I Used This Projector to Digitize SUPER 8 Film at Home | FILM-DIGITAL
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50 years ago when we would watch super 8 movies we didn't think about the flicker and frame jumps. That was part of the experience as well as the loud chatter of the projector, and the darkened room, and the shadows walking across the light path. With 8K coming at us, our expectations have grown. I personally enjoy the typical low quality of super 8 movie night.
Last year I tried to digitize a roll of 8mm film that belonged to my great-grandfather by manually photographing every single frame with a DSLR and macro lens. Had to give up after about a minute of footage cause it was just too much work. Still got that one minute digitized and it looks great. Gotta have to get the rest done professionally some day.
I just want to say it’s an honour to have some of my own content mentioned here! 🙇🏼♂️
I’ve had some folks do their own builds and improvements on my Canon projector mod, and it’s been great seeing what others have done with it. You have a great array of approaches covered here, and the note on LED white balance is great.
I love your stuff Scott! Your converted projector setup looked awesome and I considered trying that project for myself, but ended up having this opportunity from Film-Digital. I'm glad that you documented your work so well though for people to try for themselves.
@@AnalogResurgence Thank you! I had fun going down the rabbit hole of projector mods, and it's awesome seeing what other approaches people take. So many variables to consider, too. On a related note - I've just scanned my Dad's 35mm Kodachrome slides from 1967, a much more manual effort - but the results have been pretty solid.
This is utterly brilliant and exciting, and goes a long way to getting to my dream of at least getting decent home scans for more personal projects that are harder to justify lab scans for.
Good to see you back here! Really nice results by the way for a telecine!!
Great upload! Interesting and thorough breakdown. It takes me back to the days when I was transferring film to video, now I want my old films converted to digital.
Thanks for the new video. Just what I needed right now. Can’t wait for the home dev motion film videos. The source I’ve used for years has stopped processing.
Great information. Thanks for doing this!
It was a great content. I made a simple telecine with a 16mm Bell&Howell projector but here was the caveat: I had to replace the shutter! Originally came with three blades shutter and I found the five blades shutter. A hard task because the technician didn’t want to convert the B&H it at his workplace. I had to wait and meet with him at his home. Long story short: many bullfighting movies I had piled up at home were converted/ telecine at home using my Sony CCD-V5000 Hi8 Pro. Good results back in the 90s.
Most of us today shoot miles of boring video we might look at once and forget. Back in the old analog film days, whenever the family got together the word was always "Lets see the home movies." They were usually silent which allowed for family talk during the view. A century from now, most of the darkroom prints and film negatives existing today will still be viewed by someone. A century from now, probably less than 1% of all the digital images of our day will even exist.
Looks like Music videos used to look in 70s and 80s , nice job , Thanks for sharing.
Have been curious of what that setup looked like! I use an enlargement lens on my Elmo that I shoot with my Sony ax43. Low shutter(1/15) with the projector set to slo mo and then adjust accordingly. Light source is a dimmable 13w led. Works well but some ghosting as well. Not to much jitter but when it's there it is dizzying. Thanks Noah!
The way you handled and threw the film at the beginning made my heart sink
Looked like magnetic tape or blacked out film
I cried seeing him throw out a whole $2 of expired film, a starving child could have eaten it 😢
The transferring (scanning) is not the final chapter. Editing out the splices, grain along with fps adjusting is part of the process as well.
Why would you edit out grain?@NYVoice
I’m waiting on my first super 8 movie to be finished at Niagara custom lab super hyped
Oooh, wonder if this conversion pack would be compatible with my chinon IQ 4000 gl projector, funny this should be covered today as I spent a lot of the week researching DIY methods for developing and scanning double and super 8 at home.
I spent years on and off scanning slides and photos from family photos to my own family photos. I literally have thousands upon thousands of photos in digital form now. Why am I taking your time to comment on what I did with my photos.. Well simple. If I had not done this no one but me could see them unless I sent them to someone and trusted them to protect and return them or someone came to me and I showed them .. at my own location. Point being I have been able to share these photos and clean many of them up to make them look much better... and in doing so I have multiple copies of them saved, over 5 TB worth at this point.. If I did not do this my family would not have done it and most of these photos would have been lost for ever... not to mention even with care over time they would surely be destroyed. I copy them to new external hard drives once a year keeping fresh copies.. and I am in the process of saving them to the cloud so anyone that I give a password to can view them at their convenance or share them. Keep in mind it is best you keep at least 4 copies... 1 to 2 in the cloud and at least 2 at home for safe keeping... Do the same with your videos!
I like recording my incandescent bulb projector with a vhs camcorder onto video tape. I also edit my films by cutting and splicing. Thanks for the interesting tips (and expensive products) anyway!
you just place the camera in front of the bulb? nothing else?
man, I would love to be able to develop and scan double 8 at home!
The wolverine gives an ok result depending on how good the original camera/exposure was, that said, a SLR, macro lens and frame by frame capture, whilst very laborious, can give excellent results too. There are several telecine machine based on Elmo projectors with DV cameras attached and DV tape capture/post processing on your Mac/PC also give good results. A very interesting video, reminds me that it's a pity Kodak abandoned the new super 8 camera project. A lot of young people today, are realising the beauty/look of analogue capture to analogue output, because we all live in/ perceive in analogue, digitisation is merely an intermediately step.
Nice video. Does all this record audio?
This is super helpful... I have been strongly considering adding a super8 film camera to my arsenal to produce... music videos, underground movie projects and whatnot.
Seems kinda pricey.... but is it really expensive when trying to achieve a certain authentic look without post-production processing being an additional hurdle to give 1080p footage the same look?
To test if two frames are very much alike, you take the binary exclusive or of the bits, then do a logical not of the result. Frames that are duplicate will have a low score of different bits and a high score of matching bits.
good presentation chap, how would that method compare to frame by frame method?
I just got a Blackmagic Production 4K camera. While it won't be as much use in setting shutter speed (does shutter angle, actually, and only you get frame rates between 23.98 and 30fps) it has one VERY useful feature that might curb the ghosting "2 frame" problem. That is, of course, a global shutter. Now, you could just get an old 1080i CCD camera that can go up to 60fps because they were by nature global shutter. Anyway, something to consider.
Hmm, the the camera module of the rasberry pie has a c-mount. So it would be possible to use the this projector and the lense to scan every frame as a single picture. If you are willing to spend the DIY time... :D
Love your videos on super 8. What’s what you recommend for a videographer going into super 8 but don’t want the wolverine processing but is tooo lazy to go through allllll the processing ?
Just found your channel. This is great. I own various projectors. 4 EAT 8mm reels, one doesn't and my 16mm Hanimex EIKI works 100%. I use a Canon XF605 and shoot a grey wall at 1080 25p. It looks amazing. I I wonder if I should try 4K? I guess it will look a touch sharper. I generally record SDI live to Vmix and create a 8meg MPEG4 on the fly so not post production. Sure I could do more but will the customer pay the doula?
Thanks for all the info.
I might be remembering wrong, but as someone who shot miles of Super 8 in the '80's, I don't recall ever having access to the negative after sending magazines to the lab. Things done changed, apparently.
Super 8 negative film stock only became available in the 90s and early 2000s!
@@AnalogResurgence Confirmed: I am ancient. Thank you!
Imagine renting a red weapon 8k and using it for the telecine
It’s a great looking projector transfer. How did you go with retaining highlight details?
I was curious how the GH5 auto exposure set to “highlight weighted” for evaluation metering, and set the shutter and iris manually, leaving the iso to ramp up and down would go. Old Kodachrome home movies shot on a super 8 cam with auto exposure have huge density variations that need a lot of chasing up and down with exposure, and I wondered if this would work well with them
I have a similar set up to this but I've converted my projector to single frame. To receive perfect exposure shot for shot I make as many as 4 or 5 passes per film at varying exposures. Because each pass has exactly the same amount of frames I edit between every shot and it's absolutely frame perfect. There is nothing worse than going from a light scene to a dark shot and seeing that the camera has had to fight it.
IMO, 8mm and super 8mm movie images and 8x11mm Minox images are really too small to give high quality when enlarged. Most home movies are not really well photographed and not worth spending thousands of dollars to convert to digital media. If reasonably watchable digitized 8mm can be made by simply projecting film on a gray background, recording with a digital camera or analog camcorder , transferring to a PC, and recording to a disc for playback, I'm going to try that. Cost of new 8mm projector bulbs and prolonged running of old projectors are considerations vs using the Wolverine setup. Well done video, thanks!
Assuming the content is captured in its original 4:3 aspect ratio as an MP4 video(H.264), import the file to Cyberlink Power Director and you can then convert that video to 16:9 widescreen *WITHOUT* making people in it looking fat and lumpy as if they've "raided the refrigerator for midnight munchies!" The proportions of the video are retained by use of the CLPV facility in Power Director and I believe this was available as far back as PD7.
Interesting, I'm wondering if you could add a frame sink to the projector and make it run at 2 frames/s and let the camera take a picture of the frame instead. It should get rid of the flicker and the ghost frames... Although it adds post processing because you need to add all the frames together like a stop motion film
Excactly my thinking. I believe a modern mirrorless SLR in electronic shutter mode should be able to capture even more than 2fps. Assembling the single fame captures to a video file is certainly not rocket science too.
If the flicker isn't bad, the Neat Video plugin for various editors (and VDub!) has an effective flicker reduction setting.
I’d be curious to know if you’ve worked with any AI upscaling software to enhance 8mm film. Kind of random, I know, but it’s an area I’m interested in.
The Doctor Who Restoration Team never managed to cure the "Ghost frames" from out of phase film inserts in TV programs that had been film telerecorded (kinescoped), using full professional equipment and post processing so I understand the trouble it would cause with less expensive equipment/software.
were can the l.e.d. lamp and control be bought?
Question, if this can be done with a DSLR, could it also be done, in theory, with an ARRI Alexa/RED camera? I'd love to see how those transfers would look like. Amazing job as always!
I have been using 3CCD camcorders these camcorders illuminates the flicker.
It feels like it would not be hard to modify the telecine to send a camera trigger signal on every shutter actuation, which if slowed enough could be used to turn this into a frame by frame scanner
Yes, this can be done if you are mechanically minded and I recommend it as it gives you greater control if you have the time. Have a look at my set up. All I need now are these optics
Thanks for this video. However I wish I could find a way to digitize my large collection of personal super 8mm SOUND films. I would love to hear the sound that goes with it, the lip synch, the old freinds and family to hear their voice again along with the pics. Does anyone know if there is a machine one can buy to digitize sound super 8,mm. I do not want to send my films away to a lab, I want to do it myself.
Did I miss it. Can this also take Audio from the super 8 film?
Did you ever run some of your scanned material through TOPAZ Ai ? I am able to have some astounding results..... Minimum is a M1 Processor though...otherwise you wait 1 week to render for 5 minutes of footage.... With an M1 a mere 30 minutes for same 5 minutes to render.... forget a PC... though ..must be MAC ....
Salut et Merci pour vidéo
Suis entrain de numériser mes Super 8 Comme j'ai une salle de projection traitée anti reflet je peux filmer la projection sur un bon mètre de base en 4k
Le shutter au 1/30s évite le scintillement pour des film muet en 18 fps
Résultat correct ..Mais j'évite pas les éventuels défauts de l'optique du Sankyo 702.
Filmer l'écran ça le fait ...Mais faut une salle, un écran, et une caméra adaptée
thanks great., but i cant install my loupedeck+, and not the obs-studio, i have work on it in 3 weeks now. and my customers are knocking, on my door? puh. -loosing money every day, i hav big stroke 2009, so its vry hard hard to understand, but i never give up, and my respekt to, -but i have study 12 years in all the new digitals:hdmi, my 3 monitos run in HD 6G 8/10 bit
You didn't mention darkroom printing in your preamble. Analogue from exposure to print. No computers required.
6:04 why not just mount the camera upside down?
It would still need to be flipped horizontally.
in the real world people can not afford the type of equipment that is being used and will have to make do with the cheaper £300 Kodak Digital transfer I have films from 1968 of Chester, Bromborough Etc I was brought up in a time when you would Hire a standard 8mm film for a few days and return it ....But there again I live in England which was way behind we were sill using a paraffin until the middle of the 70s
The question is, with what fps you transfer. Super 8 has 18 fps and the question is, would it look good, when you use 20 fps.
Jesus that’s steep. Can’t they just rent them??
Lordy the wolverine scanners'/their brothers and sisters etc quality are just dire. I dread to think how many people used them, thought 'great, that's that' and then got rid of the originals simply because they don't know how GOOD their footage can actually look if properly transferred using flashscanning as opposed to cheap scanners (or even old skool telecine which has been outdated now). ARGH!!
Way too expensive. I use the wolverine and post edit out the shakiness and as much grain as possible. The results are not too bad considering the garbage I've seen in documentaries that used old 8mm or super 8. If I had the money to make documentaries of the 40s, 50s, and 60s, then I would definitely look into this German machine. Especially because of how long it takes to use the wolverine. And I have a super 8mm projector that is in perfect working order. But the results off the wall, and thru one of those transfer boxes wasn't cutting it for me. So I use it to wind the film while cleaning it, and rewinding it back onto the reel and then again rewinding it after the Wolverine.