Who Owns Leftover Shingles After A Roofing Job?
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- If there are shingles left over after the roofing job is complete, who owns those shingles? Does the homeowner own them and therefore they should be left at the house? Does the roofer own them and therefore he should take them at the end of the job?
One of our readers left this question in the comments of one of our other videos and it's a good question that deserves an answer.
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Glad to see this discussion. I'm a siding contractor in the Seattle area and I now only work for very upper end customers but in years past the question did come up as to a credit on the left over materials. What I've learned to tell those customers is this -"I bid the job so whether on not the materials were calculated correctly in my favor or yours a bid is a bid". If they persist I usually say 'had I run short of materials would you allow me to turn in receipts for additional material I brought out outside of the original package?"
In my request for proposal I specify two extra bundles for any small repairs. That way there is no misunderstanding and it helps minimize matching problems if the shingle is discontinued.
My last roof had Horizon non-organic shingles and I was so glad I kept extras.
SUre, if you put out an RFP for "Roof replacement, plus 2 extra bundles of shingles" then yeah, a company giving you a bid on that, and taking the job, should leave you 2 extra bundles, because that was part of the job. Otherwise, no, if you get bids for a roof, and that's what the roofer provides you with, that's it, he provided you with the shingles to cover the roof, end of story.
Great insight, but it's even simpler than that. The homeowner owns any leftover material (be it shingles or anything else) that they PAID for and was part of the contract. Any extra material that was purchased with the contractor's own money as a "just in case", will be taken back by the contractor. But if it was paid for, the homeowner legally owns it whether it gets installed on the roof or is leftover after the job. Any contractors that are taking away that material is literally stealing.
Is there an appropriate amount to keep? I imagine it being nice to keep one bundle in case repairs are needed 10+ years down the line and colors have changed.
That's always a good idea!
I had a new roof lately. I am shocked that any roofer thinks they own leftover shingles PAID for by the homeowners. We had leftover shingles and were told we do not get a refund for them, BUT the roofer is keeping to use on other homes.
We did an upgraded roof and paid out of pocket for more expensive shingles.
Yet THEY own our shingles left over??
I do not think legally that is acceptable. Going to look at contract to see if it was written that way.
I've had roofs replaced before and was told they had leftovers, did we want them, since we paid for them?
You may not have paid for the leftovers. If the roofer bought extra to have on hand for "just in case" purposes, then he owns them.
In the event the roofer requires more than what was ordered would you pay extra for the materials they need to finish the job?
I agree that extra shingles should be purchased. The company we went with had a 17% extra waste amount. No problem, I'm glad there were enough shingles, but the extra should be the homeowners. There were 4 SQ left over plus 2 bundles of the cap. The roofing company said it was theirs because they bought 10% more waste on top of the 17% they charged us, therefore, any extra product on site was theirs. His logic for ordering that much extra roofing material was that the measurement of the roof might be off. I guess the satellite system they used to measure the roof could be off, or maybe they should use a tape measure? Ordering over a quarter of extra material seems like a scam to me.
you're correct.if the your estimate stated so much material and you paid for the total amount of material whatever is left over is yours to keep.If he understimated the amount of material and needed to get another bundle or two then the onus is on him to pay for it.If you are in this trade or any other trade that uses estimating square feet for a final quote and you don't know how to do it ,then you shouldn't be in the trade.
@@roque2ezequiel if you don't know how to estimate then don't do the job.it's actaully pretty easy nowadays with calculators and computers,all you guys on here looking for excuses to keep extra material is a joke.if you shorted yourself on the estimate then swallow the extra.you're the fool not the customer,they shouldn't have to pay for your inability do know math.
If you know what you are doing with your measurements and ordering you should come out with little left over. The more cut up the project is determines the % of waste. Vallys, hips will allways have more. If I end up with 1 or two bundles let, I all ways give them to the home owner if they want them. If they have a dry aria to store them. it's all ways nice to have them on hand if ever needed for a unforseen damage repair.
You sound like the honest-type of roofer we all want to employ!
spoken like an honest ,ethical tradesman that knows how to estimate properly.thats how we do it in canada.know your trade,allow for extras ,but not be a square and a hlaf of too much material ,like this guy on this video keeps suggesting.these videos do an injustice to real roofers that know how to estimate properly and don't rip the customer off.leave them an extra bundle or two that was originally included in the estimate,that's what i also do.they paid for it,they own it.
@@melodyfleck9368 most honest roofers know how to estimate properly and don't ripoff the customer because of their mistake.these videos are completely uneducated.sad that people actually believe the guy on the video.
I am seeing many comments on both sides of the fence on this one. It really is even more simple than most are making it out to be. Most homeowners get bids from multiple companies. Once the homeowner agrees to the bid, they go into a "fixed price" contract" Simply put, the owner agrees to pay x dollars and the contractor agrees to put the roof on for that x amount.
What the homeowner is buying is THE ROOF ON THE HOUSE. Unless the contract states that they are buying a certain amount of bundles, they are paying for whatever it takes to do the roof. Another example would be an electrician bids to wire a few outlets in your house at x amount of money. They typically show up with a van or truck full of rolls of wire, outlets and all sorts of other items. You don't expect them to give you all the rolls of wire in their truck! It is good practice for the contractor to leave a bundle or two with the owner. If you want a few extra left< tell the contractor that ahead of time. Communication is key. But don't expect a credit because he has leftover materials. It isn't yours and you did not pay for it. You paid for the shingles that are ON THE HOUSE. You can always do a per square price contract, but you will typically end up paying more.
Nice explanation
A guy below in the comments had a good point A lot of times when you order shingles you should order a rounded up estimate amount. A lot of times you can get the shingles and they'll be damaged Etc that you can't use them so if you don't order more it will cost time and money to have to go back and get more. You don't know what's in the shingle wrappers all the time. Sometimes they are defective or crushed by forklift or whatever. Sometimes a roofing company would use shingles that they have in the shop for starters and up the edges around the house so if you count that in then that's a lot of times that's why there's two square left or whatever. The leftover shingles doesn't always mean anything but if there's 10 square law for something I mean I can see the customer like "what's going on?" Lol we also leave the customers one or two bundles because of storm damage in the future and the shingle factory a lot of times will change the color slightly or discontinue it all together so it's best to leave a bundle or two there with the customer.
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It's called good business and ethics.
As a homeowner, a good rule of thumb is to always keep extra leftover building materials. Whether carpet, tile, or roofing shingles. Because there will most likely come a day when you have to replace something due to damage. And colors, manufacturers, etc have been discontinued over time, and are no longer available. You will be glad you have extras!
If damaged and not the roofer's fault, he is sure to get a credit from the supplier and should pass that on to the homeowner if he wants to stay in business.
who the hell,over estimates 10 squares?obviuosly needs to have math lesson.
The bottom line is make sure you hire a honest contractor. And one who knows what they're doing waste wise..
I am a painting contractor, if I estimate more product than needed which in turn dictates the price then whatever is left over is the customers.....period! They paid for it so they keep it, doing anything else is unethical!
Let me ask you a question...
I assume that since you're a painter that you also replace fascia wood as a service for your clients.
Let's say you bid a job for a client that includes replacing all the fascia, 350Lf, for example. So you've built 35 10' boards into your bid, which your client is paying for.
Now let's say that you buy 37 boards so you have some extra for "just-in-case" purposes. Maybe a board gets cut wrong or something else.
Do you want your crew to have to drive back to Home Depot to buy another board? What a waste of time.
So if the job finishes and the crew DID NOT use those 2 extra boards you bought, and which the client DID NOT pay for, are you going to return those to HD, or "gift" them to the homeowner because that's what you think is the "ethical" thing to do?
Let me know.
@@homesteadroofing I ALWYAS include all materials in the estimate. If I go over that is my fault as a professional and I deduct it from the total at the end of the job and keep those remaining boards for another job. Easy as that, everybody wins
Thank you for being honest! Any contractor who overestimates product and keeps the excess is a crook, pure and simple. And eventually, your Google reviews will point this out.
I agree
THIS IS WHY QUOTES NEED TO BREAK OUT THE COST OF LABOR FROM MATERIALS. If the customer's payments match. then the customer owns them.
Thank you for engaging with our video. I appreciate you jumping in to the conversation, however, I respectfully disagree.
@@homesteadroofing you disagree cause you're a ripoff yourself.
Yes, thank you. I have extras 90% of the time. (1, 2 or maybe 3 bundles) Ordered to be on site, (just in case), to avoid having to run and get more in the middle of a project.
Occasionally the HO may ask if they can have a leftover bundle for potential future needs. If that's the case, I usually have no issue leaving a bundle with HO. Especially if we have a good working relationship.
Completely agree!!
Yes... Especially if the job is a long way from the supplier, OR, during a material shortage(2023!)
What if a roofer seals your singles out of your shed because they forgot to bring theirs? That is what Vaught Roofing in Kansas City did and then tried to claim that I called them and offered my left over shingles from my shed build for free. They kept with that lie even though it was clearly set in the contract that they would provide all roofing materials. And then they came back and stole more shingles after I complained. Vaught Roofing in Kansas City is straight up criminal and crazy to boot.
Wow!!
Roofing 30 years. Give a price. Homeowners agree to the price. End of discussion.
If the homeowner purchased those extra shingles and wants them, why does the roofer expect to keep them and or return them for extra $$?
Of course, if the homeowner purchased them, he should keep them. If he didn't, he shouldn't.
@homesteadroofing It was implied that the homeowner paid for the materials even though the roofer purchased them. The homeowner absolutely should keep the leftover materials.
Just modified my pre-job checklist questions because of this video -
Left over variable materials remain with customer, for any future repair issues. Or does Contractor refund home owner and they keep them (extra bought for “just in case” issues)? What if job took less shingles than needed per the estimated? Whole not opened bundles, part/opened bundles?
Then you have to ask yourself, how do I know they didn't use all the shingles they told my roof needed, andI paid for: and they "pocket" some "extra" bundles I paid for thinking they are on my roof?
Do I have to inventory/count all the materials when the contractor show up to do the job?
Then there's -what if just buy the materials myself, and only pay roofing company for labor? If they need more, I go get more. Or, i bought more "just in case" materials to prevent workstoppage issues, and I can return unused material to the supplier for my own refund from the supplier! This way, I cut out the roofing contractor from being the "middle man" n the supply chain, and paying any of his jacked up 20% prices, eh!
Lowes has the Owens Corning Green colour Duration shingle I want, and I get a 10% military discount (retired US Army "Green Beret" A-Team Medic, and a Warrant Officer Helicopter Pilot), so for me this part is easy - just order what the contractor says is needed plus "extra" in case materials, after jobis done I can take them back (within 90-days of purchase), and LOWES will deliver the materials to my house.
Why not Home Depot? Because, they have a $400 per year maximum military discount limit (for purchasing up to $4,000 of stuff), and the new ZERO-TURN lawn mower I purchased back in May 2022 wiped that out...only reason until 2023 for me to take the Lowes "BIG BOX" Store option! I'll have to check of LOWES has a military discount limit too? If not, maybe a good reason to spend over $4,000 with them for roofing materials, and get the full benefit of 10% off, eh! Go too two wars, get shot at, get discounts - my Recruiter never told me 'bout that one!
Thank you for engaging with our video. There's a lot to unpack in your comments. Basically, if you can find a contractor who will do the work with the shingles you've bought at Lowes, that sounds like a good way to go.
A good roofer probably won’t take the job. They usually take 10% profit on materials. Plus they get a 10+% discount from supply house.
@@zdwade only fly by nighters who need cash will do just the install and allow the customer to provide the shingles .
Homestead roofing Inc, you're wrong in keeping leftover materials. Homeowners should absolutely keep them.
If the homeowner didn't pay for them, but I did I will always keep them. A business doesn't stay in business by giving away materials.
Well, last roof I had done, I did myself, so I owned all the leftover shingles.
Thank you so much for your education videos that very help
The roofers left 3 bundles of shingles, a nailer and a box of coiled tape nails. Why, I have no idea, I pointed it out to them, they were Hispanic men, didn’t speak English, 80 lbs each, I can’t move them. Anyway the company guy is coming out Monday to inspect the roof/work that was done. This answers my question, thanks!
you paid for the materail ,anything left over is yours.keep the 3 bundles in case of future repairs.and the nails.if the box of nails is full ask the contractor if he would give you a refund on the box ,he can always use it on another job.
If it is a new home then the Builder owns all leftover materials. If a Roofer is replacing shingles then that Roofer owns the leftover shingles. But it would be a good idea for the Roofer let the homeowner keep the shingles.
Using that rational the owner should be charged if the roofers short on material…Good explanation…
My roofer has 10 extra bundles leftover. I paid for them, can’t find what circumstance under which he gets them.
It's going to depend on what your contract says or what agreement you had before the job started.
Extra is always ordered in case some show up damaged or measurements are wrong. Don’t be that person….they aren’t yours.
@@crackheadbiden3273 ok crackhead..name fits. People come here clarity, not to be insulted. If I paid for the materials, THEY ARE MINE. Just trying to see how a penny pincher would justify keeping materials bought for by a customer, and you answered the way I thought you would. Treat customer right, get more business. Cheat? No business, bad karma, word gets around.
If they charged for it then it should be yours
@@homesteadroofing he just told you that He paid for the shingles,why shouldn't the customer keep them or get a refund ?who over estimates 10 bundles on a job anyways.
We had 11 bundles of Malarkey Legacy shingles left over on our roof, they got picked up today. My husband said the cost was "baked in" to the price of the roof, but I find 11 bundles a bit excessive.
I would agree.seems like that is padding there pockets
What if the crew was excellent about reducing material waste, which takes alittle more time than being a wasteful roof installer. If they were very wasteful you would only have two or three bundles left over. Would you rather have the crew be very wasteful with their cut off pieces? Shouldn't the company deserve a small bonus if they reuse any shingle cut that is over 6" or greater in length? If you sign a contract for a set amount of money than the roof is for the total amount of the contract regardless what an itemized estimate says as no estimate is one hundred percent correct. If you audited every single material or labor line item you will find things such as steel valley metal, synthetic felt, roofing nails, landfill ton weight, etcetera that could have been shorted. Therefore they need the extra shingles left over to cover other material and labor items that could have been shorted as what's the point to credit the homeowner for the extra shingles and then charge for 15 more feet of steel valley metal with ice and water barrier plus a 1/3 of a ton extra of landfill debris?
@@dx9506 Maybe homeowners should just pay contractors for labor. And pay for their own materials?
@@SW-nq1bx These types of homeowners should do the work themselves. What if the contractor accidently ordered more shingles than was on the contract and needs to return the material to get his money back. If the homeowner agreed to the price and signed a contract then the price doesn't get lowered. The homeowner should be lucky there were no added costs to the job, as you can't see many issues until the roofing material is removed.
File a consumer protection claim and give the roofer the review he deserves.
What if the roofer under measures the roof and want to charge you for 3 more squares?...and that is not part of the contract.
That will depend on your roofer. If it's my mistake, often I will not raise the price. I present quotes to my clients, not estimates. If I measure incorrectly, that's on me, but not every roofer works the same way.
then it's his fault he can't estimate properly and needs to swallow the extar cost of the amount he shorted himself.not the customers fault he cant estimate his own jobs.
I had 10 leftover, i kept one and roofers companyn picked up the other 9. They didnt adjust the invoice for insurance company and those 3 squares were charged at install price.
So was the labor for installing them per square. And don't forget the 3 square of labor for the tear-off.
that is why I boughtr mine . They were paid for by me . I also got my roofers discount , you just have to know how to do it .
The person who purchased it hold ownership, clearly. Now if they want to relinquish their property then that’s their right.
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Supposed to homeowner bought the shingles based on what the roofer said was needed and there were shingles left over. Who owns those shingles?
The homeowner.
As a contractor I leave one bundle at the house and return the rest in my favor, had a client one time ask if the three remaining bundles on the roof would be credited to her I said sure and long as she got them off the roof and returned them to the store herself, she laughed and declined
At $35 a bundle I'd send up someone else to fetch them.
you're a joke and a ripoff .
Thank you 💗
What would would you say about having 22 bundles leftover after the job? Roofer took the bundles. Still have to settle up with final check on replacement value and all of that that, but something just doesn’t seem right about that many leftover. Any comments or advice greatly appreciated.
That's a lot of leftover. Sounds like the roofer made a mistake in measuring/estimating.
@@homesteadroofing I take it that I should address this when we do the final settlement/payment. The final replacement value check is on the way and I’m going to request the contractor deduct the amount for the 22 bundles from the final invoice.
anybody that has more than 3 bundles left over on an estimate does not know how to do math or measure with a tape.they should not be running around roofing .period.
@@Shifter85 absoluteley.question him on why he has so much left over,if his answer is what this guys answer on this video is"Just in case"then he's a joke.and i would be also worried about the quality of workmanship that he did on your new roof.demand the refund keep 3 bundles for future repairs "just in case"LOL
Sometimes shingles are deformed or damaged during manufacture.
Fire great information
poor audio on this - FYI _ surely you have it fixed by now.. The contract should say "leftovers owned by..."... etc..
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leftover are owned by who paid for them,the customer.
I have a question. Do you pay your roofers contract amount or delivered amount?
Not exactly sure what you're asking, but we pay our labor based on our estimated amount.
@@homesteadroofing i think he's asking,do you pay by the hour or by the square.?
Never herd of half square. Go in thirds
You know that 50 square feet is a half square, right?
You know that there are several shingle types that are 4 bundles to a square, right?
Sorry you own what you paid for period
Exactly!
So if I've paid for extra shingles to have on hand in case the crew needs them, then after the job, I'm taking them. Thank you for supporting the point I was making in this video.
Ehhh... the homeowner pays for all those shingles. The roofer is going to allow enough "waste" so that he isn't caught short and eats the cost of more shingles. If he was short, he would likely charge the homeowner. After all, he only gave an "estimate," not a hard BID. He will ALWAYS estimate plenty extra so that won't happen. The homeowner pays for all shingles to cover the deck AND the waste AND the "insurance" extra. When the roofer has extra (he will) and they go back to the supplier, he pockets the refund. That's what happens. That's not what SHOULD happen. If the roofer gave a BID (meaning he's obligated to finish the job for the specified amount regardless) then sure, he keeps the extra. When he's working off an "ESTIMATE", the homeowner must get a refund, or he's been cheated. Does Homestead Roofing BID jobs or ESTIMATE jobs?
I can't figure out why this is challenging.
If a roofer bids a job at 20 squares (60 bundles) and charges the homeowner for that, but he brings 62 bundles with him to the job for just-in-case purposes, and he's left with 2 bundles at the end of the job, then the roofer owns those shingles. It really isn't that difficult.
@@homesteadroofing You are right, if it was a BID rather than an ESTIMATE. If the job was bid, then the contractor is obligated to complete the job to spec for the price that was bid. If the job was an estimate, then the final price can vary depending on the time and materials that were actually required. In the bid job the contractor owns all excess materials. In the estimate job the homeowner is paying for all materials, and in that case excess materials are returned to the supplier for a refund and the final price is adjusted or left with the homeowner. It really comes down to the difference between a BID job and an ESTIMATE job. Contractors working with developers on new builds often do bid work, but on re-roofs they do estimate work. An estimate job should not be treated like a bid job, though that's what typically happens.
How should the extra bundles of shingles be stored long term? Our contractor retained two bundles in event roof would sustain damage from surround trees on property. Can these be stored in the attic or should they be placed in cool dry location such as basement/craw space to prevent activation of adhesive strip?
Great question!
Yes, a cool, dry place would be best. If it's somewhere that would build up heat, like a shed or garage, the seal strips will seal together and they won't install correctly.
@@homesteadroofing - appreciate the feedback!
I think there are unscrupulous roofers out there who pad their own pockets by making customers pay for their just incase shingles. Imagine doing that so much that you don’t have to buy product for a job. Wow that is a lot of profit!!
@@lizadivine3785 imagine if you needed a plumber to put in a new hot water tank and he mistakenly ordered 2 but only installed one and still wanted you to pay for both but he kept the second one?would you think that was okay?NO! but this guy on these videos is making the case that it's okay for Roofers to do that.What a clown.
It’s called a fixed bid! All in the scope of work. Stop making baby talk, people can read their contracts.
How is explaining something to a homeowner so he's educated about the process making baby talk? Your comment makes no sense.
this guy does nothing but baby talk,his answers are always"it depends",or "just in case"blah blah.the owner paid for what was on the quote he should keep the extra material ,if it a ridiculous amount like ten bundles then the estimator needs to find a new job and refund the extra to the owner.
Poor video. It's not complicated. If you charged the customer for a certain amount of shingles material
to do the job then what whatever is left over belongs to the customer.
Wrong. If you charge a homeowner for the amount of shingles that go on the roof, and you over-order to prevent yourself from having to run for materials during the job, then anything left over is the property of the contractor. Most contractors will have that specified in their contracts.
@@homesteadroofing so if u didn’t order enough u would take the hit or would u charge extra
There's too many factors that go into play when it comes to shingles being left over. It depends, some businesses are like this that is my price and leave it at that others will use their own shingles first then you used the ones newly bought so it's too many factors in there to say the customer should get the shingles to say they should get money back. But I understand the customer's view.
@@runningman3658 I guess their should be a industry standard . Per 500 square feet this many extra stacks of shingles . All extra shingles should be returned so the next customer has a fresher shingle so it has a less chance of harden shingles if not it just seems like the company keeps getting a kick back for bad practices . And thanks for the reply
most people on here who have common sense ,agree with you on that point.except for mr.Homesteader Roofer guy who seems to think that even if the customer paid for it the roofer is entitled to it.I wonder how many people he allows to do that to him.the guy is a clowmn and should not be giving advice to anyone
Remind me not to hire this guy
LOL.right?sadly lots of people watch his videos and actually believ in his advice.i guess there's a sucker born every day
First world crisis...
I watched for a minute and you didn’t answer the question
Wow! Thanks for hanging in there for a whole 60 seconds!
@@homesteadroofing not really what a waste of time