It brings me a huge joy to be mentioned in any of your videos and finding out I was helpful to you in any possible way ^^ Keep up the amazing work, I love your videos, I love your attitude and dedication and its an absolute blast to have a daily video in this month. Thanks for still being here, glad to have met you and keep having fun with playing Pokemon alongside you. Amazing video
And he did it so nonchalantly without missing a beat, almost as if he was mentioning any random pokemon's type. I'm kind of worried that someone has kidnapped the real Scott 😅
@@theclownsystem9429 welcome to the channel 🥰 When he was a kid, Scott never knew what venemoth's actually typing was, so this has become the longest running joke on the channel 😁
On the eighteenth day of December, Scott's Thoughts gave to me: The egg tree with a garbage move pool A 'Bro "destined for greatness" Giovanni's aces finally winning The tapirs using hypnosis The 'King of emerald loafing A lively mid stage slashing The Johto trio roaming Surge's 'Chu with a competent trainer Classy Cat v Pig Monkey! A moonstone evolution The "Rhydon of gen three" A Pure Power powerhouse Wattson's ace in Hoenn 'Phan v Ursaring! A tiny turtle's bubble The fire starter digging A garden lizard's leech seed And those three weirdo mons punching
This month has been really stressful and rough for me. Your videos have been a daily reset for me and they've really helped me get through each day with a good mindset. Thank you for what you do Scott!
Gen 1 games were inspired by JRPGs. Level up movesets were supposed to be bland, Normal-type and physical move focused, with TMs being used to "unlock" greater power and "upgrade" your Pokemon. The fact that the Pokemon often only learn special moves through a TM upgrade was intentional.
@@AnyThingWorxwell they didn't take into account pokemon learning moves at levels that they're not even available in. They didn't foresee people in 20 years using emulators to edit their starter. I think we can give them a break
Most of the Slow growth rate pokémon, Mewtwo excepting, were always intended to be your core battling team and the recipients of TMs. Just look at Oak's teams. Tauros, Exeggutor, Gyarados, and Arcanine. All slow growth rate, all kinda bad without TMs.
@@MichaelSotoCE That's fine, for Pokemon such as Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Seel, Shellder, Staryu, etc. given that they're mid-late game Pokemon. What doesn't make sense is Pokemon such as Pidgey, Scyther, Pinsir, Growlithe. etc. having painful movesets that makes using them borderline unusable.
Around the S.S. Anne in the first run, I was thinking of the early Stomp strat, nice to see that panned out. Also, it's always interesting to see how just a few carbos can tip the balance in key fights-- the dragonite outspeed is a big coup for the eggbush!
All my favorites caused some real consternation! Sandy, Goldeen Trainer, and Sandslash showing again why its a terrific ace for the Champion's team. And the cherry on top was Professor Oak's (offscreen...) rampage against Exeggutor, until you came up with a legitimately creative tactic to work your way through it. Fine work!
I've recently become interested in Gen 1 Pokemon due to the different design philosophy being used from the other games in the series and that comment about the training of psychic types feels very in line with what I'm learning about these games. Originally, types had positives and negatives outside of their type matchups like how rock is technically the strongest physically offensive type, but it only has one move (I'm not counting rock throw) and the move only has decent power and no effects.
Rock is also designed to be the early game powerhouse of rby! It resists all early game types, it is the type of the first boss and the type of a monster you get early: geodude (80 base attack!). It's balanced by its nuke early stab move having AWFUL accuracy and all rock types having two common (for mid game) double weaknesses and very low special. A type balanced on game progression, something that was never the case in any other gen, definitely interesting!
As you say Scott, hypnosis is a valuable tool to deal with road blocks for mons. Which I think is why it’s important to identify the battles or moments where it’s not necessary. As much as I love the videos watching you try to put a raichu with 25% left to sleep was painful
That final battle in the second run was excruciating. You had such a perfect run right up until Blue. The sandslash always find a way to screw around with you 🤣
I wanna see a mini series of super strong pokemon that get held back by their Brock split if they get access to 1 of their later moves. It would be cool to see what could have been if they didn't get walled by their early game move pool.
I don't agree with this sentiment tbh. Earlygame is part of the game just as much as lategame. Brock splits are one of the very few things that possibly leas to unpredictable results, whitout it you can figure out tier placements in 2 minutes. Now if i was Scott i'd probably just startscum till i get a the RNG to beat Brock at the lowest possible level(hell, i'd probably startscum up to misty or even Surge if i can do so in 15-20 minutes, but i play old CRPG, startscumming is second nature to me lol), but it is clear that startscumming is not considered a valid strategy for his ruleset.
Tbh, a lot of Gen 1 OU mons are kinda bad for solo playthroughs since they spend like 20 levels using a Normal type move. It's especially bad for the stone Evos though, since they barely even GET moves.
Supporting the algorithm, but I want to note that I paused the other game I was playing when I heard the running gag and thought to myself, "what in the serendipity just happened here?"
Chansey having access to the move egg bomb is just like Hitmonchan having access to the elemental punches that should just be for jinx, Magmar and electabuzz
18:36 "His Venomoth is last and this Bug/Poison type has 4x damage in the form of Leech Life." Hearing Scott call Venomoth a Bug/Poison type just feels wrong. At first I thought it was just the usual joke, but then I realised.
A couple of things I was thinking about in regards to the second run as I was watching it. The first is, I imagine you should be able to do blackout grinding on the Jr. Trainer in brock's gym. This should save some time because the Diglett gives a really good amount of experience points, and its a strategy that has gotten used elsewhere. The second thing is that I don't think Mega Drain as a move has much usefulness past Giovanni, and I don't really think its useful even there. It's the kind of move that feels like a bit of a trap because Exeggutor's Psychic is just so powerful that it's going to out-damage Mega Drain a huge portion of the time. It's a moveslot that could be taken up by other moves, such as Rest or Double-Edge. I think getting Stomp early is a really correct optimization though, it's a great call. Barrage is just really bad as a move lol.
Agreed. Psychic is still better than Mega Drain since eve against things like Cloister and Sandslash, both moves are 2 hits in the Champion fight. Unless there's a problem with PP management, it's probably best to just run Psychic. Maybe put together a set like Psychic, Substitute, Rest, Mimic? Double Edge is a contender, but I do think the gap between Atk and Sp. in this case is pretty notable, and the versatility of stealing moves like EQ or Ice Beam makes Mimic the better option for offense in my eyes. If a physical move is needed, I wonder if Hyper Beam would work, since the recharge is removed if you land a KO, and the extreme base power might make up for middling Atk.
I always liked Exeggutor, but honestly, what an awful initial move pool, a complete injustice! Very difficult start indeed, if they just gave it a grass move in the beginning... At least confusion, to ease the beginning for Exeggutor. Frankly, it sure is a s-tier pokemon but it was not possible to make that possible! How disappointing. But anyway, you did the best possible with this guy, didn't you Scott? Good job!
If anyone's wondering how the Flareon fight is easier than the Jolteon fight, then here's the explanation: In the Jolteon fight, Blue will have Ninetales as his fire-type instead, which outspeeds and knows Fire Spin (which his AI will force him to use exclusively). Furthermore, Jolteon has 4x super-effective damage with Pin Missile (and, again, will only use that due to AI) on top of its already high crit chance due to its base 130 speed stat. Exeggutor's level would need to be in the upper 80s to outspeed the Ninetales and it will never be able to outspeed the Jolteon even at level 100 without badge boosting.
Kind of embarrassing that with all his knowledge of these games, Scott got Venomoth's type wrong. Sheesh, Veno is supposed to be the channel mascot - huge blunder
In tandem with finish levels, could the finish experience be added? The growth rates muddy the interpretation of levels, and I think it would be interesting to see how much experience the 'mon need to accrue for their victories.
Not much of a versus. Beedrill is going to be way worse. You have swords dance but no move to click, your only possible moveset is swords twineedle giga drain hyper beam
I am pleasantly surprised at how well Exeggutor did. With this, 7 of the 13 Pokémon currently ranked OU in RBY are on the tier list: Slowbro, Gengar, Starmie, Jynx, Exeggutor, Jolteon, and Chansey. The 6 that remain are Tauros, Snorlax, Alakazam, Rhydon, Zapdos, and Cloyster. Of those, I'm pretty sure Zapdos and Rhydon are the only ones you've never used in Yellow. Also, if we add in the UUBL mons, we get Lapras and our reigning champion Victreebel. ETA: Victreebel is not actually UUBL, it is currently UU proper, but it does have history in OU. The second UUBL Pokémon is actually another top tier solo runner, Hypno. (end edit) I'm really curious to see how the traits that make these Pokémon as good as they are in standard competitive play translate over to solo runs. Exeggutor is an interesting case, as in a solo run it loses access to two of its most defining utility moves, Sleep Powder and Explosion, while its main weaknesses as a solo run Pokémon, its terrible level-up learnset and its Slow growth rate, aren't really relevant in competitive. I'm really curious to see Rhydon, since its main role as a physical tank that also stifles Electric types is much more valuable in the context of a full team. Those traits will be helpful in a solo run for sure, but without teammates to back it up against powerful Special attackers, especially Water, Grass, and Ice types, its weaknesses will be quite limiting. Lorelei's team, Lance's Gyarados, and the rival's Cloyster especially comes to mind in this regard. Plus, like Exeggutor, it has the Slow growth rate and a lackluster level-up set.
It's not just that it is a stone evolution, the Exeggcute line just doesn't get many moves in Gen 1, because it's a Safari Zone pokemon. If you don't evolve it, then instead of getting Stomp it gets Leech Seed, Stun Spore, and Poison Powder. Granted, it can learn Toxic, so you can take advantage of the Leech Seed/Toxic glitch if you want, but that's not going to be enough for a solo challenge, and the line doesn't have the HP or defenses to Toxic Stall effectively, even with the healing from Leech Seed.
I honestly never understood the supposed "balance cost" of stone evolutions. Exeggutor, the stone evolution of a Pokémon you need to go to the Safari Zone to get (and thus, mid-game), gets only the Level 1 moves from Exeggcute's learnset. If you evolve it as soon as you get it, you can get... Stomp as a bonus move. Clefable, Nidoking and Nidoqueen, stone evolutions you can get before Misty, get four (for Nidoqueen and Nidoking, five in Yellow) of Clefairy, Nidorino and Nidorina's level up moves, respectively. Nidoking and Nidoqueen even get a powerful bonus move in Thrash and Body Slam, respectively, if you evolve them too early.
Give Exeggcutor Confusion at lvl 10 and Stomp at lvl 1, and then maybe a grass move at 15 or so, and then access to Body Slam since it's a tree that could absolutely injure something with it's body. Exeggcutor was done so dirty by it's movepool.
When you have some spare time, a romhack with a Grass-type (but otherwise untouched) Barrage (or maybe just Bullet Seed) on Exeggutor would be really interesting to see
**SPOILER ALERT** As soon as I saw how... less than ideal the beginning is for Exeggutor, and for how long it is, I was going to ask if it would be worth it to consider using rare candies you have access to to lvl 28 just to have stomp for Rival 3 or at least the Wrapping "Lass". It seems I've learned a lot from all your videos Scott. :)
Can you do an egg move run of eggexutor where it has its egg moves from gen 2 in gen 1 to see how fast it would be with a decent move set? Thanks Scott again for everything
Interesting... I had thought this one would be not much different than its Surge-tier pre-evo. Apparently the higher base stats do help a lot more than the extra level-up moves.
18:40 another way to technically misType Venomoth could be to say it is a Poison/Bug Type! Which would be technically incorrect - the best kind of incorrect.
How effective would Bide be on a Chansey? It has crazy HP and by learning soft boiled could recover.after use. Is this something you've considered. Also, I know this is an Exeggutor video, but this idea dropped into my head when you were using Bide so I thought I'd leave a comment in case I forgot later. Great video, as always.
1) I feel your pain. As I watch, I am doing a randomized Emerald run with an Exeggcute , and I had to grind to level 14 for the first rival fight. Barrage is such a bad move. I am surprised it wasn't replace with bullet seed. 2) Wait? You think that Venomoth is a Bug Poison type? That's crazy! It's obviously a flying/psychic type. 3) Exeggutor is such a binary pokemon. Until you get Psychic, it's stuck with very weak physical attacks. I'm not surprised that it's the equal of pokemon who tended to have a worse time overall.
Did anyone let Scott know that Grass type moves are special? I know mega drain/solar beam are trash, but i think with that base special, mega drain/double edge could do stuff for the mid game alongside psychic beefed up with PP up.
That ending was stressful! Really poor luck there, you should've been able to get past the Alakazam ~68% of the time. For a future run, would it be worth doing a first pass through Viridian Forest on minimum battles to blackout grind on the Jr. Trainer a few times for efficient Exp or does the backtracking and extra time on the Bug Catcher make that not worth it?
I'm curious to see how different the times on these runs would be is you started the run times after the Brock split. Like just how many pokemon are held back because of poor moveset
You should do an Exeggutor run where you make Barrage and Egg Bomb grass type, it could be incredible if it got a better earlygame; if Exeggutor had these moves as a grass STAB it could have a S tier speed, possibly even better than Hypno and Gengar
Man, just giving this body slam would be enough to get it through that middle game. EDIT: even level 1 leech seed would be a crazy boost to this even with the slow kill. It'll keep it feeling the same, have a move execute would normally learn, and would give a "grass" move to make it feel more authentic.
I wonder if you could backport all pokemon which non-legendary non-mega pokemon would do the best. I think Garchomp will crush both gen 1 and 2. For gen 1 it starts with dragon rage for the early game, gets dig soon and then once it reaches Celadon it can crush the rest of the game with a special set because Garchomp can and often is run as a mixed attacker. For gen 2, it can make use of rare candies whenever it needs without worry because it can easily set up on the pikachu against red safely dues to its ground type. Another option for gen 1 is Meowscarada. In gen1 its signature move is essentially Razor Leaf with 70 BP, it starts with a grass move and is really fast for gen1 standards. Also an interesting mon to backport imo is Arceus. You would think it would be amazing, then you look at its level 1 movepool... yeah.
Maybe this run provides an idea for a new series in these games, Something like 'ideal sets' so start the game with the ideal moveset of your choosing then see how fast they can really go.
Scott, the flow of skipping the random trainers perfectly is underappreciated. It's so satisfying to watch every time
It brings me a huge joy to be mentioned in any of your videos and finding out I was helpful to you in any possible way ^^ Keep up the amazing work, I love your videos, I love your attitude and dedication and its an absolute blast to have a daily video in this month. Thanks for still being here, glad to have met you and keep having fun with playing Pokemon alongside you.
Amazing video
IKE!!! You da man!
18:37 it is SO WEIRD to see him say that Venomoth is a BUG/POISON. So brave, but so wrong. AHAHHAHAHAH
I heard him say it and just sat there for a minute thinking to myself 'IS that venomoths actual typing?'
And he did it so nonchalantly without missing a beat, almost as if he was mentioning any random pokemon's type. I'm kind of worried that someone has kidnapped the real Scott 😅
Am I missing a joke here? Venemoth is Bug/Poison type.
@@theclownsystem9429 welcome to the channel 🥰
When he was a kid, Scott never knew what venemoth's actually typing was, so this has become the longest running joke on the channel 😁
@@theclownsystem9429I'm pretty sure it's Steel/Fairy.
Imagine “my wife is like ‘everything okay?’” And the response is “yeah sanslash is being annoying” and her understanding. Relationship goals.
Relationship goals is her getting excited when Bruno makes an appearance in Yellow, lol.
We did it everyone! Venomoth is a Bug/Poison type!
Nop, its Dragon/Ghost type
Nah. It's a Fire/Ice type.
Nononono it’s a poison/bug type
It's Fairy/Ghost. Idk what you're talking about.
I heard venomoth is rock/normal...
I've seen enough of these runs that I don't actually know what Venomoth's typing is anymore.
You know you’re spoiled by daily December when Scott’s 30 minutes late on posting today’s video, and you’re wondering if he died
On the eighteenth day of December, Scott's Thoughts gave to me:
The egg tree with a garbage move pool
A 'Bro "destined for greatness"
Giovanni's aces finally winning
The tapirs using hypnosis
The 'King of emerald loafing
A lively mid stage slashing
The Johto trio roaming
Surge's 'Chu with a competent trainer
Classy Cat v Pig Monkey!
A moonstone evolution
The "Rhydon of gen three"
A Pure Power powerhouse
Wattson's ace in Hoenn
'Phan v Ursaring!
A tiny turtle's bubble
The fire starter digging
A garden lizard's leech seed
And those three weirdo mons punching
I love these! :D
'The egg tree with a garbage move pool'
This could be the best title so far 😂
"I think I overuse the move rest", there it is folks, he said it. Great video Scott
I just finished the Slowbro video, saw that you were gonna do Exeggcutor, and then saw that you uploaded the video a few seconds ago.
Neat.
This month has been really stressful and rough for me. Your videos have been a daily reset for me and they've really helped me get through each day with a good mindset. Thank you for what you do Scott!
To quote a certain Zazu of Pride Rock: 'I've got a lovely bunch coconuts. There they are all standing in a row.'
It took me a full minute to realise, that Venomoth actually is a bug/poison type! 😂😂😂
Now, I've heard people call Venomoth all sorts of weird types, but Bug/Poison is just ludicrous. I ain't believing you this time, Scott!
Gen 1 games were inspired by JRPGs. Level up movesets were supposed to be bland, Normal-type and physical move focused, with TMs being used to "unlock" greater power and "upgrade" your Pokemon. The fact that the Pokemon often only learn special moves through a TM upgrade was intentional.
That doesn’t make the design choice good.
@@AnyThingWorxNo but it makes more sense with that knowledge.
@@AnyThingWorxwell they didn't take into account pokemon learning moves at levels that they're not even available in.
They didn't foresee people in 20 years using emulators to edit their starter. I think we can give them a break
Most of the Slow growth rate pokémon, Mewtwo excepting, were always intended to be your core battling team and the recipients of TMs.
Just look at Oak's teams. Tauros, Exeggutor, Gyarados, and Arcanine. All slow growth rate, all kinda bad without TMs.
@@MichaelSotoCE That's fine, for Pokemon such as Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Seel, Shellder, Staryu, etc. given that they're mid-late game Pokemon.
What doesn't make sense is Pokemon such as Pidgey, Scyther, Pinsir, Growlithe. etc. having painful movesets that makes using them borderline unusable.
Now I’m wondering how different all this would’ve been if barrage had been grass type since it’s basically Gen 1 bullet seed
Slow growth rate would keep it out of the top of S tier I think. But still really good
That back sprite is something else, lost my drink after seeing it for the first time
Around the S.S. Anne in the first run, I was thinking of the early Stomp strat, nice to see that panned out.
Also, it's always interesting to see how just a few carbos can tip the balance in key fights-- the dragonite outspeed is a big coup for the eggbush!
All my favorites caused some real consternation! Sandy, Goldeen Trainer, and Sandslash showing again why its a terrific ace for the Champion's team. And the cherry on top was Professor Oak's (offscreen...) rampage against Exeggutor, until you came up with a legitimately creative tactic to work your way through it.
Fine work!
Loved all the trainings you did early on and the nice rare candy strat for stomp
“And this Bug Poison type…”
Venomoth isn’t Bug Poison, it’s Fire Grass
Fire Grass? Shit here I thought it was Dragon Dark
@@CheeseEaster It’s actually Flying Steel
I coulda swore it was Ice/Flying....
Sure it isn't Poison/Dragon?
Wait I am confused. Are you telling me Venomoth isn't Stellar type?
I've recently become interested in Gen 1 Pokemon due to the different design philosophy being used from the other games in the series and that comment about the training of psychic types feels very in line with what I'm learning about these games. Originally, types had positives and negatives outside of their type matchups like how rock is technically the strongest physically offensive type, but it only has one move (I'm not counting rock throw) and the move only has decent power and no effects.
Rock is also designed to be the early game powerhouse of rby! It resists all early game types, it is the type of the first boss and the type of a monster you get early: geodude (80 base attack!).
It's balanced by its nuke early stab move having AWFUL accuracy and all rock types having two common (for mid game) double weaknesses and very low special.
A type balanced on game progression, something that was never the case in any other gen, definitely interesting!
@@OathOfRevenge At some point I'd like to look over how competitive Pokemon affected Pokemon design.
As you say Scott, hypnosis is a valuable tool to deal with road blocks for mons. Which I think is why it’s important to identify the battles or moments where it’s not necessary. As much as I love the videos watching you try to put a raichu with 25% left to sleep was painful
That final battle in the second run was excruciating. You had such a perfect run right up until Blue. The sandslash always find a way to screw around with you 🤣
Really shows how a movepool can hold it back. Awesome to get it a time that quick in spite of that!
Been waiting for this one for a while, one of my favourite OG pokemon!
I wanna see a mini series of super strong pokemon that get held back by their Brock split if they get access to 1 of their later moves. It would be cool to see what could have been if they didn't get walled by their early game move pool.
I don't agree with this sentiment tbh. Earlygame is part of the game just as much as lategame. Brock splits are one of the very few things that possibly leas to unpredictable results, whitout it you can figure out tier placements in 2 minutes.
Now if i was Scott i'd probably just startscum till i get a the RNG to beat Brock at the lowest possible level(hell, i'd probably startscum up to misty or even Surge if i can do so in 15-20 minutes, but i play old CRPG, startscumming is second nature to me lol), but it is clear that startscumming is not considered a valid strategy for his ruleset.
I agree a mini series of egg moves would be awesome! Keep the og series of course. But gen 2 egg moves or early tm would be fun to see for sure.
That would be lame tho
Egg moves like Krabby getting amnesia would be fun as hell too
@@noukan42 This is kind've how I feel about all of his comments on "Disabling random spawns because Mount Moon is unfairly punishing for slow pokemon"
Exeggutor is one of the big 4 of gen 1 ou kinda surprised by its performance.
That’s for comp PvP not PvE tbf
With that starting moveset, it shouldn't be a surprise
It used to. But, Starmie nowadays is #4
Tbh, a lot of Gen 1 OU mons are kinda bad for solo playthroughs since they spend like 20 levels using a Normal type move.
It's especially bad for the stone Evos though, since they barely even GET moves.
Slow growth rate + stone evolution level up moveset = usually bad for solo runs
I love Exeggutor so much for its silly design. I wonder how a backport of Alolan Exeggutor (maybe with Dragon Hammer?) would do.
20:05 "in the place of Hypnosis" I am so proud of you :_).
Me after the exeggutor run reaches Celadon: "Well that eggscalated quickly."
Supporting the algorithm, but I want to note that I paused the other game I was playing when I heard the running gag and thought to myself, "what in the serendipity just happened here?"
Exeggutor not getting Body Slam is WEIRD
Betcha it somehow gets take down and double edge
@@adventureoflinkmk2 Sad Weezing noises.
@@shadowtitanx3962
Even weirder it doesn’t get softboiled!
Honestly, the Kevin head looking back at you is a pretty good indicator of the early game lol
I’ve been very into exeggutor lately so its synchronous that this would come out today
Chansey having access to the move egg bomb is just like Hitmonchan having access to the elemental punches that should just be for jinx, Magmar and electabuzz
Hitmonchan is a boxer though
18:36 "His Venomoth is last and this Bug/Poison type has 4x damage in the form of Leech Life."
Hearing Scott call Venomoth a Bug/Poison type just feels wrong. At first I thought it was just the usual joke, but then I realised.
Lol, same.
ALL HAIL THE DOME FOSSIL!
Moveset is everything. Exagcutor exeplifies that.
A couple of things I was thinking about in regards to the second run as I was watching it. The first is, I imagine you should be able to do blackout grinding on the Jr. Trainer in brock's gym. This should save some time because the Diglett gives a really good amount of experience points, and its a strategy that has gotten used elsewhere. The second thing is that I don't think Mega Drain as a move has much usefulness past Giovanni, and I don't really think its useful even there. It's the kind of move that feels like a bit of a trap because Exeggutor's Psychic is just so powerful that it's going to out-damage Mega Drain a huge portion of the time. It's a moveslot that could be taken up by other moves, such as Rest or Double-Edge.
I think getting Stomp early is a really correct optimization though, it's a great call. Barrage is just really bad as a move lol.
Agreed. Psychic is still better than Mega Drain since eve against things like Cloister and Sandslash, both moves are 2 hits in the Champion fight. Unless there's a problem with PP management, it's probably best to just run Psychic. Maybe put together a set like Psychic, Substitute, Rest, Mimic? Double Edge is a contender, but I do think the gap between Atk and Sp. in this case is pretty notable, and the versatility of stealing moves like EQ or Ice Beam makes Mimic the better option for offense in my eyes. If a physical move is needed, I wonder if Hyper Beam would work, since the recharge is removed if you land a KO, and the extreme base power might make up for middling Atk.
@@maxmanramfan Substitute and Hyper Beam are game corner moves, and as a result, are generally never actually optimal when it comes to speed.
Exeggutor gets Egg Bomb but not Softboiled. Very strange.
Now that is one unlucky champ fight. Oh, boy -.-'
I always liked Exeggutor, but honestly, what an awful initial move pool, a complete injustice! Very difficult start indeed, if they just gave it a grass move in the beginning... At least confusion, to ease the beginning for Exeggutor. Frankly, it sure is a s-tier pokemon but it was not possible to make that possible! How disappointing. But anyway, you did the best possible with this guy, didn't you Scott? Good job!
Perfect upload time for my lunch
"Bug/Poison Venomoth"
Wot?
Wow that back sprite is something else
If anyone's wondering how the Flareon fight is easier than the Jolteon fight, then here's the explanation:
In the Jolteon fight, Blue will have Ninetales as his fire-type instead, which outspeeds and knows Fire Spin (which his AI will force him to use exclusively). Furthermore, Jolteon has 4x super-effective damage with Pin Missile (and, again, will only use that due to AI) on top of its already high crit chance due to its base 130 speed stat. Exeggutor's level would need to be in the upper 80s to outspeed the Ninetales and it will never be able to outspeed the Jolteon even at level 100 without badge boosting.
Kind of embarrassing that with all his knowledge of these games, Scott got Venomoth's type wrong. Sheesh, Veno is supposed to be the channel mascot - huge blunder
Oh great Scott!
@ 23:35 was HILARIOUS. Blaine used AI Mod 5 on that takedown move.
In tandem with finish levels, could the finish experience be added? The growth rates muddy the interpretation of levels, and I think it would be interesting to see how much experience the 'mon need to accrue for their victories.
Exeggutor is fantastic in gen 1... after TMs and leveling up as Exeggcute shore up its movepool 😅 the power of context
It's gotta be the duo weezing duo, because they both have 2 weezing
I can’t help but notice that no Beedrill line has been placed and this month, Beedrill vs Butterfree would be great!
Not much of a versus. Beedrill is going to be way worse. You have swords dance but no move to click, your only possible moveset is swords twineedle giga drain hyper beam
@@franslair2199if you’re able to survive the turns to setup swords dances plus hyper beam can sweep a lot of the game
I am pleasantly surprised at how well Exeggutor did.
With this, 7 of the 13 Pokémon currently ranked OU in RBY are on the tier list: Slowbro, Gengar, Starmie, Jynx, Exeggutor, Jolteon, and Chansey. The 6 that remain are Tauros, Snorlax, Alakazam, Rhydon, Zapdos, and Cloyster. Of those, I'm pretty sure Zapdos and Rhydon are the only ones you've never used in Yellow.
Also, if we add in the UUBL mons, we get Lapras and our reigning champion Victreebel.
ETA: Victreebel is not actually UUBL, it is currently UU proper, but it does have history in OU. The second UUBL Pokémon is actually another top tier solo runner, Hypno. (end edit)
I'm really curious to see how the traits that make these Pokémon as good as they are in standard competitive play translate over to solo runs. Exeggutor is an interesting case, as in a solo run it loses access to two of its most defining utility moves, Sleep Powder and Explosion, while its main weaknesses as a solo run Pokémon, its terrible level-up learnset and its Slow growth rate, aren't really relevant in competitive.
I'm really curious to see Rhydon, since its main role as a physical tank that also stifles Electric types is much more valuable in the context of a full team. Those traits will be helpful in a solo run for sure, but without teammates to back it up against powerful Special attackers, especially Water, Grass, and Ice types, its weaknesses will be quite limiting. Lorelei's team, Lance's Gyarados, and the rival's Cloyster especially comes to mind in this regard. Plus, like Exeggutor, it has the Slow growth rate and a lackluster level-up set.
Scott forced to use Venomoth's correct typing. XD
I think it's the first time we saw Koga used a bug/poison type Venomoth.
Whoa, Venomoth's Bug/Poison typing is incredibly dangerous for the Dark/Fairy-type Exeggutor...
Pardonnez mon foutu Francais, but what the feckin' daffodil did you just call Venomoth?!?!
It's not just that it is a stone evolution, the Exeggcute line just doesn't get many moves in Gen 1, because it's a Safari Zone pokemon. If you don't evolve it, then instead of getting Stomp it gets Leech Seed, Stun Spore, and Poison Powder. Granted, it can learn Toxic, so you can take advantage of the Leech Seed/Toxic glitch if you want, but that's not going to be enough for a solo challenge, and the line doesn't have the HP or defenses to Toxic Stall effectively, even with the healing from Leech Seed.
I honestly never understood the supposed "balance cost" of stone evolutions.
Exeggutor, the stone evolution of a Pokémon you need to go to the Safari Zone to get (and thus, mid-game), gets only the Level 1 moves from Exeggcute's learnset. If you evolve it as soon as you get it, you can get... Stomp as a bonus move.
Clefable, Nidoking and Nidoqueen, stone evolutions you can get before Misty, get four (for Nidoqueen and Nidoking, five in Yellow) of Clefairy, Nidorino and Nidorina's level up moves, respectively. Nidoking and Nidoqueen even get a powerful bonus move in Thrash and Body Slam, respectively, if you evolve them too early.
I was like "Huh?" when you said wife, but then smiled a bit.
Sure nothing to do with the run, but still kinda fun.
Give Exeggcutor Confusion at lvl 10 and Stomp at lvl 1, and then maybe a grass move at 15 or so, and then access to Body Slam since it's a tree that could absolutely injure something with it's body. Exeggcutor was done so dirty by it's movepool.
When you have some spare time, a romhack with a Grass-type (but otherwise untouched) Barrage (or maybe just Bullet Seed) on Exeggutor would be really interesting to see
**SPOILER ALERT**
As soon as I saw how... less than ideal the beginning is for Exeggutor, and for how long it is, I was going to ask if it would be worth it to consider using rare candies you have access to to lvl 28 just to have stomp for Rival 3 or at least the Wrapping "Lass". It seems I've learned a lot from all your videos Scott. :)
**SPOILER ALERT 2**
OMG that Sandslash is a demon. I was so tilted watching all those resets 😭😂🤣
Can you do an egg move run of eggexutor where it has its egg moves from gen 2 in gen 1 to see how fast it would be with a decent move set? Thanks Scott again for everything
Interesting... I had thought this one would be not much different than its Surge-tier pre-evo. Apparently the higher base stats do help a lot more than the extra level-up moves.
Please explain the growth cutting your speed to 2 glitch 15:21
When the user uses a stat altering move on itself the paralysis debuff is re-applied to the opposing pokemon. This also occurs with burn.
Sandslash is now the sand / poison type
The fact that kadabra is not a slow growth rate Pokémon is crazy to me. It really should be.
4:19 Alakazam: Am I a joke to you? :(
Bulbasaur is still the guy that could just shave off those few seconds to reach the higher tier. I’m sure it’ll get there eventually.
Now this is a Mekkah Moment
hey scott! in gen 2 Exeggutor starts with confusion as well! would a run where you give him confusion be an idea for a stream sometime next year?
18:40 another way to technically misType Venomoth could be to say it is a Poison/Bug Type! Which would be technically incorrect - the best kind of incorrect.
Did you notice that Scoot said the type of Venomoth wrong? Why was that?
It should have been Bug/Flying!
In gen 2 this thing gets to start with Confusion. I wonder how much faster it would've been with that.
That would have probebly made it a monster
How effective would Bide be on a Chansey? It has crazy HP and by learning soft boiled could recover.after use. Is this something you've considered.
Also, I know this is an Exeggutor video, but this idea dropped into my head when you were using Bide so I thought I'd leave a comment in case I forgot later. Great video, as always.
I want to see runs with the best move set a pokemon can get to start (like trading a pokemon that has egg moves from gen2)
1) I feel your pain. As I watch, I am doing a randomized Emerald run with an Exeggcute , and I had to grind to level 14 for the first rival fight. Barrage is such a bad move. I am surprised it wasn't replace with bullet seed.
2) Wait? You think that Venomoth is a Bug Poison type? That's crazy! It's obviously a flying/psychic type.
3) Exeggutor is such a binary pokemon. Until you get Psychic, it's stuck with very weak physical attacks. I'm not surprised that it's the equal of pokemon who tended to have a worse time overall.
Did anyone let Scott know that Grass type moves are special?
I know mega drain/solar beam are trash, but i think with that base special, mega drain/double edge could do stuff for the mid game alongside psychic beefed up with PP up.
I mean, if rest can prevent between 4 and 8 resets, it seems pretty op. So use it.
What, you egg!
That ending was stressful! Really poor luck there, you should've been able to get past the Alakazam ~68% of the time. For a future run, would it be worth doing a first pass through Viridian Forest on minimum battles to blackout grind on the Jr. Trainer a few times for efficient Exp or does the backtracking and extra time on the Bug Catcher make that not worth it?
I'm curious to see how different the times on these runs would be is you started the run times after the Brock split. Like just how many pokemon are held back because of poor moveset
not having access to the previous evos moves feels like a bad representation of the pokemon. idk how to fix it tho w/o just editing the mons learnset.
You should do an Exeggutor run where you make Barrage and Egg Bomb grass type, it could be incredible if it got a better earlygame; if Exeggutor had these moves as a grass STAB it could have a S tier speed, possibly even better than Hypno and Gengar
Ninjask bukkake
Man, just giving this body slam would be enough to get it through that middle game.
EDIT: even level 1 leech seed would be a crazy boost to this even with the slow kill. It'll keep it feeling the same, have a move execute would normally learn, and would give a "grass" move to make it feel more authentic.
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Heh gen 2 starting moveset which adds confusion would be enough
I’m surprised it doesn’t get Dream Eater
I wonder if you could backport all pokemon which non-legendary non-mega pokemon would do the best.
I think Garchomp will crush both gen 1 and 2.
For gen 1 it starts with dragon rage for the early game, gets dig soon and then once it reaches Celadon it can crush the rest of the game with a special set because Garchomp can and often is run as a mixed attacker.
For gen 2, it can make use of rare candies whenever it needs without worry because it can easily set up on the pikachu against red safely dues to its ground type.
Another option for gen 1 is Meowscarada. In gen1 its signature move is essentially Razor Leaf with 70 BP, it starts with a grass move and is really fast for gen1 standards.
Also an interesting mon to backport imo is Arceus. You would think it would be amazing, then you look at its level 1 movepool... yeah.
Wouldn't Strength be a better move than Stomp?
The issue is that you can't remove it
@mattiamerlo2688 oh yeah I keep forgetting about that
Sub hour time. I kinda expected that, I never thought it was a good mon but I guess this proves it wasn't as bad as I thought.
Always bet on psychic in Gen 1
WHAT? Scott NOT mistyping Venomoth? Unbelievable! :)
AND unlearning HYPNOSIS? Who are you and what have you done to Scott :)
31:34 So I guess you could say these are just.... Scott's Thoughts?
Exeggutor gets annihilated by frigging Pin Missile of all things, and that's assuming you make it to Jolteon through Arcanine.
Maybe this run provides an idea for a new series in these games,
Something like 'ideal sets' so start the game with the ideal moveset of your choosing then see how fast they can really go.
My my, what a stressful finale.
My favourite Pokemon 😍
Never understood why you don't black out train on the jr trainer in bricks gym
4 straight poisons is a 0.16% chance, that’s just brutal rng
I'm hoping at some point you do tradebacks/egg moves