Namor was a better Black Adam than Black Adam
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I didn't hate Black Adam but it wasn't until I saw Wakanda Forever that I realized what he was missing.
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Don’t forget the most important part
They let namor keep the pointy ears
but neither was given the silly extreme widows peak 😞
@@yepimbatman I mean that a pretty hard thing to do
Not to mention the little ankle wings
and his wings on his ankles!
They don’t really make sense tho tbh also black adam doesn’t have pointy ears in the comics anymore
They gave Namor the pointy ears, winged ankles, and just in underwear and still made him cool and menacing
Just the siren song alone was scarier than the entire MoM; by the time Namor shows up you’re already holding your breath lol
@@biazacha yeah that scene really showed how powerful they all were…
I think he should’ve been a bit bigger to really sell the threatening physicality of the character, but the actor did a great job with the line delivery.
@Spiral Jumper I wish riri wasn't in the film, it should've been more screentime for namor
@@velocityhdmi8140 yeah it was promo for her show obvi
Definitely, the issue is that The Rock can't be a villain in a movie and Black Adam needed to be bad.
Exactly his ego won't let him do that
yeah adam need to be arrogant
@@haiky6932 ironically, much like the real Rock, lol
You guys clearly haven't seen the Doom movie, huh?
@@mickeymouse7726 you really hate the Rock
Namor was by far my favorite character in BP2. He had such a presence whenever he was on screen, and his actions backed up what he was saying.
I was skeptical of the race shift, but they made it work in the story, they made it _logical,_ and they maintained Namor's persona.
Namor is the best new character of phase 4 all together. The only character that I saw as the character and not an actor playing a role in the same way that RDJ, Chris Evans, and Hemsworth just embody their character
Ngl Namor gave me Zack Snyder vibes whenever he had a badass scene.
He got cucked
@@brohiddlesby7010 Except well written.
Namor's airborne fighting style was so cool and so original
movie did a great job making him and the rest of the fish guys terrifying! and not in some corny power level way
It's so interesting to me that Namor is a threat underwater, on land AND in the sky. He's a danger to his opponents on all three fronts and it's something we don't normally see with a character.
@@j.a.6310 talokan silent raid in the beginning is genuinely scary.
His fly pattern resembles a hummingbird 🤩
And those water bombs are such a cool concept. Just as dangerous as a more traditional explosive, but they don't leave a mess.
Namor's an excellent anti-hero. We need more like him in superhero films.
I was surprised that he just straight up murdered people lol
I'd fully agree if we actually had a MCU movie with Namor in it.
@@MWhaleK We do. It's this little movie called Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
@@MIrfanPerdana he thinks just because he’s Mexican he’s not namor
@@babygroot8023 which is silly. This isn't the first race swap we've had in the MCU. Original Flavor Nick Fury was white as the driven snow, but making him Samuel L Jackson was a Galaxy Brain move.
I’m just so glad they portrayed Namor respectfully
Tell that to nerds who think they butchered him
@@williampearson6299 they did butcher him
Thats not Namor thats waka chikihaka
Found the nerd
@Kaya G being so pathetic must hurt.
That Talocan scene with that music was just, beautiful. Like, wow. In just one scene, we understand why Namor cares a lot about his home and why he would do anything to help it.
I not only almost cried, but I also literally wanted to reach out and give the talocan people a hug.
It was mesmerizing, it made me let out a single but amazed "wow" when i first watch it
@@G.P.M_7 Same man, and I don't remember feeling that way when I watched the other MCU films.
@@cosmokramer7396 I'm pretty sure they'll drowned you.
Namor's line to Suri after killing Queen Ramonda:
"Bury Your Dead. Mourn Your Losses. You Are Queen Now."
felt really unnecessarily brutal. It was refreshing to feel that watching a Marvel movie where usually nobody of note can actually die.
Before that, when he's showing Suri Tulakan and stated to her point blank what would happen if she chose to fight him.. goosebumps, man. I was rooting for them both in the final fight.
Also, the fact that the queen died before reconciling with Okoye was heartbreaking, the fact that death in this movie was such a denial of closure was really well done.
This could have been what we got from Thor Love and Thunder against Gorr but no, the director wanted a comedy movie
@@youtubewatcher6124 it’s Taika Watitti what do you expect (not defending the movie, but saying that once you have Taika Watitti you’ll get a comedy. Marvel shouldn’t have continued with him).
@@youtubewatcher6124 The movie was about Thor and Jane first and foremost, it wasn't called "Gorr: Love and Thunder" after all
@@lvo9197
We got a glimpse of that when he caused earthquake ocean tremors in Wakanda that Okoye mentioned in End game which was confirmed was Namor
Honestly was so happy with Namor’s portrayal. Not only was he fleshed out well, he also had a very effective screen presence. Really one of my favorite Marvel antagonist thus far. The adaptation isn’t exactly super faithful, but I still think it was awesome. Giving his people a culture rooted in real world culture was so cool, and mirrored the Wakandans in that way.
15 year old me would never have believed that anything on this earth could simultaneously
1) Make Namor a household name and
2) Make Namor a likable, empathetic character while ALSO
3) Staying true to what made Namor, Namor.
I underestimated Disney. A fatal flaw indeed.
Disney is trash give your credit to Ryan Coogler
Exactly...make namor what makes him namor.people missed that because they could not get past the race swap.i liked this new namor...and his talocan world.
@@5vpp053 I hate Ryan for ruining tchalla character in the first BP film.i love his villains tho, killmonger and namor
@@wambokodavid7109 T'Challa was a pretty empathetic and thoughtful character tho... I especially like how he respects women and doesn't hold back on emotions while also being stable.
the only part I get mad at him is where he lets killmonger get away in a slow moving van because ✨emotional damage✨
@@wambokodavid7109 You can't race swap a fictional race. Fools are just mad that his skin is dark. Let them cry.
In the movie, I can't help seeing The Rock more than Black Adam while I see Namor as just Namor in Wakanda Forever...
I agree Namor is so much better than black Adam because he was genuinely a hero to his people and villain to everyone else like how Namor is in the comics plus tenoch huerta is just a better actor with more range than the rock
But that's literally how Black Adam is portrayed in his movie: a hero to his country and a threat to the rest of the world. At least Black Adam wasn't moronic like "NAH-more" was. Acting ability can't compensate for bad writing, just ask the Star Wars prequels. Wakanda Forever was a bad movie, at least Black Adam was competent in spite of some flaws.
@@RockStationForChrist nah your opinion is trash
@@mikesmith145 nah your taste in movies is trash
@@RockStationForChrist calling Namir poorly written while BA is competent????
@@edmatias5609 yep that's the size of it. Wakanda Forever was trash tier.
i need black adam to be a villain, and the rock "not losing" policy is going to harm the character stories in long term
Given the performance of Black Adam at the box office, I imagine Johnson doesn't have nearly as much power in that relationship as he'd hope. If Black Adam had made upwards of 800M or so, he'd be able to at least say "see, this works", but the film has barely outgrossed Shazam on a much bigger budget in a world were ticket prices are higher. He can't even argue pandemic because Spiderman, Thor, Dr. Strange and Wakanda Forever have all made way more money. Even Thor 4, easily the worst of those four movies I listed is nearly double the revenue of Black Adam.
If Shazam 2 beats Black Adam at the box office, we may never see Black Adam in a movie again if the Rock plays hardball and demands his character be the star.
I hope James Gunn can get Dwayne Johnson on board with whatever plan he has in the works for Black Adam moving forward. If not, I wouldn't be upset if they recast Black Adam.
@@andrewshandle 384 million box office haul against the 230 million budget. Jesus... wept.
@@calebgriffy4585 they only keep 1/2 the box office, the other 1/2 goes to the theatres. Throw in advertising and it’ll lose like 50M
@@andrewshandle the 4 movies you mentioned are marvel movies and will sell more automatically no matter what it’s about
I feel like with Black Adam they tried to make him more of a hero with few disagreements with other heroes causing them to battle. For Namor by the end he's a hero to his people but villian to other people because of how he does it for the better of his people. The Fast and Furious problem brought up is mainly because of how outside of Superpets and Moana each Dwayne Johnson action adventure film feels the same thing everytime. Dwayne Johnson isn't an awful actor but most of his films are just the same thing every time
In other words they went the safe route
I hated the rivalry between black Adam and hawkman it's so stereotypical and you know the rock couldn't lose that fight because of the contract he has when making these movies his just stroking his ego call constantly trying to promote himself as this big strong guy all the time and I just hate it
@@mickeymouse7726 there was such a big opportunity for Hawkman to actually challenge BA b/c Nth Metal historically disrupts magic. Lack of stakes killed the tension for the movie...
Solution: have Dwayne stick to voice acting.
Someone put it best - Black Adam did an awesome job portraying Dwayne Johnson.
The movie had no stakes. No tension. We all knew Black Adam would “win” in the end.
The way the movie was written and shot made it so cheesy. Like knockoff versions of heroes we already know.
I did like Hawkman and Dr. Fate. I’ll give them that credit for the casting and look of those iconic characters.
And the end credit wasn’t much of a bang. I actually think Shazam showing up would’ve had more impact. Or maybe BA finding out of his existence. Or Batman or something.
Yea, Namor was written far better than Black Adam was. Namor had that real-world complexity of a leader that would commit great atrocities for the love of his people. Black Adam is basically Roman Reigns, he’s trying to be so pretentiously edgy but them kids just wanna play with him lol.
Black Adam: Acknowledge me!
You could argue Roman Reigns is more over than Black Adam was though. ;)
You will ACKNOWLEDGE you're tribal chief.
Black adam fanbois be like:
Namor was done perfect in the MCU
Ryan Coogler really writes the best anti-heroes and their motivations are clear and poignant. Moreover Tenoch Huerta is just a fantastic actor, you believed his love for his people and his rage against the surface world.
💯💯💯
Namor was such a great character. I thought he was an amazing leader, he was afraid for his people, and that’s why he was willing to do anything to protect them.
Namor actually think like 4D chess. He may realize the difference between technology gap between human and talokan, so he gamble but the results is win-win solution . talokan lose like he said became stronger through aliance because they can trade and share technology. if talokan win they Will gain technology and information
The final showdown was fantastic… Huerta did such an amazing job cause after all the brutal stuff Namor does during the movie you still feel the chills when Shuri cuts one of his wings or burns him.
The movie might as well had been a Namor movie haha. It could have worked without wakanda being a factor.
@Alifa Zhahrani
Nope
His main goal was to turn wakanda against the surface World which would inevitably result in the alliance and the destruction of the surface World
@@biazacha I fully agree Namor should always be seen as a hero to his people and that they showed him get beat up and he's as strong as the incredible Hulk
Tenoch Huerta did a fantastic job in portraying Namor. I’m so glad they changed the origin story of comic Namor!
It was extremely barebones...
Also identical to Aquaman's.
So I can see multiple reasons for changing it.
But hey, Namor was first!
Pointy ears and ankle wings:
Black Adam 0
Namor 1
I mean...Namor's speech to his people was...really interesting and powerful. Huerta really delivered.
watching Tenoch Huerta bring Namor to life was really magical, he's been one of my favorite characters and favorite characters to get angry at for so long and seeing him in a movie after all this time was awesome. really looking forward to seeing the future of the characters within mcu
That point about Val actually makes a lot of sense. Hadn't heard that POV before
as someone who's home country was literally the CIA's first successful coup, when she said "I literally DREAM about having vibranium"
I instantly knew what the Thunderbolts was going to be:
Destabilization, baybee
I think I missed something. What was the point made about Val?
@@phredbookley183 That her inclusion in the movie was necessary to prove Namor is correct in that other world powers wouldnt hesitate to destroy either Talocan or Wakanda to get their resources
@@vlance4033 ah yes. True. Thank you
She was a great villain without much screen time. Whenever I did see her I instantly hated her.
More than anything I love the Mesoamerica/Mayan design. Really wish to see Wakandans/Talokans interaction.
Namor does what black Adam only flirt on being
I really love how they gave Namor a modern/original take with him being from Talokan an his name being derived from El Niño Sin Amor
Embarrasing meaning of his name gave in WF.
Makes more sense by name it "El hijo Vengador" (The Avenging Son), more than "El niño sin amor" (The kid without Love).
Una verdadera vergüenza, y te lo dice un hispanohablante.
Es muy cursi para su historia, pobremente construido, demasiado victimista y sólo alguien ajeno al idioma del español pensaría que es "cool".
Lo peor de todo es que no hace ningún sentido en un contexto lingüístico para las creencias de la época 😒😒😒
Nailed it. BA never does anything morally questionable. The audience doesn’t flinch when he kills bad people because th eyre bad people. Bad people get killed in movies all the time. Namor was killing our heroes.
However you think Namor was portrayed, I think we can all agree that he was very hot.
🤣🤣 you're absolutely right
No lie. He’s a gorgeous man.
with a gut and no muscles 🤨
@@BillyBatsonMarvel
Well, if we're going to make it look like the comics, we would've needed someone like John Cena for a physique like it appears in some comics.
And Namor's build should be to the slender side, like a swimmer's since he's lives in the depths of the sea.
@@anaperez5442 Cena looks nothing like Prince Namor. Van Damme is too old but, Bloodsport Van Damme would have been perfect. John Cena is Captain America.
I never thought I'd be able to sit through a Namor portrayal where I actually feel for the guy. I know he's a beloved character, but I always get so frustrated with him in the comics. Grumpy shirtless universe killer.
Sounds like hulk lowkey
@@ahobbyist9520 ...I never thought of it that way... Now I need to see the Hulk with those dinky little wings on his giant green feet!
Hold up, he killed a whole UNIVERSE IN THE COMICS?!
@@windghost2 the incursion event leading up to secret wars 2015 the illuminate killed some universes to keep theirs safe there is much more to it but I dont wana spoil ya
@@windghost2 btw apart from doc strange and maybe a screaming black bolt none of the illuminate members are capable of outright destroying a universe
My jaw kinda dropped when you started mentioning the similarities between these two movies 😭
So glad to see more people see Namor as an anti hero. I don't understand why Namor gets labeled as a villain. Sure, he's an antagonist, but even if his methods are ruthless, his motivations and core values are identical to those of the heroes.
Because He is clearly a villain, a hero wouldn't genocide millions of people who aren't attacking you to protect thousands. Only a villain would Namlmor should be executed for crimes against humanity.
Tbh Black Adam was more of a reluctant hero than an anti-hero. They tried to put Hawkman as contrast but Hawkman just came across the world's most dogmatic virtuous man not the "normal" hero.
Does anyone else want MCU Namor to eventually meet another mutant who shares his views? Maybe one with a very magnetic personality?
I think the difference all comes down to what Dwayne Johnson wanted v. anything else. His interviews about Black Adam were exhausting to listen to as he talked about powerful he thinks Black Adam is and how he alone will destroy the world or save it. That's why Black Adam needed 50 different variations of "I'm not a hero" and "you aren't a hero" lines in the movie.
I LITERALLY just came back from watching Wakanda (absolutly loved it) found Namor so interesting and yeah, this video perfectly explains why. I hate what he did, but I totally understand why he did it.
Having a personality that is not just an extension of the actor helps
Imagine if they kept Hawkman's resurrection powers and used that as license for Black Adam to keep killing him in progressively hilarious ways. Obvs they'd have to change Fate's whole B-plot, but just imagine the movie that could've been.
Fate could have just been overconfident or in the wrong place at the wrong time and still died. His vision could have been misinterpreted or something. They definitely could have done the same thing without him trying to save Hawkman.
I think the resurrection would have been a great thing to add to the whole movie, especially his past self met Adam.
I honestly thought Hawkman's dead is gonna happen. At least that would make him all the more interesting than..rich dude with wings and mace.
@@tommale7631 actually in the behind the scenes of Black Adam, it is confirmed that Hawkman has that reincarnation origins.
That was my main gripe with Black Adam: they REALLY wanted to sell him as a morally grey hero who's willing to do what others aren't, but he never goes beyond a kinda grumpy demigod.
That is Black Adam in the cómics.
I cannot agree with this. He is portrayed like that in the comics.
@@Roxsleyimpfromhell He's portrayed as someone who only kills gangs, terrorists, and tyrants and doesn't rule his country by fear?
@@jlev1028 😂 Even tho it's kinda strange that his kid never killed the ruler before
@@jlev1028 If I followed well the story, YES.
Finally someone understood Val’s purpose in the movie! Val Riri and Ross all had purpose is really a top tier movie
Riri not so much though imo, she is kinda a macguffin in the movie. They could have explored the relationship between her and Shuri much further, about their loss and the brilliance they both have.
Yeah, RiRi felt very much like a “corporate” addition to Coogler’s story to set up Ironheart. It was definitely an added part to the movie for the unexpected rewrite.
@@HorrorbleCWalt Spider-Man in Civil War was pretty much the same, his part was much smaller though. But his motivation aligns with overall theme of the movie, hence why it was a much better fit
Val worked for sure. The only thing I would have tweaked about Ross is that he should've been an ambassador or something from the US to Wakanda.
@@chakryand I think the fact that he´s rescued at the end of the movie was a pathway for that to happen, if he has diplomatic immunity, probably granted by Wakanda though i don't really know how someone gains diplomatic immunity, he can go outside of Wakanda again and represent them without getting arrested.
Easily. Rock did fine, but Cougler is an excellent writer and director.
Turning "Namor" into synonym for No Love, was just brilliant.
In the comics it was just Roman in reverse.
Sorry but this Namor is better than the comic book character ever was.
As for the Rock - Love him, but his ego wrote a check his acting chops couldn't cash.
I think both comic and movie are too distinct to be compared, comic Namor have some absolutely iconic moments. But the point is… not every saga or version of a character works in live action and I think both BP movies understood this really well; Wakanda and Talocan are visually richer than most modern civilizations but you still feel it grounded and that reflects directly in their leaders.
The Rock could put on the performance of his career, DCU’s visual identity is not developed enough to pull off whole civilizations and make us care, besides the amazons that were ok all other attempts fell flat.
I I doubt that less than 1 hour of screentime in a movie where he isn't even the protagonist is better than more than 80 years of history
I wouldn't say so, the concept of "Namor" in the movies much more thought out.
But comics Namor has done so much already outside of just his basic introduction/concept that further flesh out his character. Like when the incursions happened, Namor was the one to pull the trigger and destroys an entire universe because the rest of the Illuminatis couldn't bring themselves to do it; He did it without any hesitation, anything to save his country.
I agree
I mean, you can't say a character is better just because the derivation of his name comes from a more meaningful place.
And if you want to talk about the meta-reason: It's not like MCU Namor's name is actually derived from "sin amor". It's derived from the comics where that is his name. His name was always going to be Namor regardless because that is his name in the comics. "Sin Amor" is just the reasoning they made up to make his name make sense in the movie.
Huh, we don't talk enough about how as a kid, Namor killed the Spanish Inquisition
Thank you for mentioning the importance of the scenes with Val. I've seen too many people dismiss the importance of those scenes to the larger story. Without them we'd only be able assume that other nations would attack. It'd remain an uncertainty if Namors warning would come true or not. But those scenes very clearly show Namor is right.
It's funny that two such similar characters should appear in movies at about the same time. The other thing I kept thinking about is how much the comics versions of Black Adam and Namor physically resemble each other. Seriously, they look like the same guy but with a different costume and powers
In comics people take concepts and designs all the time
The Submariner was amazing in this film. Can't wait to see more of him.
Con la brisa is one of the best scenes in movies period.
Namor feels like the only time I have seen an antagonist in a Marvel film rather than a Villain. Too many times Marvel films just feel like the 3 categories are: Hero, Villain, and obvious Hero that just doesn't know it yet, but once they punch the hero a few times they will switch sides.
Yes! He feels like the true first non evil antagonist
The closest to ever reach him was karli from fatws but they dropped the ball hard with her by changing her ideals each time
finally, FINALLY! someone mentioned that cap CLEARLY killed that guy without a doubt in probably one of the most brutal ways I've ever seen
As a Spanish speaker, I thank you for pronouncing Namor's name correctly. In the movie they named him in like three ways XD.
Well the character isn't Hispanic or Latino in the comics he's a white man, probably Roman cause he's king of Atlantis. It's ok to say his name in a non Spanish way cause that's his original name. Nay-more the submariner is how his name was originally pronounced even tho the new way sounds cooler with the Spanish flair to it
Bueno, así lo pronuncian los estadounidenses así que me pareció bien por ser culturas diferentes, es más un detalle que los de Talokan lo pronuncien como nosotros
@@SuperSaiyen64 Technically, he's not a specific race since he's a mutant fish man
@@SuperSaiyen64 Funny enough you say that cause Namor in the comics definitely and clearly has Asian features. He's a mutant, so he's not any human race, well ethnicity, but he's definitely not white...at all. Again, I'd say he's Asian in the comics. 😂😂😂
@@savonlofton his name is namor Mckenzie in the comics so definitely white with irish origins.
The rock is just the rock in all his movies now. There may be some fatigue to seeing that. That's why The Rundown to me is his best work. As for Namor in the MCU? Best character to come out of phase 4. Huerta really delivered. That scene where he descends to his throne and does the Kamehameha greeting with the ominous blaring horns soundtrack? So sick
Black Adam should have been introduced as the antagonist of the next Shazam film.
The Rock's Ego prevented that. He refuses to play anyone who loses fights.
@@ShadowSonic2so sick of him now. guy plays the same tough guy in every movie.
"...an animal person, a wise older mentor with a cool hat, flying technology girl and big guy" had me rolling 🤣
Not only was he a better Black Adam than Black Adam, he's a better Killmonger than Killmonger.
Their plans were roughly the same, but it's a lot easier to buy into Namor's logic (I think you're right, because of the presence of Val and the CIA plotline in addition to the so we'll done flashback scene).
Killmonger was a villain, the fact that you are comparing him to antiheroes shies how well-fleshed he was. He was supposed to be irredeemable but people could see where he was coming from. Namor works just as well as an antihero.
I was SHOCKED when Namor started killing people in the opening scene of the movie. Like, he MURDERED people with no mercy.
I was also shocked when Black Adam started gruesomely killing people, during which our food arrived and we were eating cheesy mozzarella sticks while burnt bodies and entrails appeared on screen.
The Black Adam deaths were brutul, but you're right. Namor's deaths were better and more shocking. I was SO confused as to why they kept on showing us Eternum weakening Black Adam when that never actually amounted to something. you'd think they were gonna use it on him. But they don't even use it when he's sent to prison!
Specially if you consider that, traditionally, Black Adam isn't an Anti hero, he's a straight up villain
Man I would love to see the Rock actually portray a villain. I believe he could do it if he ever took those "coolness" clauses out of his contract.
Tenoch Huerta is a type A actor. He will be nominated for an Oscar in the future. Plus for an actor that is Mexican of Mayan descent.
I’ve been saying this since I saw black panther. Everything I wanted in a Black Adam movie can be found in Namor from Wakanda Forever
I am excited for more Namor.
Na-more?
@@jonasquinn7977 na, more!
Someone needs to compare how Marvel fleshed out Talakon way better than DC did Atlantis in Aquaman again with those horrendous CGI.
I think an even better argument for an anti hero than Namor would be Erik Kilmonger. Half the audience chose Chadwick's BP, and the other half that understood the truth, sided with Kilmonger. The same argument can be said over Professor X and Magneto.
This is the comment I've been looking for. It's strange because Chadwick specifically stated that he sees Erik Killmonger as the protagonist in the first film, and people hardly talk about it.
So the rock basically has a plot armor contract
Fr and it’s kinda hurt his portrayal of the character tbh. Hopefully James Gunn or someone at DC ends up reminding him of what Black Adam’s supposed to stand for to his people.
The problem is guys like The Rock and Will Smith cannot play bad guys. They won’t let themselves been seen in a specific light. Even in film.
Will Smith played Satan in a movie a few years ago.
@@ShadowSonic2
He also was neo but turned it down
How Namor was portrayed in Black Panther is what should have been the portrayal of Black Adam.
I like The Rock but he didn't gave justice to his character
Doesn’t Black Adam supposed to have pointed ears, also?
Yeah. Maybe the rock didn't want to wear them?
His also supposed to be middle eastern but instead they cast the rock to play him who just plays himself in every filmhe couldn't even be bothered to do a middle eastern accent
@@lightdarksoul2097 I mean tbf the dude doesn’t have hair anymore so ig he thought it’d look weird
Yeah. I wonder why they decided to not at least give him the pointy ears? I bet Dwayne Johnson could've pulled it off. I also doubt it's to keep it "realistic" because he's supposed to be a human, but come on, in a universe where a 5th dimensional being that idolizes Batman exists does it really matter?
@@duck-ew5zs I think it's simply wasn't comfortable enough for the Rock? I mean we never seen him take a job where he had to wear any prostetic or makeup
I'm wondering if it has anything to do with how long Black Adam was in production? I feel like pre Avengers he would have worked as a more solid anti-hero on the basis of fighting the other heroes, but now that's basically just how superheroes say hi in these things.
Nah fans just wanted comic accurate. He's a villain to everyone, but his people
Nando whatever u do keep talkin that talk my boy!!!!! U are the voice the community needs sir
Black Adam has the attitude of an anti-hero but doesn't actually do the things that an anti-hero does
I knew he was going to do amazing since the show Narcos Mexico. His passion shows on screen.
Yeah it felt like they were trying way too hard to froce this idea that he's an 'anti hero' but he honestly just seemed like a pretty decent guy. I actually felt like the JSA were the ones who kept constantly antagonizing him and pushing his buttons.
Nisiquiera tiene sentido no veo a la jsa criticando a batfleck por matar
Not to mention they let Namor run around in underwear, awesome lol
I never looked at Val's role like that until you pointed it out. Now I have a better appreciation for her character. Excellent point, Mr. Nando v Movies! (Not to be confused with Mr. Sunday Movies!)
Rodney!
She did say that she dreams about vibranium. My guess is that in Thunderbolts she is going to do with Wakanda and use Bucky to get it
Dr. Fate being reduced to "a wise older mentor with a cool hat" makes me sad. I haven't seen Black Adam yet but is that how he's portrayed in it?
It’s an over simplification but yeah he kinda is just the wise mentor, but he’s still a cool character
Namor is more of a centrist a person who’s motivation is based on self interest. He has teamed up with other Marvel heroes but he’s also teamed with villains like Doctor Doom. Namor is just in it for himself and what he wants.
Namor actually think like 4D chess. He may realize the difference between technology gap between human and talokan, so he gamble but the results is win-win solution . talokan lose like he said became stronger through aliance because they can trade and share technology. if talokan win they Will gain technology and information
Self interest as in the interest of his people?
@@BeautifulEarthJa Yep.
Quite a spectacular analysis, makes me fear that when a namor movie comes out they will remove all the features introduced in Black Panther 2 because "that's not something a protagonic hero does"
Ever since I saw this movie like 2 days after it came out I've been saying exactly this, I usually phrase it like "Man Black Panther 2 really went and gave us a better adaptation of Black Adam than the Black Adam movie did."
I think Namor held back a lot with Wakanda and Shuri because he eventually wanted them as an ally. His whole intent was to work with Shuri and not Ramonda so I doubt he feels any guilt over removing her. He probably felt that she was the obstacle to a would be union between Wakanda and Talokan and at the end we find this to be true. I think he waited to see what Shuri would choose and chose not to attempt fighting back. Seeding his mom in her was a sign to him to accept her terms.
I knew the rock was gonna pull this stunt turning black Adam a villain into a antihero more so hero. Everyone was on his hype train and it backfired. Same thing happened with Mystique and Harley Quinn.
I’d say it kinda works for Harley Quinn
DC turned him into antihero in the 2000's.
Namor was a far better villain than Killmonger, because unlike Killmonger, Namor's goal, motivation, backstory are all in accord and consistent, he never hates the world, he just has no love for it
From begining to end he has always been someone who wants to protect his people, and ever since Wakanda compromised Talokan by revealing vibranium to the world, Namor plans to wage war on the surface world before they invade Talokan over vibranium first, which the movie even shown that Wakanda was attacked by the rest of the world multiple times for the same reason
It makes perfect sense that he will give Wakanda the ultimatum, because if Wakanda denied the alliance, then Talokan has no chance winning the war against the surface world with Wakanda be on the other side, so the only tactical decision that makes sense is to destry Wakanda first, then the rest of the world pose no threat without Wakanda's support
In the end his goal is still the same, but after the truce now his plan is to wait for the surface world to eventually wage war on Wakanda, so they will come to their only ally Talokan for help, then he can destroy the world together with Wakanda under a just cause
I’d argue that Namor Killmonger are foils of each other. One operates violently because of a lack of love for a world he is a part of and love for his people, the other acts violently due to a hatred and rage against a world that literally took everything he loved. They’re similar.
Kilmonger has the same points throughout the film:
He wants to rule wakanda so he can help black people in the outside world.
He sees the world as the enemy and won’t stop till it burns.
It’s pretty consistent throughout the story. Blaming the world is childish BUT that’s the whole point. Kilmonger is still that same little boy who saw his father dead on the ground years later
This thread is why I love both Killmonger and Namor and why I believe they are perfect antagonists to T'Challa and Shuri Respectively.
@@kingkong9892 only Killmonger has no real connection to his motives outside of blatant racism. He only cares about black people because of their skin color and hates white people because of their skin color as well. That's basically his entire character. Unlike Namor he wasn't raised in Wakanda or entrusted as it's ruler he has no real connection to Wakanda outside of his father. If anything he has more reason to hate Wakanda than white people since it was wakandans that killed his father and that's the only piece of backstory we get for Killmonger. Killmonger was never remotely close to the antihero line he's probably one of the most irredeemable villians in the MCU on the same tier as Red skull
@@OK-yy6qz Idk if everything went over your head but he doesn’t love all black people. His motive is to make wakanda the ruling kingdom of the world because he feels that if they don’t conquer others, others will conquer them and because he feels the US is corrupt and needs to be taken down. He also feels wakanda hasn’t done enough to help these struggling people in the USA and sees wakandans (black people) as hypocrites. So his motive is to conquer the rest of the world and by doing this fox wakandas ways. This is the part of his motive that’s evil but you can see where he’s coming from sort of. But it is really just a cover that allows him to take his anger out on the world. Namor and kilmonger have similar motives, they both want to conquer the rest of the world before it conquers them but Namor does it from a wholesome place of protecting his people while Kilmonger really just wants power and control so he can take out his anger on the rest of the world.
The Rock is too high on himself to be able to make himself "look bad". That's why he's not really an actor, he's an action hero. It's like Stallone or Schwarzenegger.
That's because it wasn't black adam it was Dwayne Johnson playing Dwayne Johnson in a superhero costume
That’s how I felt.
The thing is that instead Dwayne was jus playing himself instead of Black Adam
“Hey come on now! Thanos has rights!” 🤣🤣🤣
A fascinating comparison! I loved Namor, and I love the little nuances that Wakanda Forever showcased.
Tenoch was super hot as Namor. Perfect casting. The way he delivered those lines on point. He is Namor
Apparently Namor's people are called the Talokanil
They probably didn't want to call them Atlanteans in the movie to avoid comparisons to Aquaman.
@@LincolnDWard That was definitely a big part of it, but I also love the Meso-American vibe that they chose. It felt so natural.
Namor was scary in BP2
One of my favorite characteristics of Namor was when he would come out of the water, he would slick his hair up. Idk, it just looks asthetically cool, and you know he does it to show off because whenever he gets out of the water during a fight, he doesn't do it.
The people of Talokan are officially called as "Talokanil", "Talokanils" for plurality.
I was excited hearing superman would be back and reprise his role in black adam. But after the credits rolled and made it back to my house I was struck by overwhelming grief as the reality of the situation hit me. The Rock is playing Black Adam. The same rock who derailed and split up a franchise because he couldn't be punched one more time than another actor. The same rock who can't lose a fight because his "brand" has become a "macho man". Suddenly the concept of a Black Adam/Superman movie where they go to toe to toe has died as quickly as it was born. The Rock kills any excitement I had moving forward because if he was in a JL movie I'm sure he would have a whole scene where he either flat out stomps Darkseid or Darkseid "beats him" (knocks him out or some bs) and then at the end Black Adam comes back and finishes it. It's really worrying
BRUH THEY MADE THE FEET WINGS WORK
Not only did they make it work, they incorporated it into his fighting style.
Sure Namor flies, but if you notice it's a very different kind of flying from traditional flying characters like Superman, Thor, and Iron Man.
The way he moves while flying will actually make you believe that it is those little wings in his feet that are generating lift.
@@WebbedManiac yeah! It sort of looks like he’s running, it’s very cool
My favourite anti-hero is Arthur Morgan.
Love your video! I’m so looking forward on seeing more Namor!!!
3:04 actually this makes a lot of sense.. black adam and namor have a lot in common.. they are heroes to their nations but their nation relation to the rest of the world is rather complicated.. if done correctly this could be very relevant to today world.
There's an argument going around that Namor is actually an "anti-villain," which is basically a villain with a moral code (rather than a hero that lacks one). Thoughts on this seemingly new classification?
It's not new. He would probably qualify as such if he is sympathetic enough.
I love that convo between Shuri and Namor. It just boils down to "these were my human mother's beads. Take them and lets destroy the surface world"
Boiled down to three words that every creative probably knows: show, don't tell.
Black Adam exposits A LOT (Rashoman style story-telling or not), Wakanda Forever does not (at least, when it comes to Talokan. Namor's backstory on the other hand...).
I LOVE Namor. He really is the perfect anti hero. In BPWF you really feel the threat level that the Submariner brings especially when he invades Wakanda twice. But I feel like Namor cares about his people more than Black Adam. (My opinion)
I see Namor as a king that is actually scared to loose or fail his kingdom therefore he will do ANYTHING to protect them.
namor was so cool in bp2. i hope he keeps the same swag in future movies
After watching both movies, I had exact same thought too!
So awesome Namor is in live action now :)