Super 8 Ektachrome 100D 7294 Good or Bad? / Scanned Results / MovieStuff Retro Scan / Canon 814
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- I decided to give the all new and all mighty Ektachrome 100D / 7294 super 8 a shot. I've heard a lot of negative things about it but figured, nah, isolated incidents. Check out my experience...
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UPDATE: Since this video was posted, I have been in touch with a Kodak Quality Control Manager in the Chemicals Division. I am overjoyed at the level of customer service I have received from them in several email exchanges. These were not "canned" replies but personalized to my issue. Kodak is well aware of the issues with the new 100D carts and assure me that they're working on some new advances with them and have asked me to do some testing for them (which I graciously agreed). They also sent me 2 new Vision 3 50D carts (my request) as a replacement for the faulty 100D. I plan to continue the conversation with Kodak and will obviously never stop using their products...Thank you Kodak!
I had enormous issues with this stock in the 10 or so rolls I’ve shot, and when I contacted Kodak they sent me 2 rolls of E100 in replacement.
My initial rolls in 2020 were fine, but as I did more rolls I started seeing more and more issues until it got so bad that almost an entire roll was blurry (exactly like the shot shown at 10:56 in your video) and another didn’t run from the get go, at all. The blurriness is caused by the film not seating in the gate correctly and thus sits away from it a little making it look blurry towards the right side. I’ve since learnt at least not to hit the cartridges because that may make the situation worse and cause the film to be even more taught inside. When a cartridge jams, the best thing you can try is to pull some of the film out of the slot, and attempt to wind the film back in using the spindle. At that point you’ll be able to tell if it’s going to be a problematic cartridge or not, because it’ll either be easy to wind it back in or it’ll be very hard to.
Unfortunately, I’ve tried to stay in contact with Kodak about the newer issues I’ve had but they stopped getting back to me entirely, so no more help for me on that side.
@@therestorationofdrwho1865, fortunately, Kodak has been good with me thus far. The did say that the E100D reported issues were up slightly for this new(er) batch, so they are working on some fixes.
Funny, Kodak told me exactly what you just said, don't bang on the carts. I guess I was hoping it would sort of loosen the tight wind, which I thought was "adhering" to itself for whatever reason. I guess this actually creates more problems. I'm going with your suggestion of pulling a bit out and winding back in from now on.
This whole film thing is so incredibly hit & miss, just when you get comfortable...BOOM, issues!
@@Filmboy24 Oh my f-- yes I know!!! I just got a roll back today that I filmed mid to late April, same f-ing problems again! Even after I tried messing around with the film gate a tad, the majority of the footage came out blurry still. That’s THREE whole rolls basically ruined for the most part, with VERY short sections being in focus. And these were the replacement rolls I got. I’m kicking myself for not asking for colour neg stock in replacement.......screwed up there bro. That’s my 10th and final roll, at least for a very long time until I see improvements. I would hope Kodak would be kind enough to send me a replacement roll after their new equipment has been put into service to see if it’s made any difference.
Well if you plan to use any motion picture film at all, it will most likely be Kodak, or originate with Kodak stock. Pretty much only game in town.
Good morfternoonvening to you too!
LOL!!!
That's sad. we used Ektachrome last year for a Super 8 workshop. We had 10 cartridges and they worked all really well without problems in different cameras. Braun Nizo, Minolta Autopak D10, Canon 510xl, Canon 1218, Yashica and interesting was that only a Canon 1014 auto zoom made problems. After we used the cartridge in another camera it worked fine, so we thought first the camera had a problem. We checked the camera changed the batteries and it worked later fine with a Trix cartridge. So we can't say anything bad about the film.
Understood and honestly, I'm sure there's a lot more good cartridges of this stuff than bad. Unfortunately, I got one of the bad ones :(
Can I use Tetenal E6 to process Ektachrome 100?
@@IvanovMarius Yes! There is also no rem jet.
@@silvergrainclassics Yes, that's good because it's more easy to process. I needed reversal film so I can project on wall or scan with 8mm film scanner, I just bought one today :D
Thank you, I think for the time being I will choose the 50D, though I did really want to use 100D again, I used in 2013, the last stock available of the old type, basically. This was really honest and useful to me, thank you.
Thank you, Simon! I have to say, I'm a 50D guy for sure. Definitely the most well rounded stock, in my opinion.
Very informative, it is never a pleasant experience when things that are beyond your control begin to go wrong.
I have shot two 50' rolls of regular8 and one cart of super8 last year. Although I was never a fan of Ektachrome, I decided to show the younger people what projecting a color home movie is like. I was actually pleased with the results, of course I got a reliable cart. It is pricey to purchase but I take into account that Dwayne's Photo in Parsons, KS will develop a roll for $12.00 and often return it the same week. I really liked my results, they came out good without really trying.
That said, I don't think I will purchase another 100D super8 cartridge after watching this video, shame because this film calls for a 70's format look.
I may continue to shoot the odd roll of regular 8 or 16mm depending, but thanks for letting us know and do tell us what Kodak says about this if you contact them.
Thanks so much Cecil!! Quite frustrating indeed!
I had no idea that Dwayne's was that cheap, definitely need to keep that in my back pocket. I have two more carts of the older 100D, might be nice to let someone else process it for a change :) Thanks Again!!
Now, some ten plus years ago, I resurrected my Super 8 filming hobby and at the time I was using the last of some Kodak 64 asa Ektachrome shared between two cameras a Minolta Autopak S6 and a Elmo 103. Both camera worked great being old enough to have a range of film speed settings. Enter 100D, my Minolta worked and jammed so I transfered it to the Elmo and it was fine. At the time I thought the Minolta to have a weaker film take up drive. It wasn't until I saw your video I now realise it may have been 100D issue. The other problem I have with 100D is that I have several later cameras with one asa switch in the film compartment switching between 40 asa and 160 asa with the filter out. To me this means the 100D does not match the speed settings of these cameras. The older Elmo and Minolta seemed to get the exposure just right for the 100D film. I have never tried 100D in the other cameras. I have watched your other videos, love them by the way, but it seems to me that I would be better off with Standard 8 or 16mm.
Thanks, John! You know, in many ways, I much prefer standard 8 over super 8. I love the ease of super 8 and the bit larger frame size but I think standard 8 cameras were built so much better (in general). Having something like a Bolex H8 and a 100' load, shooting at 16 FPS will literally give you almost 17 minutes of finished film (or over 11 minutes if you shoot at 24 FPS). That's simply hard to beat in my book.
Tbh aside from the focus issue I really like how the jammed bits turned out
I haven't had any issues with it on my Canon 814 XL electronic, but I guess I was just lucky with the cartridges I received from Andec. I have to admit that I prefer reversal material over negative, because I only got chemicals for E6 at home and I am not interested in further digital processing. I know that most people shooting on Super 8 nowadays want digital footage in the end, but for me watching it on my Revue projector is just fine. I am also fine with the price as I only shoot special family events like birthdays, christmas or weddings on Super 8. In my opinion analogue photography is way superior to digital when it comes to long-term archiving and that is why I am using it. I wish there were more reversal film stocks available than Ektachrome or Tri-X, with different ASA speeds. I mean something like a 200 ASA colour reversal would be great.
I would absolutely love to see a faster speed color reversal stock available. Would be great for general purpose, indoors and out.
Sorry to hear your challenges with the film! I shoot stills film with old cameras and have experienced the failure of the old equipment, locked shutters...etc. film breakage etc. I know the frustrating feeling! I lost nearly 3 months of images once. Out of 4 rolls I have had maybe 1 1/2 rolls complete. I also shoot digital at the same time, so I end up having some sort of back up. Keep up the amazing work! 8mm and 16mm film is just so wonderful to watch.
Thank you! Yes, it's a tough trade off sometimes, loving analog quality but using antiquated equipment. Funny, I've never once had any issues with Kodak's Vision stocks (old or new). Might be a thickness issue, color reversal vs negative. I know there was a little less than 50' on this roll (about 47-1/2'), which may be due to just that.
I bought a new fresh roll of Ektachrome 100D, and it shot fine for about 25 feet, and then it began slowing down to a stop. I would turn off the power and turn it on. It would run a few feet then stop again. I thought it was the batteries, but they were new. I took it home in a dark room, put new batteries in it, and tapped the cartridge against a hard surface. It ran smooth for 10 feet and then it did it again. I was able to expose the roll. I thought it was the camera briefly, but the motor runs very well. I bought a restored expensive Canon 514XL. I had a bad experience with the last roll of Ektachrome 100D. Color negative stock runs fine through the camera, as well as Tri-X black ‘n’ white. Not a good experience.
Hey Tom, yes, that's pretty much exactly what was happening to me. Kodak is aware of the issue and I have since taken part in a few cartridge improvement tests for them. As they made improvements, I would test. They got increasingly better and I believe they just about have the issues figured out, thankfully.
I just had Negativeland process this roll, and believe it or not, it looks amazing. Total surprise. Too bad everyone is out of stock. I think Kodak is tweaking the new cartridge
@@tommorris5069 That's awesome!! Yes, Kodak has been making improvements to these carts, and I've been involved in some of their testing. I can attest personally that the changes they made, made a huge difference. I'm pretty excited!!
@@Filmboy24 the cart I had may have been one of older ones? I look forward to the improvements. The price is a bit steep
Wow, I was hoping to try Ektachrome if I can get my camera working OK but after seeing this think I’ll wait on that idea. Thanks for letting us know.
Thanks, Dave! I really wanted it to work so bad and had pretty high hopes for it, it just let me down. Hopefully it gets sorted out eventually.
Interesting. This must be a recent thing. I've only shot one cart of '94, and it was from the early days of its release, and it didn't give me any issues of that nature. I was a little let down because the color wasn't as bold as the original, but considering they had to reformulate it in the first place, I kinda expected that. I'd still use it again in a heartbeat...as soon as Kodak fixes their problems...
@Filmboy24 That's good news indeed! Test rolls means they are working on the issue. I've shot about 7 carts of this new stuff and had 3 carts jam. But I love the colors and sharpness. I love color reversal projected as it looks amazing on a big screen in the living room. Friends and family are just amazed how nice this stock looks on the projector. The last cart of 7294 I shot on Memorial Day ran flawlessly through my Minolta Autopak 8 D6. I have noticed this stock needs a bit more light. I tend to expose it at 80 ASA instead of the box speed of 100. The colors and brightness just seem to look better that way. Keep us up to date on this latest fix for 7294. I hope Kodak is listening because if not the jamming issues could be the demise of this stock. I would be unhappy to see this disappear.
Thank you, Shane! Yes, good news indeed! I really hope they get the issues worked out with this stuff because it really does produce great colors, and like you said, fun to project it as well!! Will definitely keep everyone updated when I hear more.
I didn't had any jam problems with 7294 or 7285. I can remember back in the 2000s a lot of complaints about jamming Ektachrome vnf and K40. I love the new Ektachrome except the ridiculous price.... It's better then nothing. Stay positive ;) I did have serious jamming problems with pxr50 and adox stuff.
Thanks so much!! I don't think I'll completely give up on it yet, it really does produce beautiful colors. I was just disappointed at the issues, especially after the price. Kodak assures me they're working on it and want to send me some test rolls down the road, so we'll see.
@@Filmboy24, how did things end up for you with those test rolls? In the time being I have shot multiple carts still without any problems.
@@socialist0189 Well, I haven't yet heard anything from them since then. He did say that it would probably be a while before they sent anything out, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I definitely want to shoot some more rolls of it, just haven't gotten around to it yet. Glad to hear you're having good luck with it, gives me hope :)
The first two rolls of E100 S8 I shot there were no issues. The third I shot didn’t jam but had this weird jitteriness going on at the top of the frame. Nick Coyle told me that it was indeed a manufacturer flaw. I’d show Kodak this video as evidence that they need to look at how their molding their new cartridges.
Thanks, Travis! I sent Kodak an email yesterday and I linked my video, hoping to at least get an acknowledgement. I'm with Nick on this one, certainly seems like a flaw.
I sure hope Kodak watches this
I may be reaching out to them and I'll certainly let you know what they say.
Mike - I was in the middle of a shoot last week and the same thing happened to me with a roll of Kodak 50D Super 8. I did the same thing you did -- tapped it a few times on a flat surface -- and it worked for the rest of the roll. I remember what Marvin Meister of Photo Center Inc. in L.A. (great place for old camera repairs) once told me -- Kodak does not make Super8 cartridges the way they used to. Perhaps it's time for Kodak to put a little R&D into these cartridges if they want filmmakers to buy them.
Yes! Exactly, Frank! Hopefully there are enough reported issues that Kodak will dig a little deeper. I think the world needs this cool, color reversal film but at it's current price, it better work!! :)
I shot a roll of 50D, and it jammed up once in the camera after I tapped the cartridge before I put it into my camera. I smacked the camera a few times, and it was fine. I am seeing people recommending keeping the cartridges at room temperature and then tapping the cartridge a few times. Also, the fresher the roll the better.
I had Issues with 2 rolls of Ektachrome, my 2 rolls jammed up at the last 3ft of film.
I emailed Kodak they sent me some new rolls. Which I hope to try out soon.
Glad to hear that they sent you the replacement rolls. I had very good luck with their customer service and it sounds like they're doing everything they can to rectify the issues with these new(er) carts. Good luck with the new ones, please let me know how they turn out.
Hey-o!
I've been watching your videos from newest installations and back... so I just caught this one.
This one reminds me of a Survivorman episode: you wandering around in the foliage and mulling over your situation while looking around.
Surviving the Ektachrome experience... ha!
I know we discussed the issues with some of the new Kodak S-8 cartridges jamming... my poor luck has been with Tri-X carts. But most of the time its solved by pulling out an inch or two of film, manually reeling it back in with take-up spindle, and shooting for another 10-20 seconds (before the next jam!).
I've always double-checked the cartridge on another known working camera, and it is consistently the fault of the cartridge. (take out cart, try on new cam; immediately take another roll of un-jammed film and pop it in the camera that just had the issues - camera works fine and film spools through cam smoothly)
Given the price we pay for the film stock, well, I hope they can remedy these issues! (although the tech is now about 60 years old - might have been solved by now... lol)
Hope things are good, Mike!
I can see a new series on my horizon..."SurvivorBoy24" 😂
What you do by pulling the film a little, then winding it back in is certainly the best way to loosen everything up in there. I just decided to go full on Hulk Hogan with this one. I think I was just getting so frustrated with it. I've since been involved with Kodak and a E100D test program they're doing. I shot some revised carts of 100D that they sent me, all with varying results. I've been in pretty close contact with my Kodak rep, who's keeping me up on their progress/improvements. I think (hope) they're getting close.
Thanks, Drew!!
You need to test another stock with that camera. Put it on a bench and shoot a registration chart and check how your lens focuses at different zoom points. Get some registration and colour chip charts and shoot those at the head of each roll.
Even the out of focus and strange jumps of the jamming parts really have a very redeeming visual quality i must say. This is something that often doesn't even look this nice when you plan it or fake it in post. And now this really makes me think back when i shot a roll of the older Ektachrome 100D back in late 2011 / early 2012 and had these strange jams in my Nizo 1048 camera. I really thought it was because of the Camera since i didn't test any other roll of film in it. Just the Ektachrome. And now i wonder... if perhaps the camera was totally fine and i too just had the same kind of EktaJam in my camera. It was the roll i first had in my Bauer 107XL for the first few meters before i swapped the filmcartridge into the Nizo 1048. :O
That's a tricky one. I honestly have had the worst luck with Nizo cameras (I have 2 now, both non-functional) even though they do produce beautiful images. By the same token, I have terrible luck with 100D. By the way, I love "EktaJam", LOL!
Mike, I tried to comment on today's video and give you an update on the Sonic25 i shot. The comments are blocked. Just sent it of to FPP for processing and scan. Now the 4-6 week wait. On another note are you still getting light flashes on your K3? I watched a what I thought was a Russian UA-cam channel and the author was getting light through a counter on the back side of the K3. He blocked it with black gaffer tape and cured the problem.
Hey Barry, yes, unfortunately (and I wasn't aware of the policy until I posted it) UA-cam automatically blocks commenting on videos that feature minors. I'll certainly be keeping that in mind for the future.
Funny that you mention the flashes with the K3, I didn't really notice them too bad last time I shot with it, but I did cover the footage counter with gaffer's tape. Coincidentally, I've held off modifying my current K3 to super 16 as I just ordered another one that's supposed to be "New" old stock. My current one is pretty rough, so, we shall see.
That wait for film to return is a tough one, especially in this day and age when there are so few labs, so the wait is so much longer. Can't wait to hear how it turned out, please keep me posted!!
@@Filmboy24 I sure will
haven't had any issues with the 2 rolls i've shot, hopefully people keep buying it and the issues get fixed, having more film stock options is far better than less
Yes, couldn't agree more! Truly hope Kodak continues with it, it really is an awesome stock!!
Exposed around 50 plus carts in the first year of release, but since October 2020, jamming has become a serious issue, one of the Kodaks replacement cart jammed only yesterday, swapped cameras to a fully serviced 7008s, which in turn tore the sprocket. Going down the 8mm std 8 route until jamming issue's are resolved
Yep, I've slowed down with these carts for now too. Regular 8 is a great compromise as it can still look fantastic!!
I shot some regular 8mm Ektachrome 100 D and it looked great and had no qc issues.
That's awesome, Ted! I have a couple more rolls in the freezer, need to dig them out and give it another go.
Try it! I shot it with a Bolex and it looked great!
Can I use Tetenal E6 to process Ektachrome 100?
@@IvanovMarius Yes, you certainly can.
@@Filmboy24 Thanks!
When you say “batteries kill unused cameras” what damage do they do and is it repairable? Asking for a friend...
HAHA...I think you and I have the same friend!!
did you do any color correction in post? what time of year was it? lots of deep shadows!
This was a couple years ago but I believe it was the end of spring. I'm sure I did a little color grading but honestly, I can't remember.
Would've liked to have seen some flesh tones in that. You need to have more people, preferably a mix of ethnicities.Shoot a version of the Shirley card.
Meh, I shoot what I want 😉
Cool. Just would like to see how a stock does flesh tones.@@Filmboy24
I always wanted to shoot a piece in a retro film with Ektachrome. Like recreate a news story from the 70s. That would be fun.Hollywood seems to be using fake digital super 8 in their movies. The Fablemans was a disappointment, Spielberg went more for period romanticism than historical accuracy. @@Filmboy24
Well we all know that Kodak is on life support and struggling, but they made some incredibly bad decisions over the last years. None of this is our fault. Back in the 1970s and early 80s I never had any trouble with Super 8 cartridges, so it should be possible to get to the same standard as 40 plus years ago. Kodak: please just go to online forums and ask the right people how it´s done!
Well I would contact Kodak and complain. And I agree: if you are scanning anyway, the 50D is the very best choice. As always: thanks for sharing!
Yes, I can't imagine what's so different now vs the 70s, 80s and early 90s. I never had anything like this happen back then either. I just emailed Kodak today, hoping they get back to me with at least an acknowledgement. We'll see.
As always, thanks for commenting, I appreciate it!!
@@Filmboy24 You are most welcome. Please keep us posted regarding Kodak´s response!
I do rather use 50D/200T negativ.✌️🎥🎞🎬🍻🥁🥁
Hey, have you ever filmed Ektachrome indoors using an 80A Tungsten filter?
Hey Asa King, no, I haven't yet filmed indoors with 100D. I have a couple rolls left, so I might just try it and see what happens.
What do you color super 8 film do you recommend overall if I want to test out an old super 8 camera - best bang for your buck? And... are there any labs that still process super 8?
That's a great question. This Ektachrome 100D is a nice stock, with good colors and while I didn't have any luck with this particular roll, Kodak did get back to me and sent me 2 new Vision 3 50D carts (my favorite). They are aware of the issues and are working on them. With that, my favorite stock is Vision 3 50D Color Negative but just know that it processes as a negative, so it cannot be projected, only scanned. I has a ton of latitude, meaning it can be beautifully color graded to your liking, and can be shot in auto exposure in pretty much any old (good working) super 8 camera.
I process and scan all of my own movie film, but there are plenty of reputable labs out there that do it professionally. Pro8mm, Film Photography Project, Dwayne's and Spectra are the first few that come to mind.
Best of luck!!
Interesting
The trick is to beat the hell out of the cartridge before inseting it in the camera. This will take the fight out of it so it won't resist passing through its intended path.
🤣I love the way you think!!
Man that sucks bud. So darn pricey too. I would call cinestill they might be cool about it and send you something else. Bummer but hey thanks for sharing this always good to know what to expect
from these stocks. For what it's worth shot selection looked cool and a great job on the process nice colors.
Thanks so much, Manny!! I sent an email to Kodak a couple of hours ago, really hoping they at least get back to me...we'll see I guess. I'll definitely keep everyone posted.
In reality, the 100D looks better.
with which kit can we develop this super 8 ektachrome 100D film ourselves?
You can use any E6 kit like the Unicolor or Cinestill.
Why mess around with Super 8mm when your clearly have a Bolex H16 behind you. Shot around 30 100ft rolls 16mm with my bolex and and had no issues whatsoever.
Why all your super 8 films are so grainy and contrasted?
Bonjour
La derniere fois que j' ai eu ce genre de probleme, il s' agissait en fait d' un probleme au niveau de la caméra. J' ai fait réparé ma caméra en Suisse, il y a une société qui peut les réparer. Recemment, j' ai tourné avec cette pellicule, et je n' ai eu aucun souci
Merci, malheureusement pour moi, cet incident particulier était le film.
Thats so unfortunate considering this their big boy film stock considering it is more expensive to shoot and develop and scan it in most labs. Do you think this could had a been a problem with your role or a batch of roles. Never heard of this issue, is ektachrome jamming normal ? I am about to try but this is kinda discouraging....
Very unfortunate indeed, Jaro. I'm not sure if it's actually the "norm" for this stuff to jam up, however I have read about it on several occasions (FB Groups, etc.) doing just that. I did run about the last 5 feet of it through my Bolex 150 Super, and it also had a hard time with it. I'm sure there are many people that have had great luck with it, sadly, I'm not one of them. I'm really hopeful that it's something Kodak is aware of and can maybe dig a little deeper.
@@Filmboy24 I agree hopefully you do a fallow up on what Kodak replies. Seems weird that Kodak hasn’t address this considering this was introduced back in 2018. I doubt its the film’s tightness because that shouldn’t be a problem as running Ecktachorme on a bolex h16 works fine. I might be they designed the cartridge for the mythical Hybrid Super 8 that they are in theory releasing, maybe that one has more torque power, if that was the case it would be unfortunate. I hope that if I ever do try it that isn’t the norm...
@@GBJJ072 Yeah, I'm truly confused as to what it could be. I've also read that it could be poor lubrication, but again...no clue. I really do want to try 100D in 16mm format, I think that would run fine on a 100' spool. I'll definitely let you know what Kodak says if I get them involved.
The contrast on this film stock is terrible! It is even more contrasty than the modern Kodachrome was. In fact, it looks like it has the contrast level of the Kodachrome from the 1940's but even more so! I think the only way get redeemable images from this film stock is to use it with overcast skies.
Looks like your back focus is out.
I ain't buying any of that crap! Lovin' me some Sugar mill park. Been there.
Haha, come back!!
Querido amigo me gustaría que vieras mis rodajes, calidad que tienen. Los tuyos son muy malos querido amigo. Desenfocadas probablemente ppr no ajustar el visor por tus dioctrias.
Why didn't they bring back the 7285 100D stock?!? That was wonderful film! Better than this 7294.