The Perfect Chaos of Super Sonic
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Unoriginal, derivative, and one of the best things to ever happen to the Sonic franchise. Let's talk about Super Sonic and why it doesn't hurt to have a little chaos in your life.
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To me, Super Sonic always represented a similar mental/physical dynamic to super saiyan. A hero's personal peace and resolve within the chaos of their own body. Sonic and Goku are the types of heroes that can harness the chaos around them to bring about harmony rather than it corrupting them. They become the chaos, but as you say, in their hands, it is not a horror, but a spectacle of change.
_We gotta love the well made golden warriors._
What are your thoughts on Hyper forms in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Strider?
That's a really neat way to look at it, Strider!
I agree. In my opinion, Super Sonic is much cooler because after the Buu Saga in Dragon Ball Z, Toryama forgot the brilliance of the Super Saiyan Form. Besides, Super Sonic losing in an epic showdown is rare because of how powerful he is in that state.
sadly no original supersonic is a insane psyco killer go look up fleetway supersonic :)
Something about modern Sonics design that I really like is his red eyes. I’ve always seen that as an expression of greater power, the same coloration given to Hyper Sonics eyes in the classics iirc. I’ve always interpreted that as the Super Form growing with the Emeralds during S3&K, and when they return to their Chaos states from that of their Super ones…they haven’t lost an OUNCE of power.
But yeah, a Hyper Go-On infused Sonic would make a great Hyper Form. I mean…They’re called HYPER GO-ON’S. JUST MAKE A HYPER FORM WITH THE WISPS-
Aren't Hyper Sonic's eyes green?
@@x-mighty7602 It might just be my memory from Sonic 3 AIR, and not the original, but Hyper has red eyes there.
I think all types of wisp can be infused into super Sonic so he can go hyper and do basically a perfect final color blaster.
Small note : Hyper sonic actually has 2 differeny color sets, the rainbow one we already know, but it can also be a silver/white one. Since all colors of the rainbow when mixed together results in the color white
You can't make fan comics have the flashing colors, there isnt two color sets just one and a "good enough" solid white color for the comics
I was a late riser with sonic. First game was Sonic Adventure DX on the GameCube. I will never NOT lose my shit whenever I hear that Crush 40 Open Your Heart turn on. SUPERB video as usual Nick
“Why Super Sonic matters.”
Sega from 2012-2020: I’ll ignore that.
IDW Comics: Time to awaken the being that was dorment for years.
I am surprised you didn't mention the importance of Tikal's prayer when it comes to harnessing the power of Chaos, especially relating it to Super Sonic.
*Chaos is power, enriched by the heart. The controller serves to unify the chaos.*
As you mentioned we see two different sides of Chaos being used. One to destroy anything and everything in it's path, and the other to protect.
I don't usually comment on videos but I just wanted to say how much I really like your videos and how they sometimes give me a whole new perspective on the Sonic series and thus makes me appreciate it even more. I really love Super Sonic because I feel like he represents the overcoming of our obstacles and challenges, throughout our adventure we sometimes die or fail but we keep persevering through it all because we are determined to get to the end. I remember trying to get Super Sonic in Sonic 2 and constantly failing because I kept getting hit by bombs and ending up not getting enough rings but I tried to remember the layout of the special stages and kept on trying to get the Chaos Emeralds until I eventually did and was rewarded with Super Sonic. I really love the Perfect Chaos fight in particular because Perfect Chaos is made out of water and Sonic's weakness is not being able to swim, which kinda goes back to what I said about Super Sonic representing us growing as people and overcoming what we once feared and getting through tough times which is really cool imo. Though, this could be just how I see it.
that meme at the start with chaos lol someone needs to take that clip but then in every clip theres chaos from sonic adventure
Only answer I have for your question, I enjoy listening to you talk about Sonic, and Dinos. Videos are always entertaining, and I always learn something new.
Who needs a documentary? I got this channel.
i love when he digs extremely deep into stuff in the sonic games
he's like an english teacher but this time they're actually talking about something i care about
Imagine Sonic's reaction when he first turned super.
"I'm invincible and golden! I can even fly! Hell yea-whoa wait wait wait WAIT!" *accidentally barrels through a mountain*
When I think of chaos I think of chaos from sky landers.
Never got ss in the classics as a kid. My first time seeing it was sa1.
That was THE hypest shit, and I love how your video channels that energy with the dramatic timing where open your heart kicks in. Oh it was just a fantastic moment. Very, very well played.
Take a shot every time he says chaos
That might actually kill you, be careful
I don't think you're looking too into it at all!! I love this thought on it! I never thought about his super form like this. Hearing this just makes the blue hedgehog sounds so awesome how he already is!
I think it’s possible the red eyes of Super Sonic could’ve originally been intended to be the invert of sonic’s green eyes
Chaos?? Don't make me call an Inquisitor. Don't wanna have to call an Exterminatus
Him : Talks About Super Sonic
UA-cam : Yep, Hes Playin' Sonic Adventure Alright
Perfect chaos was probably chosen to be water is because... you know... Labyrinth zone speaks for itself...
I loved your credits monologue
The first game I’ve ever had fun with was sonic since I was 3 I was playing lots of sonic well mostly watching the cartoon but I use to play more games but nothing stuck to me more than sonic I played almost every game except sonic racing and sadly sa dx and forces but I still loved it it still is my favorite game and it would still be my favorite :D
8:18 God dam it, why did that joke get me
Why its the best time of the day when i Play S3&K while listening to your Vids? because both is sick as hell
Super Sonic is indeed Perfect Chaos. Sonic has power that not only comes from positive traits, but also negative traits, such as rage and hate. But like you said, he never loses himself to it but is fueled by it's power. As an agent of chaos myself, yes, embrace it but don't let it consume you. You'd be surprised what is possible if you use your emotions in a productive way.
Remember when Super Sonic's eyes stayed green like a super Saiyan instead of red
I always love these videos of yours. Keep up the good work man!
Given YuGiOhs take on Chaos through DM via the Millennium Items and Ritual monsters somewhat which it expand upon in YGO ZeXaL I love how the Japanese handle the concept of Chaos. It's not evil, it's not destruction even when it have those qualities Chaos to be used for personal growth for characters as it can also have positive effects just as much as it can have negative effects on a person.
And we've seen that throughout Sonics lore from the storylines and hell Super Sonic and Werehog could be considered the positive and negative effects of Sonic using Chaos (granted Sonic wasn't corrupted by thr Werehog form, but it's debut was the result of Eggman messing with the Chaos Emeralds)
Feel good vibes all around in this video. Fantastic video! Happy 30th Sonic fans!
I like the idea that the Sonic team thought of Super Sonic as "If you play as Sonic long enough we'll let you play as Goku". It's just a funny scene in my mind.
now you just gave a life lesson near at the end thanks i needed one like actually now i can see the importance of super sonic its not just something sick no. its way more i dont know how to describe its something. but all i know is im wasting my life commenting on this video and not watching fleet ways story thats not even here on the channel
The first time I discovered supersonic or even knew what it was I didn't know you could actually get it in the game but the first time I actually used supersonic was at the end of generations which they integrated him perfectly into the series and yes I'm kind of in supersonic as his own person cuz he gets more calm cool and collective than normal Sonic and that transformation was awesome the green to red eyes the blue to yellow fur just him floating off the ground was amazing I loved it I couldn't get enough of it and I love playing him in the game and you had to sacrifice points to your special score thing to access him and I loved it and I wish they'd do something like that in the future
I kinda like fleetway super sonic, and I’m fairly certain that had the comic continued it probably would have shifted to the more controlled and calm style you enjoy.
But to be fair I grew up on the idea that chaos as a power up is essentially sacrificing control for power. And only with significant effort can you get both power and control.
Super Saiyan, is cool. Super Sonic is cool. I always loved super sonic as a final chapter story, the last hope. I know you can't do it all the time, but I like the same shit over and over again with a new spin. Great video.
i wish they would make him go super for final bosses again, he hasn't done it since 2011
"THERES NO COPYTIGHT CLAIM IN THE WORLD THAT'S GONNA STOP ME!" -sonic, sonic colors.
I just now noticed the pun in the title. That tells you how dumb I am.
Okie so you’ve done super sonic, but what’s your thoughts on dark super sonic and would you do a video on it?
I just realized chaos final form look like a Godzilla villain. I think biollante
This is a beautiful video! I loved this. :)
Also I agree that sonic did make it his own key difference super sonic is invincible where super saiyan is not
Imagine somebody in Super Form as final boss of the game while a main hero is not.
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Somebody organic
*I M H E R E T O K I L L C H A O S*
What would chaos look like if he got the positive side
I always used to joke that sonic was goku’s pet.
Everytime I play as Super Sonic I feel powerfull
Hopefully there will be a why Amy Rose matters. She is underrated and misunderstood, despite people thinking she is just there to love over Sonic she is actually do much more.
Don't worry. There will be.
I'm glad the Super Saiyan legacy will live on well with Sonic
Toei animation does not deserve it
I wish Fleetway Super Sonic would return in the current comics or even a Boss in the games
I always seem super sonic as a golden form not yellow
What about the s-monitor tiles in sonic one, what about that
Glad to see this video on this day! XD
Perfect Choas is a water RIP off of biolanta from Godzilla
where can i read the archie and fleetway sonic comics
Do a why dark sonic matters, I wonder if it’s gonna be any different?
super saiyan hair was never yellow until the anime. nowhere in the manga says that it was yellow. so sonic turning yellow when going super sonic is ORIGINAL
The ss appeared in the anime in June of 1991
@@miguelangelhernandezsolis7849 it's in april
@@hadestheunstoppable8278 April of 1991 was the first apparition in the Manga
June of 1991 was the first apparition of the ss in the anime
Da chaos EMERALDS
Happy bite sonic or whatever
Loved it!
IM SICK OF getting all the emeralds and cant turn super when I WANT 👿😒
WE NEED HYPER SONIC 😩
When I was 8 and had Sonic 2, I became a Sonic fanatic, and it drove me crazy to have never seen Super Sonic. This was before the internet too, so I couldn't just look him up. I could only imagine the possibilities. I only knew about him because my friends would tell me about it. Then I would listen to the sound test music and get so sad because I knew 14 was the super sonic music as it was one of two songs I hadn't heard in all of the hours I poured into the game. I didn't know anyone who knew the code to get him and it bummed me out so bad. Then one day, I went through the trouble of getting all of the chaos emeralds, not knowing what they were for and the screen said I could now turn to Super Sonic, but didn't say how. As I was playing, I collected 50 rings and jumped to a platform and it happened... I nearly lost my mind with excitement. I was shaking for the rest of that playthrough. That's a memory that will stick with me forever.
Yeah dude I know exactly what you're talking about. One hell of a feeling.
U can only get this feeling from a game
I felt the same way but with Sonic 3&K, but not Super Sonic it was with Hyper Sonic.
@@tjz3158 oh yeah, that one got me too. Especially because none of my friends knew about it. I was completely surprised.
@@westpointsoulja it great to know that we love this Radical Blue Hedgehog/Needlemouse no matter what form he takes at first Super Hyper and Darkspine were the only forms I knew from The Flash fighters Animations of the early years 2006-2009
With all 7 Seven Chaos Emeralds you can Manipulate the Realm of Reality to create a Miracle. Bending the Laws of Physics to create "Chaos".
Normal fiction: Order vs Chaos
Sonic: Negative Chaos vs Positive Chaos
Edit: I originally put destructive chaos not negative chaos because I found out both negative and positive chaos are destructive.
Actually, its negative vs positive, they are both destructive regardless of side, but who uses and how is what determines the outcome
till you realize supersonic is actually fleetway super sonic a deranged killer who takes joy in hurting and trying to kill those around him and friends lol
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I'm certain Super Sonic of the games isn't like the Fleetway version
@@modmaker7617 didnt say it is the same o.O rofl but is original more or less bud :)
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Super Sonic first appeared in Sonic 2 in 1992
Fleetway's "Sonic the Comic" series began in 1993.
No you're wrong the game version came first.
Not gonna lie, when you said "This isn't perfect Chaos...This is" and showed Super Sonic, it gave goose bumps.
That transition was hyyyyyyyype
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11:10 for those looking for the time stamp. And yeah HOLY CRAP! I was like “f*ck yeah! Here we go! Super Sonic mode baby!”
It’s so perfect
yeah that was cool 😎 and he shows his importance in this too which is great
Great retrospective. Playing as Super Sonic was a double edged sword for me in Sonic 2 and 3. So much fun to control but I missed the regular level music.
For a certain degree of "control". Good luck doing any kind of precise platforming with that kind of speed.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter Never had an issue at all surprisingly
Well at least Egg Revire, is a great song that plays while your in Super Sonic, but i don’t mind the Sonic Mania Super Sonic, music.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter You don't have to hold right the whole time, you know.
_"What do you think when you hear the word Chaos?"_
Multicoloured emeralds and a giant creature made out of water...I must have made some terrible life choices.
I think that _"I, Garland, shall _*_KNOCK YOU ALL DOWN!!!"_*
Terrible life choices indeed, but it feels so good. Don't do drugs, kids.
I think of a dancing clown that can turn into a scythe of various sizes
@@8-bitsarda747 i think of multicolored emeralds and the jester you speak of
I think of teleportation
I liked how a book series put it. In "The Land: Chaos Seed" chaos is described as the power of *choice.* The protagonist, Richter, others see in him simultaneously the potential of great good and evil. But he is neither because he has not made his choice.
Hyper sonic power
"It doesn't matter who is wrong or who is right"
Richter? Chaos? What is this Castlevania? Lol
Embrace the chaos, beautiful commentary man. Great outlook man, hope they continue to always stress the importance of Super Sonic in the future games. Same with that rare Hyper sonic haha
"One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star" Friedrich Nietzsche.
Somehow, I see parallels between that quote and Sonics' transformation into Super Sonic once he has all 7 chaos emeralds
Interesting
I remember seeing a Sonic tarot somewhere and they put Super Sonic as "The Star"
It was very fitting
*STAR PLATINUM-*
I know this will maybe be said in the video but Perfect Chaos and Super Sonic have a really good Yin and Yang Dynamic when you look at how Perfect Chaos represented the Destructive/negative side of the emeralds while Super Sonic represented Order/the positive side of the emeralds
that was like, the point. it was hammered really hard throught the last story of the game. especially the speech sonic gave
Well to me they both are two halves of the term Chaos Postive and Negative Energy Chaos is even a parallel to Sonic as to is a protector it kinda makes us wonder what if some group manage to harm Sonic Friends what would Sonic Do if he was in Chaos Shoes unable to help his friends and watch them suffer well Sonic X and Sonic the Comic gave us a Two hint to what Sonic Negative Curropted Super Form would be Fleetway Sonic or Dark (Super) Sonic hell we even seen in the archive comics what a Positive Perfect Chaos would be instead of a Giant Water Dragon Dildo,we get a Giant Chaos Zero with Chaos Emeralds within his Chest like a goddamn Vultron or
@@lerona.martyr3811 I know I’m saying I really enjoyed that Dynamic
As I've observed from fictional series with the Yin-Yang/good-evil dynamic, such as Avatar and Legacy of Kain, light is represented by a yellow/golden color while darkness is a dark purple/violet. The same could be said for Super Sonic's golden energy and the purple energies of evil entities such as Dark Gaia and Metal Sonic.
In ancient Chinese philosophy, tho, the color yellow is considered "the center of everything", the source of both Yin and Yang, and represents neutrality or balance.
Yin yang, chaos, and emotions. All not inherently good or evil. They simply exist. I don't think Sonic represents order or good. Sonic just does what comes naturally to him which can be interpreted as chaotic in a sense. Sonic's empathy for chaos and the love of his friends is what revived the emeralds and gave him the power to calm him down. That's why Sonic is peak fiction.
Taking a drink every time you say Chaos is a guaranteed trip to the ER lol.
depends on what you drink.
@@8-bitsarda747 he was talking about alcohol specifically
I attempted to prove you wrong with water but now my kidneys are failing
Is that before or after the Final Fantasy montage? XD
im Irish so.... this is basically a slow Tuesday to me :P
11:11
Even with the utterly dated graphics, this moment hits so hard and so good.
Imagine a remaster with current day graphics, honestly I'd rather have that than SA3
That moment just hits hard the music the cut to black then Super Sonic
Hell Yeah
haven't even played the game, and I completely agree
It technically aint my childhood but it gave me chills
Everyone asks where's Hyper Sonic, but no one ever asks how's Super Sonic
bc super sonic is LITERALLY IN EVERY FRICKING Game hyper sonic deserves more (even though i like super sonic more hyper sonic is now at same level
Nobody ever asks about that one-off Hyper Tails, either.
I'll do you one better, why is Sonic ?
All i know is, ultra instinct copied ultra sonic from archie. They both look like there in base but its there most powerful form. And of course the name both have ultra.
Where is Hyper Sonic?
“That ain’t Perfect Chaos… this is.”
*character model clipping through floor*
YOU SHUT YOUR DAMN FACE! this is what we had.
I can just hear the Gmod sound effect of a model/character hitting the ground repeatedly because you glued them to something
I wish Sonic Team hires Ian Flynn to be THE Main Writer for Sonic.
I don't know who they need, but they definitely need someone different from whoever they've got now.
I think the best story we’ve ever had was sa2
I mean hiring someone whose actually a Sonic fan and is knowledgeable about the franchise is just common sense, too bad this is Sega we're dealing with lol!
Ha! That’ll be the day….
@@lynxfresh5214 sonic fans barley make good games only few of them are good
When I think of Chaos Emeralds the sort of chaos that comes to mind is not the chaos as in the opposite of order, but the primordial chaos found in various mythologies. Usually this chaos is seen as a sort of dark ocean which the Gods use to create the world, so the Chaos Emeralds are the pure power of creation that could be good or evil depending on the imagination of the user.
By that logic Cosmos, despite the fact it’s not in the mythology, should be the antithesis because it ends at everything, rebirth and all that.
I'm happy the world can celebrate the 30th anniversary of one of the greatest video game characters of all time... I am of course talking about motobug
I am of course talking about our boy Eggman
Regarding Fleetway Super Sonic, the early games themselves actually shaped his wild, "Destroy Everything" persona. The writers and artists all noticed the same reaction from players when he was on screen - You have great power but it's much more difficult to precisely control, so as a result most players threw the traditional approach to playing out the window. It was less about being careful and considered, and more about plowing into the nearest enemy you could find with your face, not really caring about the dangers that lay ahead. To most kids the first time they got Super Sonic, it felt like the ultimate power trip, which is what Fleetway Super Sonic encapsulates.
"Maybe I am looking too deep into it" that's what I'm here for
Yeah, what we're all here for, I love his videos where he knows he's looking too deep but still keeps going
With the power of the Chaos Emeralds, Chaos, the Guardian of the Chaos Emeralds and a colony of Chaos, becomes Perfect Chaos, and using that Chaos it causes Chaos across the city. So in turn, Sonic used his own form of Chaos with the Chaos Emeralds to become Super Sonic, a Perfect Chaos, and uses this Chaos to stop Chaos for causing more Chaos.
Seems pretty organised if you ask me.
Just like in the Archie Sonic verse. Eggman realized he hadn't been able to beat Sonic because basically Sonic is Chaos Theory incarnate. As a being that has been exposed to so much Chaos Energy, he has almost become chaos itself. It is impossible to plan around that which drove Eggman literally insane as he had a mental breakdown.
Plus Super Sonic is pretty OP. Like practically God levels of power.
Yeah even Mammoth Mogul, one of the oldest/greatest Chaos Wizards admitted defeat with that reasoning as well. He ascended to Godhood twice as Master Mogul, the same transformation that led to millions of universes destroyed with his bare hands, even stronger than Super Sonic and Super Knuckles together, still lost in the end.
His best solution was to just wait until Sonic dies of old age. I feel like they were getting somewhere with that concept in the games but ended at Sa2.
@@justcallmekai1554 Yeah Mogul called it a cosmic punchline he's gotten tired of. Which is actually pretty damn insightful of him.
Perfect Chaos - that makes so much sense, with chaos and shadow and the biolizard - and even metal sonic - as aspects that all come together in Super Sonic.
I for one, LOVE Fleetway Super Sonic, but your opinion on him was refreshing.
Super Sonic is my favorite thing in this franchise, and this video hit it right on the mark.
Today is Sonic's 30th, and I'm having identity crisis too with my channel. I want to do more Sonic videos, make my own original comic series, and do things that are out of reach for me right now, but if today has taught me anything, that we just gotta let go sometimes.
This afternoon, I'm gonna go with Sonic's mentality and just go feel free doing what I really want to do. Enjoy the weather, take some photos, and not stress myself out.
I feel free today, all my problems are gone for now. That's the gift of the 30th. Happy Birthday Sonic.
Came here to talk about a golden hedgehog, came out contemplating life.
Not alone. 💪
At least we know Super Sonic is coming back in Rangers.
is it?
@@lerona.martyr3811 If you believe the January leak, then it might be possible.
Yay..... who didn't see this coming?
How do u know?)
@@laserpester8137 A leak from someone saying they played sonic rangers way back in January 2020 and giving there review they said you collect chaos emeralds. And there is a super sonic final boss.
Won't lie, a life without chaos isn't a life worth living
Open your heart, it's gonna be alright
This channel always get me in the feels, and reminds me why I will always love the sonic franchise even in it’s worst times.
As chaotic as this fandom is, it will always warm my heart to hear the loyal fans of this blue blur can always see sonic what he can and could be!
#Happy30thSonic
Its honestly why i love and stick with the series even after shit like like Boom, Lost World and Forces. I know this series can reach the greatness it has had before with the classics, Adventure games, Unleashed, Generations and Colors and the potential and ambition 06 had. Not to mention the handheld games being great side games like Advance and Rush. Even its lore has a great amount of depth, its characters being great(besides the meta era which i hope we leave behind) and the messages these games subliminaly leave behind
11:13 this moment still sends shivers down my spine you did an amazing job hyping us up.
Ever since I was a tiny kid, I always loved both super sonic and super sayan Goku, and I personally had always though super sonic was essentially sonic going super sayan, even though I didn`t know that DBZ was actually the inpspiration for thr transformation. seeing the transformation animation as a kid also really reminded me of the first time Goku went super, though now I would say it`s more reminiscent of whe goku or vegeta would really power up and release massive bursts of energy...
Man super sayans are just awesome, and super sonic is just as awesome...
"Goku is the OG he can dye it whatever he damn well pleases" Truer words have never been said
Happy birthday, Sonic!
Hey dude,me and my friends watch your videos and it was totally worth it being subscribed.Thank you for your great videos.
I find it odd that Sonic fans deny that Super Sonic is modeled after Super Saiyan. Like, it wouldn't be the first time that Sega got inspiration from Dragon Ball.
Alex Kidd was initially pitched as a Dragon Ball game. Hence the Journey to the West references, jankenpon boss fights, etc.
IIRC one of the reasons Sega don't want to bring back Hyper Sonic is because they didn't want the franchise to become like DBZ with the addition of more powerful forms (ofc I'm not sure if that reason is legit or not).
Yet Sonic X plus various other Sonic media are straight out shonen and Silver is quite an obvious allegory to Future Trunks. Tbh I get why some Sonic fans and Sega don't like the comparisons to DBZ however denying the unsubtle references/connections to it, is pretty foolish imo. If anything the Sonic franchise should embrace as well as own the fact it has a lot in common with DBZ.
Sega & Sonic Team should Canonized Fleetway's Version, & Rename him "Chaos Sonic".
No.
@TrainerblueTube urm...it doesn't, the Chaos Emeralds were used to trap all the evil in the world but after it backfired and made Kintobor into Robotnik, there was still evil in them. When Sonic first got them all, the rest of the evil went into his Super Form and corrupted it. Absolute power corrupts Absolutely.
In the Fleetway Comics the chaos emeralds were created by attempting to draw and compress evil into them. I guess okd Kintobor was trying to purify the world but messed up
Exactly this.
The perfect chaos
*I see what you’re doing,and I like it*
so is that the pun inspiration?
@@NewiDeltafell yes
Used to think Goku would go Super Saiyan if he got all the Dragonballs due to Sonic getting the Emeralds. This was before I really got into the Dragonball series and learned otherwise since I was into the Sonic series first. Would have been interesting if Super Saiyan wasn't always available
"You take one look at Super Sonic and you know he's got this! Because he still exudes that WILD power, that intensity, that burning aura like a flame that not even this water deity can quell. There's this sheen of violent intensity, but he never lashes out, he never let's it out of control, he's a Sonic that means business! This is Chaos Controlled, This is Perfect Chaos, This is Super Sonic!"
I literally heard those words echo in the back of my mind the first time I saw Sonic 2 when it originally came out!