That is so true - I think suffering of some kind is felt by most animals. There is a whole science about it in fact and a research group on animal suffering at Cambridge university which used to be led by Prof Don Broom - he was my tutor when I was at Reading University 40+ years ago and I still remember him:Professor Donald Broom is an emeritus professor at Cambridge University who specialized in animal welfare. He is known for developing methods to assess animal welfare and for his research into animal behavior, cognition, and emotions.
The plural of octopus is octopi. Is it time to concede that a “Supreme Creative Force” engineered life to thrive here on earth? It makes sense. Much more than everything happening by chance and random mutations.
The case is still out on whether life on Earth came from space or whether it was at least in some way influenced by material from space. You’d have thought that the plural was Octopi but that is a Latin plural and the original word is Greek so Octopuses is nearer the Greek plural as the Oxford English Dictionary explains: The plural of octopus in the Oxford English Dictionary is "octopuses". The Oxford English Dictionary also lists "octopi" and "octopodes", but states that "octopuses" is the standard plural. Explanation The word "octopus" comes from Greek, where the original plural was "octopodes". In English, the plural is formed by adding an "es" to the end of the word, following the English formation of plurals. The plural "octopuses" became more common in the nineteenth century. The plural "octopi" is often used incorrectly because people assume it's formed like Latin loanwords, such as "fungus/fungi". However, the letter "i" as a suffix to indicate a plural noun only applies to words with Latin roots
Ha yes you could see it that way. But if life is a winning lottery ticket you stand much more chance of winning with multiple entries and every planet the right distance from its sun ( the Goldilocks zone) and rich in water is a life lottery entry. In our galaxy alone there are perhaps 20 billion of those:ua-cam.com/video/X2XR8z6usK8/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Intriguing thesis in this film and one that I have often pondered when looking up at our vast universe...... and the octopus is most worthy of the "alien" moniker.
The more I think of it the more plausible it seems - if life is a winning lottery ticket then the more times it entered the greater the chance of winning. Over 1000 Goldilocks planets ( the right distance from their star) like ours have been identified to date. All are entries in that life lottery.
I agree with you that presently the standard of AI voices ( at least those you can get as an individual rather than something Google is researching) isn’t great. As a radio and television producer for nearly 40 years and starting as a professionally trained BBC sound engineer I can certainly hear the difference. I do use AI but try to be careful to declare it when I do as you will see on other videos in Indoona - it’s an incredible tool, especially for independent creators with little budget. I enjoy the animations etc that you can now make very easily and it’s really helpful in adding interesting visuals ( but usually I label that as ‘reconstruction' or put AI label on it - because it’s important to know what’s real and what isn’t). So yes that really is my own voice - I’m worried now that I talk like an AI lol
@drunkndisorderly83 im honestly just playing along x) i love conspiracy videos that aren't secretly racist but are just beautiful nonsense. As for something strange. Maybe when people in prehistory made tools from meteor metal :) ?
@drunkndisordely83 Thanks I like neverending jeopardy.. oh wait it's the story of my life. Anyway wadda you know this came up today: edition.cnn.com/2025/01/29/science/asteroid-bennu-building-blocks-of-life/index.html
@sweetkitty4427 I also think 'beautiful nonsense' is a lovely phrase. Maybe that's what this is but there seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence for some kind of life influence from space and it can be tested, and there will be more evidence, and it is science - published in peer reviewed papers and researched by respected organisations like NASA. ( This again by chance from BBC and CNN today, 29th January 2025 : edition.cnn.com/2025/01/29/science/asteroid-bennu-building-blocks-of-life/index.html ). Prof Brian Cox (BBC The Planets etc) suggests there are perhaps 20 billion habitable planets in our galaxy alone. If life is a winning lottery ticket then the more tickets you buy, the greater chance of winning (of course). Every one of those habitable planets, the right distance from their sun and with lots of water, is a life-lottery entry. We know microorganisms survive in space and Prof Brian Cox suggests they could for the millions of years necessary to travel between stars. We have never found any microorganisms of space origin (yet) but today's news from NASA about the Bennu asteroid shows that at least large parts of DNA and RNA (the bases or the nucleobases as they are called) have rained down from space in meteorites. If (big IF at the moment) they also carry retroviruses from space those will likely get into Earth life genomes (even if they didn't kick off life here in the first place). Your idea about iron age people using meteorite metal is spot on. In fact it may have given them the idea of smelting bog iron (bits of solidified high grade iron ore from bog water that look like meteorites). Again by chance I am doing a documentary on iron age bog people and that will come into it too. There is a sneak preview here on Indoona and I have nearly completed a further 40 minute edit: ua-cam.com/video/FFdGlQj_cbk/v-deo.html
Well as long as you considered the evidence, read the science papers, watched the NASA videos and took note of their findings and perhaps satisfied yourself that theories of how life started on Earth are good then you have tested and analyzed the evidence and found it wanting, and I would say that’s a perfectly reasonable conclusion and in fact most of science would be with you although it hasn’t been shown to be true or false as yet.
@@IndoonaOceans Right, octopus are from outer space. That's your "reasonable conclusion"? If you could, please answer this - why have most Americans lost their minds?
Ha well I can see why you think that because at face value it sounds unlikely. I’m actually putting the current arguments from science for and against and not concluding either way - because you can’t as there isn’t enough evidence either way yet. Also what’s suggested is that there may have been some influence from space material - whether that started life here or was just very small bits of genetic code inserted via retroviruses, or had indeed nothing to do with it, is not known.Neither are any of the theories of how life was supposed to have started on Earth. If life is a winning lottery ticket then you stand more chance with multiple entries. Every planet in the universe the right distance from its sun and with plenty of water is a life lottery entry. It’s been estimated there are 20 billion such planets in our galaxy alone making the chances of life arising hugely greater than on just one planet ( see link below) , and we know from space station experiments that microorganisms survive in space. As for how Americans vote for Trump I tend to agree. It is perhaps when there is an imbalance between people who are very powerful and people who feel very powerless?
Ah I just saw that you thought I was saying octopus from space was a reasonable conclusion when actually I was saying the opposite - that if you have looked at the evidence and found it is wrong then that's a reasonable conclusion and the majority would agree with you.
As you know science moves forwards by testing hypotheses that are put forward as possible explanations. If those explanations have demonstrable evidence then there may be something in them. One can look at evidence for and against and start to get some idea for whether a hypothesis has any validity. That’s actually science not pseudoscience.
Well I don’t mean this to be a competition for who wins this discussion because that’s what it is - just a discussion for and against where I mention at least twice that it’s a far out idea that is not widely accepted in biology. However, there is a gathering amount of circumstantial evidence for what is known as panspermia, and indeed it has been put forward by many researchers in biology (35 in the 2018 review paper mentioned and cited in the description below this video too). Three bits of evidence, none definite, are relevant: 1) The building blocks of RNA have been discovered by a Japanese research team on the NASA sampled Ryugu asteroid in 2023 2) microorganisms survive space radiation 3) retrovirus infection can insert new DNA sections into the genome which then become part of the organism. We ourselves have 5-8% of so- called remnant retroviral DNA in our genome. Most people assume, for good reasons, that is from Earth based retroviruses- but what if it’s not? Fred Hoyle - the scientist who coined the term Big Bang - thought that life was so unlikely it needed to have the whole universe as a pool to start. Professor Brian Cox (BBC presenter on the Planets series etc) points out that there are 20 billion habitable planets in our galaxy alone - each one a potential ticket in the very long odds of the life lottery. I did do a PhD in Zoology a way back and while that may not count for much it does mean I’ve read thousands of research papers and respect the idea of peer review - that they have been vetted by other scientists who agree that there is something of use in their publication. You can see my sources cited below the video. Maybe it is hogwash but if you wash a hog you can see more clearly what sort of a hog it is! Lol
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Very intelligent creatures. I won't ever eat one again.
Oh I don’t know a nice bit of tapas now and then… there are more squid in the sea than fish and most things eat them!
😂😂😂
u dont need to be a high intelligent animal to suffer and know that ur dying/getting eat
That is so true - I think suffering of some kind is felt by most animals. There is a whole science about it in fact and a research group on animal suffering at Cambridge university which used to be led by Prof Don Broom - he was my tutor when I was at Reading University 40+ years ago and I still remember him:Professor Donald Broom is an emeritus professor at Cambridge University who specialized in animal welfare. He is known for developing methods to assess animal welfare and for his research into animal behavior, cognition, and emotions.
The plural of octopus is octopi. Is it time to concede that a “Supreme Creative Force” engineered life to thrive here on earth? It makes sense. Much more than everything happening by chance and random mutations.
The case is still out on whether life on Earth came from space or whether it was at least in some way influenced by material from space. You’d have thought that the plural was Octopi but that is a Latin plural and the original word is Greek so Octopuses is nearer the Greek plural as the Oxford English Dictionary explains: The plural of octopus in the Oxford English Dictionary is "octopuses". The Oxford English Dictionary also lists "octopi" and "octopodes", but states that "octopuses" is the standard plural.
Explanation
The word "octopus" comes from Greek, where the original plural was "octopodes".
In English, the plural is formed by adding an "es" to the end of the word, following the English formation of plurals.
The plural "octopuses" became more common in the nineteenth century.
The plural "octopi" is often used incorrectly because people assume it's formed like Latin loanwords, such as "fungus/fungi". However, the letter "i" as a suffix to indicate a plural noun only applies to words with Latin roots
@@IndoonaOceans Well said, teacher.
"Why don't we take the problem of origin of life on Earth, and push it somewhere else?"
-Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe, probably
Ha yes you could see it that way. But if life is a winning lottery ticket you stand much more chance of winning with multiple entries and every planet the right distance from its sun ( the Goldilocks zone) and rich in water is a life lottery entry. In our galaxy alone there are perhaps 20 billion of those:ua-cam.com/video/X2XR8z6usK8/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Intriguing thesis in this film and one that I have often pondered when looking up at our vast universe...... and the octopus is most worthy of the "alien" moniker.
The more I think of it the more plausible it seems - if life is a winning lottery ticket then the more times it entered the greater the chance of winning. Over 1000 Goldilocks planets ( the right distance from their star) like ours have been identified to date. All are entries in that life lottery.
And they have copper based blood.
Good point - everything in the sea is pretty different than what we know on land.
One of the best ai readers I've heard, complete hogwash tho, and it reads numbers wrong still. Posting a fake name at start was a nice touch.
How odd that you think that. Try reading my book 'The Whale In The Living Room'
@IndoonaOceans no, why bother. If you can't narrate yourself. Ai sucks sounds and feels weird always will. Pease go away click farmer tyty
I agree with you that presently the standard of AI voices ( at least those you can get as an individual rather than something Google is researching) isn’t great. As a radio and television producer for nearly 40 years and starting as a professionally trained BBC sound engineer I can certainly hear the difference. I do use AI but try to be careful to declare it when I do as you will see on other videos in Indoona - it’s an incredible tool, especially for independent creators with little budget. I enjoy the animations etc that you can now make very easily and it’s really helpful in adding interesting visuals ( but usually I label that as ‘reconstruction' or put AI label on it - because it’s important to know what’s real and what isn’t). So yes that really is my own voice - I’m worried now that I talk like an AI lol
I meant to add this link about the number of planets where life could start in our galaxy: ua-cam.com/video/X2XR8z6usK8/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared.
Stranger things have happened
Please provide a single example. I'll provide the neverending loop of jeopardy music.
@drunkndisorderly83 im honestly just playing along x) i love conspiracy videos that aren't secretly racist but are just beautiful nonsense.
As for something strange. Maybe when people in prehistory made tools from meteor metal :) ?
@IndoonaOceans i like the iron age :D but the bronze age is my favourite. I will keep an eye open
@drunkndisordely83 Thanks I like neverending jeopardy.. oh wait it's the story of my life. Anyway wadda you know this came up today: edition.cnn.com/2025/01/29/science/asteroid-bennu-building-blocks-of-life/index.html
@sweetkitty4427 I also think 'beautiful nonsense' is a lovely phrase. Maybe that's what this is but there seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence for some kind of life influence from space and it can be tested, and there will be more evidence, and it is science - published in peer reviewed papers and researched by respected organisations like NASA. ( This again by chance from BBC and CNN today, 29th January 2025 : edition.cnn.com/2025/01/29/science/asteroid-bennu-building-blocks-of-life/index.html ).
Prof Brian Cox (BBC The Planets etc) suggests there are perhaps 20 billion habitable planets in our galaxy alone. If life is a winning lottery ticket then the more tickets you buy, the greater chance of winning (of course). Every one of those habitable planets, the right distance from their sun and with lots of water, is a life-lottery entry. We know microorganisms survive in space and Prof Brian Cox suggests they could for the millions of years necessary to travel between stars. We have never found any microorganisms of space origin (yet) but today's news from NASA about the Bennu asteroid shows that at least large parts of DNA and RNA (the bases or the nucleobases as they are called) have rained down from space in meteorites. If (big IF at the moment) they also carry retroviruses from space those will likely get into Earth life genomes (even if they didn't kick off life here in the first place).
Your idea about iron age people using meteorite metal is spot on. In fact it may have given them the idea of smelting bog iron (bits of solidified high grade iron ore from bog water that look like meteorites). Again by chance I am doing a documentary on iron age bog people and that will come into it too. There is a sneak preview here on Indoona and I have nearly completed a further 40 minute edit: ua-cam.com/video/FFdGlQj_cbk/v-deo.html
What I think? This is one of the most ridiculous videos I've clicked on to date.
Well as long as you considered the evidence, read the science papers, watched the NASA videos and took note of their findings and perhaps satisfied yourself that theories of how life started on Earth are good then you have tested and analyzed the evidence and found it wanting, and I would say that’s a perfectly reasonable conclusion and in fact most of science would be with you although it hasn’t been shown to be true or false as yet.
@@IndoonaOceans Right, octopus are from outer space. That's your "reasonable conclusion"? If you could, please answer this - why have most Americans lost their minds?
@@JamaicaWhiteManYou are a Jamaican White Man. Aliens ARE real.
Ha well I can see why you think that because at face value it sounds unlikely. I’m actually putting the current arguments from science for and against and not concluding either way - because you can’t as there isn’t enough evidence either way yet. Also what’s suggested is that there may have been some influence from space material - whether that started life here or was just very small bits of genetic code inserted via retroviruses, or had indeed nothing to do with it, is not known.Neither are any of the theories of how life was supposed to have started on Earth.
If life is a winning lottery ticket then you stand more chance with multiple entries. Every planet in the universe the right distance from its sun and with plenty of water is a life lottery entry. It’s been estimated there are 20 billion such planets in our galaxy alone making the chances of life arising hugely greater than on just one planet ( see link below) , and we know from space station experiments that microorganisms survive in space.
As for how Americans vote for Trump I tend to agree. It is perhaps when there is an imbalance between people who are very powerful and people who feel very powerless?
Ah I just saw that you thought I was saying octopus from space was a reasonable conclusion when actually I was saying the opposite - that if you have looked at the evidence and found it is wrong then that's a reasonable conclusion and the majority would agree with you.
Pseudo-scientific nonsense
As you know science moves forwards by testing hypotheses that are put forward as possible explanations. If those explanations have demonstrable evidence then there may be something in them. One can look at evidence for and against and start to get some idea for whether a hypothesis has any validity. That’s actually science not pseudoscience.
@@IndoonaOceans Please go ahead and talk about the validity of this with an actual biologist. And do us all a favour and get the mockery on film.
Well I don’t mean this to be a competition for who wins this discussion because that’s what it is - just a discussion for and against where I mention at least twice that it’s a far out idea that is not widely accepted in biology. However, there is a gathering amount of circumstantial evidence for what is known as panspermia, and indeed it has been put forward by many researchers in biology (35 in the 2018 review paper mentioned and cited in the description below this video too). Three bits of evidence, none definite, are relevant: 1) The building blocks of RNA have been discovered by a Japanese research team on the NASA sampled Ryugu asteroid in 2023 2) microorganisms survive space radiation 3) retrovirus infection can insert new DNA sections into the genome which then become part of the organism. We ourselves have 5-8% of so- called remnant retroviral DNA in our genome. Most people assume, for good reasons, that is from Earth based retroviruses- but what if it’s not? Fred Hoyle - the scientist who coined the term Big Bang - thought that life was so unlikely it needed to have the whole universe as a pool to start. Professor Brian Cox (BBC presenter on the Planets series etc) points out that there are 20 billion habitable planets in our galaxy alone - each one a potential ticket in the very long odds of the life lottery. I did do a PhD in Zoology a way back and while that may not count for much it does mean I’ve read thousands of research papers and respect the idea of peer review - that they have been vetted by other scientists who agree that there is something of use in their publication. You can see my sources cited below the video. Maybe it is hogwash but if you wash a hog you can see more clearly what sort of a hog it is! Lol