Elden Ring DLC: New Miquella Ending Cutscene Found in Files! (DLC CUT CONTENT)
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Now that I think about it, the DLC never explained anything that connected Miquella to Torrent despite it being shown in the promotional art...
Sad about it
what if when he began his journey to become a god in shadow realm, he summoned Melina to renounce the torrent but not just leave it in whatever place because he didn't want for torrent to be left like that, so he gave it to Melina for her to then find the new owner of torrent.
@@SimplCupprobably if torrent came from the Shadow realm/miquella summoned they from there he just left they to his sister to not abandon they completely
@@SimplCup It wouldn't make too much sense since his goal and Melina's are too different.
They would never support the ambition of the other, so I would only imagine that Miquella abandoned Torrent when he first arrived to the Realm of Shadows when Mohg "kidnapped" him and took him to Mohgwyn Palace, and Melina, potentially the Gloam-Eyed Queen and associated with death who was born in the Realm of Shadows as with Messmer, found Torrent.
Miquella is traveling the land of shadow as we are, he's abandoning parts of himself as we continue through the dlc. The biggest example of this was when he discarded his great rune as we enter mesmers keep. The "torrent" in the art is just another spectral steed, not torrent.
messmer voice change is most probably done due to lore reasons.
the trailer is portraying him as he is acting in the height of his crusade, pretending to be as menacing as possible to please his mother's wishes.
doing something he himself didn't want to do, but did only for Marika.
But, when we reach him in the game, he is already tired of pretending, broken from being abandoned in the realm of shadow.
you can hear him struggling in his voice.
It's done beautifully
Ngl sounds like a stretch.. if anything, the more confused tone of the trailer messmer fits better since it would be a true slap in his face that marika abandoned messmer only for her to opt for a graceless tarnished to be her lord.
Also, the "mongrel intruder!" is pure "pretending to be as menacing as possible" so I don't see the whole "tired of pretending". His voice DOES sound more tired, but the way he speaks in the trailer is much much more confused which fits better.
But yeah.. the delivery in the trailer is way cooler. The issue here is that the more of a fan you are, the more you have analysed the trailer, the more you'll feel the rug pulled from underneath you. My brain shorted the SECOND he said "mother" which honestly didn't feel good.
@@karayi7239 I felt like they made him sound more evil in the trailer on purpose to make us believe he's just a total evil villian. When in reality he is just another demigod who has a tragic backstory and could've been a good guy if Marika wasn't a total manipulative bitch who abandoned him
Yeah when he beats you he sounds completely defeated in spirit for having to kill again in this endless crusade. He says it like he’s tired of saying it haha
Glad someone mention this, the first thing I noticed when I faced him was his voice, he sounded so depressed...
When you die to him and hr says that libe it sound so dull and lifeless.
I think the dlc is just missing that one npc to give the closing word.
Artorias of the abyss: had the grandmother mushroom to say we are the true hero.
Crowns of the old kings: had vendrick to hand us our crown and new ending.
The ringed city: had the painter to say we helped her create a gentle new world.
Heck even the doll in bloodbourne said we did good at the end of the old hunters.
Yeah but in all of those, it implied a better world then when you arrived. But with Elden Ring, Ymir tells us that the fingers were broken from the start meaning that everything that has happened in the story has happened for no reason, and miquella dying doesn’t change anything except keep the terrible world that already exists.
or even the new ending of some sort
I was thinking atleast ansbach would have been there to say something
we have it. saint trina does say thank you in the cut content dialogue post to miquella defeat.
Even the Painted World had the crowman to wrap things up.
I like the cut dialogue. I like that the start matches Ranni’s ending cinematic, almost like that phrasing is required to ascend to godhood.
What? Ranni doesn't ascend to godhood, and miquella ALREADY has ascended to godhood.
@@Shotzeethegamer But Ranni did ascend godhood. She’s an Empyrean under the patronage of new Outer God in her ending. Pretty sure op knew Miquella is a god too
@Siureivax no the dark moon isn't a god, it's more like a tutelary deity. Ranni is absconding from the lands between with the elden ring and going to kill confront the greater will
@@Shotzeethegamershut your ass up
@@teagancombest6049 It's like people ignore everything in game and perpetuate r*tard head canon from reddit.
Miquella used to have a bow?
Gwyndolin confirmed
woah and gwyndolin was all about the dark and shadow n shit, good point haha where is velka tho?
@@Soap010Velka is Marika
Lmao they were like “hmm let’s not do gayndolin for a third time let’s be original”
It is actually Zelda riding Ganondorf
More like creepy cupid with mind control powers
Considering how much Miquella's cut dialoge resembles the speech that Ranni does in her ending and the cutscene we saw in the trailer, i feel like it could have been an alternate ending either for the DLC or for the base game that they scrapped.
I think it was first considered as an alternative ending to the base game until they swept it under the rug for DLC.
Bro at this point the dlc was a fail.
It was so good that its still awesome but boy did they mess it up.
Maybe it was cut for the exact reason that it sounds nearly identical to Ranni's
@@JoeFanik Obviously it does, because it's a vow that is part of ritual. They both would be gods that follow some other force then Greater Will and by reciting this vow they proclaim a new age under new "regime".
Maybe it was like bloodborne ending u talk to Miquella at the end and decide to do his ending or fight but they wanted everyone to suffer fighting consort radahn.
It's fascinating how it's an almost one-to-one repeat of Ranni's end dialogue, but talking about compassion and love rather than cold and distance. Basically highlighting that both have similar intents, but different paths to achieve it.
Ranni: Oh wow how original
In the original Ranni ending(Jp)Ranni says that the voyage is hers and yours alone,not of all humanity like in Miquella's voyage
@@blackvegito8440 this stupid interpretation was already debunked years ago; miyazaki also supervises the english translation and instructed ranni's va directly in her lines.
The voyage would impact all of humanity in the lands between.
@@basementreviewer788i tell people this all the time, the localization isn’t wrong! Clearly ranni says she’s removing the influence of god, so yes her and our tarnished are the ones actually LEAVING.(I know you probably already get that, most folks like the dude you replied to are just silly.)
@@k2geekd the wierd thing about her age is that the moon and stars are the foundation of her age. She says that there will be no outergods but we know that the moons and stars are deply conected with the outer gods
New cutscene starts at 2:37 and ends at 3:35 for those that don’t like talking
Bro just kept yapping for 7 full minutes
@@deondreduncan-mack8817 lmfao
Thank you
Thanks
It's a 7 minute video. What is happening to our attention span?
The Messmer dialogue sounds like different line readings from the same actor, which is standard practice.
@@padrenuestre It's the same voice actor bro
@@padrenuestre okay bro
@@fakechloe207 ┌∩┐(ಠ_ಠ)┌∩┐
@@padrenuestrehaha owned bro got owned lol
@@shmeegis466 happens, sis
They called me a madman…CURSE YOU, BAYLE
im homeless and my couple broke up with me... CUUURSEEEE YOOOUUU BAAAYLEEEE!!!
Best DLC NPC hands down...
i don't have a steady job,and my cat crap inside my shoe...CURSE YOU!!! BAYLEEE!!!!
@@erikreber3695no he’s not
best NPC in the DLC.
The cut one is better, is focused more about his main goal rather than his husband
It wouldn't be literal husbandry. I think that you just don't understand.
tbh, in the used one we see his true nature, that he's just a manipulator that uses people to become a god, whilst in the cut one he's still trying to "charm" everyone not revealing any secret goals of him, not revealing his true nature, so i prefer the one they used cus it makes more sense imo.
@@SimplCupI think that's an oversimplification of his character though it's his biggest negative
I think they cut it because his wording is very similar to rannis in the age of stars ending
@@Zramy understand that radahn is taking back shots from the miquelester
I liked Messmer better in the final version and he turned out to be my favorite character of the dlc. He basically accepted being the Devil, the one who should look after Hell; like Hades did in Greek myth, for his mother's sake, for her Land to function, the counterpart of Marika's paradise.
i was like: wait that's it? no ending cutscene, nothing?
as you said, in the trailer miquella remove the veils that cover the land of shadow, presumably returning the land of shadow to the lands between. i was expecting that kind of an exiting ending but what we got is a disappointing abrupt end.
I couldn't agree more. I kept thinking I must have missed something after the fight was over but all I could find was that lame 10 second cutscene of Miquella doing absolutely nothing
yes it was disappointing but kinda in a good way. ymir explains how the greater will abandoned the fingers and by extension the whole of the lands between. this reveals everything done in the base game did not mean anything and was without true purpose. thats a major revelation and one that leaves such empty feelings that i gotta say its masterful. still yeah i finished it and was like ".... all that fucking trouble for an almost black and white scene?" not a bad feeling tho
If they plan making a sequel or another DLC I hope they don't do that shit again.
@@azrieldalusong5042 sadly Fromsoft have stated that they have no plans after Shadow of the Erdtree to ever revisit The Lands Between in the form of a sequel or a DLC. They did hint towards the possibility of an animated show/movie though.
what if they add it in as a post release update, like with the nepheli loux questline?
Malenia and Miquella are the characters with the most cut content that would lead to a more interesting story that they gave us from both of them. you can't change My Mind
The reaally love to give us characters with a lot of potential, lore and possibilities (including St Trina) only to use them in the most boring way possible.
@@jonangulo673 Considering the suggestions I've seen from people who say that, their definition of "potential" is just wifing them and/or them turning into Gods themselves.
@@stephenjenkins7971idk if they had at least made st trina a character who has more than like 2 lines it would have been cool... Like they could have had her wake up after miquella dies or something idk. But instead she just dies... Also i wish they had let us actually talk to Miquella or something, at least become familiar with him before we have to fight him. Bc we learn so much about him and sister and their motives and shit just to kill him bc hes the final boss. It sucks... I wish we could have at least gotten a new ending
they gave us enough lore about them id like to see maybe maliketh or maybe mohgs side or hell some rykard lore
@@nikosuarez2021 i agree buuuut thats just the curse how they present the story. Most of the time its pretty nice but sometimes you shoot yourself in the foot.
I like the cut dialogue for miquella more. Reminds me of the Vaati lore dive on miquella. He talks about cut content as well, about how miquella wants all things to flourish whether good or “rotted” and how he’s considered “the god of abundance”
Miquella in Elden Ring: *Best Boi*
Miquella in Shadow of Erdtree: *Griffith wannabe who wants Radahn as his Guts*
He wants Radahn to scramble his guts
to be fair we already knew about his charming powers and people already speculated that he might've seduced Mohg with it
@@kimashitawa8113I had always thought that it was more a sort of collateral and passive power available to Miquella who clearly could infatuate said whoever he wanted to make the advent of his order easier but while he wandered under the guise of Santa Trina who meets Mohg perhaps to study the power of the formless mother to better understand the nature of the external gods in order to exorcise them and the omen ended up a victim of the power of the demigod or Miquella himself used it to obtain what he wanted
@@somebody4094 pretty sure there's lore bits pointing towards miquella using his powers to get mogh to kidnap him. Also miquella is a dude
@@darkprime6815 But how does that fit with the Haligtree, did he just let the haligtree die and doomed Malenia just to become a God?
FromSoft: "Yes this story line is perfect! Cut it."
Im pretty sure that’s a regular joke the people who work with Miyazaki say
Miyazaki Bogdanof.
They bought?
Cut it
I think they wanted to actually merge the maps at the end but couldnt due to tech limitations.
Hence why the veil is gone in that cutscene.
They would have had to record new lines for every single NPC in the game, considering people can kill Radahn and Mohg without doing anything else.
@@that_damn_kiddo should have
originally, at least according to insiders and leakers, two DLCs for Elden Ring were thought of but due to the leaks themselves and probably internal choices following these, in the end it was decided to publish everything compacted into a single expansion and probably a lot of the material was lost lost in the fusion of the two ideas and assets retained by the various projects can still be found
Old Hunters all over again
😡
@@akicauchemar7286 Yeah but Old hunters rounded up things nicely despite it. This DLC doesn't even address half of the questions from the base game and just leaves us with more.
*Cries in lack of answers because of shortened DLC*
This also explains why some things feel really like they have nothing to do there at all and why we still have so many questions
@@vegitoda4738 Old Hunters literally answers nothing either, besides the origin of the Hunter's Nightmare. SOTE answers way more questions than any DLC barring maybe the Ringed City. Fromsoft is also NEVER going to answer all questions; nor should it. Dark Souls had 3 games and plenty of things are left unanswered too.
Regarding the bow: It's possible that it could have originally be meant to reference the "Rider on the White Horse" from Revelation. The rider carries a bow, but is not seen with any arrows. He is given a crown, and he goes out to conquer.
This rider is never named, but the symbolism of a bow with no arrows seems to reference that the conqueror will rule not by warfare but by compassion (at least initially).
Perhaps Miquella was going to be similar as he wants to conquer through love (despite the hypocrisy of choosing a warmonger as his consort), but From decided that the imagery was a little too on the nose.
The bow probably radahn lion bow which is absent here.
Miquella is a golden order fundamentalism who is known for creating many amazing weapon including enchant it.
Like the miquelan knught sword.
Pulley bow and crossbow. And etc
Miquella also shown with three arms which supposed to be four but the missing one is st trina.
Knowing radahn size it would be normal to assume at certain point miquella will using a bow to support radahn
or a divine bow for his consort
*was a golden order fundementalist
Radahn was also a great archer so it may be for him, miquella isn't strong physically he always used incantations ans using a bow require a lot of strenght
@@Livan-yuruikami it could be a wedding gift, in her family it was quite common to give weapons during the wedding take the moon blade that rennala gave to radagon
@@somebody4094 true, but this thing was specific to Caria we never heard such a thing in the golden order so idk
Bro had infinite health vs Radahn 💀
I was wondering
He wasnt dying loll
Nah he just had a really good gaming chair
Modded for content purposes lmao
Messmers trailer voice was so mesmerizing, I loved it.
Miyazaki is so respectful that he published both voice actors.
I hope they do another smaller DLC that addresses the major loose ends like the gloam eyed queen, godwyn and Melina as a whole
Who knows, maybe there will be something like Elden Ring 2 some years down the road.
We need Elden Ring 2 not another DLC.
@JyotiDeka1989 oh trust me, I want a sequel just as bad as you do, but Fromsoft has a history of making standalone titles when it comes to their soulslike games.
Dark Souls is an exception to this since it was originally supposed to be standalone, but they were pushed by Sony to make sequels.
@@NathanTruby Pushed by Sony? But dark souls' publisher was bandai namco and fromsoftware jp
Also characters like malenia's blind mentor, the forrmless mother, the fell god, placidusax's god, etc. Also, rykard is heavily hinted to be still alive and has room to make a comeback. And there are a whole bunch of mentioned characters who we never see in game
Cut dialogue was cut so that we the players don't feel like assholes for killing Miquella whose intentions were genuinely good and selfless (more apparent in the cut dialogue than the normal one) compared to the Golden Order which stands on bloodshed, prejudice and subjugation.
But Miquella's whole thing is divine manipulation. Brainwashing. Good intentions, or not, you have no free will in the end in his age, as it will be stripped from you.
I really dont understand some of from's decisions when it comes to what should be cut content and what shouldnt be. Like sometimes they just straight up keep something more interesting than the final product because of... whatever reason they have
miyazaki explicitly wishes that the story is not perfectly understandable and that some dark elements remain, he most likely traces the entire story, has all the dialogue dubbed, then flips a coin and chooses what to cut to make everything as dark as possible
@@somebody4094exactly and the reason he does this in all of his games is because during his youth he would flip thru numerous books but some were beyond his reading comprehension and because he couldn’t read it properly, he had to decipher it as best as he could using the images at hand. He said he found more joy coming up with his own lore and story by filling in the gaps than he did when he found out what those books really said later on.
@@somebody4094 except Sekiro and AC6. He probably briefly lost his coin
He only does it in medieval style stories/games because the books he read were old stories in English. AC6 and Sekiro don't fit that description.
Indeed, like Kales quest line being removed when it added so much to the frenzied flame story.
Interesting theories to accompany this. Several areas appear to be combined elements of previous games DLC and thematic environments, suggesting a LOT of content cutting - hence why a variety of areas in the DLC sometimes feel oddly empty.
If Miquella’s story remained relatively unchanged, it would be pretty scary - a thousand year voyage, guided by compassion - which was discarded along with St. Trina (called love on the cross near the grace). 1000 years guided by love, headed by a god that has discarded love. Terrifying.
I dunno about discarding love....he seemed very focused on being lovy dovy to radahn
Trina isnt love, she gets you to kill yourself several times and then tells you to kill Miq because being a god is hard work boohoo
“I am ready. To embrace the whole of it.”also miq already discarded his fate (trina) in altus. Fromsoft messed this up so bad.
@@CreativeUsernameEh Carved words coalesce:
“I abandon here my love.”
~Stone Coffin Fissure Cross
You aren’t dying. You’re being granted eternal sleep. Killing you is a symbolic thing - eternal sleep is pretty much death, without the whole being forced to come back side of it. I assume From decided to handle it like that since there’s a grace 5ft away. Can’t comment on your opinion regarding what she says about Miquella, that’s your interpretation, even if I disagree. I had no issues with the story, but I really enjoy lore and hunting down the story, I know a lot of players didn’t really understand which is fair.
I like Miquella’s vow 10x more than that back stabbing Bwitch Ranni. Was hoping we could become his lord and have a new order ending for the base game
Looks like Miquella mind controlled another simp. Ranni isn’t backstabbing your choice to follow her is your own and she doesn’t make you follow her, hate her or not shes not back stabbing nor controlling. (Unless you count NBK.) Miquella would just make you his slave regardless if you like it or not.
2:40 The ending I hoped for…
The bow might have been something akin to the bewitching branch maybe instead of a grab miqulla was gonna fire branches at the player to charm them
I like the cut content much better, he actually has something to say instead of saying nothing important.
I hate how the quest for Miquella seems to be cut too 😭 I want a quest where I can side with him!!!
Hmmm... I think they changed the dialogue because it was waaaaay too close to Ranni's speech in her ending. At first I thought this was a troll video because it starts exactly the same as Ranni's speech. As to the changes in Messmer's voice it still sounds like the same actor but for the trailer they used clean audio and for the ingame they added echo and such to reflect the sound bouncing around the room.
I also for the first time noticed when the original cutscene is playing when Miquella puts his face near Radahn as he says "Yield the path to us" Radahn looks down and away... like... shame or embarrassment or disappointment. Perhaps this small gesture is meant to be another fearther in the "unwilling Radahn" theory cap.
Well spotted
radhan Is not even completely there Just his soul twisted into someone else body
I think radahn in more so looking down to stare at miquella's arms wrapped around his neck but it still likes like he might be doing it out some negative emotion
The VA for Messmer is the same. I don't think the voice being clear is the only difference, but rather the tone. In the trailer version Messmer sounds a bit sarcastic as if he's mocking the player , as for the game version he sounds more dusappointed, like he's a bit hurt
@@darkprime6815 radhan has no mind he's Just a puppet puppeted by miquella
I remember hearing these lines after someone gave me his voice files, but even still it’s very neat that he says all this :3
Listen I love the DLC. But once miyazaki said in an interview that they planned on the land of shadows being in the base game before they realized it’d be too big, it’s clear they battled with deciding what to put in the DLC they already had planned vs. what they needed to add for content to make a large expansion. Part of me wishes they spent another year in development and just did a full fledged sequel that also included some Godwyn content
Why the hell would they cut these lines. They fit with the character building they've done for Miquella up to the dlc. It showcases his desire to nurture and care for those the Golden Order discarded.
Bruh the Miquella cut stuff is a crime. Just like the cut Kale content.
Miquella is the best option for the Lands Between. Formsoft characters are never 100% moral, nor innocent, nor perfect. But Miquella is the closest thing to a good ruler that has ever been offered to the Lands Between. His methods are the most reasonable compared to the wrath, hatred, prejudice, and blood lust of all other rulers. Including us, the tarnished, we are the bad guys in this war too, our path would destroy the Lands' only hope for lasting compassionate peace.
Miquella's great rune charm is an overall positive power. The charm helps people let go of the evil within; if someone wanted revenge they can now settle for forgiveness, if someone was prejudice they can now tolerate others, and if someone had lust for blood shed they can now seek love. Miquella brought out the best version of each person, gave them love, and gave them hope.
During our fight we had the power to resist Miquella's charm and so do many other characters like Messmer. There still is a choice to reject Miquella but 99% of people will be more attracted to what he offers than what they currently have, most people will agree with Miquella, because what he offers is valuable to them. Haters try to simply this process to simple brainwashing but it is not that crude nor sinister.
Mohg wanted Miquella to bring the mother of blood dynasty, Miquella offered him something better. To assume that Mohg is innocent of kidnapping Miquella is a not necessarily. Two things can be true, at the same time, with these complex characters. Mohg was all about blood sacrifices so it's possible that he is ok with helping Miquella in this way, to be the vessel of Radahn's spirit, this is not a tragic end.
Radahn was a proud and powerful warrior. By his standards he could not simply die, he had to die in glorious battle. Miquella tried to satisfy this honor by asking Malenia to go to war with Radahn, they were both too powerful for each other, so stalemate persisted until the tarnished rose.
Miquella then sent Melina to persuade a tarnished to help in his plans. Most of the work had been done my Malenia and we come to finish off Radahn in honorable battle.
Long ago Radahn promised to be lord and consort to Miquella. The reign of Miquella has all the good aspects of the Golden Order but with out the shunning of the graceless. Miquella extends grace and blessing to all in the Lands. Radahn would find it easy to support Miquella's Order because it is just a better version of the Golden Order. His loyalty would remain. consistent.
Haters of Miquella will see these events in a sinister filter, this is unreasonable because there is a more honorable way to except what Miquella planned. Each one of these characters have good reasons to give Miquella a chance, the Charm helps but it's a positive help, not sinister.
When Miquella divulged his love, it was specifically his love of self that died. He is still clearly able to love Radahn and showing compassion to an entire kingdom clearly communicates love. Saint Trina seeks to protect Miquella from the bondage of being a deity, that is self-love. Miquella had to let go of what was good for himself to obtain the power to serve everyone in his kingdom. Clearly he has sacrificed just as much as his flowers sacrificed to obtain compassion, leading by example.
I agree mostly, but I think you're almost inventing your own fan-canon. If the game says Miquella abandoned his love, he abandoned his love. We can assume whatever Miquella is motivated by now; categorically *isn't love* . We're SUPPOSED TO feel a sense of dread about Miquella's new order specifically because what we find out he's abandoned. Like it or not, that's the take-away we're supposed to have.
But it sure is better than what Ranni's ending is, since simply the words she says about what her age is going to be like are dreadful. I don't care about what "translation issues" there were, or what "the japanese says", what it says in english is what it is. It's on FROM's team if there was a mistake, the product is what it is. They don't get as much shit as the should for fucking up their biggest storyline.
I completely agree. I feel like the reason people switched on Miquella so hard is because they feel some kind of attachment to mohg and radahn. And feel bad for them. And after all the people comparing him to Griffith, people started saying he’s the “Miquellester” “Miquella the tickla” or “Miquella the treacherous twink” which I admit are pretty funny.
This is Miquella propaganda
@@LayDownAndRotI don’t think anyone could reasonably make that claim it’s worse or good without seeing its effects. We don’t see the after effects of Ranni ending or any ending except the Frenzied flame. If we were to assume the outcome of her ending in a positive light people will struggle in bad times but will eventually get better in the end because humans have the ability to make that choice without divine intervention. Miquella is far worse than Ranni and it’s more blatant because people won’t be happy out of their free will and we don’t need to know that outcome of it to know that’s bad similar to why the Dung Eater ending is bad even if don’t see the outcome of it.
damn miquella made an alt account lmfao
At this point I'm convinced Miyazaki just cuts out shit at random to artificially make his games seem more mysterious.
Honestly people will deny this but I the souls games aren’t made with a full story in mind, the point of everything being left open is for people to decide for themselves what’s happening.
Seriously. Like especially considering you can find so much cut content in this game that fills gaps or puts things in a new perspective I always wonder why they gut the lore so badly for final releases.
@@TREVORVADER because we all talk about it. It drives comments on social media like wildfire.
yes but no.. pretty sure it was meant as two dlcs and it was smashed together. Also the dlc only had a bit over a year of development time.. remember there was no dlc plans until after the major patches finished for the base game
@@TREVORVADER They didn't gut anything; they never want to answer everything. They answer enough questions, but leave many open-ended. Do you guys just have zero idea how Fromsoft does things? This is not their first game. This is a constant thing.
They cut Jarburg and later gave it to us, who's to say they're not withholding more to polish and release later again?
now i really wish we got a choice to side with Miqullea, Ranni does basically the same thing but with Magic and I'd want to give his age a chance and see what it does. If his actions at the halig tree and his needle are any indication he would have cured his sister and possibly, POSSIBLY, done some great things. But no, go with the "Is God so evil hurr durr". *sigh*, I'm still siding with Leda to give a generous hand but this cutscene would have been so much cooler and in theme!
Miquella divested themselves of love. If they ever were truly a compassionate leader they have left that behind to seize greater power. That whole "Voyage of Compassion" crap is a lie. A distraction meant to make you hesitate. We're being bullshitted and you're buying it.
Ultimately the player is Marika's creature through and through. No matter what we do. We *cannot* break from that or the game mechanics simply don't work. We get brought back to life when we die because of Marika. We have some autonomy but the game requires us to serve her interests or lose the guidance of Grace.
Leda realizes what we are by the end and reacts accordingly. The player is the Blade of Marika, come to take Miquella's life and prevent the rise of a new god. Ranni only gets a pass because she's bailing on the world. Leaving. Avoiding power. So she gets to keep her head.
@@trustmeits610pm2 Ranni's ending seemingly kills Marika, and Ranni takes the Elden Ring to boot, so I don't see why Marika would give her a pass in that regard.
@@nightscout9979 There are strong implications that Marika is perfectly okay with that. She's down with the Frenzied Flame too. What she is *not* okay with is being imprisoned forever.
@@trustmeits610pm2 If the rise of a new god kills Marika, why would she want the Tarnished to stop Miquella? I don't think Ranni is getting a pass compared to Miquella, since both will end up killing Marika anyway.
@@nightscout9979 I'm not gonna pretend I fully understand the mind of the fictional character of Marika, alright? She is a complicated person who has done many awful things but also shown a great deal of compassion elsewhere.
Let's keep it simple. Marika's goal is this: To escape her imprisonment stalemate with Radagon. That much is certain. She doesn't care how this happens. Even if that escape is death. The only 'lose' condition for Marika is if she remains trapped.
Ranni kills Marika in her ending. She always intended to and makes no secret of this intention. So Marika is cool with it.
Miquella might not kill Marika. He might leave her locked up or find some use for her as a tool. If Marika feared his rise to godhood, she probably had a good reason. There are fates worse than death and Miquella has an inventive mind.
the cut Miquella dialogue would have been quit the ego boost for the tarnished considering Ranni only speaks those words after you have defeated the Elden Beast. It kinda draws a parallel that YOU are Miquella and Radahn's Elden Beast.
I would not be surprised if at some point in development there was some meant to be some supposed Age of Compassion ending, as this speech she gives almost exactly mirrors the one Ranni gives in the Age of the Stars ending cutscene. The description for the Circlet of Light even mentions that it would've been the basis for her mending rune. It could've been that an Age of Compassion ending was intended early on in the development and that they repurposed it for Promised Consort, Radahn before just scrapping the whole thing and recording new lines.
Quick reminder that Miquella is male.
@@porcelainpup And?
@@diegootero1686 meaning he uses he and him
@@MrTavrosNitram Nvm I just saw what he meant. It was probably a mistake, I doubt anyone thinks Miq is a she.
@@diegootero1686you sure might be surprised to say there are people who are convinced that Gwyndolin is trans
The cut version of Miquella’s line I think is better contrast between words and actions “I will bring compassion and nobody will get in my way”
WHAT IS THAT FROSTBITE WATERFOWL???
Fr wtf was that weapon art it looks nothing like star lined katana art
Tell us the truth GOE. you made the final boss
dude was hit by almost every attack
the bow is clearly gwyndolin time
Its fascinating to me that Miquella's cut cutscene has parallels to Ranni's cutscene (Age of Stars) where she says "I solemnly swear to every living being, and every living soul, now cometh the age of the stars, A thousand year voyage under the wisdom of the Moon. Here beginneth the chill night that encompasses all, reaching the great beyond." which is similar in words to Miquella's "I hereby swear. to every living being and every living soul. now comes the age of our Eden. a thousand year voyage guided by compassion, beginning here, love encompasses all" And I also wonder if maybe that cutscene where Miquella raises his hand over an unveiled Scadutree, seemingly causing it to pulse with light, might be some sort of ending or choice where The Lands Between, and The Realm of Shadow are restored to what they once were, as overlapping both maps and scaling the shadowlands a bit perfectly aligns them like puzzle pieces. I wonder if maybe there was a choice between fighting Miquella and keeping the lands separate, or if you could join his cause and reunite the realms. This would be supported by our ability to side with Leda vs the others at certain points in the game and by Miquella's claim that "No living things will be denied, no deed censured. I am ready. to embrace the whole of it"
The alternate dialogue sounds like something that would happen if you reunited Miquella with St. Trina and perhaps the other parts of himself he carved away on his journey and that'd lead to a unique ending like Ranni's.
Yeah the cut dialogue is better.
Just a thought, but maybe the bow in Miquella's hand is actually a run arc, like the one portrayed in the cutscene where Marika is holding onto the rune arcs at the Divinity Gate? And maybe if that's true, it may be an indication that they used Marika's model to develop Miquella and therefore have artifacts from that in Miquella's cutscene animation. Just wild speculation.
"Miquella is holding a bow" Miquella saw the Albanauric women and went "Aight bet, Radahn can be my wolf."
Ngl the alternate dialogue is like 10x more impactful and chilling.
The cut dialogue's parallels to Ranni's ending cutscene would've been perfect. They should've kept it.
I feel that they made the right decision with what lines to use. Radahn’s ‘hypnosis’ alone tells us everything we need to know about Miquella’s intentions. We also need to remember that Malenia’s conquest was solely to secure Radahn as a consort for Miquella. So making the end scene about Radahn and Miquella’s ‘relationship’ ties the the entire story together, starting from the first trailer released almost 5 years ago (when Malenia and Radahn clash). To me, it’s beautiful story telling. They really played the long game with this one.
Bro there's a frame at 6:29 that looks so fuckin epic
Miquella Before: "I'm here big bwotha! uWu tarnished, pwease wet us win!"
Miquella Cut: *balls drops* "I am done being a little b-. You will accept love, whether you like it, or not!"
Which is absolutely ironic, Coming from a God that abandoned his capacity to love
@@DamothMaykr1942 in order to turn the world into a place of pure love
I dont think Miquella will ever not be a little bitch.
@@somebody4094 I like the term “ No one that is kind actively calls themselves kind. “ so imma do him like I did his sister once I get far enough and free the homie Radahn’s soul from that femboy siren of a god
Ehhh, his new dialogue didn’t sound threatening. It just said what his goal was.
Radahn loved WAR. He wouldn't give 2 shits about the age of compassion. Dude is a monster.
I imagine Radahn said something like "Age of compassion? Ha! Over my dead body!" And Miquella and Malenia took it literally
@bombthing for real. Guy loved to fight. Miquella using him for love and peace is against what he was all about. Wish we could have killed HIM AND SAVED RADAHN SOMEHOW! SMH
That could be the reason why he recanted his promise with Miquella. Ideology difference and probably his condition rendering him as eternal child lol
Radahn fought in like, one war. There's no evidence he aided in the war against the Giants, the war against the Dragons, or any other major war before the Shattering.
He's defined by his men's loyalty to him, his love of animals, and the command over the stars (implied to be defensive action taken to stop the Fallingstar Beasts and Astels). Radahn is a compassionate boy who spent all his time preparing to be ready for war and when he finally got the war he wanted it was against his own family.
And he choked. His most famous battle was a standstill with Malenia, and the opening cinematic of the game shows him getting stomped by Morgott. And I would wager he choked because he never really wanted war, he just wanted to be a hero.
Regardless, Consort Radahn is a meat puppet.
@@MasoTrumoi lol Freyja his personal guard literally told us Radahn loved war. He can be kind to his men, his family, but a warlord he remains.
if someone finds any hints that it might have been Godwyn at once point I'm mad all over again.
2:55 a part of this dialogue still is in the game, when radhan grabs you miquella may say the line about the voyage
still it remind me the ranni's ending dialogue about the thoused years etch
It does look like they planned an alternate ending with a Miquella ending but cut it.
Just like the base game. I’m crushed they underdelivered twice.
Also the gameplay trailer ost got changed which is in dlc play during rellana boss fight
From Software trailers always use random tracks from the OST to sound cool--the only example of actual music moving around between versions that I can think of is that in the closed-beta test, Margit used Malenia's soundtrack--but I'm pretty sure that was just a placeholder.
@@TheMightyNovac Morgotts ost from the network test is different than melanias ost, but they both have the same melody.
Save Miquella. I need an ending where we side with.
I feel if he used the bow he would’ve shot one in the sky and then those light beams he uses would come down or that’s at least the first thing that came to my head when the bow was mentioned lol
The image of rahdan towering over the player, ready to absolutely beat the breaks off him while miquella proclaims the start of an age of love is peak irony
To be fair, the Tarnished chose to fight Miquella with the intent to kill, so what do you expect them to do? Let it happen?
Leda found out your intentions right before the boss fight which is why she attacks you.
@@pathetic2399 the irony is that Miquella is trying create an age of kindness, peace and compassion, but chooses Rahdan as his lord. A war loving demigod touted the most powerful of all. The implication being that Miquella will use Rahdans might to make everyone submit to his age of ‘compassion’.
I've given this DLC a negative review because they just completely left out the entire story as presented in the trailer. They even left out those cutscenes. I hate how easily FromBots will accept a half-baked work.
that’ll show miyazaki! lmfao what a loser
The story presented in the trailers is: Marika fucked shit up in the Realm of Shadow, Messmer rules over what's left of it. Miquella abandoned the Lands Between to investigate. NPCs gang up to go and find him. That's all in the final game.
Messmer plays a smaller role than expected but that's almost certainly just a misdirect to distract from Miquella being the villain, the same way Godrick was presented as The Big Bad of Elden Ring in its own trailers to downplay how big the game was. Idk the deal with the missing Miquella cutscene but I would be truly astonished if anyone bought the DLC solely because the trailer included that snippet of a cutscene.
this alternitive dialogue for Miquella mimics the things Ranni says at the end of the base game when choising her ending
The idea of Miquella having a bow might actually be a huge Bible reference. In Revelation 6, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are a callback to the book of Zechariah when spiritual entities are reporting and influencing global politics. The first of the riders is a white rider holding a bow, and later passages in chapter 13 clarify it will be through the promise of false peace. If that is the idea they had in mind, it's pretty hardcore they'd have people who did their homework enough include that little detail about the biggest baddie in Elden Ring and the introduction of the Antichrist.
Sucks that it isn't actually in the game in the end.
The Messmer lines were probably done intentionally to mislead people. Same with the "lost" cutscene with Miquella in front of the Shadow tree.
cut content is 1 thing, mistranslated dialog and text is another.
"shaman village", when it has a deeper meaning...jp it's shrine maiden /miko village
The cut version sounds more like an actual ending
miquella MIGHT be cupid with that bow
It seems like they originally wanted to show Miquella's goals and Ranni's ending as opposites.
Embrace vs Freedom.
That first piece of dialogue, it’s just like rannis in her ending, shit about to make me get into making mods to make that dialogue attached to a new great rune and ending option for the base game, I have coding experience but it’d take some time to figure out how to make it work
Maybe they considered giving Miquella a bow for the fight. But realized it was hard enough as is lol
i saw someone speculating we might be able to get miquella ending for the main story, and that cut miquella dialog sounds like that ending dialog. but idk how cut content works, so if you discover as cut content is it impossible to happen in main game? if that is the case maybe they had plan for miquella ending and scrapped it.
I love the cut one because its also work as a wedding vow, and emphasis that we are interrupted their wedding procession
I think the reason they scrapped the line for Marika is that they didn't want the players to know that ending-wise, Marika was trying to do the same thing as Ranni with the reference to the 1000 years and all and ridding the world reigned by gods, the only difference being that Ranni wants everyone to have the freedom of being, whilst Marika wants to be a god of kindness. Ranni just wants everyone not to be controlled by god but knows that if her reign last forever she will be no different than a god. Marika's 1000 years of kindness has no lore reason as to why she wants 1000 years, she wants the world to have compassion, kindness and all that, forever, but she doesn't know that if she turns into a god, she have to force people who don't want kindness and compassion to be so, and that is no different than a god, even if it's the moral good thing to do.
Miquella still says that if you get grabbed during the fight. A thousand year voyage of compassion.
@@Razhork oh that’s not me pointing it out, that’s me asking why she made it into 1000 years. Sorry for the confusion.
@@Vitemcpipe
1. IT'S MIQUELLA
2. Miquella is a dude
3. He's not even forcing it, where is your source?
Aside from being a -50IQ person and screeching the last thing the dude before you said? How about yall start thinking around the corner?
Ranni's ending is in no shape or form better. Rac ism will still prevail, and after the 1.000 years, she will come back and probably be the sole God of the Lands between. How is that any better?😂
Leaving a world so rotten, to leave everyone, fending for themselves....Yeah, no, thats not a good ending.....
That makes sense. What Miq said is what an emperian says to take over Marika's legacy. He didn't want that. He wanted to start his own separate from Marika.
I have a question, do we have any traces of godwyn in cut content? Because I refuse to believe that he wasn't supposed to play a major role in the dlc
I feel like they cut godwyn out of the dlc and just replaced him with radahn instead which feels shoehorned imo
@@Tau_Aquila godwyn is dead dead
@@Galaxy-jy9wl well he is dead and not dead at the same time
@Galaxy-jy9wl yea and the lore around miquella in the base game is constantly talking about miquella trying everything he can to bring him back and he got extremely close the only reason it failed was because the eclipse was haunted by radahn (making them established enemies in the base game)
The presence of the death knights make his absence even weirder imo
Thats not the alternate version, its literally what miquella says when radahn hug you during the fight, they just edited on the scene
2:49 Bro thinks he’s Ranni or something🤷🏻♂️🌚
Interesting that they changed messmers voice too. The trailer voice sounds more manevolent and kind of mentally unstable while the ingame voice sounds more tired, mature and like he's in despair or sadness a little which fits much better to his character
An important question, is there any trace of godwyn content in the cut content that the community found? Because I refuse to believe that he wasn't supposed to be a major point of the dlc
My guess is in Mesmer's trailer dialogue is a take where he's talking to her statue during the transformation cutscene-
God this could have been a perfect ending, it's nearly identical to ranni's speech in her ending, the age of eden surely sounds beautiful
Don’t care, we need justice for mogh
@@Vastolxrde844 i do agree, bro did beat the allegations, tho endings aren't necessairly good, this could have left a bitter sweet flavor, because in miquella's vision the end justifies the means, so maybe all the deaths could've been a sacrifice for the utopia he was creating.
Bro is litterally griffith from berserk after all, a horrible person leading the best world possible
I feel like the entire point is that the "Age of Eden" wouldn't actually be that good. Marika's Age of Order, bathed in rays of gold sure sounded like a good idea at the time too, I expect, but it was born out of genocide, murder, manipulation, and control, just like Miquella's own ascension. Marika banishing and sealing away Messmer I took as foreshadowing for what Miquella would eventually do to Radahn.
Do you know what 3 areas of the Lands Between have recieved Miquella's love? Caelid, the Haligtree, and Mohgwyn Palace. Rotting wastelands where tens of thousands of people likely suffered, for no reason at all than to appease Miquella. Is that the 'Eden' that Miquella seeks to create? It's no coincidence the guardian of the sealing tree, who stops the player from reaching Miquella, is the creator of the scarlet rot.
If Ranni's ending is the bitter sweet ending where the sweet overpowers the bitter, then Miquella's is the opposite.
@@ΦάντασματοῦΘεοῦ also if you think about it, miquella refers to you the player as the lord of the old age (whatever ending you’ve had) so it wouldn’t make sense for the tarnished to abandon whatever ending they had. Like for me I had the age of stars ending and it just wouldn’t make sense for me to abandon loyalty to ranni after becoming her consort
@@tTaseric with "perfect ending" i didn't mean it morally, but on a design level, because i completely agree with you, tho ranni's ending bitter sweetness is questionable, you could argue it was straight up just good, Godwhyn was the most loyal ally of the golden order, which was insanely twisted, we could see him as a fanatic for a totalitarian regime, i don't really hold him in high regards, even tho that is arguable as he spared fortissax, but was still considered "the golden".
Radahn was better off dead killing him was mercy, that's litterally what he wanted and i would argue that it is much better to die in battle as a warrior than wonder around while crazy and with god's TBC, the only bitter sweetness is blaid as his madness was directly caused by the complete rebellion to the greater will, and iji, but it wasn't ranni's fault, we don't know who sent the black knives.
As for its ending an order far away from the lands between is the best possible, it grants the so needed death to the lands between, and most importantly freedom, while the god and the lord (basically the leaders) take upon their shoulders the weight of the world saving everyone, it's pretty much christianity, ranni died resurrected and ascended to heaven to free all people from the chains and suffered for their freedom.
Bonus if you complete ansbach questline, summon him to radahn and see he dies in the fight, he'll tell you to create a new order "an order for men, not gods" with ranni's, fia's and possibly goldmask's ending that dieing wish us granted
FS knew exactly what they were doing when they cut out that alternate scene, it literally would've been rework of ranni ending and that would've just added more fuel to complaints of re packaged content
I’m kinda pissed they didnt let us have a peaceful ending to end the cycle of violence
First time?
@@Naspheratu peaceful ? lol
FromSoftware games are like that always.
A "god" with a bow, white dress, golden hair
A champion who is silent
Sounds more like Zelda and Link
I keep telling people that this DLC' story is incredibly disappointing and lack luster. There is a large amount of evidence that the devs butchered a lot of the story elements (lore and story are not the same thing) in order to focus more on refining the gameplay additions and open world, then released it without working on the cobbled together story in order to push out the DLC after _two years_ of extended dev time.
extended dev time? You do realize the dlc wasn't even a thought until 6 months or so later after the base game..They didn't even start on the dlc or think of it until all the major patches for elden ring were done. It's also rumored there was 2 dlcs and they ended up smashing them together so a lot was cut and changed etc, it is likely. The DLC is quite amazing nonetheless for 1.5 years of development a few repeat bosses but most are unique or different. The world is massive and has a decent amount around to explore and is indeed at times empty or lacking this is true. There's a lot we just don't know
@@yulfine1688 You more or less just repeated the exact arguement I was making but in different wording.
My entire point is that the "story" and even parts of the lore were obviously cobbled together quite messily in the DLC to the point that the said story ended up being very lackluster. And yes, the open world itself and the gameplay additions were mostly fantastic, which is why I made a point of mentioning how the devs very clearly prioritized refining those elements over the story prior to the DLC's release.
If what you say is true about how the devs only started working on the DLC six months after release, then that just proves my point even more. Shadow of the Erdtree alone is arguably as large as a legacy Soulsborne game. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's bigger than DS1. The fact the devs tried to tackle this effort in such a relatively short amount of time and possibly ended up mashing two originally separate DLCs into one goes to show how severely they underestimated the work load. And because of that, the story elements suffered a noticeable drop in quality and continuity due to the greater need of getting the actual meat-and-potatoes of the open world and gameplay additions ready for release.
It’s like Ranni’s dialogue.
The cut alternate version does worlds more to inform and intrigue me
The cut content is good but I'm also happy with what we got.
they literally had like an extra YEAR and a HALF and STILL found a way to CUT content and have FRAME issues on certain areas????? HOW???
Maybe because the dlc is so massive
You know a single company that delivers this much content in a DLC? People just have to complain
@@Galaxy-jy9wlFromSoft glazer detected
Other games have you believing that somehow more content is better content.
Perhaps the content they cut didn't fit with the overall theme or story they wanted to tell?
Fromsoft is a "less-is-more" company, and just because they cut content doesn't mean they couldn't find a place to shoehorn it in.
It was cut because it didn't fit what they wanted out of the story.
wdym “extra”???
I'd like to see somebody mod the Scadutree Blessing system into the base game. Would be pretty neat, I think.
If miquella shattered his great rune breaking his control over others free will. Why did Radahn still obey and not attack miquella when he appears at the gate of divinity?
Because Radahn, unlike the NPCs, is dead. He is not charmed, rather probably, more fundamentally enthralled by Miquella.
@@spaceman4286 You lost me. He was killed by us in the festival and resurrected by Miquella using Mohg's body. Perhaps because its Mohg's body that could explain why Radahn is still enthralled by Miquella?
He doesnt need it, notice how you can be charmed in the fight even though he broke it before the fight
@@moai4110 No you're mistaken if you have Miquella's shattered rune equipped if clearly protects you from Miquella's charm. If it broke the spell on all Npcs why didn't it release Radahn from his? IMO seems like an oversight from Fromsoftware. Not a big deal I thought Radahn would of been on our side helping us to defeat Miquella.
Radahn likely wasn't revived yet, and Miquella would be focusing all of his power on keeping Radahn's soul shackled. Even in the final game, when Radahn starts to get a red aura and glowing eyes, Miquella emerges from the gate and actively changes the aura to look like Miquella's incantations, and we don't see Radahn's eyes again. Miquella was probably trying to increase the control on Radahn's soul.
I can see why they didn't use the original dialogue for Miquella, the cut version sounds to wistful and idealistic and warm which clashes with the themes that the dlc has been setting up, the final version has a colder feeling to it, he's trying lure you with words of peace, love, and compassion but they ring hollow which conveys the idea that Miquella isn't that kindly little demi god anymore, he's a cold, calculating, schemer who will do anything it takes to get what he wants
can someone tell me if failling to defeat radahn and let him grab you by miquella 2 times and then winning the game without trying to kill him again unlocks another possible ending, or maybe beating miquella and winning the game with his crown let you unlock something else?
no special interaction
@@somebody4094 thanks bro
You'd have heard of it if it did.
I love this videos thanks man