@@piotrswat169shaq to be honest would live in pick and rolls they'd just keep him on the perimeter and bury them with 3s it would be a greats series but I don't think Shaq as great as he is would be what would beat the warriors
Yall cried for half a decade about how overpowered and unfair the warriors were just to call draymond crazy when he says they were the best team ever. Switch up is wild.
@@CWZimba there are people to this day who say that Kevin Durant’s warriors rings don’t count because of how outrageous and unfair it was for him to play with them. No other all time team is remembered in that light to the degree that they are
@@patrick05Morgan in fairness it's aimed specifically at Kevin for joining a 73 win team. Steph, klay and draymond are openly acknowledged for having 4 ships
@@CWZimba you’d be surprised how many people target Steph curry and call his championships fraudulent, yet almost every single all time great had great help as well.
Both you and green keep mixing and matching players from different years. Bogut wasn’t on the 2017 warriors. Here’s how the 17 gsw vs 01 lakers would really go down. Curry, thompson, Durant would all be shooting about 42+% from 3 because they’ll eat on DHO’s, p&r’s, and pin downs because shaq could not and would not ever leave the basket defensively. That’s wide open 3’s all game for 3 of the 15 best shooters ever all in their peaks. They’d also be eating in transition offensively with curry and thompson spreading the lakers to the 3 point line with Durant, igoudala or Livingston handling and getting clear paths to the basket. They’ll always have the advantage because shaq was so lazy and slow to get back. If the lakers decided to switch instead of giving up open shots all game, Durant would just cook smaller guys like fisher in the mid range all game, and curry would cook bigger slower guys like grant and fox on the perimeter. Defensively, GS will just double shaq with ZAZA on him and KD, green or igoudala doubling down. That’s a big body and then another wing with extremely long arms. Other 3 GSW defenders zone up on the lakers shooters and can recover easily when shaq passes out. They’ll also have pachulia, McGee and west use up all 15 of their available fouls through out the game by hacking shaq where he’ll then shoot about 48% from the line. They’ll also have Durant, thompson and igoudala taking turns on Bryant. Kerr will instruct them all to say certain things to feed into his ego and have him ruin the lakers offense by forcing up BS shots and go into iso/1 on 1 shot jacking mode. Those 3 guys will stay fresh by taking turns on him and Bryant will shoot about 40% from the field, take a bunch of heavily contested long 2’s, and ruin LA’s chances by trying to play hero ball instead of getting the ball to shaq on the block. Lakers probably get 2 games. Warriors in 6.
That is a pretty biased assessment. I think a lot is sensible about how the Warriors play, but let’s not pretend anybody is guarding Shaq. And even if they are doubling and forcing a pass out, he’s a good passer. His team largely is not as universally skilled/talented as the Warriors, but this have guys who hit their shots. I think it’s fair to say that the Warriors have the advantage based on better offense
@@Jonathan-A.C. what did I say that was biased? I ever said anybody on their team could guard shaq. I said they’d use their 3 big bodies and 3 long wings to double him every time so that he’d have to pass out. If he didn’t pass out then he’d likely have to commit an offensive foul. I also said they’d have their guys use 15+ fouls in order to send shaq to the line rather than having him play 1 on 1, and shaq was obviously a terrible FT shooter. I never said he wasn’t a good passer, but the warriors other 3 defenders would easily zone up on the lakers 4 other players, especially with a non 3pt shooter like grant or guys who shot 32% and 31% from 3 in the playoffs like Bryant and fox. Once O’Neal passes out to the perimeter, golden state would easily rotate back and recover to stop a potential drive, or force fox or Bryant into a heavily contested 3. It would be different if fox and Bryant were 38% 3pt shooters and GS couldn’t afford to leave them open, or if GS didn’t have the defensive personnel to recover after a double team, but they did. I still think the lakers would get a game or 2, so I’m not disrespecting them.
@@tonj02 Well I think even then, it’s underrated Shaq’s pure physical dominance, although that’s not to say he didn’t throw the elbows pretty often. I also think it’s underrating his passing ability, because at good passer will have a solid chance to reach other teammates if they themselves. And even if it’s gonna be pressure on the perimeter, I’m sure they’d sub in the Lakers who can shoot better (which I still think would result in better Warriors offense, but it’s not from them being directly countered).
@@King_Boo_5shaq isn’t beating a team by himself. who’s stopping curry, klay and kd? curry is either getting open threes off of drop in p&r or cooking any unswitchable big one on one. the warriors made small ball effective because when every player can dribble and shoot switchability becomes one of the most important traits in a defender.
11:15 “to be objective here” Then proceeds to lie and say that curry couldn’t create his own shot lmao Go look at the numbers, go look at the games with your eyes and you’ll see curry be one of if not the best shot creator in the league back then. This lie you keep telling that he couldn’t create his own shot until a few years ago is completely fabricated.
Fax, curry is a 6’2 non-athletic guard that routinely has averaged 30 while being guarded more intensely then arguably any other perimeter player ever, yet he somehow “wasn’t an elite shot creator.”
Neither of those teams would be able to guard each other so it would come down to who is gonna out offense the other, and if its the 2017 version of the warriors man i still got them😭. Kd steph and klays shooting and offense is crazy, shaq would dominate and kobe would be stressing klay and iggy out tho. Shaq would be the best player in the series but idk thay 2017 warriors team was cheating man
The Warriors will be in easy foul trouble just trying to stop Shaq alone. Warriors will have to make their 3s at superhuman efficiency to even offset Shaq's 2s. Nobody on that Warriors squad can defend 01 Shaq alone.
@@y2shuproblem you probably started watching nba in 2020 but before that time the 3 best players of that geneation were lebron james, steph curry and kevin durant insanely talented players unstoppable on offense and two of them joined forces
This isn’t prime draymond.. no big dominated prime draymond. Boogie, AD, Duncan, Lamarcus.. none of them.. they not shaq but he’d do a number on him like barkley and Rodman did.. draymond is an all time defender
@@OffTopicKamah He is a top 5 defender of his generation. But he would get cooked by Shaq and Giannis in a playoff series. He's too small and not strong enough to guard them. Green is 6'5 with a decent wings span.
Claiming that Rick fox and Derek fisher would consistently make enough threes to offset Klay and Curry is wild. The Warriors’ offense is simply to overwhelming and they win the series.
I honestly think the Warriors should do what teams back then did with Shaq. You throw your biggest guy at him and slow his walk into the restricted area. You could also double on the catch and try to force Shaq to pass. While yes, they had quality shooters, the Warriors are living with Robert Horry and Rick Fox taking 10 3pt shots per game. Kobe will likely get his 25 to 30 also. On the other end, I worry about the Lakers' inability to switch on offball screens. Even modern teams with faster, longer defenders struggle with switching against the prime Warriors. Durant's production will likely match Kobe's and Curry will be taking wide open 3pt shots on the drop coverage, not mid range, because they can always set the screen higher. Shaq is gonna get exposed just like Rudy if they start forcing switches when Fisher can't get around the screens fast enough. The Warriors will win the series because the Lakers are the ideal of a dated strategy that has clear flaws relative to modern strategies. The talent of Kobe and Shaq will have to carry them, and I don't know if that's reliable given the trouble they will have defensively.
The warriors if we're being honest would probably be the best defense they've faced when you consider how good the warriors defense is with how difficult it is to guard offenses today because of the spacing and talent level. Iggy would be at the top of best defender guarding kobe, and dray would be near the top of best help defender, and he also has switch ability. And that's their defense. Steph shoots comfortably from 40 and Durant and klay from 30. That is so gross
@@thetrib1 2017 gsw best team I ever seen thats when all were in there prime and kd just came to win a ring with no ego. Most supertstasr play heliocentric steph and kd played in the system which made it so deadly.
If you think you can go over steph screens in drop at 30 ft you crazy. He’s taking one big dribble to the line and pulling. He shoots that at 40%+ easily. That’s a 120 offensive rating. Then you have KD and Klay spotting up if you send help. No one has ever been able to slow Steph below 70% ts without switching or doubling.
Draymond literally said he couldn’t stop Shaq. His point was about disruption and giving a different set of issues and challenges. Se have to go for what we know. Now as for rules we can do a hybrid model of the rules, but the teams essentially use their normal rotations and modifications to gameplan. This is not rocket science and it’s not all about analytics. Them Lakers would get Killed! That 17 team functions alot like that Sacramento team Lakers struggled with and our group was superior in all aspects outside of C webb of course. We would torch they ass
We have to be real about how the warriors play style is. It’s demoralizing to see guys shooting from 30 feet plus. Running around the entire game and not missing a beat. They literally don’t stop moving. Then they got a scoring machine in KD who has never been seen before. And we’re forgetting about Demarcus Cousins being on their team at one point, along with Draymond. Honestly the team is just to good. Then we’re forgetting the crowd factor of the playoff atmosphere. The warriors go on incredible runs and make shots that just rip your heart out. Good defense and all and he still makes it. That’s just hard to play against haven’t even went over bench players either.. It’ll be a tough series but I’m thinking 6 games at best out of respect for Kobe and Shaq.
We have to take the nostalgia glasses off. The 2017 Warriors are not losing to the 01 Lakers or any other team. Acting like Javalenane Bogut aren’t genuine 7 foot bigs that are certainly on the level of most bigs of that era is crazy. Shaq isn’t an auto-win button, we saw Shaq almost get swept by a Jazz team that started Gregg Ostertag in 1997. We saw them actually sweep them in 1998 where Van Exel and Eddie Jones were Allstars and Horry was already on the team, already Big shot Bob with Finals experience next to Hakeem in Houston. Yes they got significantly better-but you’re not stopping the Warriors. The only team that even had a remote shot in their run did it by hitting 1000 threes.
What's funny about it? Prime klay was a very good defender. I know nobody is stopping kobe but nether are they going to stop Klay, KD, and Curry at the same time.. cause even if you fully lock one of them.. you'll do nothing but create more opportunities for the others
Let’s not forget shaq got swept 5 different times in his career before he won his first chip…. 94 vs Indiana 0-3 95 vs Houston 0-4 96 vs Chicago 0-4 98 vs Utah 0-4 99 vs Spurs 0-4 The one that stands out for me would b 96 bulls… A top tier defensive team but in terms of bigs they had Rodman at the 4 and Luc Longley…. That’s practically the same as Draymond and Bogut/Zaza/Javele.. in terms of bigs to defend shaq
IMO, Dubs in 6. Even though Shaq would be the best player on that court and he probably would average about 34 and 12 and Kobe would get his, they would be trading 2s with the best 3pt shooting team of all time. Too much firepower, they wouldn't be able to score enough to keep up.
The only problem with this is that you can't lock up Kobe. So they have to game plan with the objective of slowing down Shaq and see where it takes them.
Exactly my point. People are nostalgic and don't realize Shaq built his own mythology by being the most present in the media. Orlando's Shaq didn't magically became dominant Lakers Shaq: he was powerful but slower, he just had better back-up, and how many teams knew how to keep Shaq in line? Half of them, and I'm not speaking of hack a shaq. Better centers, good PFs could. And for teams who couldn't, many could stop the pass before Shaq got the ball. This whole debate is moot because of two points: 1- former player NBA analysts built a narrative around their playing importance 2- you can't do like coaching wouldn't count and make a 1 on 1 list.
Less threes, more freethrows like a 1960s era game. Look at how 2024 Lakers' less threes affecting their freethrow percentage. At today's pacing, 2001 Lakers would do that to a greater degree
Facts, Warriors play WAY TOO fast. Three players that can go for 40+ any given night. More versatile defenders, and an offensive scheme that’s more free flowing. 5 shooters with the death line up. Dubs in 5 or six.
Shaq against the Nets with 0 bigs as you said averaged 36 on 64% True shooting. For the entire 2017 playoff run Steph averaged 66% TS and KD averaged 68% TS. Both of them were more efficient than all time Shaq in the Finals against BBQ chicken. Warriors win, straight up. Edit: also the Warriors had a lower defensive rating that season than the Lakers had. A lower defensive rating in 2017 than a team in 2001. Come on now
These comments salvage it for me . I remember when the ‘17 Warriors were in comparison to the ‘96 Bulls, now a convo against the ‘01 Lakers sounds like impossible odds 😂! Recency bias at its finest
I thinko our(Warriors fan speaking) best bet would be to try and do what the Pistons did in 04. Let Shaq get his and go balls out trying to stop Kobe and trust that the other guys wouldn’t knock down enough 3s to counter our production at the other end as well as do what Dray said out Shaq constant action and never let him rest to get him tired and in foul trouble. There’s a lot of realities where the Lakers win but I’m going to wit the 2017 Dubs more times than not. Too much fire power on our side.
If its 2017 warriors then they are winning in 6 imo. Shaq will get his but when they are forcing shaq to move and be active while still hitting shots with kd curry,or klay not to mention they have the better bench as well.Then for defense you arent stopping shaq but Kobe will have Iggy,klay,and Kd trying to stop him while doubling with curry or dray playing passing lanes.
@@albinbergvall9112shaq from 1998-2002 was unstoppable. Also adding the context that the 2000s were the most defensive slowest paced era in history. Yes, Shaq was unstoppable
@@albinbergvall9112accounting for pacing, Shaq would average near 40 in an NBA playoffs today. Maybe 50 in an NBA finals. If you dont want to account for pacing, Luka Doncic is better than Lebron James ever was due to stats and numbers
6:45 Actually the math is kinda mathing. Hypothetically lets just say the Lakers all shot only 100 2s at 55% and GS shot 100 only 3s at 37% then He would win by 1. But this just hypotheticals not including the other factors in the game.
00-02 Shaq is yamming on Draymond and Bogut like Chris Dudley, 40/20 average Finals MVP, Klay not locking Kobe, Fisher can bother Curry enough, Durant would have to go nuclear on Kobe, Horry, and Fox. Warriors get hot and steal 1, gentlemen's sweep.
Fisher would get bitched by Curry you are fcking tripping. Curry dropping 50 on his head on single coverage. They gonna have to double Curry and that means open shots for GSW
@@crystalizedExposed Rick fox can’t guard KD and d fish can’t hold curry Klay can’t guard Kobe but Kobe won’t give him 40. Also GS bench is wayyy too deep.
@@crystalizedExposed Didn't you hear LOW's breakdown? Shaq and Kobe had such a high true shooting percentage, unless Warriors shot their best, they couldn't match LA. #8 Kobe absolutely dogging Curry, and had the athleticism to stay with Durant on switches. Horry was 6'10", Fox was quick and 6'7" to at least make KD work.
The only problem I have with this is that it's assuming that the only way Steph can get off a shot is when Draymond sets a screen. That's just one way. Steph can move off ball and get open. He can straight up mix anyone in front of him to get to his floaters or stepbacks. There's multiple ways he can hurt you.
I think you put kd in front of shaq and bogut behind. You're not going to stop him, to just need to make the entry as difficult as possible. Try to encourage kobe to shoot 3s, otherwise he cooking klay too. Defensively is where you get the Lakers in trouble. Draymond runs the offense from the top, and make bogut set screens. This brings shaq up, or he's on KD getting cooked. Keep running them too, because when shaq goes out, the Lakers are vulnerable. Kobe can't guard them all.
40% from 3 is 60% from 2s. Even if Kobe and shaq go insane and go above and beyond what they normally do curry (who played against teams that prepared and built to contend with the warriors perimeter threats) shot 42% from 3, Kevin Durant shot 44%, and Klay 39% from 3. Since you pointed out how shaq would do better against a team who didn’t have personnel to guard shaq, I think it is fair to say that the warriors would have a considerable and larger increase in their production compared to the lakers production. 44% from 3 is equivalent to 66% from the field which is considerably less sustainable. Also saying Robert Horry shot 36.2% from 3 in 2001 which is basically below average to today’s game. Basically warriors would not be able to stop shaq and Kobe, they would definitely get their buckets, but the warriors are just offensively better than them. If Shaq and Kobe do not produce 66% fg% every single game, warriors will simply outpace them.
I remember that 01 run vividly. Simply because I hated the lakers and wanted them to lose so bad. It’s was BFish, BShaw, Horry and RFox that were all knock down. If you collapsed the paint on Kobe, he kicked it out- boom, 3. You double or triple Shaq and he kicked it out, boom 3. Grant was money from the mid range. Them dudes weren’t missing and they ran through quality competition in 01 in route to the finals and it was just flat out crazy. They had a winning streak if I’m not mistaken that started like 2 or 3 weeks before the playoffs even began. Which was just flat out nuts.
i like how he ONLY talked about Klay playing defense like he doesnt shoot the ball😂. and gone say steph wasnt a shot creator but averaged 28/6/6 that playoff run and 27/9/8 in the finals 🤦🏾♂️
Did Shaq just suggest playing a drop against the greatest shooter ever? Even if it’s not 3s Steph curry might be able to keep up with Shaq layups efficiency off of straight free throw line jumpers. Once the lakers realize that and send help that’s when you get people like klay and kd involved and they start making threes. Also I don’t think people understand that Shaq can’t play the whole game especially with the amount he would have to move to guard the warriors motion offense. And if he does play the whole game then by game 3 max he’s completely tired and now Kobe is spending time on the floor by himself and Kobe isn’t anywhere near enough to compete with that warriors team. Also I didn’t even mention the fact that the lakers don’t have enough great perimeter defenders to have a great defender on BOTH klay and kd. Klay didn’t have to show it, but klay is a legitimate scoring option that can go for 30 any given night when you put a weak defender on him. With all due respect I think that the lakers pull the first two, but from there the warriors sweep. Overall warriors in 6
I swear to god, Shaq loves these hypotheticals because he can sit there stroking himself the entire conversation. That being said, Shaq is definitely gonna devour their defense.
Just to add to your point about the efficiency difference. I would look at the 7 game series that Golden State had against the rockets as a better indicator of how they would perform against the Lakers. KD had a 59% TS and Steph had a 57% TS. That's not efficient enough to stop Kobe and Shaq.
Funny that Shaq wants to gift the greatest free throw shooter in history extra points by intentionally fouling him on drives instead of playing actual defense.
What’s so funny is that LOW brings up KD but Draymond isn’t even talking about that team cuz Bogut wasn’t even on that team. He was in 2019 but Bogut wouldn’t be back line in that scenario it’ll be Boogie (if everyone’s healthy) other than that Bogut was never on a team when KD was on it so KD isn’t even on the team that he’s referencing😂😂
I think it depends on hot steph and klay are during the series. If they have 2016 steph and game 6 klay throughout the whole series then they could have a chance.
all i know is that if it's 16 gsw vs 01 lakers than it's a seven game heater but warriors pull it out. it's pure hypothetical but cmon that warriors team wouldnt be fair in any time period
You said objectively this and that, but my friend imo… 2001 v. 2017 Let’s break it down. GS Starters: Steph, Klay, KD, Dray, Zaza Bench: Iggy, Ian Clark, Javale McGee, Shaun Livingston, David West LAL Starters: Derek, Kobe, Fox, Horace, Shaq Bench: Horry, Shaw, Lue, Harper(Hurt), Deveon George Steph v. Fisher is = Zaza v. Shaq(to a degree 😂) KD v. Fox, Horry is ≠ Kobe v. Klay(all-league perimeter defender at this time). GS bench were 5 rotation players v. LA bench was rotating 2 maybe 3 on a good night. Give the nod to GS bench overall just better players. GS points to victory: 1. Put Shaq in nearly every P&R action. Pulling Shaq from the paint, tiring him out = layups from back screens, down screens, brush screens etc. 2. Shadow Kobe, try and force Kobe to go 1v1 more and lead into trap zones. Allowing late shot clock heaves. 3. Xfactor is once the Death line up is in game, Shaq must be manipulated in every action forcing him to come up in P&R once again, in a more run and gun playstyle. Potential blowout. LAL points to victory: 1. Shaq must involve his team early, being aggressive early could potentially hurt the TEAM. DFish, Kobe, Fox must knockdown 3pointers at a good clip to open the flood gates. 2. Kobe must be ultra aggressive at the rim, not settling for jumpers often. By making GS commit, Kobe then could kick to the shooters or even lobs to Shaq behind defense. 3. Shooters have to shoot more and off the bench. Horry, BShaw, Isaiah Rider must be productive in order for LAL to win comfortably.
Would genuinely just like to hear Low’s thoughts on making some bracket of the greatest teams of all time. Don’t think the result is some revelation (2001 Lakers or 2017 Warriors lol) but would really be interested in hearing him breakdown match ups like 1986 Celtics vs 1996 Bulls or 2013 (?) Miami and stuff
Also with the post moves is not that ppl aren’t good at them now is that it doesn’t make as much since to practice that because that style typically slows the offense down that’s why pace went up
That team could never handle Durant, Curry, and Klay. This idea that they would try to stop Shaq is silly. Let him eat and force Kobe to take difficult shots. There is no one on those teams that can slow down Curry or Durant. And Klay would play great defense on Kobe. Basketball evolves and with the Lakers running the triangle, their offense is built around creating in the midrange and post. I have no doubt the Lakers could take a game or even two through Shaq bullying the Warriors and Kobe getting hot. But when you have Durant, Klay, and Curry pulling guys out to 27 feet, the Lakers would inevitably fall apart, lose in the fast break, and they wouldn't score enough.
Shaq shot .555 in the playoffs in 2000-2001 (against Dale Davis 6’11 230, will Purdue 7ft 240, arv sabonis 7-3 279, vlade 7’1 243, bunch of 6’10 guys max weight 265, and last series Matt Grier 7ft 243, Tod maccolluch 7ft 280. Mutumbo 7’2 245) Kd shot .556 fg while also adding 3s and not missing fts Warriors have 3 players atleast 6’11 270 or over on one team(more than any team Shaq went against that year) So kd and shaq just cancel each other out……. So now what we got??. Kobe and Derrick fisher production vs Curry and klays……….👀 And this is not to mention Shaq would be so fckn Tired running around with Gs, who unlike that team has ever saw will be 3 40%+ volume 3pt shooters with 2 others who are consistently picking n trying to force switches. Game is going to 7 and if they played each other 5 series I wouldn’t be surprised is gs wins 3. Just to seem less having a prime klay and a prime kd which are the only 2 players in history where they would fit on any team and scheme…. And they just so happened to link
I think the series could go either way it also depends on what era of reffing they’d be in.. 2000s era was a lot tougher than todays day imo & I think hand checking was still around for the 01 squad right? & let’s not act like kyrie ain’t a tougher ball handler than young Kobe lol Kobe woulda still got buckets but I think the way Kobe got his buckets is the style that klay had a better time against.. & klay was a very competent two way player back then.. but idk it’s a great what if I think it could go either way fr draymonds gameplan wasn’t the smartest one tbh but I’m sure Steve Kerr would have a better idea on what to do lol
this shit is absurd. i don't even know how people entertain this. modern teams play the game so much better than those early 2000s teams. this isn't a pageant where we are glazing over the bodies and physicality of men. it's a contest of which team scores more. the 2001 lakers had no switchability because the league had never seen an offense that was active enough to require switching to keep up with. the laker's bigs only every knew drop coverage. shaq could average 40 but he'd give it right back trying to defend in drop coverage and the funny thing is it would actually be draymond murdering him with DHOs to steph, klay and kd. shaq would have absolute zero impact on defensive fast breaks when he's running behind all 9 players. i'm pretty sure even the 2018 rockets or even a team like the 2023 kings would fucking sweep the 2001 lakers. the warriors played at a pace 8.5 possessions per game and shot a true shooting 5% higher than the lakers. you guys think andrew bogut(who wasn't even on the 2017 team) fouling out is a death knell for the warriors? maybe everyone either forgot or was completely unaware that the warriors needed to bench him against the cavs in 2015 and then iguodala was given all the credit for draymond sliding to center, changing the series and winning 3 straight to finish the cavs. just as zaza or bogut or whoever could foul out, so could kobe by trying to aggressively defend deep 3s and splits actions. the lakers would be run through more screens, defend more fast breaks and fast break 3's, and defend more deep and off-the dribble 3's and DHOs than they'd ever thought imaginable. this would be a slaughter. you'd have to be a pure ball watcher or someone with agenda not to see or admit it. i forgot to mention that all of kobe and the laker's inefficient shots mean EVEN MORE fast break opportunities for the warriors that the lakers and their oversized bigs wouldn't be able to defend. this is why even a team like the 2023 kings would destroy them. this "debate" is laughable.
This could go either way. Both teams have unique advantages in Shaq and Steph that they can exploit, but the other team has another great offensive option and great role players to boot. The 01 Lakers and the 96 Bulls are the only teams I can see the Warriors having trouble with.
Bruh, the 02 nets are nowhere near the freaking 2017 warriors. Not even close. Cannot compare. If anything, you need to compare to the Sacramento kings, who ran a higher paced offense and used frontcourt playmaking from players like Chris Webber and Vlade Divac, as well as high end stretch forwards like Peja and Hedo. In that scenario, shaq only shot 53% from the field, and if it weren't for the refs literally cheating, the kings win the series in 6.
2017 Wariors were a team with all players in there prime steph and kd were already mvps ccouple years before. Klay was prime klay and draymond was prime draymond. Kobe was about to enter his prime shaq was in his prime. wariors would destroy them: lebj and kyrie had no chance against this juggernaut of a team
Offensively that lakers team only had Shaq and Kobe, even if the both dropped 40 that’s not enough offense to keep up with Steph Klay and KD. And shaq was a great paint defender but would be useless out in the pnr.
But if shaq said he would beat Denver or jokic low would make a 6 hour video on why shaq couldn't guard jokic nd why that system is a too advance offense for shaq
We all know Shaq gone average 50. Problem is most of the games will be over by the 3rd quarter when GS goes on their signature avalanche. Just not enough fire power but trust they will happily live with Shaq getting layups every possession. And the lakers got some shooters but you’d need all of them to be able to take an make a bunch of 3s to keep up with GS.
I hear everybody saying but there's curry and Katie that's all y'all are talking about Jeff getting Klay Thompson was nice not only that who is a very big third option because if Shinobi gonna get theirs who's the third guy is going to follow up and get theirs to offset Klay Thompson Lakers don't have anyonethen we're talking about rest gonna be a point where maybe shack and Colby's not on the floor together and who's gonna be the guy that's gonna be able to compete with the Warriors bench by the best bench that we've ever seen from 2015 to 2019 or 18
2001 Lakers I think would win more often than not for a few reasons. Either team could win. My thought process being them winning is this: 1. I think they would have an easier time making the warriors play at their pace because they have Shaq on the floor and the game has to slow down when he’s out there given the attention he requires. 2. The lakers have enough perimeter defenders to go around that would make it tuff at times for Steph KD and Klay between Kobe Fisher Fox Horry Harper and Lue In this situation I think Phil would more than likely go with a smaller line up at times running Grant at the back up 5 and starting Rob at the 4. 3.Given this Kobe in the early part of his defensive Peak when he was more energetic I’d probably have him check Steph in the most critical moments and Fish on Klay. Honestly either way I don’t think it necessarily matters but I like Kobe against quicker guards over Fish but like I said they’ll guard both. Living KD getting his over Fox Horry Harper(he could guard 1-3 even at his older age I’d probably have him help on KD and let Lue help Fish and Kobe) or whoever is guarding him. My primary focus is to try to neutralize the splash brothers as much as possible. 4. Kobe and Shaq 2 man game with both of them being 2 of best play makers in the league at creating for themselves, each other and open shots for everybody else is something I think that is a lot more difficult to deal with given the Warriors personnel. They are elite at the right spots on offense to exploit the warriors defense and that’s at getting easy points in the paint while being able to knock down open shots. I think the warriors have less answers and bodies to throw at Shaq and Kobe than the other way around . They could exploit the disadvantage of whoever is guarding Shaq and let him pick apart the defense from the block or Use Kobe on the perimeter create and breakdown the defense. I watched Klay guard 34 year old Kobe in his defensive peak and it wasn’t pretty. He’s not doing any better vs 22 year old Kobe. In the event that Steph gets switched onto him I don’t need to say much about that. 5. I do think KD will have a lot of success given that I think the focus would be to stop Steph and Klay living with what KD gives you. We’ve seen much worse teams go 7 games with this warriors team. I think that lakers team would adjust really well to this era.
In my opinion sure, Lakers are going to slow down their game just like teams did against GS. But the Lakers cannot slow down the Warriors. The Lakers have good defenders for an era that was "just stare at the ball and just play defense if your man gets the ball in ISO". Against GS they have to play every possesion continusly running around screens and deciding if they have to switch, double, hedge, run over or under the screen. Playing defense in 04 is not the same as playing defense in 2017. Sure Kobe can guard Steph in a 1v1, good luck running around screens all day and still be expected to score 30 and do it shooting over 44% from the field like he used to. Kobe can create for himself, you cant lock him down. But is very easy to make him take tough shots that is going to make him very inneficient compared to Curry, KD, Klay, Iggy and Draymond. The Warriors dont need to stop neither Kobe nor Shaq, even if they have great games GS is going to outscore them. Those teams that were 7 games, that you think are worse teams than the Lakers are probably giving the Lakers a lot of problems. Teams get better each era, they learn and become more efficient.
THANK YOU! I been saying for years the Warriors been setting moving screens the last 10 years! If moving screens are called the 01 Lakers would Sweep that Warriors team..
@@Woozie894Kobe didn't push off, I've never seen him do that. An Shaq did get get called for offensive fouls when he would elbow the defender when turning but he didn't do that often. The Warriors only chance is to hack a Shaq and hope he misses all his free throws tbh
17 Warriors are kinda OD, I’m not going to lie with Klay. however the 01 any other iteration of the Lakers would beat the hell out the Warriors without KD. I’m deadass.
Listen man, come on. No true competitor is gonna say "oh yeah, your team is beating my team" No one is gonna say that. Especially if they are champions? Come on. So I can't hate Draymond for saying that and having that stance, but. I'm never gonna go against Kobe and Shaq threepeat team.
You also have to account for how Shaq forces other teams to play at his pace. You simply can’t get out in transition when the lakers never give up long rebounds. Every shot shaq throws up usually goes in and if it doesn’t it’s missed close to the basket negates transition 3’s and allows the lakers get back defensively. Also Rick fox, fisher, and horry during that time were lock down 3 and D players that shot the 3 at a very good clip as well.
I’m taking the scoring versatility of the Warriors over Kobe and Shaq. Also Lakers let AI drops 48 on their head, what makes you think they’re gonna slow down prime KD, KLAY, and Curry who all can drop 40+ any given night.
The warriors whould win tho. The lakers got two players who can score 30 the warriors three. Prime KD and Steph are better than young Kobe. Shaq will dominate but so would Steph klay and KD no way there guarding all three. It’s simuler to the nuggets timberwolves series this year. One team has the best player the other team is way deeper
Man said “Klay couldn’t even stay in front of Kyrie” like Kyrie isn’t perhaps the hardest player to ever in stay in front of😂😂
Fr he'd prob do a lil better against kobe lol
3s are more than 2s simple as that. Warriors in 6
Thats the point. If u think kyrie more skilled than Kobe ur bugging. Kobe doing everything Kyrie doing AND he banging on you any chance he gets
@@XEVN7 Kobe didnt have anything close to the handle Kyrie has
@@XEVN7 genuinely delusional take
I like the confidence from Draymond, tho😭😭🤣
"I wasn't on the court tho"
Shaq was a force of nature.Dray would cry.
@@piotrswat169shaq to be honest would live in pick and rolls they'd just keep him on the perimeter and bury them with 3s it would be a greats series but I don't think Shaq as great as he is would be what would beat the warriors
Yall cried for half a decade about how overpowered and unfair the warriors were just to call draymond crazy when he says they were the best team ever. Switch up is wild.
@@patrick05Morgan this the comment right here! NBA fans be dumb as hell
Relative to their competition, yes. All time? There's a debate
@@CWZimba there are people to this day who say that Kevin Durant’s warriors rings don’t count because of how outrageous and unfair it was for him to play with them. No other all time team is remembered in that light to the degree that they are
@@patrick05Morgan in fairness it's aimed specifically at Kevin for joining a 73 win team. Steph, klay and draymond are openly acknowledged for having 4 ships
@@CWZimba you’d be surprised how many people target Steph curry and call his championships fraudulent, yet almost every single all time great had great help as well.
Low said Kyrie like that's sum light lol
Both you and green keep mixing and matching players from different years. Bogut wasn’t on the 2017 warriors.
Here’s how the 17 gsw vs 01 lakers would really go down.
Curry, thompson, Durant would all be shooting about 42+% from 3 because they’ll eat on DHO’s, p&r’s, and pin downs because shaq could not and would not ever leave the basket defensively. That’s wide open 3’s all game for 3 of the 15 best shooters ever all in their peaks. They’d also be eating in transition offensively with curry and thompson spreading the lakers to the 3 point line with Durant, igoudala or Livingston handling and getting clear paths to the basket. They’ll always have the advantage because shaq was so lazy and slow to get back. If the lakers decided to switch instead of giving up open shots all game, Durant would just cook smaller guys like fisher in the mid range all game, and curry would cook bigger slower guys like grant and fox on the perimeter.
Defensively, GS will just double shaq with ZAZA on him and KD, green or igoudala doubling down. That’s a big body and then another wing with extremely long arms. Other 3 GSW defenders zone up on the lakers shooters and can recover easily when shaq passes out. They’ll also have pachulia, McGee and west use up all 15 of their available fouls through out the game by hacking shaq where he’ll then shoot about 48% from the line.
They’ll also have Durant, thompson and igoudala taking turns on Bryant. Kerr will instruct them all to say certain things to feed into his ego and have him ruin the lakers offense by forcing up BS shots and go into iso/1 on 1 shot jacking mode. Those 3 guys will stay fresh by taking turns on him and Bryant will shoot about 40% from the field, take a bunch of heavily contested long 2’s, and ruin LA’s chances by trying to play hero ball instead of getting the ball to shaq on the block.
Lakers probably get 2 games. Warriors in 6.
That is a pretty biased assessment.
I think a lot is sensible about how the Warriors play, but let’s not pretend anybody is guarding Shaq. And even if they are doubling and forcing a pass out, he’s a good passer. His team largely is not as universally skilled/talented as the Warriors, but this have guys who hit their shots.
I think it’s fair to say that the Warriors have the advantage based on better offense
@@Jonathan-A.C. what did I say that was biased?
I ever said anybody on their team could guard shaq. I said they’d use their 3 big bodies and 3 long wings to double him every time so that he’d have to pass out. If he didn’t pass out then he’d likely have to commit an offensive foul. I also said they’d have their guys use 15+ fouls in order to send shaq to the line rather than having him play 1 on 1, and shaq was obviously a terrible FT shooter. I never said he wasn’t a good passer, but the warriors other 3 defenders would easily zone up on the lakers 4 other players, especially with a non 3pt shooter like grant or guys who shot 32% and 31% from 3 in the playoffs like Bryant and fox. Once O’Neal passes out to the perimeter, golden state would easily rotate back and recover to stop a potential drive, or force fox or Bryant into a heavily contested 3. It would be different if fox and Bryant were 38% 3pt shooters and GS couldn’t afford to leave them open, or if GS didn’t have the defensive personnel to recover after a double team, but they did. I still think the lakers would get a game or 2, so I’m not disrespecting them.
@@tonj02
Well I think even then, it’s underrated Shaq’s pure physical dominance, although that’s not to say he didn’t throw the elbows pretty often. I also think it’s underrating his passing ability, because at good passer will have a solid chance to reach other teammates if they themselves. And even if it’s gonna be pressure on the perimeter, I’m sure they’d sub in the Lakers who can shoot better (which I still think would result in better Warriors offense, but it’s not from them being directly countered).
Lol ar 2001 lakers warriors wouldn't even get 1
Bro wrote a whole story ain nobody reading this
Draymond thinking him being on the floor stops Shaq has me crying.
Bro stretching the hell out of his defensive impact 😂
He didn't say that
@@neoblade8164 so you didn’t watch the video 😂
@@neoblade8164he said that within 1 minute of the video😭
Bulls did it and they had a worse interior defense than warriors.. warriors in 6
Ego for ego
Also dray picked the 2015 team never even mentioned KD
Low really showing he a lakers fan in this vid
The riding is insane, it’s starting to get annoying. He wasn’t like this a couple of years ago
He has a point tho, who’s stopping Shaq 🤣🤣
@@King_Boo_5shaq isn’t beating a team by himself. who’s stopping curry, klay and kd? curry is either getting open threes off of drop in p&r or cooking any unswitchable big one on one. the warriors made small ball effective because when every player can dribble and shoot switchability becomes one of the most important traits in a defender.
@@King_Boo_5 who gonna stop Curry, or KD? Or Klay? And if we’re talking about the old warriors Draymond can shoot too.
I'm pretty sure Draymond Green is the same listed height and weight as Rick Fox 😂
The warriors win
@@joshr6540 not a chance 😂
@@illWillienumber31 the warriors without kd lakers would win but with kd warriors in 6
@@joshr6540warriors with KD were even weaker at center. Warriors lose either way.
@@illWillienumber31 bruh it don’t matter about shaq when your not gonna be able to guard kd and Steph from getting 3s
11:15 “to be objective here”
Then proceeds to lie and say that curry couldn’t create his own shot lmao
Go look at the numbers, go look at the games with your eyes and you’ll see curry be one of if not the best shot creator in the league back then. This lie you keep telling that he couldn’t create his own shot until a few years ago is completely fabricated.
The bias is so noticeable like he didnt even try to hide it.
Fax, curry is a 6’2 non-athletic guard that routinely has averaged 30 while being guarded more intensely then arguably any other perimeter player ever, yet he somehow “wasn’t an elite shot creator.”
Its just narratives from the 16 finals where his knee was clearly compromised.
Neither of those teams would be able to guard each other so it would come down to who is gonna out offense the other, and if its the 2017 version of the warriors man i still got them😭. Kd steph and klays shooting and offense is crazy, shaq would dominate and kobe would be stressing klay and iggy out tho. Shaq would be the best player in the series but idk thay 2017 warriors team was cheating man
Shaq has never not played drop coverage on a screen. Steph, Klay and Kd are killing them off screens all game
The Warriors will be in easy foul trouble just trying to stop Shaq alone.
Warriors will have to make their 3s at superhuman efficiency to even offset Shaq's 2s. Nobody on that Warriors squad can defend 01 Shaq alone.
@@y2shuproblem Tf you mean they have to make it at superhuman efficiency? It’s Steph, Klay and KD 😂😂😂. They will
@@JJuiicceee are they making them at 💯%
@@y2shuproblem you probably started watching nba in 2020 but before that time the 3 best players of that geneation were lebron james, steph curry and kevin durant insanely talented players unstoppable on offense and two of them joined forces
Bro cannot even guard Gianni’s and he’s talking about Shaq 😭💀
This isn’t prime draymond.. no big dominated prime draymond. Boogie, AD, Duncan, Lamarcus.. none of them.. they not shaq but he’d do a number on him like barkley and Rodman did.. draymond is an all time defender
@@OffTopicKamah He is a top 5 defender of his generation. But he would get cooked by Shaq and Giannis in a playoff series. He's too small and not strong enough to guard them. Green is 6'5 with a decent wings span.
Draymond is good at guarding wings, and he's lucky that what the 2010s were about. He's not doing nothing with any real Center.
@@OffTopicKamahyou brought up Duncan as if he not out his prime when they played
@@OffTopicKamahi hope you re trolling 😂😂
Claiming that Rick fox and Derek fisher would consistently make enough threes to offset Klay and Curry is wild. The Warriors’ offense is simply to overwhelming and they win the series.
I honestly think the Warriors should do what teams back then did with Shaq. You throw your biggest guy at him and slow his walk into the restricted area. You could also double on the catch and try to force Shaq to pass. While yes, they had quality shooters, the Warriors are living with Robert Horry and Rick Fox taking 10 3pt shots per game. Kobe will likely get his 25 to 30 also. On the other end, I worry about the Lakers' inability to switch on offball screens. Even modern teams with faster, longer defenders struggle with switching against the prime Warriors. Durant's production will likely match Kobe's and Curry will be taking wide open 3pt shots on the drop coverage, not mid range, because they can always set the screen higher. Shaq is gonna get exposed just like Rudy if they start forcing switches when Fisher can't get around the screens fast enough. The Warriors will win the series because the Lakers are the ideal of a dated strategy that has clear flaws relative to modern strategies. The talent of Kobe and Shaq will have to carry them, and I don't know if that's reliable given the trouble they will have defensively.
The warriors if we're being honest would probably be the best defense they've faced when you consider how good the warriors defense is with how difficult it is to guard offenses today because of the spacing and talent level.
Iggy would be at the top of best defender guarding kobe, and dray would be near the top of best help defender, and he also has switch ability.
And that's their defense. Steph shoots comfortably from 40 and Durant and klay from 30. That is so gross
@@thetrib1 2017 gsw best team I ever seen thats when all were in there prime and kd just came to win a ring with no ego. Most supertstasr play heliocentric steph and kd played in the system which made it so deadly.
If you think you can go over steph screens in drop at 30 ft you crazy. He’s taking one big dribble to the line and pulling. He shoots that at 40%+ easily. That’s a 120 offensive rating. Then you have KD and Klay spotting up if you send help. No one has ever been able to slow Steph below 70% ts without switching or doubling.
Draymond literally said he couldn’t stop Shaq. His point was about disruption and giving a different set of issues and challenges. Se have to go for what we know. Now as for rules we can do a hybrid model of the rules, but the teams essentially use their normal rotations and modifications to gameplan. This is not rocket science and it’s not all about analytics. Them Lakers would get Killed! That 17 team functions alot like that Sacramento team Lakers struggled with and our group was superior in all aspects outside of C webb of course. We would torch they ass
Ego exchange be like😂
We have to be real about how the warriors play style is. It’s demoralizing to see guys shooting from 30 feet plus. Running around the entire game and not missing a beat. They literally don’t stop moving. Then they got a scoring machine in KD who has never been seen before. And we’re forgetting about Demarcus Cousins being on their team at one point, along with Draymond. Honestly the team is just to good. Then we’re forgetting the crowd factor of the playoff atmosphere. The warriors go on incredible runs and make shots that just rip your heart out. Good defense and all and he still makes it. That’s just hard to play against haven’t even went over bench players either.. It’ll be a tough series but I’m thinking 6 games at best out of respect for Kobe and Shaq.
We have to take the nostalgia glasses off. The 2017 Warriors are not losing to the 01 Lakers or any other team. Acting like Javalenane Bogut aren’t genuine 7 foot bigs that are certainly on the level of most bigs of that era is crazy. Shaq isn’t an auto-win button, we saw Shaq almost get swept by a Jazz team that started Gregg Ostertag in 1997. We saw them actually sweep them in 1998 where Van Exel and Eddie Jones were Allstars and Horry was already on the team, already Big shot Bob with Finals experience next to Hakeem in Houston. Yes they got significantly better-but you’re not stopping the Warriors. The only team that even had a remote shot in their run did it by hitting 1000 threes.
"Who's guarding Kobe?"
"Klay"
I started crying😂😂
Or Iggy. Two all defensive players. Team has 3 all defensive players
Who's guarding KD?
@@andrewbradley3305 the same dude that got final mvp for "guarding" lebron😂😂
What's funny about it? Prime klay was a very good defender. I know nobody is stopping kobe but nether are they going to stop Klay, KD, and Curry at the same time.. cause even if you fully lock one of them.. you'll do nothing but create more opportunities for the others
I hate how people are forgetting how good of a defender prime klay was.
Let’s not forget shaq got swept 5 different times in his career before he won his first chip….
94 vs Indiana 0-3
95 vs Houston 0-4
96 vs Chicago 0-4
98 vs Utah 0-4
99 vs Spurs 0-4
The one that stands out for me would b 96 bulls…
A top tier defensive team but in terms of bigs they had Rodman at the 4 and Luc Longley…. That’s practically the same as Draymond and Bogut/Zaza/Javele.. in terms of bigs to defend shaq
Thank you
Shaq cooked Ben Wallace in his prime and made him look like a child. Draymond would die after getting dunked on once by shaq.
Cooked is big words. Ben Wallace gave Shaq issues. That's why he beat him in the finals
Cooked him let they got wrecked by 04 pistons when they had 0 excuses to lose???? Stfu LOL
@@MWKDaGoatno they lost because of Kobe and Malone. Shaq performed well
Shaq averaged 27/10 on 62% ts in the 04 finals lol. they didn’t lose because of him
Shaq cooked Ben Wallace. Who won that series though?
IMO, Dubs in 6. Even though Shaq would be the best player on that court and he probably would average about 34 and 12 and Kobe would get his, they would be trading 2s with the best 3pt shooting team of all time. Too much firepower, they wouldn't be able to score enough to keep up.
Facts. Draymond just used horrible examples to prove why they would win
@@The_JbeastKobe could only guard one person too, and u for damn sure can't double anybody lmao
@@1luvjaylenklay would be in hell tryna guard a young Kobe 😹😭
@@Hatedvariiget Iggy to guard him instead then
@@01chohan 😭
11:22 wtf you say about curry ??? curry in 2016-2019 when he had KD was STRUGGLING to create his own shots ??? okay LOW 😂
Dray got it backwards. In this matchup you lock up everyone else and if Shaq alone beats you he beats you
The only problem with this is that you can't lock up Kobe. So they have to game plan with the objective of slowing down Shaq and see where it takes them.
The 04 Pistons did a great job managing Kobe, but the 2017 Warriors aren't thr 04 Pistons.
@@conchobar2017 warriors have more than enough perimeter presence. Durant, Klay, Iggy and Dray too if they let Shaq eat.
Exactly my point. People are nostalgic and don't realize Shaq built his own mythology by being the most present in the media. Orlando's Shaq didn't magically became dominant Lakers Shaq: he was powerful but slower, he just had better back-up, and how many teams knew how to keep Shaq in line? Half of them, and I'm not speaking of hack a shaq. Better centers, good PFs could. And for teams who couldn't, many could stop the pass before Shaq got the ball. This whole debate is moot because of two points:
1- former player NBA analysts built a narrative around their playing importance
2- you can't do like coaching wouldn't count and make a 1 on 1 list.
Bro they were shooting 3 threes a game do not talk about the percentage of those laker guys 😂😂
Thank youuuu
In today's era Lakers would be at the Freethrow line way more than 2024 Lakers due to less threes and more drives.
Less threes, more freethrows like a 1960s era game. Look at how 2024 Lakers' less threes affecting their freethrow percentage. At today's pacing, 2001 Lakers would do that to a greater degree
@@VanessaWong-yi5pe u play basketball 👀
Legend is forgetting who Draymond setting up screens for
exactly😭😭he tlkn bout “dray cnt set more physical screens” like curry dnt need just alil aspace
@@prollyhigh9335 Those guys are gonna be lost with Steph's off ball movement, he wont even need that many screens
Kd,curry,draymond,klay,iggy is washing them lol
Facts, Warriors play WAY TOO fast. Three players that can go for 40+ any given night. More versatile defenders, and an offensive scheme that’s more free flowing. 5 shooters with the death line up. Dubs in 5 or six.
@@TheBoiRusty prime kd was an elite defender in his prime people forget
“Klay struggling to stay in front of kyrie” bro what, who can?🤣
Bruh the disrespect for Klays defense in his prime is quite criminal
Not to poopoo on curry but he wasn’t creating his own shot is fucking crazy when did he start then
Shaq against the Nets with 0 bigs as you said averaged 36 on 64% True shooting. For the entire 2017 playoff run Steph averaged 66% TS and KD averaged 68% TS. Both of them were more efficient than all time Shaq in the Finals against BBQ chicken. Warriors win, straight up.
Edit: also the Warriors had a lower defensive rating that season than the Lakers had. A lower defensive rating in 2017 than a team in 2001. Come on now
It would be lakers in 5, and thats generous. Lakers dominated that playoff for a reason
Yes, because no team in that era had player that could score efficiently.
I never thought I’d see the day where the Warriors are this disrespected, let alone less than a decade after the dynasty started
These comments salvage it for me . I remember when the ‘17 Warriors were in comparison to the ‘96 Bulls, now a convo against the ‘01 Lakers sounds like impossible odds 😂! Recency bias at its finest
I thinko our(Warriors fan speaking) best bet would be to try and do what the Pistons did in 04. Let Shaq get his and go balls out trying to stop Kobe and trust that the other guys wouldn’t knock down enough 3s to counter our production at the other end as well as do what Dray said out Shaq constant action and never let him rest to get him tired and in foul trouble. There’s a lot of realities where the Lakers win but I’m going to wit the 2017 Dubs more times than not. Too much fire power on our side.
Bringing up Ben Wallace helps his point cuz they lost even though he was dominating Ben (yes IK Kobe was trolling )
If its 2017 warriors then they are winning in 6 imo. Shaq will get his but when they are forcing shaq to move and be active while still hitting shots with kd curry,or klay not to mention they have the better bench as well.Then for defense you arent stopping shaq but Kobe will have Iggy,klay,and Kd trying to stop him while doubling with curry or dray playing passing lanes.
Draymond said bogut which cancels out any kd warriors teams
That 2016 team is getting smoked out
@@tj2nasty4ya83he also said McGee and west who were on the 2017 team but not the 2016 team
@@tonj02 draymond don't kno what yr he wanna talk about. All ik is he never said kd name
😂
Draymond didnt seem to be talking about the 2nd or 3rd championship team. i think he was referring to the 1st
Shaq saying he’s just gonna hard foul curry and klay every time like they aren’t one of the 2 best free throw shooters of all time 😭
Modern day nba fans don't understand physicality and how much shaq truly was unstoppable.
Agreed, shaq would outmuscle the warriors entire starting 5 and then some, but they would just double him is their "answer"
What do you mean unstoppable? His avg numbers weren't much higher than other players. If he was "unstoppable" he'd average 50 but he didn't.
called build awall like how they do giannis
@@albinbergvall9112shaq from 1998-2002 was unstoppable. Also adding the context that the 2000s were the most defensive slowest paced era in history. Yes, Shaq was unstoppable
@@albinbergvall9112accounting for pacing, Shaq would average near 40 in an NBA playoffs today. Maybe 50 in an NBA finals.
If you dont want to account for pacing, Luka Doncic is better than Lebron James ever was due to stats and numbers
6:45 Actually the math is kinda mathing. Hypothetically lets just say the Lakers all shot only 100 2s at 55% and GS shot 100 only 3s at 37% then He would win by 1. But this just hypotheticals not including the other factors in the game.
00-02 Shaq is yamming on Draymond and Bogut like Chris Dudley, 40/20 average Finals MVP, Klay not locking Kobe, Fisher can bother Curry enough, Durant would have to go nuclear on Kobe, Horry, and Fox. Warriors get hot and steal 1, gentlemen's sweep.
I disagree it’ll be tougher lakers would have to win in 6 but I’m thinking GS in 7
Fisher would get bitched by Curry you are fcking tripping. Curry dropping 50 on his head on single coverage. They gonna have to double Curry and that means open shots for GSW
shaqs averaging 40 and 20, and the warriors are still winning in 5. rick fox on kd 😭
@@crystalizedExposed Rick fox can’t guard KD and d fish can’t hold curry Klay can’t guard Kobe but Kobe won’t give him 40. Also GS bench is wayyy too deep.
@@crystalizedExposed Didn't you hear LOW's breakdown? Shaq and Kobe had such a high true shooting percentage, unless Warriors shot their best, they couldn't match LA. #8 Kobe absolutely dogging Curry, and had the athleticism to stay with Durant on switches. Horry was 6'10", Fox was quick and 6'7" to at least make KD work.
3:44 “Draymond stop.”😭😭😭
The only problem I have with this is that it's assuming that the only way Steph can get off a shot is when Draymond sets a screen. That's just one way. Steph can move off ball and get open. He can straight up mix anyone in front of him to get to his floaters or stepbacks. There's multiple ways he can hurt you.
Exactly. Steph was legit a top 5 player in the league. His handle is elite, he is efficient everywhere
@@thetrib1 he was top 2 lol... respectfully
I think you put kd in front of shaq and bogut behind. You're not going to stop him, to just need to make the entry as difficult as possible. Try to encourage kobe to shoot 3s, otherwise he cooking klay too. Defensively is where you get the Lakers in trouble. Draymond runs the offense from the top, and make bogut set screens. This brings shaq up, or he's on KD getting cooked. Keep running them too, because when shaq goes out, the Lakers are vulnerable. Kobe can't guard them all.
40% from 3 is 60% from 2s. Even if Kobe and shaq go insane and go above and beyond what they normally do curry (who played against teams that prepared and built to contend with the warriors perimeter threats) shot 42% from 3, Kevin Durant shot 44%, and Klay 39% from 3. Since you pointed out how shaq would do better against a team who didn’t have personnel to guard shaq, I think it is fair to say that the warriors would have a considerable and larger increase in their production compared to the lakers production. 44% from 3 is equivalent to 66% from the field which is considerably less sustainable. Also saying Robert Horry shot 36.2% from 3 in 2001 which is basically below average to today’s game. Basically warriors would not be able to stop shaq and Kobe, they would definitely get their buckets, but the warriors are just offensively better than them. If Shaq and Kobe do not produce 66% fg% every single game, warriors will simply outpace them.
I remember that 01 run vividly. Simply because I hated the lakers and wanted them to lose so bad.
It’s was BFish, BShaw, Horry and RFox that were all knock down. If you collapsed the paint on Kobe, he kicked it out- boom, 3. You double or triple Shaq and he kicked it out, boom 3. Grant was money from the mid range. Them dudes weren’t missing and they ran through quality competition in 01 in route to the finals and it was just flat out crazy.
They had a winning streak if I’m not mistaken that started like 2 or 3 weeks before the playoffs even began. Which was just flat out nuts.
i like how he ONLY talked about Klay playing defense like he doesnt shoot the ball😂. and gone say steph wasnt a shot creator but averaged 28/6/6 that playoff run and 27/9/8 in the finals 🤦🏾♂️
Ngl curry coming off a green screen is and has been op for a min I give green that he do set so hard ahh screens
Did Shaq just suggest playing a drop against the greatest shooter ever? Even if it’s not 3s Steph curry might be able to keep up with Shaq layups efficiency off of straight free throw line jumpers. Once the lakers realize that and send help that’s when you get people like klay and kd involved and they start making threes. Also I don’t think people understand that Shaq can’t play the whole game especially with the amount he would have to move to guard the warriors motion offense. And if he does play the whole game then by game 3 max he’s completely tired and now Kobe is spending time on the floor by himself and Kobe isn’t anywhere near enough to compete with that warriors team. Also I didn’t even mention the fact that the lakers don’t have enough great perimeter defenders to have a great defender on BOTH klay and kd. Klay didn’t have to show it, but klay is a legitimate scoring option that can go for 30 any given night when you put a weak defender on him. With all due respect I think that the lakers pull the first two, but from there the warriors sweep. Overall warriors in 6
Asking d fish and shaw to chase steph and klay and be the offense is crazy warriors in 5😂😂
I swear to god, Shaq loves these hypotheticals because he can sit there stroking himself the entire conversation. That being said, Shaq is definitely gonna devour their defense.
Just to add to your point about the efficiency difference. I would look at the 7 game series that Golden State had against the rockets as a better indicator of how they would perform against the Lakers. KD had a 59% TS and Steph had a 57% TS. That's not efficient enough to stop Kobe and Shaq.
bro warriors destroys them
The lakers definitely cant stop klay, steph AND KD they getting their asses fried
Lmfao
5:21 Adam Silver better be checking this..
Funny that Shaq wants to gift the greatest free throw shooter in history extra points by intentionally fouling him on drives instead of playing actual defense.
What’s so funny is that LOW brings up KD but Draymond isn’t even talking about that team cuz Bogut wasn’t even on that team. He was in 2019 but Bogut wouldn’t be back line in that scenario it’ll be Boogie (if everyone’s healthy) other than that Bogut was never on a team when KD was on it so KD isn’t even on the team that he’s referencing😂😂
The Warriors Offensive Rating stat was achieved in an era when no one really plays defense. That wasn't the case for the Lakers.
All Draymond screens are illegal
I think it depends on hot steph and klay are during the series. If they have 2016 steph and game 6 klay throughout the whole series then they could have a chance.
Draymond is actually goated, also, if this was 2015 shaq, javale would’ve gotten violated😂
all i know is that if it's 16 gsw vs 01 lakers than it's a seven game heater but warriors pull it out. it's pure hypothetical but cmon that warriors team wouldnt be fair in any time period
saying shaq is clear and FAR the best player when PRIME steph and KD are playing together is lakers bias at its finest
I think we’re all forgetting one huge factor… the coaching… I’m taking Phill Jackson over Steve Kerr everyday of the week
Steve Kerr having played Shaq, I would do the reverse choice, any hour of the day
As soon as he said JaVale…. BBQ CHICKEN ALERT!!
“YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GREAT TIM DUNCAN WAS” 4:52
You said objectively this and that, but my friend imo… 2001 v. 2017
Let’s break it down.
GS Starters: Steph, Klay, KD, Dray, Zaza
Bench: Iggy, Ian Clark, Javale McGee, Shaun Livingston, David West
LAL Starters: Derek, Kobe, Fox, Horace, Shaq
Bench: Horry, Shaw, Lue, Harper(Hurt), Deveon George
Steph v. Fisher is = Zaza v. Shaq(to a degree 😂)
KD v. Fox, Horry is ≠ Kobe v. Klay(all-league perimeter defender at this time).
GS bench were 5 rotation players v. LA bench was rotating 2 maybe 3 on a good night. Give the nod to GS bench overall just better players.
GS points to victory:
1. Put Shaq in nearly every P&R action. Pulling Shaq from the paint, tiring him out = layups from back screens, down screens, brush screens etc.
2. Shadow Kobe, try and force Kobe to go 1v1 more and lead into trap zones. Allowing late shot clock heaves.
3. Xfactor is once the Death line up is in game, Shaq must be manipulated in every action forcing him to come up in P&R once again, in a more run and gun playstyle. Potential blowout.
LAL points to victory:
1. Shaq must involve his team early, being aggressive early could potentially hurt the TEAM. DFish, Kobe, Fox must knockdown 3pointers at a good clip to open the flood gates.
2. Kobe must be ultra aggressive at the rim, not settling for jumpers often. By making GS commit, Kobe then could kick to the shooters or even lobs to Shaq behind defense.
3. Shooters have to shoot more and off the bench. Horry, BShaw, Isaiah Rider must be productive in order for LAL to win comfortably.
If it comes down to how KD (the 2x finals MVP on that Warriors team) performs, the answer should be clear lol
Never heard someone faulting a player for not being able to stay infront of Kyrie. Especially Cavs Kyrie.
Would genuinely just like to hear Low’s thoughts on making some
bracket of the greatest teams of all time. Don’t think the result is some revelation (2001 Lakers or 2017 Warriors lol) but would really be interested in hearing him breakdown match ups like 1986 Celtics vs 1996 Bulls or 2013 (?) Miami and stuff
Also with the post moves is not that ppl aren’t good at them now is that it doesn’t make as much since to practice that because that style typically slows the offense down that’s why pace went up
The way they think that KD Steph and klay wouldn't have had 140 points between all 3. Stop it. Injury was the only thing that stopped the warriors
That team could never handle Durant, Curry, and Klay. This idea that they would try to stop Shaq is silly. Let him eat and force Kobe to take difficult shots. There is no one on those teams that can slow down Curry or Durant. And Klay would play great defense on Kobe. Basketball evolves and with the Lakers running the triangle, their offense is built around creating in the midrange and post. I have no doubt the Lakers could take a game or even two through Shaq bullying the Warriors and Kobe getting hot. But when you have Durant, Klay, and Curry pulling guys out to 27 feet, the Lakers would inevitably fall apart, lose in the fast break, and they wouldn't score enough.
I keep 7 to 10 “relax from the world” subscription. Think I’ll unsubscribe from Gilbert and give it to this channel. Good job bro.👍🏿
never brought up pace shaq would be gassed by the 3rd quarter with the warriors pace and pick and roll action that they're gonna put him every play
Shaq shot .555 in the playoffs in 2000-2001 (against Dale Davis 6’11 230, will Purdue 7ft 240, arv sabonis 7-3 279, vlade 7’1 243, bunch of 6’10 guys max weight 265, and last series Matt Grier 7ft 243, Tod maccolluch 7ft 280. Mutumbo 7’2 245)
Kd shot .556 fg while also adding
3s and not missing fts
Warriors have 3 players atleast 6’11 270 or over on one team(more than any team Shaq went against that year)
So kd and shaq just cancel each other out……. So now what we got??. Kobe and Derrick fisher production vs Curry and klays……….👀
And this is not to mention Shaq would be so fckn Tired running around with Gs, who unlike that team has ever saw will be 3 40%+ volume 3pt shooters with 2 others who are consistently picking n trying to force switches.
Game is going to 7 and if they played each other 5 series I wouldn’t be surprised is gs wins 3. Just to seem less having a prime klay and a prime kd which are the only 2 players in history where they would fit on any team and scheme…. And they just so happened to link
I think the series could go either way it also depends on what era of reffing they’d be in.. 2000s era was a lot tougher than todays day imo & I think hand checking was still around for the 01 squad right? & let’s not act like kyrie ain’t a tougher ball handler than young Kobe lol Kobe woulda still got buckets but I think the way Kobe got his buckets is the style that klay had a better time against.. & klay was a very competent two way player back then.. but idk it’s a great what if I think it could go either way fr draymonds gameplan wasn’t the smartest one tbh but I’m sure Steve Kerr would have a better idea on what to do lol
this shit is absurd. i don't even know how people entertain this. modern teams play the game so much better than those early 2000s teams. this isn't a pageant where we are glazing over the bodies and physicality of men. it's a contest of which team scores more. the 2001 lakers had no switchability because the league had never seen an offense that was active enough to require switching to keep up with. the laker's bigs only every knew drop coverage. shaq could average 40 but he'd give it right back trying to defend in drop coverage and the funny thing is it would actually be draymond murdering him with DHOs to steph, klay and kd. shaq would have absolute zero impact on defensive fast breaks when he's running behind all 9 players. i'm pretty sure even the 2018 rockets or even a team like the 2023 kings would fucking sweep the 2001 lakers. the warriors played at a pace 8.5 possessions per game and shot a true shooting 5% higher than the lakers. you guys think andrew bogut(who wasn't even on the 2017 team) fouling out is a death knell for the warriors? maybe everyone either forgot or was completely unaware that the warriors needed to bench him against the cavs in 2015 and then iguodala was given all the credit for draymond sliding to center, changing the series and winning 3 straight to finish the cavs. just as zaza or bogut or whoever could foul out, so could kobe by trying to aggressively defend deep 3s and splits actions. the lakers would be run through more screens, defend more fast breaks and fast break 3's, and defend more deep and off-the dribble 3's and DHOs than they'd ever thought imaginable. this would be a slaughter. you'd have to be a pure ball watcher or someone with agenda not to see or admit it.
i forgot to mention that all of kobe and the laker's inefficient shots mean EVEN MORE fast break opportunities for the warriors that the lakers and their oversized bigs wouldn't be able to defend. this is why even a team like the 2023 kings would destroy them. this "debate" is laughable.
This could go either way. Both teams have unique advantages in Shaq and Steph that they can exploit, but the other team has another great offensive option and great role players to boot. The 01 Lakers and the 96 Bulls are the only teams I can see the Warriors having trouble with.
Would love to see you cover more of these what if matchups
Bruh, the 02 nets are nowhere near the freaking 2017 warriors. Not even close. Cannot compare. If anything, you need to compare to the Sacramento kings, who ran a higher paced offense and used frontcourt playmaking from players like Chris Webber and Vlade Divac, as well as high end stretch forwards like Peja and Hedo. In that scenario, shaq only shot 53% from the field, and if it weren't for the refs literally cheating, the kings win the series in 6.
2017 Wariors were a team with all players in there prime steph and kd were already mvps ccouple years before. Klay was prime klay and draymond was prime draymond. Kobe was about to enter his prime shaq was in his prime. wariors would destroy them: lebj and kyrie had no chance against this juggernaut of a team
Offensively that lakers team only had Shaq and Kobe, even if the both dropped 40 that’s not enough offense to keep up with Steph Klay and KD. And shaq was a great paint defender but would be useless out in the pnr.
But if shaq said he would beat Denver or jokic low would make a 6 hour video on why shaq couldn't guard jokic nd why that system is a too advance offense for shaq
We all know Shaq gone average 50. Problem is most of the games will be over by the 3rd quarter when GS goes on their signature avalanche. Just not enough fire power but trust they will happily live with Shaq getting layups every possession. And the lakers got some shooters but you’d need all of them to be able to take an make a bunch of 3s to keep up with GS.
Everyone knows the warriors would get smoked
I hear everybody saying but there's curry and Katie that's all y'all are talking about Jeff getting Klay Thompson was nice not only that who is a very big third option because if Shinobi gonna get theirs who's the third guy is going to follow up and get theirs to offset Klay Thompson Lakers don't have anyonethen we're talking about rest gonna be a point where maybe shack and Colby's not on the floor together and who's gonna be the guy that's gonna be able to compete with the Warriors bench by the best bench that we've ever seen from 2015 to 2019 or 18
Loving the consistent uploads
2001 Lakers I think would win more often than not for a few reasons. Either team could win.
My thought process being them winning is this:
1. I think they would have an easier time making the warriors play at their pace because they have Shaq on the floor and the game has to slow down when he’s out there given the attention he requires.
2. The lakers have enough perimeter defenders to go around that would make it tuff at times for Steph KD and Klay between Kobe Fisher Fox Horry Harper and Lue In this situation I think Phil would more than likely go with a smaller line up at times running Grant at the back up 5 and starting Rob at the 4.
3.Given this Kobe in the early part of his defensive Peak when he was more energetic I’d probably have him check Steph in the most critical moments and Fish on Klay. Honestly either way I don’t think it necessarily matters but I like Kobe against quicker guards over Fish but like I said they’ll guard both. Living KD getting his over Fox Horry Harper(he could guard 1-3 even at his older age I’d probably have him help on KD and let Lue help Fish and Kobe) or whoever is guarding him. My primary focus is to try to neutralize the splash brothers as much as possible.
4. Kobe and Shaq 2 man game with both of them being 2 of best play makers in the league at creating for themselves, each other and open shots for everybody else is something I think that is a lot more difficult to deal with given the Warriors personnel. They are elite at the right spots on offense to exploit the warriors defense and that’s at getting easy points in the paint while being able to knock down open shots. I think the warriors have less answers and bodies to throw at Shaq and Kobe than the other way around . They could exploit the disadvantage of whoever is guarding Shaq and let him pick apart the defense from the block or Use Kobe on the perimeter create and breakdown the defense. I watched Klay guard 34 year old Kobe in his defensive peak and it wasn’t pretty. He’s not doing any better vs 22 year old Kobe. In the event that Steph gets switched onto him I don’t need to say much about that.
5. I do think KD will have a lot of success given that I think the focus would be to stop Steph and Klay living with what KD gives you. We’ve seen much worse teams go 7 games with this warriors team. I think that lakers team would adjust really well to this era.
In my opinion sure, Lakers are going to slow down their game just like teams did against GS. But the Lakers cannot slow down the Warriors.
The Lakers have good defenders for an era that was "just stare at the ball and just play defense if your man gets the ball in ISO". Against GS they have to play every possesion continusly running around screens and deciding if they have to switch, double, hedge, run over or under the screen.
Playing defense in 04 is not the same as playing defense in 2017.
Sure Kobe can guard Steph in a 1v1, good luck running around screens all day and still be expected to score 30 and do it shooting over 44% from the field like he used to.
Kobe can create for himself, you cant lock him down. But is very easy to make him take tough shots that is going to make him very inneficient compared to Curry, KD, Klay, Iggy and Draymond.
The Warriors dont need to stop neither Kobe nor Shaq, even if they have great games GS is going to outscore them.
Those teams that were 7 games, that you think are worse teams than the Lakers are probably giving the Lakers a lot of problems.
Teams get better each era, they learn and become more efficient.
@@sergeistalin7916 There are few misconceptions in this but I respect your opinion man. Agree to disagree.
THANK YOU! I been saying for years the Warriors been setting moving screens the last 10 years! If moving screens are called the 01 Lakers would Sweep that Warriors team..
@@Woozie894Kobe didn't push off, I've never seen him do that. An Shaq did get get called for offensive fouls when he would elbow the defender when turning but he didn't do that often. The Warriors only chance is to hack a Shaq and hope he misses all his free throws tbh
This conversation goofy cause yall can even get the roster correct as far as what year of the warriors. Bogut was not there with KD 😂
17 Warriors are kinda OD, I’m not going to lie with Klay. however the 01 any other iteration of the Lakers would beat the hell out the Warriors without KD. I’m deadass.
Listen man, come on. No true competitor is gonna say "oh yeah, your team is beating my team"
No one is gonna say that.
Especially if they are champions?
Come on.
So I can't hate Draymond for saying that and having that stance, but.
I'm never gonna go against Kobe and Shaq threepeat team.
You also have to account for how Shaq forces other teams to play at his pace. You simply can’t get out in transition when the lakers never give up long rebounds. Every shot shaq throws up usually goes in and if it doesn’t it’s missed close to the basket negates transition 3’s and allows the lakers get back defensively.
Also Rick fox, fisher, and horry during that time were lock down 3 and D players that shot the 3 at a very good clip as well.
Klay was struggling to stay in front of kyrie is not a valid argument when kyrie is one of the hardest people to guard in basketball ever
After 2003 rule change allowing zone
Killed post play
You said some wild stuff this video
they have Glen Rice, B Shaw,
I’m taking the scoring versatility of the Warriors over Kobe and Shaq. Also Lakers let AI drops 48 on their head, what makes you think they’re gonna slow down prime KD, KLAY, and Curry who all can drop 40+ any given night.
The warriors whould win tho. The lakers got two players who can score 30 the warriors three. Prime KD and Steph are better than young Kobe. Shaq will dominate but so would Steph klay and KD no way there guarding all three. It’s simuler to the nuggets timberwolves series this year. One team has the best player the other team is way deeper