Jack, thanks for acknowledging the irritation so many of us feel in calling cars in the >£30,000 price range affordable. You could go the whole way and stop calling them cheap and around the cheapest too. 'Less expensive' and 'around the least expensive' would be so much more realistic for us mere mortals who will never be able to afford anything over £20,000.
I wouldn't disagree but have you noticed how things have exponentially gone up in price since pre Covid. Many items are 2, 3, even 4 time or more times expensive. Those that aren't are where companies are taking a bath to try and keep prices down or have complete control over the (near) whole manufacturing and distribution channels.
You need more second hand cars. Most people don't buy new cars (or if they do it's on finance). The supply of s/h EVs is growing significantly now and will be a (small) flood in a couple more years. This will make them accessible to a lot more people. I've never bought a new car in 35 years even though I can now afford to. I might have to to get an EV (because some poor buggers need to otherwise there will be no s/h ones). (my cars have cost £400(1988), £25(1991), £1100(1992), £300(1996), £4500(2001) so far and I might be spending £9800 this week on another). To join EV club is at least 35 grand, 46 grand for an unconverted van and 81 grand for a converted one. I'm still psyching myself up for that.
For everyone who’s saying this is expensive: have a look at a similar new fossil car. A Seat Arona 1.0 with 110bhp costs 34,000 euro. An Opel Astra 1.3 costs 33,000 euro. New cars are expensive.
And collapsing residuals mean that this'll be a bargain in two or three years! Great news for everyone who'll never be able to afford the depreciation of any new car.
True - but e.g. a new MG4 starts at 26k, iirc (about 7k cheaper than this Fiat) for a slightly larger vehicle with similar capacity, similar range, slightly better performance.
@@logicalChimp I would love if things like that came to Canada. The only reasonable small EVs are the Bolt, Leaf, and Kona... all of them are kind of expensive and charge slowly.
It's NOT AFFORDABLE ... it's LEAST EXPENSIVE. That being said there's much to admire about this and its fuel economy is worthy of PRAISE. It shows manufacturers are hopefully moving in the right direction. I hope it's successful and proves to be quality built.
Claimed efficiency is 15.1 kWh/100 km, and I can't see any level of careful driving going far below that. I think Jack must have got his numbers wrong.
The weight difference between a power hatchback and manual hatchback is negligible. It's more complicated and more expensive to implement, so not really a budget option IMO. Having tolerated a power hatch for 3 years, I'd say the cons outweigh the pros.
Tesla is planning on releasing their Model 2 (Or whatever they call it in 2025 for £25k if they can every other EU Car maker maybe screwed) VW have shown the ID2 but no price and BYD will be bringing the Seagull to the UK (Don't like BYD) But even though I have a MG4 on order dont think Electricity is the answer still think its hydrogen or a synthetic fuel. Wonder why they cannot make a good bio fuel like they did with bio diesel.
@@RobertDodge Disagree with "don't think Electricity is the answer" - but I would agree that Lithium Ion batteries aren't the final answer (although they're doing reasonably well at the moment). Hydrogen has a number of problems - extracting it, storing it and transporting it, for example - which mean it's unlikely to be an answer for car-sized transport, but could be good for trucks/buses and/or ships, maybe. Synthetic fuel solves the transport problems of Hydrogen, but whilst burning synthetic fuel may be carbon neutral, it doesn't address any of the other problems (NOx, SOx and particulates, to name just three). I think synthetic fuel will be great for those of us with classic ICEs that we don't want to (or can't afford to) electrify; and historic motor racing. I expect it to be far too expensive for your average chap or chapess to use in their daily driver.
@@RobertDodge biodiesel is even more carbon intensive than regular diesel. Bio fuel offen needs LOTS of space to grow the plants used in production (the sun's energy is not energy dense, and photosynthesis even less) - also, it does not resolve the other pollution issues aside from CO2. EVs tackle both GHG emissions but most importantly imo pollutants that have a direct influence on the life of people around cars in cities, etc
@@theelectricmonk3909 The notion that synthetic fuel is carbon neutral gets plastered around by people and organizations who are interested in staying with the status quo for as long as possible. We are in reality very, very far away from carbon neutrality with most synthetic fuels.
Ethanol is the best "bio fuel like they did with bio diesel" and it's already in UK unleaded at 5 or 10%, any more and cars need to be redesigned to accept the fuel which can damage fuel systems unless they are replaced. In South America E85 is more common. However it has been proven time and time again that it's a horrendous use of land to grow either bio ethanol or bio diesel. That is why these are not widespread. The only other option is you make synthetic fuel from co2 in the atmosphere. It's extremely hard to scale up and extremely electricity intensive to do, it would be worse for nearly every use case. Synthetic fuels have just two purposes in a rational future. 1) become a source of hydrocarbon based fuels for industries that have serious physical first principle problems that prevent them being electrified...basically passenger aircraft. 2) as a luxury commodity to run in cherished historical cars of historic value or personal joy for those that can afford this inefficient use of land. For everything else, renewables and nuclear across the grid to be stored in batteries for cars makes much more sense.
@@billpalmer2381 Chinese car industry salaries vary from about 4800-12000CNY, or US$640-1640, or £540-1350 (I assume the executives get paid more, this is for people doing actual work). UK minimum wage is around £1650 a month (40hrs/week, 48weeks/year). You are literally not going to be physically able to make a vehicle in the UK for the price the Chinese can make them. Not without breaking every labour law in the country.
Pro tip for the producers of the show: please watch your videos on a sound system with a proper subwoofer before publishing it. Then you'd notice the insane low-frequency rumble during the in-car driving shots. Please consider a 50 to 80 Hz highpass filter in the future to get rid of that. Thank you! 😊
At 33k this just seems pointless, why not just get an mg4 or any of the other low 30's vehicles. What the world needs is more small cars that are around 20-25k not another 33k car to add to the giant long list of mid 30s cars. 2021 called, it wants it's electric car pricing back.
@@CharlieGB03 Well it sure as hell isn't Fiat money. Before the pandemic car supermarkets in the UK were full of ICE Fiat 500's, all under a year old for between £7 - 8.5k. The EV versions aren't exactly screaming affordability.
You're disconnected to the reality that exists; namely that this is about as affordable as it gets so far. How many times must they repeat this? Your gripe is with the manufacturers.
@@jamesengland7461 they're the ones that tried to make it sound like it was cheap, which they continually do. They don't have to do that. They could say, 'This car would be great if it were £10K cheaper' just like people do when reviewing 40 series graphics cards. Also they could say, 'It would be cheaper if it wasn't also built to keep ICE vehicles going on the same body, but instead, they're clinging on for dear life with their love of giving people lung disease, instead of abandoning new fossil fuel models entirely and working on efficient production.'
@@jamesengland7461Dude they already said themselves that cars will be too expensive for normal people to buy in the near future. Watch something else than CNN.
Hit the nail on the head there Neil another manufacturer trying to save money by cobbling a car together from common parts across there inventory when will they learn that a true EV can only be manufactured from the ground up.
The bonnet of a Tesla is long enough to fit an ICE engine in. Or an MG4 or a VW ID3 or 4. And there's several ICE cars that don't have long bonnets (the proper Mini, Citroen Picasso...) I reckon manufacturers make them that shape because (they think) that's what buyers want.
One pedal driving requires a motor of sufficient power to quickly stop the car using regen braking. Smaller motors with lower acceleration mean lower deceleration, too.
What sold the Fiat 500e to me was one pedal driving, and I only have to dab the brakes a couple of times per week from higher speeds to stop them rusting due to lack of use. The omission of one pedal driving on the 600e is a deal-breaker in my case.
Efficiency is SO IMPORTANT in electric cars. I really hope European carmakers understand this and really put all their efforts in that direction! Also for highway speed efficiency AERODYNAMICS is KEY! That should really be a priority!
This is true only because batteries are genuinely rubbish for transport. More flammable than diesel and so so bulky. If batteries cost the same but had 4x the energy density (still a far cry from diesel), efficiency would be quite irrelevant, an academic exercise at best.
I was definitely surprised when you said it was that much. I was expecting mid £20k based on using the word cheap. When I bought a new Renault Zoe in 2016, it was closer to half of that price. Even if you didn’t do the battery rental option it was still way less than any EV today. I do really appreciate the efficiency of this car though. But then, how much more efficient would it be if it wasn’t raised up more than a standard small hatchback?
@@nickclarkuk If your wages have gone up in line with inflation, which, if I was still working at the same job I was then I’m sure it wouldn’t have. Along with most other low wage workers, public or private sector. So you’d be totally priced out of any new cars, as well as most other things in life. It’s hardly surprising how many people went from relatively comfortable to destitute. Everything went up significantly for them, except wages.
Interesting review. The new Stellantis drivetrain appears to be offering efficiency on a par with the late lamented Hyundai Ionic that was discontinued a few years ago, but the lack of one-pedal driving is deal-breaker for me. Otherwise, I would consider trading in my 500e for the 600e in a few years' time just to gain the improved efficiency and range.
I have an ionic classic 28kwh , easily get 5.5mplkw, excellent internal space and huge boot. The one pedal selectable regen is a dream. If they squeezed 50kwh battery in it it would be the electric car for the masses. Only dissapoint is the resale value has fallen off a cliff. But then I've no plans to replace it.
I like the colours. I find it more difficult to see grey cars when I'm cycling. It would be great if they could get rid of the tinted glass as well so I could see if anybody was inside the car when it's parked at the side of the road. Then I wouldn't need to keep a meter and a half distance to it .
We could have a better signal than that like a light that stays up when the car is stationery and the driver is in it. They should also have blind spot cameras warning them of oncoming cyclists by now but that probably won't happen until they're allowed to get rid of wing mirrors and move to cameras entirely.
@@jonevansauthor It must already be legal to do away with the wing mirrors in favour of cameras, because the Honda E (remember that one?) already did it - there are others too, although I can't remember which ones. I assume "cost" is what's stopping more manufacturers from doing the same.
Just once I'd like to be able to answer the question of whether this is the EV we've been waiting for with a resounding yes. Sadly this is another overpriced disaster with too many seats and the wait continues. Knowing it'll happen one day isn't much comfort.
@@theelectricmonk3909I want a 1996 manual electric Toyota Tacoma with with a 1.5 cab. I'd envision that automakers could make decent profits with an MSRP of $15-20K.
@@theelectricmonk3909it should be small, have a modern range for it's size, and be cost effective. That's what we're waiting for. This is even bigger than the Fiat 500e, and outrageously expensive. We want the Wuling Mini or something similar, because Smart have completely abandoned everything that's good about their brand. The Fiat 500e is too big because it has pointless back seats, and is also very expensive for what it is, but obviously beter than this. So no, this is not the EV we're waiting for. The Dacia Spring might qualify but that's still an ice age away from the UK sadly and will probably end up overpriced anyway.
@@davisbradford7438 why the 1996 model out of curiosity? Is it some kind of classic and you want someone to convert one, or do you want a brand new Toyota EV that has basically the same body or something?
This is just a new design over the electric Stellantis platform (with the new battery and motor). Because that platform is used in so many models, it should be cheaper. And no one pedal drive is a error nowadays.
Great review as always and good to see you getting lost as usual 😉your a good sport for leaving that in, I do share others frustrations about £30k+ cars being called "cheap", although appreciate it's all relative, i think the real concern is that EV's are being used to re-calibrate car prices skyward and when's there's nothing but electric cars to buy in a few tears time, it's going to make things really hard for many drivers, especially those of us reliant on the used market where inevitably prices will be higher too. Plus if the price of battery grade Lithium keeps rising with demand, it's very difficult to see a time when EV's will ever get cheaper to produce.
At a base price of £33k, I wonder how many will stump up that for a shared platform, bloated 500 during a cost of living crisis. Demand for VW's IDs is falling and I'm not sure there'll be much demand for this. With so many comparisons and reviews available today, anything sub par stands little chance. For that money you could get a 2020 Model 3 with 348 miles (WLTP).
Soo...... You could buy a USED example of a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CAR(which is, in fact, a SALOON, ffs..!) , then... ..... is that what you're offering as an argument.....!?!?
That's the whole point - an example showing it's possible to drive one of the best electric cars on the market or this very average offering from Fiat for the same money; highlighting what bad value it is. If I deeded a brand new hatchback, this offering wouldn't be on my list. @@andymccabe6712
I did an impression of Jack when venturing in to the BYD Dolphin and set the front seat at my driving position and then jumped in the back. That car I found a bit the reverse of this one with plenty of leg room, but head room compromised by the sunroof. I think it is also cheaper than the fiat 600😊
Stellantis are just slapping different car brands on the same platform - Jeep, Citroen, Peugeot, Fiat. The cars might look different but they're skinned versions of the same compromised platform.
It would have been a great electric car if it was priced below 30K€. At 37K€ you can buy 2 brand new petrol Fiat 500. A 54kWh battery should cost no more than 8K€ in manufacturing and its development expenses are being shared among a lot of models and brands. How could this be so expensive? Add just 5K€ and you get a far more performant Model 3...
Wait for 3 years and get it used for around that. CHEAPER evs but built at real scale by 2025-2026 and mass manufactured solid or semi solid state cells are gonna just decimate the current ev crops long term values imo. Which is good for adoption long term. 😆
Show me a half decent ICE car that costs £16.5k. The cheapest 1 litre Seat Ibiza costs north of £21k. Most people that comment on the price of EV's don't buy new cars and seemingly have no idea of their present very high (historically) cost. I agree that EV's generally have a high initial cost but over the life of the car it compares very favourably with ICE.
@@pinkio2 well said! SMH most in inventory model 3 rwds near me are 36-38k and below 30k after the tax rebate is added. Insane value in today's car world for what you get imo. Especially as most toyoduh corolla near me are all over 30k in stock. 👍🏻
@@pinkio2 Go to a third world country and you will find good cars for 15k USD. Iraq is an example. There is a car I won't call good, but it is drivable, and it's called Samand, costs about 15k USD. However, even the good Korean cars are cheaper in Iraq than in the first world.
Love it. I have only 3 grinds with it. I hope they will have 3 options to ad. Wireless Android Auto, an electric to open Glass Sunroof, and cooled Seats for more efficiency. Thanks for making me dizzy with reversing lol. NoNo, great job as always. Take care
They've missed a trick not putting in on EV architecture. Otherwise it could be a challenge to the Zoe. I suspect the Renault 5 will make this look silly when it comes out.
Kwh/100K in human language is far more common than miles/KWh around the world. I know this is a mainly a UK channel but I think you aim for a global audience, so keep that in mind. An overlay with KWh/100K would be appreciated in other videos...
How is £30K cheap?That is N.Z $60K. Who buys new cars with massive depreciation? Biggest problem with Italian cars is the electrics,aside from build quality etc,so how can their BEVS fair any better? Quite like the look though,the headlights should have eyebrows.
I like the 600e but you have to be fair: the version you had (Prima) comes at 42500€ roughly, so at the same as the base Model 3. and that is bigger, faster, and has better materials... but the Fiat has better safety features like 360Kamers and USS For me the base version Red would be the one to go for.
Don't think it really has better safety given Tesla vehicles rank top in their respective classes via euro ncap. Fiat and Jeep cars on the other hand are some of the only vehicles to get an abysmal 1 star in the last few years
@@armadillito there is definitely a curve to get used to it. I really wish my model3 had physical buttons for climate since I change that often but all the other elements you use so rarely that a screen is fine anyway
I dont want to suggest that a Nissan leaf is as good as this or the MG but you can still get a brand new one for more than 10k less than this! Oh and you get one pedal driving.
Love your reviews across the board. I would love to see additional information regarding the batteries, though. When you tell us what the battery size is, it would also be great to know what the underlying battery chemistry is, such as LFP or NMC. Thanks!
The Nissan Arriya finally came to market and it doesn't one pedal driving. I didn't even leave the parking lot because of that. Why would any EV not have one-pedal driving? Tesla Model 3 - $40240 (26/Sept/2023)
Re the one pedal driving, I think PSA (Stellantis) when they designed the eCMP platform elected to play it safe for those making that first move from ICE to EV. I believe that the STLA Medium platform as revealed with the New E3008 which you are yet to review, does have selective regen through padles on the steering wheel.
While I accept 30k is justifiable for an EV considering your not burning money on fuel… still with a 30k price tag purchasing the car you need to pay it off upfront or large down payment and sizeable amount of money monthly which makes the car… unaffordable to most.
It appears not everyone got the memo that one pedal driving is less efficient than just coasting, unless you’re going down long stretches of downhill where you would be hitting the brakes anyway
Efficiency relates to cost per mile. Especially at the lower price bracket cost per mile is important, just as MPG is important. With the high price of public charging a lower cost for motoring is attractive, even if the price of this vehicle is not cheap.
For comparison my Tesla model 3 gets 299 watts per mile while this video says this car gets 166 watts per mile. That is impressive, for a cost comparison my car at my electricity cost is 2.67 cents per mile while this one costs 1.52 cents per mile. So, this car is about $3000 cheaper MSRP and a little cheaper to drive per mile but doesn't qualify for the 7500$ tax credit in the US if it was sold today. Also remember the comparable car's cost per mile of 12.7 cents per mile.
That face makes me think it has something to say, like any minute it'll start talking to me. I really like it, if they sell this in North America it'll need to work with the NACS so it won't be shit to charge up
What many people's comments are saying is that EV's are not cheap and I agree. I bought my EV car in March 2022 and the same car now in 2023 is more than €2,000 more. For me it was affordable only because of the very generous €12,000 grant (including scrapping a 10-year old ICE car) which is given here in Malta and which brought the price to roughly €25,000. So I agree that to say that the 600 is "cheap" is like saying that a Porsche Taycan is cheap when compared to a Bugatti hypercar.
You pay more upfront on the price of an electric car, but then save on fuel and maintenance costs vs. a gas car. It amounts to $1,000-$2,000 savings a year in the US depending on your situation. I’d imagine the savings is even higher in areas in Europe where the fuel isn’t heavily subsidized like it is in the US with taxpayer dollars. Furthermore, in the US, you can get a Chevrolet Bolt for around $20k and a Model 3 for around $32k. That’s literally cheaper than their competitors in the respective classes of those cars. My point is, the argument you made was true a few years ago, but not anymore 😊.
@@evan18155electricity in the us cost around half what it is here in europe, not to mention Germany which has the highest electricity cost worldwide... currently owning a car ICE or EV is around the same
Problem with all new cars. Money is created to finance new cars, new houses, etc. Single digit margins of profit are no longer possible, especially in "highly competitive" markets. Citroën C1 city cars are gone, the VW eUP! was almost cancelled. How cars are priced creates inflation and overtime trying to outrun inflation, reducing the value of profits for executives and shareholders. So they intentionally try to ensure continual, successive profit and growth YoY All businesses/executives are expected to do this. And it is unsustainable, not just for the market of EVs bit in everything that's held captive in a market. And this is evidently hollowing and burning out the earth Sorry if I can't take you seriously if you just blame electric cars for being expensive and not how the big automakers created inflation! Haven't you seen every car become posh Crossovers?
@@evan18155 Not quite so clear-cut. I spend a bit over 2,300€ total every year on fuel + maintenance + insurance. And I Have 1 car, and 2 motorcycles. So maybe the car turn out to be around 1,500€ a year. I do my own maintenance, and get the cheapest insurance around + get the cheapest gas too. But in my case, I could probably save like 1,100€ in fuel a year. So it would take me: 38,000€ / 1,100€ = 34 years for it to make any economic sense. In other words. It just makes no sense at all. Maybe for someone that is looking for a new car... But if you switch to save money... Just NO! But if you want a new car, the cheapest car in Europe is 13,000€. So for it to cost more than this fiat, (considering it consumes the same fuel as the one I have, and by the spec sheet it is very close) it would take: (38,000€ - 13,000€) / 1,100€ = 22 years to cost the same. Also, makes no sense at all. And I think I was generous with the fuel savings, since electricity is also rather expensive. I want an electric car. I think they are awesome. But I will most definitely wait, and spend my money on other things.
9kw/100 Km is insane! A 100 kWh Battery would get this further then 1000km! If I drive my Model Y as efficient as possible it still consumes 13kW/100 Km, and thats considered efficient. But still: Its too expensive. It 41k vs 44k on the Model Y. You get so much more car for that extra 3k, plus Supercharger Network
To be honest, the efficiency of 9kWh per 100km sounds ridiculously small given that Mercedes super aero EQX had about 9.X kWh/100km driving at 90km/h with lots of drafting. Either the Fiat 600 was driven quite slow or it really is an efficiency monster.
For me, nothing will ever justify a new car being classed as affordable when the base trim starts at £33,000. Since only a tiny percentage of people can fork out £33k outright, lets breakdown the monthly cost: - Even with 0% APR (Standard is around 8%) - 8,000 miles a year - No deposit - Over 55 months = You will have to pay £600 per month. Now, try to convince us that £600 per month is affordable - and that's without insurance, fuel costs, service/MOT etc. Utter madness...
@@4literv6 Post covid we are being taken for a ride on ALL new vehicles. Both new ICE and EV's are such a rip-off currently, if this price trend continues it makes you wonder who is going to be able to afford motoring in years to come.
@@jimmyp7928 true however 2019 prices adjusted for inflation? Put us about where we would've been, however no more 0% interest for top credit, and of course almost no $ off at the stealership either. In fact post covid dealers have gotten away with some murderous markups. 🙂
@@4literv6 Inflation has been a killer over the past 2 years. Vehicle prices were pretty stable for years prior to 2020 despite interest rate changes - but I agree with you that it is a multitude of factors including greed. Prices started rising during the semi-conductor shortage and seem to have spiralled out of control ever since.
I love a smooth tuned brake pedal for regen in normal driving there the car is just rolling free when I'm of the pedal and it's no reason for any braking. And I think it's more impressing with the manufacturer that have managed to tune the regen on the brake pedal such as you don't understand that you always use regen braking if you are not panic breaking. Of course drivers are different, but as a passenger I don't like that my head are rolling for unnecessarry regen-braking because the driver don't have steady right foot. I suppose that everybody now know that one pedal driving came because Tesla didn't manage so smooth regen braking on the brake pedal as they wanted and found it easier with tuning for a one pedal driving. And it's ofcourse ok for people who like it and can drive smooth with this, but the driving style I have experienced wasn't comfortable for me as passenger. Have a smooth drive😊
@@jason8966A Model 3 is 60cm longer with no added value and it doesn't have a rear hatch. So in theory the Fiat is the clear winner. It also looks cooler and has blinker stalks. But then what do I know.
@@jason8966 No, I didn't. I just pointed out one possible viewpoint that may apply to some, while others would see it completely different. But I know that the concept of two views being perfectly opposed and still both equally valid and true is hard to grasp for some.
@@adrianguggisberg3656 You said there was no reason to go for a Model 3 over this car (btw insert any other EV here) To which I replied you can go for a slightly used one in which case it makes absolute sense. As you say, two view points which is fine. You then got all defensive listing some differences out of many more. I can do many viewpoints, you obviously can't.
Really have to laugh how car review these days think £30k is CHEAP!!!! bloody hell !!!!! They are not in the real world if families struggling to keep yp with ever rising costs...who would give £30 k for one of these 🙄🙄🙄
@@carlomorischi3435 Erm, which reliability problems? I've had an MG4 for several months now, and with the exception of one minor glitch (the "auto hold" function claims it's faulty occasionally, although it usually fixes itself within 1/2 mile), it's been 100% reliable. No visible oil leaks either. It may be Chinese, but it's at least as good as anything Germany or France churns out.
@@theelectricmonk3909 They drive like utter shit, no feeling, on/off brakes, hard to feel what the chassis is doing... and the power steering is not consistent with a turn. Which is probably fine if you've only ever driven corrollas or Nissan micras, but that doesn't mean it's good. I imagine you don't live in an area with windy rural roads like NZ. I drove an MG 3 weeks ago from Invercargill to Queenstown and I can confidently say its the worst car I've ever driven.
@@wigrammartialarts I beg to differ. I drive an MG4, and whilst it doesn't have the same engagement as my Jag XJR, or the pointy-clickyness of my old Ford Capri racing car, it's perfectly decent to drive. Perhaps you should actually try one out, instead of making specious comparisons with an MG3, which is an older & completely different vehicle. FYI I grew up in rural Cheshire (plenty of twisties), and I've driven my MG4 in Wales - which invented the windy rural road. It handles just fine, the brakes are fine (the transition from regen to actual braking is undetectable), the low centre of gravity & rear wheel drive make it decently entertaining. The only fly in the ointment is, you can't turn off the traction control, so proper arse-out fun isn't possible.
Ah, the 500E was good enough for us. One of the only 2 door Cabrio EV's, that can do a usable 300km. But with €38.000 for the 500E cabrio, it is not affordable. So Fiat has build a 4 door car, just like all the other manufactors in the world. They "created the boring 4 door 5 person 600E. . . . . whow. To compare, the 500E cabrio is €20.000. With the extra cost for the higher loan + intrest, the EV will be over €40.000, being double the price of the ICE version. Guess what most people can afford. And €38.000 starting price for the Fiat 600E isnt making it more affordable, doesnt it. Europe can build affordable EV's with a minimum range of 300km for the masses. The Chinese can. The BYD or MG4 are by far the better choice. There are countless ICE, 5 person cars with a range over 600km for less than €25000. Idiotic to by a car for €40k that can do the same.
"There are countless ICE, 5 person cars with a range over 600km for less than €25000. Idiotic to by a car for €40k that can do the same.": The "one tank range" is literally only an issue if you've never owned an EV. After about 4 weeks with one, you'll realise that how far you can travel in a single stint is completely irrelevant.
@@theelectricmonk3909 Not so, With the smaller EV's there products that can only do a range of max 60km to 100km. Lots of people come with those cars as "proof" that there are affordable small EV's That is why a minimum range in cars is relevant, when you want to compare usable EV's with normal ICE cars. The Fiat 500e is literally the only small EV with a minimum practicle use of 300km. Any EV that is compared with all ICE cars should be able to go on a highway and do 100kmh minimum and a 300km range. Otherwise it is not comparible with an ICE car, but more with a city scooter with a roof.
@@BMWHP2 I'd personally be fine with an EV that can do 200km but I'm never going to pay more than 15.000€ for something like that. I can buy any used ICE car I want for about 5.000€ and even if immediate repairs cost me another 2.000€. If I drive that for 15-20 years (assuming it doesn't rust away or dies in an accident), even considering fuel costs, maintenance and taxes, I'll still have more money left over than if I bought this 600e instead. These prices are utter madness.
@@KonsaiAsTai Totally agree. About €20.000 is the limit for the masses for a new car. That 250km range is about the distance that people on average do on longer trips without stopping to rest anyway. So 300km real world range is needed to have a margin to find a working charger. With 200km you'll have to look for a charger around 150km to be safe, that will become a huge bother on weekend trips. Charging 1 time to get to a 500km destination is reasonable. Looking for a charger, charge and go back on the road will take you around 45 minutes? But charging every 150km on a 500km trip will set you back 2.5 hours to destination and an other 2.5 hours back. That is 5 hours charging on 1 weekend trip. No fun. So, 300km real world range should be the bare minimum when people compare EV's with ICE vehicles. For the time being. We will keep our ICE Smart Cabrio. 4.5ltr on 100km.
I agree with you Jack I have a 500e with one pedal driving and would want it in the 600e if fiat do not introduce it in later cars then I would not consider buying it.
No - this isn’t the small AFFORDABLE, simple electric car we have been waiting for. Stop pushing £33k cars - they are not affordable for the masses - only to the London chattering classes. It is overweight and poorly packaged as it not a bespoke EV platform so it is compromised and over priced (£8k more than the MG4).
Hi can you please do a feature on the back to back actual cost to of say a weeks motoring in London between comparable electric and ICE cars. I suggest this because this week I heard someone say with absolute conviction that 'given current electricity prices that it is MORE expensive to run an electric cat than an ICE one!' Please myth bust this ASAP, thanks.
7.1 mi per kWh (8.7kWh/100km) would be nigh on miraculous efficiency but that can't be accurate. With that efficiency overall it would have a range of 362 mi from its 51kW battery. Stated range is 250mi which is 4.9 mi/kWh, still quite good but not outrageous.
No-one but no-one ever discusses depreciation when discussing cost / affordability. Good job it's 'relatively' cheap cos it'll probably be worth sod all in a couple of years. Discuss true cost of ownership guys, not 'it's got a massive boot, pity about the rear passenger space, or passenger space is amazing, pity about the small boot. Or big boot, lots of passenger space, pity it isn't smaller.... etc....
Big brands like Fiat keep evading the fact that Tesla is the dominant company because of the platform they already built (Hardware + Software + Charge Grid + Customer Service, even if this one is debatable...). If other brands pretend to be competitive, then this kind of car must sell in the 25K area, not the 40K. Tesla made sacrifices and got the advantage.
@@retiredbore378 Agree, but I'm talking about business models. Don't you think that in the 25K range this Fiat offer would be selling like hot bread? Even if it doesn't makes a profit for a period of time (Like Tesla did).
Much as I love the MG5, I don't think it is for the same market. I can't see anyone looking at a Fiat 600e and an MG5. The MG4 is a much better comparison. You can get an MG4 Xpower or an MG4 Extended Range for the same sort of money as this car with the Affinity Discount and anyone can get the Affinity Discount just by joining the MG4 Owners club.
This is the first automotive journalist that I head say the was on STLA medium, even Stellantis said the first car on that platform hasn’t come out yet. So did he use the wrong graphic, which shows the STLA Medium platform?
6 miles per kWh, at say 10p per kWh on nighttime tariff, that's 1.7p per mile. Of course, people shouting scam would use rapid charger prices vs the cheapest petrol they can find. So at say 79p per kWh rapid charger, that's 13p per mile. Compared to petrol at say £1.55 per litre, at 60 mpg (yeah sure) gives around 11.6p a mile. In reality, if people are using rapid chargers, they would also be filling up at motorway services at £1.75 per litre, they would maybe get 40mpg real world, giving them 19.6p per mile. But it's a scam in their words.
Jack, thanks for acknowledging the irritation so many of us feel in calling cars in the >£30,000 price range affordable. You could go the whole way and stop calling them cheap and around the cheapest too. 'Less expensive' and 'around the least expensive' would be so much more realistic for us mere mortals who will never be able to afford anything over £20,000.
I wouldn't disagree but have you noticed how things have exponentially gone up in price since pre Covid. Many items are 2, 3, even 4 time or more times expensive. Those that aren't are where companies are taking a bath to try and keep prices down or have complete control over the (near) whole manufacturing and distribution channels.
I just did a quick search and found that I'm at the 83rd percentile for individual income in the US. Yet even 20,000 pounds would be impossible for me
@@audiovideophile5317-- Agreed. My income is 83rd percentile in the US, yet this car is comically out of reach for me.
You need more second hand cars. Most people don't buy new cars (or if they do it's on finance). The supply of s/h EVs is growing significantly now and will be a (small) flood in a couple more years. This will make them accessible to a lot more people. I've never bought a new car in 35 years even though I can now afford to. I might have to to get an EV (because some poor buggers need to otherwise there will be no s/h ones). (my cars have cost £400(1988), £25(1991), £1100(1992), £300(1996), £4500(2001) so far and I might be spending £9800 this week on another). To join EV club is at least 35 grand, 46 grand for an unconverted van and 81 grand for a converted one. I'm still psyching myself up for that.
@@audiovideophile5317 a bath in cash maybe.
For everyone who’s saying this is expensive: have a look at a similar new fossil car. A Seat Arona 1.0 with 110bhp costs 34,000 euro. An Opel Astra 1.3 costs 33,000 euro. New cars are expensive.
Are there any cheap new electric cars.
Is the wuling bingo available in UK or Europe?
Or a Hyundai i20... 19.7k to 25k. Or for the price of this you could get an i30n with 280ps.
And collapsing residuals mean that this'll be a bargain in two or three years! Great news for everyone who'll never be able to afford the depreciation of any new car.
True - but e.g. a new MG4 starts at 26k, iirc (about 7k cheaper than this Fiat) for a slightly larger vehicle with similar capacity, similar range, slightly better performance.
@@logicalChimp I would love if things like that came to Canada. The only reasonable small EVs are the Bolt, Leaf, and Kona... all of them are kind of expensive and charge slowly.
It's NOT AFFORDABLE ... it's LEAST EXPENSIVE. That being said there's much to admire about this and its fuel economy is worthy of PRAISE. It shows manufacturers are hopefully moving in the right direction. I hope it's successful and proves to be quality built.
Cheap and cheerful at £33,000!
OMG, either I am very poor or these prices are just ridiculous....
He never said cheap. He said small and simple
@@atulmalhotra2303 Yes, in the thumbnail.
@@atulmalhotra2303 Report for misleading thumbnail.
Its ideology versus reality again
@@atulmalhotra2303
tasty price tag, hardly a tasty price tag for a small car that for most people will be of limited use
Sub 10 kWh/100km is actually _really_ impressive, particularly for a "multi energy" (i.e. non bespoke EV) platform.
Claimed efficiency is 15.1 kWh/100 km, and I can't see any level of careful driving going far below that. I think Jack must have got his numbers wrong.
Yeah looks like mad efficiency?! Fiats screen was showing 8.7 kWh/100 km in the video - that would be about 360+ mile range from 51kwh battery!
@@MrAnwarsmithProbably because he was driving at low speeds and in nice weather.
@@PJRyeDefinitely seems wrong. Tesla get's about 4.5km/kWh, Jack claims 6 for the Fiat? No way.
4:40 Self-closing boot/hatch- why? Unnecessary extra complication and weight.
So the poor driver doesn't go deaf when someone slams it shut! (Speaking from experience)
@@rngalston Slamming could be alleviated by damping the force of somebody closing the boot.
The weight difference between a power hatchback and manual hatchback is negligible. It's more complicated and more expensive to implement, so not really a budget option IMO.
Having tolerated a power hatch for 3 years, I'd say the cons outweigh the pros.
@@johnnodge4327 Just something else to fail. Quite superfluous, like electric seat and mirror adjusment and even windows.
The first manufacturer to realise this will have the market (look out the Chinese are coming )@@gerry343
We need sub £25k electric cars !!
Tesla is planning on releasing their Model 2 (Or whatever they call it in 2025 for £25k if they can every other EU Car maker maybe screwed) VW have shown the ID2 but no price and BYD will be bringing the Seagull to the UK (Don't like BYD) But even though I have a MG4 on order dont think Electricity is the answer still think its hydrogen or a synthetic fuel. Wonder why they cannot make a good bio fuel like they did with bio diesel.
@@RobertDodge Disagree with "don't think Electricity is the answer" - but I would agree that Lithium Ion batteries aren't the final answer (although they're doing reasonably well at the moment).
Hydrogen has a number of problems - extracting it, storing it and transporting it, for example - which mean it's unlikely to be an answer for car-sized transport, but could be good for trucks/buses and/or ships, maybe.
Synthetic fuel solves the transport problems of Hydrogen, but whilst burning synthetic fuel may be carbon neutral, it doesn't address any of the other problems (NOx, SOx and particulates, to name just three). I think synthetic fuel will be great for those of us with classic ICEs that we don't want to (or can't afford to) electrify; and historic motor racing. I expect it to be far too expensive for your average chap or chapess to use in their daily driver.
@@RobertDodge biodiesel is even more carbon intensive than regular diesel. Bio fuel offen needs LOTS of space to grow the plants used in production (the sun's energy is not energy dense, and photosynthesis even less) - also, it does not resolve the other pollution issues aside from CO2. EVs tackle both GHG emissions but most importantly imo pollutants that have a direct influence on the life of people around cars in cities, etc
@@theelectricmonk3909 The notion that synthetic fuel is carbon neutral gets plastered around by people and organizations who are interested in staying with the status quo for as long as possible. We are in reality very, very far away from carbon neutrality with most synthetic fuels.
Ethanol is the best "bio fuel like they did with bio diesel" and it's already in UK unleaded at 5 or 10%, any more and cars need to be redesigned to accept the fuel which can damage fuel systems unless they are replaced. In South America E85 is more common. However it has been proven time and time again that it's a horrendous use of land to grow either bio ethanol or bio diesel. That is why these are not widespread.
The only other option is you make synthetic fuel from co2 in the atmosphere. It's extremely hard to scale up and extremely electricity intensive to do, it would be worse for nearly every use case.
Synthetic fuels have just two purposes in a rational future.
1) become a source of hydrocarbon based fuels for industries that have serious physical first principle problems that prevent them being electrified...basically passenger aircraft.
2) as a luxury commodity to run in cherished historical cars of historic value or personal joy for those that can afford this inefficient use of land.
For everything else, renewables and nuclear across the grid to be stored in batteries for cars makes much more sense.
Price is mentioned at 5:15. Entry level price is £33,000.
Thanks, saved me watching the whole thing, as usual their idea of cheap and cheerful is WAY off the mark for the average person.
@@FlyingFun.The Fully Charged Show caters to the elite only ..lol
honestly :(
@@FlyingFun.Average people don't buy brand new cars.
@@NickFosterCheap now ICE cars still exist and are being sold.
The original MG ZS EV Excite model with grant was approx. £23,000 in 2019. We need more cars this size but far cheaper.
not made in China
Good luck in these times and in this market.
@@billpalmer2381 Chinese car industry salaries vary from about 4800-12000CNY, or US$640-1640, or £540-1350 (I assume the executives get paid more, this is for people doing actual work). UK minimum wage is around £1650 a month (40hrs/week, 48weeks/year). You are literally not going to be physically able to make a vehicle in the UK for the price the Chinese can make them. Not without breaking every labour law in the country.
This will never happen again.
It also had half the range of this one
Pro tip for the producers of the show: please watch your videos on a sound system with a proper subwoofer before publishing it. Then you'd notice the insane low-frequency rumble during the in-car driving shots. Please consider a 50 to 80 Hz highpass filter in the future to get rid of that. Thank you! 😊
"Done away with grey". Except in the UK where they're offering it in "Sand - Earth of Italy" also known as metallic grey.
Looks lovely, just the kind of car id like... ill check the price again in 5 year's 😂
At 33k this just seems pointless, why not just get an mg4 or any of the other low 30's vehicles. What the world needs is more small cars that are around 20-25k not another 33k car to add to the giant long list of mid 30s cars.
2021 called, it wants it's electric car pricing back.
Exactly, the unanswered question posed by this review is why would you buy this over MG4 or Atto 3 etc.
I would advise against an MG because China is a dictatorship.
Its far more efficient than the MG4, giving the car a longer range. Defiantly worth something.
Nice car and I really like the brand but this is almost Tesla money….
Hopefully it'll be put together a lot better than a Tesla.
It’s literally £10k less than a Tesla… how can you call that ‘almost’ Tesla money?
MG4
@@CharlieGB03 Well it sure as hell isn't Fiat money. Before the pandemic car supermarkets in the UK were full of ICE Fiat 500's, all under a year old for between £7 - 8.5k. The EV versions aren't exactly screaming affordability.
@@CharlieGB03it’s a modern Fiat Punto for 75% the price of a Tesla. That is a ridiculously high figure.
36k in Germany for a base microcar and 42k for the softtop is everything but cheap.
These UA-camrs are so disconnected from reality.
The Volvo EX30 is going to sell better than this !
How is it a microcar
You're disconnected to the reality that exists; namely that this is about as affordable as it gets so far. How many times must they repeat this? Your gripe is with the manufacturers.
@@jamesengland7461 they're the ones that tried to make it sound like it was cheap, which they continually do. They don't have to do that. They could say, 'This car would be great if it were £10K cheaper' just like people do when reviewing 40 series graphics cards. Also they could say, 'It would be cheaper if it wasn't also built to keep ICE vehicles going on the same body, but instead, they're clinging on for dear life with their love of giving people lung disease, instead of abandoning new fossil fuel models entirely and working on efficient production.'
@@jamesengland7461Dude they already said themselves that cars will be too expensive for normal people to buy in the near future. Watch something else than CNN.
The bonnet/hood of the 600 is long enough to fit the ICE engine of the (plugin?) hybrid. That is the price that is paid for a shared platform.
Oh they're still using this for ICE? That would explain everything about why it's so obviously bad. How shameful.
Hit the nail on the head there Neil another manufacturer trying to save money by cobbling a car together from common parts across there inventory when will they learn that a true EV can only be manufactured from the ground up.
The bonnet of a Tesla is long enough to fit an ICE engine in. Or an MG4 or a VW ID3 or 4.
And there's several ICE cars that don't have long bonnets (the proper Mini, Citroen Picasso...)
I reckon manufacturers make them that shape because (they think) that's what buyers want.
@@MrHemlock51Crumple zones, frunks, you know what those are?
@@موسى_7 My point exactly. The sticky out bit at the front isn't just "wasted space where the engine used to go"
One pedal driving requires a motor of sufficient power to quickly stop the car using regen braking. Smaller motors with lower acceleration mean lower deceleration, too.
And yet my 40kwh Nissan Leaf with the same power output to this Fart has 1 pedal driving
You have to factor weight in. Smaller motor on a heavy car yes; small motor on a light car, not so much. Other contributing factors as well.
What sold the Fiat 500e to me was one pedal driving, and I only have to dab the brakes a couple of times per week from higher speeds to stop them rusting due to lack of use. The omission of one pedal driving on the 600e is a deal-breaker in my case.
One pedal driving seems too complicated, I'm waiting for no pedal driving to become available
It’s not the motor, it’s how fast they can dump power into the batteries. A small super capacitor would be great for this….
I love that this is small and not the oversized vehicles that most EVs are!
I love the eye looking headlights
Efficiency is SO IMPORTANT in electric cars. I really hope European carmakers understand this and really put all their efforts in that direction! Also for highway speed efficiency AERODYNAMICS is KEY! That should really be a priority!
This is true only because batteries are genuinely rubbish for transport. More flammable than diesel and so so bulky.
If batteries cost the same but had 4x the energy density (still a far cry from diesel), efficiency would be quite irrelevant, an academic exercise at best.
I was definitely surprised when you said it was that much. I was expecting mid £20k based on using the word cheap. When I bought a new Renault Zoe in 2016, it was closer to half of that price. Even if you didn’t do the battery rental option it was still way less than any EV today.
I do really appreciate the efficiency of this car though. But then, how much more efficient would it be if it wasn’t raised up more than a standard small hatchback?
£30,000 in 2016 was worth £22,991. So it’s actually cheaper than your Zoe . Inflation.
@@nickclarkuk If your wages have gone up in line with inflation, which, if I was still working at the same job I was then I’m sure it wouldn’t have. Along with most other low wage workers, public or private sector. So you’d be totally priced out of any new cars, as well as most other things in life. It’s hardly surprising how many people went from relatively comfortable to destitute. Everything went up significantly for them, except wages.
Just bought a 1 year old vivaro e life elite for £24k I’m getting nearly 3miles per kw. This is the best car I’ve ever had. I love electric cars.
Interesting review. The new Stellantis drivetrain appears to be offering efficiency on a par with the late lamented Hyundai Ionic that was discontinued a few years ago, but the lack of one-pedal driving is deal-breaker for me. Otherwise, I would consider trading in my 500e for the 600e in a few years' time just to gain the improved efficiency and range.
I have an ionic classic 28kwh , easily get 5.5mplkw, excellent internal space and huge boot. The one pedal selectable regen is a dream. If they squeezed 50kwh battery in it it would be the electric car for the masses. Only dissapoint is the resale value has fallen off a cliff. But then I've no plans to replace it.
I like the colours. I find it more difficult to see grey cars when I'm cycling. It would be great if they could get rid of the tinted glass as well so I could see if anybody was inside the car when it's parked at the side of the road. Then I wouldn't need to keep a meter and a half distance to it .
Very good point.
We could have a better signal than that like a light that stays up when the car is stationery and the driver is in it. They should also have blind spot cameras warning them of oncoming cyclists by now but that probably won't happen until they're allowed to get rid of wing mirrors and move to cameras entirely.
@@jonevansauthor It must already be legal to do away with the wing mirrors in favour of cameras, because the Honda E (remember that one?) already did it - there are others too, although I can't remember which ones. I assume "cost" is what's stopping more manufacturers from doing the same.
Just once I'd like to be able to answer the question of whether this is the EV we've been waiting for with a resounding yes. Sadly this is another overpriced disaster with too many seats and the wait continues. Knowing it'll happen one day isn't much comfort.
Ok, so what do you actually want from an EV, really?
@@theelectricmonk3909I want a 1996 manual electric Toyota Tacoma with with a 1.5 cab. I'd envision that automakers could make decent profits with an MSRP of $15-20K.
@@theelectricmonk3909it should be small, have a modern range for it's size, and be cost effective. That's what we're waiting for. This is even bigger than the Fiat 500e, and outrageously expensive. We want the Wuling Mini or something similar, because Smart have completely abandoned everything that's good about their brand.
The Fiat 500e is too big because it has pointless back seats, and is also very expensive for what it is, but obviously beter than this.
So no, this is not the EV we're waiting for. The Dacia Spring might qualify but that's still an ice age away from the UK sadly and will probably end up overpriced anyway.
No. We dont.
@@davisbradford7438 why the 1996 model out of curiosity? Is it some kind of classic and you want someone to convert one, or do you want a brand new Toyota EV that has basically the same body or something?
I knew exactly where Jack was going with the opening joke, and I'm all for it, well played sir lol.
This is just a new design over the electric Stellantis platform (with the new battery and motor).
Because that platform is used in so many models, it should be cheaper.
And no one pedal drive is a error nowadays.
Soo.... You've just repeated pretty much exactly what he told us in the review, then.....
.... So, a form of 'mansplaining' ......!!
@@andymccabe6712 so I agree with him 😉
Great review as always and good to see you getting lost as usual 😉your a good sport for leaving that in, I do share others frustrations about £30k+ cars being called "cheap", although appreciate it's all relative, i think the real concern is that EV's are being used to re-calibrate car prices skyward and when's there's nothing but electric cars to buy in a few tears time, it's going to make things really hard for many drivers, especially those of us reliant on the used market where inevitably prices will be higher too.
Plus if the price of battery grade Lithium keeps rising with demand, it's very difficult to see a time when EV's will ever get cheaper to produce.
At a base price of £33k, I wonder how many will stump up that for a shared platform, bloated 500 during a cost of living crisis. Demand for VW's IDs is falling and I'm not sure there'll be much demand for this. With so many comparisons and reviews available today, anything sub par stands little chance. For that money you could get a 2020 Model 3 with 348 miles (WLTP).
Soo...... You could buy a USED example of a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CAR(which is, in fact, a SALOON, ffs..!) , then...
..... is that what you're offering as an argument.....!?!?
@@andymccabe6712 Ok - better comparison - someone could buy a new MG4 (slightly bigger, same range, same style of car) for ~7k less than this Fiat.
That's the whole point - an example showing it's possible to drive one of the best electric cars on the market or this very average offering from Fiat for the same money; highlighting what bad value it is. If I deeded a brand new hatchback, this offering wouldn't be on my list. @@andymccabe6712
I did an impression of Jack when venturing in to the BYD Dolphin and set the front seat at my driving position and then jumped in the back. That car I found a bit the reverse of this one with plenty of leg room, but head room compromised by the sunroof. I think it is also cheaper than the fiat 600😊
No wonder the EU are going to spank tariffs on Chinese EVs. 33k? When an MG costs 8k less? An easy choice for most people’s wallets.
And no proper EV architecture? Bruh, please!
Ching cheng hanji, we're bing chilling in the BYD, kitchen in the dungeon 🎵🎶
Stellantis are just slapping different car brands on the same platform - Jeep, Citroen, Peugeot, Fiat. The cars might look different but they're skinned versions of the same compromised platform.
It would have been a great electric car if it was priced below 30K€.
At 37K€ you can buy 2 brand new petrol Fiat 500. A 54kWh battery should cost no more than 8K€ in manufacturing and its development expenses are being shared among a lot of models and brands. How could this be so expensive?
Add just 5K€ and you get a far more performant Model 3...
Love it. Fiat are finally starting to reap rewards of being part of Stellantis.
Eeeeeh
They developed the excellent Fiat 500e before joining Stellantis AFAIK.
Watching from Kenya 😊
Nice. Needs to cost 1/2 of the price.
Wait for 3 years and get it used for around that. CHEAPER evs but built at real scale by 2025-2026 and mass manufactured solid or semi solid state cells are gonna just decimate the current ev crops long term values imo. Which is good for adoption long term. 😆
Show me a half decent ICE car that costs £16.5k. The cheapest 1 litre Seat Ibiza costs north of £21k. Most people that comment on the price of EV's don't buy new cars and seemingly have no idea of their present very high (historically) cost. I agree that EV's generally have a high initial cost but over the life of the car it compares very favourably with ICE.
@@pinkio2 well said! SMH most in inventory model 3 rwds near me are 36-38k and below 30k after the tax rebate is added.
Insane value in today's car world for what you get imo. Especially as most toyoduh corolla near me are all over 30k in stock. 👍🏻
@@pinkio2 Used toyotas 1-2 years of age cost that much .. and I'd argue Toyotas are more than "half decent" as far as reliability is concerned.
@@pinkio2 Go to a third world country and you will find good cars for 15k USD. Iraq is an example. There is a car I won't call good, but it is drivable, and it's called Samand, costs about 15k USD. However, even the good Korean cars are cheaper in Iraq than in the first world.
Love it. I have only 3 grinds with it. I hope they will have 3 options to ad. Wireless Android Auto, an electric to open Glass Sunroof, and cooled Seats for more efficiency. Thanks for making me dizzy with reversing lol. NoNo, great job as always. Take care
MG4 long range is £28k -280 mile range.
That 'iPad' cover thing on the centre console really does scream CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP. £33,000 for that, you must be joking.
They've missed a trick not putting in on EV architecture. Otherwise it could be a challenge to the Zoe. I suspect the Renault 5 will make this look silly when it comes out.
Living in Torino, I loved you comments about traffic here 😆
Kwh/100K in human language is far more common than miles/KWh around the world. I know this is a mainly a UK channel but I think you aim for a global audience, so keep that in mind. An overlay with KWh/100K would be appreciated in other videos...
Why do Europeans do that? Isn't it easier to multiply the distance by the consumption per kilometre?
How is £30K cheap?That is N.Z $60K.
Who buys new cars with massive depreciation?
Biggest problem with Italian cars is the electrics,aside from build quality etc,so how can their BEVS fair any better?
Quite like the look though,the headlights should have eyebrows.
I like the 600e but you have to be fair: the version you had (Prima) comes at 42500€ roughly, so at the same as the base Model 3. and that is bigger, faster, and has better materials... but the Fiat has better safety features like 360Kamers and USS
For me the base version Red would be the one to go for.
Don't think it really has better safety given Tesla vehicles rank top in their respective classes via euro ncap.
Fiat and Jeep cars on the other hand are some of the only vehicles to get an abysmal 1 star in the last few years
It has physical buttons though. Tesla's are all very well but they're a UX nightmare and hence dangerous in real-world use.
@@armadillito i did 51000km so far and not one dangerous moment due to the car and ux 🤷♂️
@@armadillito there is definitely a curve to get used to it. I really wish my model3 had physical buttons for climate since I change that often but all the other elements you use so rarely that a screen is fine anyway
biy it
I dont want to suggest that a Nissan leaf is as good as this or the MG but you can still get a brand new one for more than 10k less than this! Oh and you get one pedal driving.
Love your reviews across the board. I would love to see additional information regarding the batteries, though. When you tell us what the battery size is, it would also be great to know what the underlying battery chemistry is, such as LFP or NMC. Thanks!
We don't mind you calling it the cheapest, or best value, but AFFORDABLE has a definition. Don't be a jerk about it
33000 pounds is NOT cheap. Hot damn.
33000 pounds is one heavy car! What The Frunk?
Hey Jack. Love your work 👍
Can you tell the car makers we want cheap entry level electric cars.
The Nissan Arriya finally came to market and it doesn't one pedal driving. I didn't even leave the parking lot because of that.
Why would any EV not have one-pedal driving?
Tesla Model 3 - $40240 (26/Sept/2023)
Tesla Model 3 RWD £42,990 ($52,277) in the UK.
Re the one pedal driving, I think PSA (Stellantis) when they designed the eCMP platform elected to play it safe for those making that first move from ICE to EV.
I believe that the STLA Medium platform as revealed with the New E3008 which you are yet to review, does have selective regen through padles on the steering wheel.
Love your reviews Jack. Great job. There is a dirth of EV's where I am,so it's great to see what's happening in the rest of the world
Surprised I doesn’t do one pedal driving since the 500e does - in Range mode
While I accept 30k is justifiable for an EV considering your not burning money on fuel… still with a 30k price tag purchasing the car you need to pay it off upfront or large down payment and sizeable amount of money monthly which makes the car… unaffordable to most.
It appears not everyone got the memo that one pedal driving is less efficient than just coasting, unless you’re going down long stretches of downhill where you would be hitting the brakes anyway
Now do the Topolino! (Maybe with someone shorter than Jack though 😂)
Efficiency relates to cost per mile. Especially at the lower price bracket cost per mile is important, just as MPG is important. With the high price of public charging a lower cost for motoring is attractive, even if the price of this vehicle is not cheap.
For comparison my Tesla model 3 gets 299 watts per mile while this video says this car gets 166 watts per mile. That is impressive, for a cost comparison my car at my electricity cost is 2.67 cents per mile while this one costs 1.52 cents per mile. So, this car is about $3000 cheaper MSRP and a little cheaper to drive per mile but doesn't qualify for the 7500$ tax credit in the US if it was sold today. Also remember the comparable car's cost per mile of 12.7 cents per mile.
@@nehpets216 The video is mainly aimed at the UK where there is no $ Tax credit.
@@solentbum I was using local numbers to show that it would be less expensive over time than my car once this comes over to the US Market.
@@nehpets216 I do wonder if Fiat will bother with the USA, One can hope they will, but?
It's got eyes like it's smoked a dozen joints
car worth 1/3 of the price at which it is sold. If you buy it, you'd better not reproduce.
That face makes me think it has something to say, like any minute it'll start talking to me. I really like it, if they sell this in North America it'll need to work with the NACS so it won't be shit to charge up
8.7 kwh per 100 km is just bonkers. Anything less than 15 kwh/100 km is still good in my mind. Very impressive!
Since an electric car cannot regen more than the power the motor is built for, this maybe why there is no one-pedal-braking on this small one.
If the motor is so weak, might as well buy a Tesla.
What many people's comments are saying is that EV's are not cheap and I agree. I bought my EV car in March 2022 and the same car now in 2023 is more than €2,000 more. For me it was affordable only because of the very generous €12,000 grant (including scrapping a 10-year old ICE car) which is given here in Malta and which brought the price to roughly €25,000. So I agree that to say that the 600 is "cheap" is like saying that a Porsche Taycan is cheap when compared to a Bugatti hypercar.
the problem with electric cars is the price
You pay more upfront on the price of an electric car, but then save on fuel and maintenance costs vs. a gas car. It amounts to $1,000-$2,000 savings a year in the US depending on your situation. I’d imagine the savings is even higher in areas in Europe where the fuel isn’t heavily subsidized like it is in the US with taxpayer dollars.
Furthermore, in the US, you can get a Chevrolet Bolt for around $20k and a Model 3 for around $32k. That’s literally cheaper than their competitors in the respective classes of those cars. My point is, the argument you made was true a few years ago, but not anymore 😊.
@@evan18155 no, it's still true now. Because no-one is making a cheap electric car that's available worldwide. And no, £30K+ isn't remotely cheap.
@@evan18155electricity in the us cost around half what it is here in europe, not to mention Germany which has the highest electricity cost worldwide... currently owning a car ICE or EV is around the same
Problem with all new cars.
Money is created to finance new cars, new houses, etc. Single digit margins of profit are no longer possible, especially in "highly competitive" markets. Citroën C1 city cars are gone, the VW eUP! was almost cancelled.
How cars are priced creates inflation and overtime trying to outrun inflation, reducing the value of profits for executives and shareholders. So they intentionally try to ensure continual, successive profit and growth YoY
All businesses/executives are expected to do this. And it is unsustainable, not just for the market of EVs bit in everything that's held captive in a market.
And this is evidently hollowing and burning out the earth
Sorry if I can't take you seriously if you just blame electric cars for being expensive and not how the big automakers created inflation! Haven't you seen every car become posh Crossovers?
@@evan18155 Not quite so clear-cut. I spend a bit over 2,300€ total every year on fuel + maintenance + insurance. And I Have 1 car, and 2 motorcycles. So maybe the car turn out to be around 1,500€ a year. I do my own maintenance, and get the cheapest insurance around + get the cheapest gas too.
But in my case, I could probably save like 1,100€ in fuel a year. So it would take me: 38,000€ / 1,100€ = 34 years for it to make any economic sense. In other words. It just makes no sense at all.
Maybe for someone that is looking for a new car... But if you switch to save money... Just NO!
But if you want a new car, the cheapest car in Europe is 13,000€. So for it to cost more than this fiat, (considering it consumes the same fuel as the one I have, and by the spec sheet it is very close) it would take: (38,000€ - 13,000€) / 1,100€ = 22 years to cost the same. Also, makes no sense at all. And I think I was generous with the fuel savings, since electricity is also rather expensive.
I want an electric car. I think they are awesome. But I will most definitely wait, and spend my money on other things.
9kw/100 Km is insane! A 100 kWh Battery would get this further then 1000km! If I drive my Model Y as efficient as possible it still consumes 13kW/100 Km, and thats considered efficient. But still: Its too expensive. It 41k vs 44k on the Model Y. You get so much more car for that extra 3k, plus Supercharger Network
Hate the eye looking headlights
Gives you an evil eye
I dislike cars with faces too.
@@Nicenotherbaltea but with a heart?
@@doddsalfa ,I think it’s pretty nice car but I think I’d like it more without the eyes .
To be honest, the efficiency of 9kWh per 100km sounds ridiculously small given that Mercedes super aero EQX had about 9.X kWh/100km driving at 90km/h with lots of drafting. Either the Fiat 600 was driven quite slow or it really is an efficiency monster.
Jack, i was cleaning my teeth watching this and i spat my toothpaste across the room when that Audi over took you. Too funny! Great review as always 😂
For me, nothing will ever justify a new car being classed as affordable when the base trim starts at £33,000.
Since only a tiny percentage of people can fork out £33k outright, lets breakdown the monthly cost:
- Even with 0% APR (Standard is around 8%)
- 8,000 miles a year
- No deposit
- Over 55 months
= You will have to pay £600 per month.
Now, try to convince us that £600 per month is affordable - and that's without insurance, fuel costs, service/MOT etc.
Utter madness...
What would a gasser in the same segment with similar power options and tech cost you though for a real comparison?
@@4literv6most people would be fine with an ebike if you can't effortlessly pay 600 euro per month
@@4literv6 Post covid we are being taken for a ride on ALL new vehicles. Both new ICE and EV's are such a rip-off currently, if this price trend continues it makes you wonder who is going to be able to afford motoring in years to come.
@@jimmyp7928 true however 2019 prices adjusted for inflation? Put us about where we would've been, however no more 0% interest for top credit, and of course almost no $ off at the stealership either. In fact post covid dealers have gotten away with some murderous markups. 🙂
@@4literv6 Inflation has been a killer over the past 2 years. Vehicle prices were pretty stable for years prior to 2020 despite interest rate changes - but I agree with you that it is a multitude of factors including greed. Prices started rising during the semi-conductor shortage and seem to have spiralled out of control ever since.
0:07 He is technically correct. That's the best kind of correct.
I love the fact the new 600 looks cute and mean at the same time.
Always mention your sources... "The best kind of correct" comes from the 'Hermes the Bureaucrat' episode of Futurama.🙂
That rear seat thought… so well thought out.
I would go for ex30 over this anytime
buy it
@@sharonbraselton4302 I definitely would if I was in a need of a new vehicle
I love a smooth tuned brake pedal for regen in normal driving there the car is just rolling free when I'm of the pedal and it's no reason for any braking. And I think it's more impressing with the manufacturer that have managed to tune the regen on the brake pedal such as you don't understand that you always use regen braking if you are not panic breaking. Of course drivers are different, but as a passenger I don't like that my head are rolling for unnecessarry regen-braking because the driver don't have steady right foot. I suppose that everybody now know that one pedal driving came because Tesla didn't manage so smooth regen braking on the brake pedal as they wanted and found it easier with tuning for a one pedal driving. And it's ofcourse ok for people who like it and can drive smooth with this, but the driving style I have experienced wasn't comfortable for me as passenger. Have a smooth drive😊
I really like this Fiat 600, but at this price point i see no reason to choose it over a Tesla Model 3.
You can get a slightly used Model 3 for that price, no-brainer
@@jason8966A Model 3 is 60cm longer with no added value and it doesn't have a rear hatch. So in theory the Fiat is the clear winner. It also looks cooler and has blinker stalks. But then what do I know.
@@adrianguggisberg3656 Well, I think you've summed up a comparison between those two perfectly 🤦🥴
@@jason8966 No, I didn't. I just pointed out one possible viewpoint that may apply to some, while others would see it completely different. But I know that the concept of two views being perfectly opposed and still both equally valid and true is hard to grasp for some.
@@adrianguggisberg3656 You said there was no reason to go for a Model 3 over this car (btw insert any other EV here)
To which I replied you can go for a slightly used one in which case it makes absolute sense.
As you say, two view points which is fine.
You then got all defensive listing some differences out of many more.
I can do many viewpoints, you obviously can't.
Really have to laugh how car review these days think £30k is CHEAP!!!! bloody hell !!!!! They are not in the real world if families struggling to keep yp with ever rising costs...who would give £30 k for one of these 🙄🙄🙄
Only ev I can afford is the mg 4
Get one then, it's a brilliant car. I've had mine nearly 15 months. It's so good to drive.
I never accidentally stress out passengers with acceleration in any car. 'accidentally' is doing the work there
Small, simple but ludicrously over priced for what it is..... Just goes to show more and more what a good job MG have done.
MG 4 is Chinese shit with serious reliability problems
@@carlomorischi3435 Erm, which reliability problems? I've had an MG4 for several months now, and with the exception of one minor glitch (the "auto hold" function claims it's faulty occasionally, although it usually fixes itself within 1/2 mile), it's been 100% reliable. No visible oil leaks either. It may be Chinese, but it's at least as good as anything Germany or France churns out.
@@theelectricmonk3909 They drive like utter shit, no feeling, on/off brakes, hard to feel what the chassis is doing... and the power steering is not consistent with a turn. Which is probably fine if you've only ever driven corrollas or Nissan micras, but that doesn't mean it's good. I imagine you don't live in an area with windy rural roads like NZ. I drove an MG 3 weeks ago from Invercargill to Queenstown and I can confidently say its the worst car I've ever driven.
@@wigrammartialarts I beg to differ. I drive an MG4, and whilst it doesn't have the same engagement as my Jag XJR, or the pointy-clickyness of my old Ford Capri racing car, it's perfectly decent to drive. Perhaps you should actually try one out, instead of making specious comparisons with an MG3, which is an older & completely different vehicle. FYI I grew up in rural Cheshire (plenty of twisties), and I've driven my MG4 in Wales - which invented the windy rural road. It handles just fine, the brakes are fine (the transition from regen to actual braking is undetectable), the low centre of gravity & rear wheel drive make it decently entertaining. The only fly in the ointment is, you can't turn off the traction control, so proper arse-out fun isn't possible.
@theelectricmonk3909 the car I drove from Invercargill to queenstown (look the trip up) was an MG4. Also the XJR is a boat. Where did I say an MG3?
We need to know the battery mnf & chemistry and what's under the bonnet please.
Cheap?! Are you mentally challenged?!
Unless this is 25.000 euro in top trim, you cannot call this CHEAP.
For what it offers it's SEVERELY overpriced
I just knew that battery speech was gonna run long. I always live that
Ah, the 500E was good enough for us. One of the only 2 door Cabrio EV's, that can do a usable 300km.
But with €38.000 for the 500E cabrio, it is not affordable.
So Fiat has build a 4 door car, just like all the other manufactors in the world. They "created the boring 4 door 5 person 600E. . . . . whow.
To compare, the 500E cabrio is €20.000. With the extra cost for the higher loan + intrest, the EV will be over €40.000, being double the price of the ICE version.
Guess what most people can afford.
And €38.000 starting price for the Fiat 600E isnt making it more affordable, doesnt it.
Europe can build affordable EV's with a minimum range of 300km for the masses.
The Chinese can. The BYD or MG4 are by far the better choice.
There are countless ICE, 5 person cars with a range over 600km for less than €25000. Idiotic to by a car for €40k that can do the same.
"There are countless ICE, 5 person cars with a range over 600km for less than €25000. Idiotic to by a car for €40k that can do the same.": The "one tank range" is literally only an issue if you've never owned an EV. After about 4 weeks with one, you'll realise that how far you can travel in a single stint is completely irrelevant.
@@theelectricmonk3909 Not so,
With the smaller EV's there products that can only do a range of max 60km to 100km. Lots of people come with those cars as "proof" that there are affordable small EV's
That is why a minimum range in cars is relevant, when you want to compare usable EV's with normal ICE cars.
The Fiat 500e is literally the only small EV with a minimum practicle use of 300km.
Any EV that is compared with all ICE cars should be able to go on a highway and do 100kmh minimum and a 300km range.
Otherwise it is not comparible with an ICE car, but more with a city scooter with a roof.
@@BMWHP2 I'd personally be fine with an EV that can do 200km but I'm never going to pay more than 15.000€ for something like that. I can buy any used ICE car I want for about 5.000€ and even if immediate repairs cost me another 2.000€. If I drive that for 15-20 years (assuming it doesn't rust away or dies in an accident), even considering fuel costs, maintenance and taxes, I'll still have more money left over than if I bought this 600e instead. These prices are utter madness.
@@KonsaiAsTai Totally agree. About €20.000 is the limit for the masses for a new car.
That 250km range is about the distance that people on average do on longer trips without stopping to rest anyway. So 300km real world range is needed to have a margin to find a working charger.
With 200km you'll have to look for a charger around 150km to be safe, that will become a huge bother on weekend trips.
Charging 1 time to get to a 500km destination is reasonable.
Looking for a charger, charge and go back on the road will take you around 45 minutes?
But charging every 150km on a 500km trip will set you back 2.5 hours to destination and an other 2.5 hours back. That is 5 hours charging on 1 weekend trip. No fun.
So, 300km real world range should be the bare minimum when people compare EV's with ICE vehicles.
For the time being. We will keep our ICE Smart Cabrio. 4.5ltr on 100km.
I agree with you Jack I have a 500e with one pedal driving and would want it in the 600e if fiat do not introduce it in later cars then I would not consider buying it.
No - this isn’t the small AFFORDABLE, simple electric car we have been waiting for. Stop pushing £33k cars - they are not affordable for the masses - only to the London chattering classes.
It is overweight and poorly packaged as it not a bespoke EV platform so it is compromised and over priced (£8k more than the MG4).
Lady decade 😅
It's all of £15,000 at most 😂
Hi can you please do a feature on the back to back actual cost to of say a weeks motoring in London between comparable electric and ICE cars. I suggest this because this week I heard someone say with absolute conviction that 'given current electricity prices that it is MORE expensive to run an electric cat than an ICE one!' Please myth bust this ASAP, thanks.
Its all of £15,000 at most 😂
7.1 mi per kWh (8.7kWh/100km) would be nigh on miraculous efficiency but that can't be accurate. With that efficiency overall it would have a range of 362 mi from its 51kW battery. Stated range is 250mi which is 4.9 mi/kWh, still quite good but not outrageous.
No-one but no-one ever discusses depreciation when discussing cost / affordability. Good job it's 'relatively' cheap cos it'll probably be worth sod all in a couple of years. Discuss true cost of ownership guys, not 'it's got a massive boot, pity about the rear passenger space, or passenger space is amazing, pity about the small boot. Or big boot, lots of passenger space, pity it isn't smaller.... etc....
Beautiful Car with a high value EV package 📦 Well done Fiat!
No competition for MG 4 😅
Big brands like Fiat keep evading the fact that Tesla is the dominant company because of the platform they already built (Hardware + Software + Charge Grid + Customer Service, even if this one is debatable...). If other brands pretend to be competitive, then this kind of car must sell in the 25K area, not the 40K. Tesla made sacrifices and got the advantage.
@@retiredbore378 Agree, but I'm talking about business models. Don't you think that in the 25K range this Fiat offer would be selling like hot bread? Even if it doesn't makes a profit for a period of time (Like Tesla did).
I’ve just trawled through Autotrader £25k max, delivery mileage only. Quite a choice for £8k less than this.
Please guys get your hands on the currently just unveiled production ev sportscar! The sc01! We want to know more!
I stopped watching when you said it starts at £33,000! Do you people live in the real world???
I bought a 1 year old Peugeot e-208 last year for EUR24k and absolutely love it!! How does the 600 electric stack up against it do you think?
They are the same car - Stellantis badge engineering, isn’t it…
Oh my god, Citroen tried cars with eyebrows about a decade ago and thankfully it died, but now it’s back and it’s winking at me! 🫣
For this money, you can buy already an MG5 Long Range
This should be top comment
Much as I love the MG5, I don't think it is for the same market. I can't see anyone looking at a Fiat 600e and an MG5.
The MG4 is a much better comparison. You can get an MG4 Xpower or an MG4 Extended Range for the same sort of money as this car with the Affinity Discount and anyone can get the Affinity Discount just by joining the MG4 Owners club.
This is the first automotive journalist that I head say the was on STLA medium, even Stellantis said the first car on that platform hasn’t come out yet. So did he use the wrong graphic, which shows the STLA Medium platform?
It looks like a lady cartoon car
6 miles per kWh, at say 10p per kWh on nighttime tariff, that's 1.7p per mile.
Of course, people shouting scam would use rapid charger prices vs the cheapest petrol they can find. So at say 79p per kWh rapid charger, that's 13p per mile. Compared to petrol at say £1.55 per litre, at 60 mpg (yeah sure) gives around 11.6p a mile.
In reality, if people are using rapid chargers, they would also be filling up at motorway services at £1.75 per litre, they would maybe get 40mpg real world, giving them 19.6p per mile.
But it's a scam in their words.