up with Gamemax and getting to the bottom of the mystery to inform us buyers.
me: fantasizing of owning a 30 series card
tech yes city: using one to test the performance of sketchy power supplies
😭
Actually managed to get one at work yesterday, which is a miracle. Don't lose hope man :D
I got a 3070 with a Gamemax 1050GM 80Plus Silver. And it has worked awesomely well
lol. These companies like Gamemax know they are doing this. They are just lieing. They let these companies use their name because they produced the supply for them and have an over abundance left and so they just put a label on it made somewhere in China and start shipping them. Gamemax knows.
Apevia is selling 800w 80 Plus Gold PSUs on Amazon for under $70 USD.
After looking into it further, it seems that that particular model is actually a rebranded Andyson H6.
Andyson manufactures EVGA PSUs in America.
I guess Andyson just doesn't have the market share to sell many of their high end PSUs so they liquidate to Apevia and Apevia slaps stickers on them and sells them cheaper. 🤷♂️
Rebranding a lower wattage/quality Gamemax PSU to a higher wattage explains why they have similar internals and the same case (other than the 110v/230v switch). P.S The correct place to report these fake PSUs should be the ACCC, but who knows if they will do anything about it.
80 plus should also be notified
I heard about a guy bulk ordering cheap power supplies talking to a salesman actually in the factory in china. This guy could speak the local to factory language and was talking in English. When he explained to the salesman he really needed 500 watt units or higher for gamers the guy said hold on a minute.
He then put the phone down and shouted (in local lingo) at somebody distant 'can we change the labels on those units to 550 watts?'.
90 seconds later the salesman picks up the phone and says he can dispatch 100 units at the agreed previous price and they will arrive in 3 weeks.
The buyer said no thanks in the local dialect.
Obviously that concluded all business with the supplier.
My ex GF used to work for a British clothes retailer and basically if there was not a buying company quality controller on site checking the stuff before it was shipped, what arrived was Junk.
They would try to pull the wool over the QC'er all the time. Every trick was employed to mess them up.. It was so bad she could not even accept a cup of coffee from anybody in case they roofied the fxcker.
I got a cool max 850 watt power supply. Running a fx8120 and a 970.
It looked cool when I could see the arcing inside the psu...haha
Modular power supplies are actually worse because you are adding resistance on every cable, but they do make cleaner builds.
Do this more with Budget PSUs i love this
Honestly I learnt my lesson when my gtx 1080 had some problems with the fan spinning(they would start and then stop) and I found out that the ace power supply 750w was actually 300w and that my card had permanent damage. Buy new and buy from the actual retailer.
I mean, I dunno. The one thing I always say is to never cheap out on a PSU. It's not a known brand, I wouldn't touch it. The real brands are obviously more but I'd rather pay a bit more money and have a power rather than blowing up every component in it with a shitty one. Corsair is expensive, but 7 year+ warranty.
Corsair has cheap PSUs as well using old designs. Still even those work as advertised even if they are nothing special. Plus they have all the necessary protections to protect the rest of your components.
Seasonic is where it’s at as far as I know
That doesn’t protect you from receiving a counterfeit unit
@@jmlinden7 buy from reputable sellers on reputable sites
@@robthegobbler sad my seasonic psu just died 2 days ago lol
do you think i should tell my friends who use this psu to change immediately? because most of them are using nowhere near 650w with their 650w gamemax psu
Go to a reputable sites power supply calculator and find out how much they actually need. I would assume worse case scenario and think they got the 350w varient. If they are using more than that I'd definitely replace it. Nothing wrong with going bigger on a psu.
The length that thieves will go to take your money... unbelievable... Good work figuring out this whole ordeal!!
ACCC would be the best bet Nick. MSY did the same a couple of times and they get hammered hard after multiple complaints. But eBay is a lot harder. Here, it's best to advise eBay to take action.
command and conquer outro is the best outro. want a next gen c&c now 😕
I think GN will start testing PSU adhesive properties
I purchased one of the VP series from amazon in the US . And Its Not a bad power supply , But It has this horrible buzzing noise. I really think its the fan and not the psu it self. its the vp 600 rgb
Using a single Loom to power a high end GPU introduces noise which is evident in high end Video products, especially noticeable in VR HMD's, I noticed this with my 1080Ti, 98% usage. I was using only one Loom with splitter to power the GPU which resulted in flashing pixels in VR. I then used two PSU Looms to power the GPU (no splitters) and the flashing pixels disappeared. I think that a single GPU power Loom to the GPU surpasses the PSU's ability to deliver clean power and "electrical noise" increases if output of a single PSU/GPU Loom approaches Maximum.
10700k oc'd ; 1080Ti ; 32GB RAM ; CM 700W PSU ; Z490 A-Pro.
Love the v for vendetta poster in the background
GAMEMAX should make it much harder for these scammers. Laser burn the wattage or punch it in the metal housing.
Use other stickers.
Or print a smart unique (psuedo random) data carrier (data matrix) on a tamper proof label + a digital trust mark on the sticker for another layer of authenticity. Both digital security solutions scanned via smartphone by consumer to validate provenance of the device and authenticity of the label. A Business to Consumer connection that keeps the resellers honest.
Sure, it is possible, I suppose, to remove a good label (even with tamper proofing peel prevention) from its proper box and place it on another box...but then, what to do with the good unlabelled box? As well, the unique code per each box would allow the manufacturer a clearer idea who might be the suspect reseller as those unique codes are associated with intended markets and first level resellers.
As well, a counterfeiter could copy a unique code and apply it to multiple labels for repeated application; but this would be impeded by the digital trust mark (which cannot be copied effectively) and the higher chance that the false label is queried by unsuspecting consumers from multiple locations and/or unintended markets; making the unique code suspect and alerting the manufacturer AND consumers to such matters.
I am leery of cheap power supplies. A cheap power supply can take other components with it when it fails. Even the extreme budget build I just finished has a new name brand power supply in it. You are absolutely right about there being a lot of scammers out there right now. I actually got a extremely cheap power supply in a part bundle when I started looking for parts for my FX build. The power supply went strait into the trash! It had no weight to it, no sleeves and only a small amount of connectors. It was marked as 500 Watt! Luckily, the 1050 Ti and 8 GB of DDR 3 I got in the bundle were worth more right now than the power supply and crap motherboard I ended up pitching in the trash.
I have a VP 600 RGB from Gamemax, it works quite well. Fascinating about this.
Is it still doing alright?
@@kyleputnam3856 It is still alive, actually
@@DavisMakesGamesbro i bought 600 + 80 semi modular just now
Is it good ??
@@colomboforces Typically "Is it good" is a question to ask BEFORE buying something, but it won't explode
Just need some advises here sir:
I have the VP-600, nearly 1,5 years now and it's been working just fine with my 1650 Super. I will upgrade my GPU in the near future so I wonder which one it can power up (at maximum). The thing worrying me the most is its 12v lines, 2+6pin and 8pin: they all come from 1 line, which can only handle 150W max. 3060 12G may be the one (170W), I dont think it will be troublesome as I would surely limit its power drawn anyway. There's a sale going on at my place and I will build a new PC soon anyway, so it's only temporary, I can put up with that. What do you think?
how has this worked out for you? i have the same PSU and im upgrading to a 3070, any problems?
maaaan that is a great follow up to the original video...nice of the company to hear what u have to say and vice versa. i hope this is a beggining of a great partnership from both of u
I`m in the UK, working at a scrapyard, and a box of Gamemax 600w PSU`s were binned, and now i`m worried, and will have a closer inspection of them. But still interesting to see your test results. They look like capable PSU`s, and are certified 80+ bronz. I wonder were in the world these PSU`s where re-labelled, and where they were also shipped to.
I did look this up to see, if Australia has a similar body to UK's Trading Standards and you do. Australian Competition & Consumer Commission should be involved, as worse case with these fake label power supplies is causing death. Nice video Brian and great work.
Bryan do you have the aerocool cylon power supplies by you? in the uk they're pretty cheap but actually really decent , looking at £32-38 for the 700w. ik seems sketch but they're not
Thanks, I had just seen a review on these GameMax PSU's, and I had never heard of this brand before and had Questions, the review was for the 850w Gold PSU, but I had to do more research, thank you for your In-depth review, I will warn friends and tentative buyers, about these worse than expected performance PSU's and help you in your purpose(and GameMax). can we get the name of the Ebay seller redistributing these turds, please? Thanks Uploader, great video. Shout out to GameMax for helping you solve this mystery. Cheers.
if its a 600 w that they sent then its still a different model than the one you ordered. If tthey can't send you the model you originally intended to buy, then we can't verify that what they said was true. I would still steer clear of gamemax going forward. They may not have a 650 now but did they in the past? I think it's entirely more likely that the 650 is an older version that gamemax used to make while they were still climbing the ladder and now that they are starting to be sold on more legitimate sites, they have a new updated lineup with bronze rating. This seller you bought the psu from was most likely just someone from china who still had a lot of the old stock so they relabelled it to try and sell it. This is a common occurrence in the pc parts market.
Antech claims their psu can supply steady peak power, noone has tested it, can you do that test can clear our confusion please.
I assume the reason they chose to rip off a less will known brand as they assumed there would be far less chance of getting sued into the ground by the huge legal teams that EVGA and other major brands have
I wouldn't trust my PC with anything other than FSP or Seasonic.
I put a r7 5800x with a rx6800xt, and the gamemax 850w 80+ gold. Before powering it up I looked up the gamemax psu and I realized how bad their reputation is and it makes me very concerned if I should just go for another brand, or take the risk
GX Rampage?
Greetings friend from Colombia, I liked your follow-up in the two videos, and it is great that you could clarify between what is something original and a scam, it is very surprising that it happens in a country like Australia, see that these kinds of things are very frequent in countries with fewer possibilities of purchase and technological follow-up as happens in Latin America, with your video it is shown that it does not matter if the brand is well recognized or little known, there are those who want to take advantage of the lack of knowledge of the people in general and take advantage scamming people. Thank you very much for your time and effort and for the philosophy that you employ in going with the truth and proving what is real and differentiating it from the false. You have a new subscriber!
Still, a 650w power supply that only supplies 480w on the 12v rail shocks me. My be quiet is able to hit almost 1000w on the 12v rail even though it is "just" a 1000w power supply. I will never again buy a power supply that only supplies a fraction of its rating on the 12v rail...
Yes, in cheap group reg designs you expect the 12V to only be 30, maybe 50W less strong than total rated power. In independent step-down designs you expect 100% of rated power to be available on 12V. Considering successively decreased load on minor rails, it's fair to classify the unit as 500W, maybe 530W if you stretch the truth - and that even assuming that it is capable of safely delivering the whole 480W 24/7 on 12V, which is a tall order for a budget device.
Wow really? You can measure ripple through the GPU now? Really interesting. What sensor are you monitoring for that? Does any AMD gpu have that?
The PSU is the one part I probably overspend on (and quite probably lose part of profit on) when I'm putting together a build for someone... customers don't always see a PSU as sexy, or even vital to their PC. But I have to say that the peace of mind that comes with knowing their build is on solid foundations, along with the fact that they have a bit of future proofing - especially when it comes to upgrading a GPU down the line - is worth its weight in gold. Always go for known trusted brands and check out reviews
Someone was giving these away, you had to leave a rewiew on Amazon and then they would "refund" your money after a positive review.
They are still labeling their PSUs at a higher wattage than they really should. They are adding the +12V, +5V, and +3.3V rails together whereas most quality manufacturers rate their PSU at just the capacity of the +12V rail. A good Corsair, Seasonic, etc 600W PSU is rated at 600W on the just the +12V rail, a Gamemax 600W PSU is rated at only 480W on the +12V rail. It’s misleading, it’s not the way modern reputable manufacturers rate their PSUs anymore. It may have been done that way in the past, but not today, at least with the good quality power supplies they don’t do that anymore.
Have you reported the seller to ebay? or heck.. the police!
Man, when Hell March started playing at the end...Love it.
So *that* was why I couldn't find it on the 80PLUS web site. Sorry for saying that 80PLUS removed the PSU from their list. Under these circumstances it most likely never has been certified.
I have a question, my PC is horribly underperforming in some games like GTA 5, on ultra, Im getting about 60 fps with vsync, and thats ok, but I play all the games in LOW-MEDIUM, and in GTA V, when i lower the settings, fps drops to bearly 30 fps without vsync...
PC specs:
AMD FX 6300
8GB 1333 dual channel
Sapphire AMD RX 580 4G
Some random Mid-end Gigabyte motherboard
KOLINK C600 power supply
I checked and all of theese parts should be able to deliver much higher framerates.
I purchased the game max fully modular 750w rgb psu. Ive not had any issues with it. Granted i did get it directly from the game max amazon store, for me something like an unknown company to me id rather buy directly so i can have that assurance that they will fix the situation if something is wrong.
Modular cabling power supplies are not the best option because of the added contact resistance of the connectors which leads to voltage ripple. Is much better a standard power supply with soldered cables on the PCB because reduces the possibility of false contact on the connectors due to corrosion. Also in the case of 12V rails is important to use thick cables to reduce voltage fluctuations. One solution is to solder additional cables in parallel to reduce the series resistance between the power supply and the 12V CPU mainboard connector, also on the PCI-E graphic card cabling is recommended to do the same.
Well scammers are everywhere, and in every industry , people would have to watch out regardless of what they're doing.
Cheaper PSUs are usually lighter in weight, so what was the weight between the two?
Whenever I install a power supply I opt to spend a few extra bucks for a corsair unit, with the exception of a thermaltake eps12v I need for an old Dell mt. It amazes me with all the information on the internet about pc building that people are still willing to cheap out on a psu.
Oh snap. I used to play sc2, got to diamond rank 1 and never tried for masters as i got busy. Still watch tournaments every now and then though. When will we see the Techyescity gaming streams for sc2? lol.
14:06 laughed my ass off mate. Exactly my sentiment.
I had a client come with a 500w gamemax PS inside a Bulldozer build, they bought it because the system was not working anymore and they thought the PSU was broken, turned out the mobo was broken, i used the 500w PSU with a new ryzen 2600 non X and 580, the PSU died in day 2 of testing with Battlefield 4 running (not very intensive). SO they definitely have crappy units in the first place.
6:36 hmmm a gtx 3070?
Again I have the VP600 RGB in a 1600AF/ 1660TI that is now 1 1/2 yrs old, never shut off and is working great.
Review sample manipulation / post review design downgrades / frequent component changes without significant differences in branding / paid reviews
They may (or have) sent out samples that have upgraded components in order to get more favorable reviews, and these review samples are not reflective of what is available in the store.
They may (or have) produced an initial run of units, and chosen one of those to avoid the criticism of review sample manipulation, only to change the design after the reviews hit to cheaper/crappier components.
They may (or have) paid reviewers to review their products. This compromises the integrity of the review (and the reviewer).
I'm glad you have had a good experience with your hardware. But just because you have had a good experience does not mean that it's a good option. Similarly, someone else may have driven home from work for a 100 mile commute blindfolded and backwards. That doesn't mean I'm going to take the same risk.
Edit: Nor does your currently good experience up to now mean that you'll continue to have the same experience going forward. Power supplies are all about probability - whether or not it will die in the time that you have the unit, and whether or not you'll have downstream effects (i.e. killing other components) when it dies (the ultimate worst case is actually a situation where it DOESN'T die, yet it kills components). A power supply that has crap build quality increases both the odds that it will die, and that it will kill other components when it does.
Now, odds being odds, it IS possible that the cheapest piece-of-shit power supply can be put into a situation where it can run flawlessly for 50 years without a problem, and the highest-end, most expensive, absurdly overbuilt and overspec'ed unit could die within five minutes of activation, taking every part of the machine with it and catching on fire. But neither situation is particularly likely - people win the lottery all the time - that doesn't mean it's likely to happen to you.
For power supplies, there is most definitely a point of diminishing returns. For most folks that ends up being in the $100-150 range, depending on one's needs. If someone's power supply needs are right around 500-600W, a $100 Corsair RM750e isn't likely to be any better (or worse) than a Asus ROG THOR 1600T Gaming at $700.
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Gocha. So I'm assuming that the 80 plus gold is just kinda slapped on there/ irrelevant cause of certain components being crappy?
GameMax is not known as one of the top-tier suppliers... i've bought 3 RGB coolers, 2 fans and a case with a RGB distributor... the distributor failed 2 months in. I copied the layout and created my own PCB, adding higher quality components and all is fine. But i wonder since when they have been the biggest brand globally to be copied on that scale, doesn't make sense to me. I still believe they operate on a hit&miss strategy and do not put much effort into quality controll. On the other hand, i did not expect much, the whole set (case, coolers, fans) did cost me around € 110 (172 AUS$/ 121 US$), yet i wouldn't trust them with something more demanding like a PSU. But hey, always open for a surprise and change my mind, i'll keep an eye on updates on this channel ;)
Idea for a video
Could you measure the rimple and wattage efficiency on some of the most popular PSUs? Corsair RM 650x would be great xD also some comparison in terms of prices vs efficiency of bronze gold and platinum!
I though something odd was going on after your first video. I've used gamemax gear before (cases, psu's and fans) and while it isn't the best in the world, it is functional and reasonable quality for the price. I've never tried buying it from eBay though.
Excellent work, really appreciate the follow up here and the decency to admit a mistake. Thanks.
Look at the colors, the vp-650 is darker too. Not that you'd notice it not right next to the other..
EVGA B-Stock FTW
yup. I got a 750w gold psu from evga bstock for 55 bucks.
Those evga sales are op
Thorough investigation is nice to see, I would of thought these manufactures would start metal stamping or laser etching the wattage or SN failing that a similar verify system like e-cigs if it costs a few extra quid so be it. However I do feel more confident buying GameMax after seeing this as I have a few GameMax RGB fans and they are cheap but fairly decent.
The ATX specification requires that the 12v have a maximum ripple of 120mV, and 50mV for the 3.3v and 5v rails. While this is the maximum voltage ripple allowed
good video and thank you.
EBAY should be notified and seller should have funds frozen.
This is not true ripple. The actual ripple can be anywhere between 50 KHz and 500 KHz, that range. He's taking a reading once a second, post shunt, into burst consumer, it means nothing. The ripple needs to be measured with an oscilloscope into a purely resistive load, then you can judge whether it violates the standard. In particular cable and connector resistance has no influence on the true ripple, but the burst variation on a GPU is affected - but really it's caused by the GPU itself more than anything the PSU does, and high values are not necessarily worrysome.
The measurement he ignored but which actually works in this case is the droop. At 0.2V both genuine VP600 units behave about as adequately as you'd expect a group regulated power supply to behave. At 0.4V the fake 650 unit is actually struggling. The ATX spec limit is 0.6V, so while it's not scraping that quite yet, it's obviously unhappy and struggling. You can actually reasonably expect high actual ripple if you had a reasonable way of measuring it.
I have this psu. Should I switch it out? It have pass my 30days return.
@J Fz I have a rx570 4gb. So all the other power sources won't affect the wattages? such as other usb devices such as my webcam, controllers, and dvd drive.
These PSU cannot be sold in Europe anyway, as it has no PFC. PSU that have a voltage switch use an ancient design. Wouldn't use it anyway...
I'd take a good ancient design over a bad new design any day
@@TheTomco11 Thing is, its not a good design... thats why it was changed.