13:28 so basically the manga just literally snitches on its self because just like planet Namek‘s explosion where they tried to say it was universal this is even way worse this actually makes the serious punch square look competent considering that it is but these are the same people that think that this has higher scaling than the serious punch square😂
14:45 damn so in the manga is barely star level and in the anime he’s multi planetary to Multi stellar ! Considering that’s the only multi he’ll achieve the shockwave didn’t do shit in the original source material. And the movie and the anime had to created a feat in order for goku and beerus to look stronger and still isn’t universal 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
3:25 The fact that I’m halfway through the video and this all sounds familiar to me perhaps I’ve been in the trenches far too long with these goobers. They’ll take anything that’s non-canon and apply it and retrofit it to the actual canon😂 this isn’t just speculation in terms of scaling this is basically Frankenstein‘s scaling right here under a Frankenstein‘s cosmology
5:15 I damn so that whole world and it’s cosmology wasn’t even a cosmology until after everything was finished but you know what that’s fair considering you never know when you’re gonna be done and what you’re going to add
11:37 not exactly got to disagree on that considering it’s still affected by space-time and super and so are the Denison‘s there . 4d with me and that space and time would have no effect on them and they would be outside of its constraints they are not outside of its constraints given that there are six timelines that exist with different variance running around some of which have never met Goku because he died early in those timelines or some of which who’ve met him in the Zamasu timelines but came to the same level of conclusion which was to start the zero mortals plan the only difference is is that Goku black decided to intervene in this timeline of events the main timeline decided to intervene stopping Zamasu with an oven mitt glove. One last thing time would not be considered a big deal and time travel wouldn’t be considered illegal along with only six timelines existing with an attempt to keep everything regulated.
12:37 well to them power scaling is an arm race and they intend to win😂 whatever is the strongest scaling a verse can get they want that I guarantee you before they even heard of outer they wanted multiversal but nowadays everybody and their mother wants to be outer
10:22 it’s crazy because I’ve had this conversation multiple times with these clowns about this they stay perpetuating lies they even try that shit with the world of void as well But logic was never a dragon ball fans strong suit😅
12:22 I don’t got too much to say on this other than why would you use statements from a guy who doesn’t even know how big the universe is in dragon ball let alone the cosmology😪 like I said nothing more than a bunch of speculative armchair scaling
@@dougwardlaw8978 his best feat and statement was universal plus and he didn’t effect universe 6 and 8 or so he is only universal plus currently The void in the top arc is only a high 3-A construct and Goku shook the arena not the void
The other world itself is beyond the concept of space and time. Even the newest Chouzenshuu for DBS said that it’s beyond the concept of space and time. And for the guide that said about the battle of gods is a super dimensional battle aka 5D. I got all the scans for it, and u haven’t proven those Twitter tweets are fake or not lol it’s all your head cannon. Also the universal feat was him sending shockwaves shaking the entire macrocosm meaning if they keep fighting everything will destroyed in an instant if they release all their energy.
You can’t be serious about it transcending the concept of time of space when there’s shown to be time in it and space, and it being called “transcendent” just was referring to some spiritual sh*t since you ascend to the next world
@@Rose_Scales the last time I checked the newest guide for DBS stated the other world is beyond the concept of space and time. The entire other world itself not just the 9 realms resides in the other world. And nope this isn’t from the Daizenshuu either
@@Rose_Scales damn nice surfbone argument, swear yall db haters can never think for ya selfs. so do me a favor and show me DEFINITIVE PROOF of time and space being in other world
11:19 this is literally just 1/2 of the universe which is the top path it’s not a higher dimension in the sense of being a higher plane of existence same way when you climb a mountain you’re not elevated to a higher plane of existence you’re just not a higher elevation but these are the same people that swear up and down at this place the other world is 6D at its lowest and seventh at its highest because there’s an afterlife no other reason than that and because they think it’s infinite😂🤡
nga do yourself a favor and pick up a daizenshuu. they explain the filler bits and how they were made to tie in with the manga and approved by toriyama. He even made ideas of the fillere
Massive d riding and friezas second form was stated to be able to destroy the universe and the universe in db is infinite in size and that was his second form so dbz ssj goku is 5d
goku is universe level?? and still growing you know that right? he's on his way to become angel level, which are INSANELY above battle of the gods fight with beerus, which would destroy all of Universe 7 and hell and all the other worlds which are in a DIFFERENT pocket dimension and were said to be infinite in size. Krillin could beat Saitama for example, stop capping when you don't know shit
@@Rauffffff are you that pressed about a fictional character? Imagine saying krillen defeats a gag character?? Goku is not universal lvl cope. Also just say next time I didn’t watch the video where those infinite size claims get debunked
@@Tonio_0020imagine thinking saitama is a gag character when he has g done any gag feats before 😂. And we can also VC DBZ, because I got Goku above Multiversal
@@ItsTylesOrSomething I could say the same for other verses but y’all wanna scale them to Outerversal or higher despite it having contradictions that couod debunk them to 3D easily 🤣 like Anos or rimuru for example
13:28 so basically the manga just literally snitches on its self because just like planet Namek‘s explosion where they tried to say it was universal this is even way worse this actually makes the serious punch square look competent considering that it is but these are the same people that think that this has higher scaling than the serious punch square😂
14:45 damn so in the manga is barely star level and in the anime he’s multi planetary to Multi stellar !
Considering that’s the only multi he’ll achieve the shockwave didn’t do shit in the original source material.
And the movie and the anime had to created a feat in order for goku and beerus to look stronger and still isn’t universal 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
3:25 The fact that I’m halfway through the video and this all sounds familiar to me perhaps I’ve been in the trenches far too long with these goobers. They’ll take anything that’s non-canon and apply it and retrofit it to the actual canon😂 this isn’t just speculation in terms of scaling this is basically Frankenstein‘s scaling right here under a Frankenstein‘s cosmology
5:15 I damn so that whole world and it’s cosmology wasn’t even a cosmology until after everything was finished but you know what that’s fair considering you never know when you’re gonna be done and what you’re going to add
I already knew he wasn't strong
11:37 not exactly got to disagree on that considering it’s still affected by space-time and super and so are the Denison‘s there .
4d with me and that space and time would have no effect on them and they would be outside of its constraints they are not outside of its constraints given that there are six timelines that exist with different variance running around some of which have never met Goku because he died early in those timelines or some of which who’ve met him in the Zamasu timelines but came to the same level of conclusion which was to start the zero mortals plan the only difference is is that Goku black decided to intervene in this timeline of events the main timeline decided to intervene stopping Zamasu with an oven mitt glove.
One last thing time would not be considered a big deal and time travel wouldn’t be considered illegal along with only six timelines existing with an attempt to keep everything regulated.
12:37 well to them power scaling is an arm race and they intend to win😂 whatever is the strongest scaling a verse can get they want that I guarantee you before they even heard of outer they wanted multiversal but nowadays everybody and their mother wants to be outer
10:22 it’s crazy because I’ve had this conversation multiple times with these clowns about this they stay perpetuating lies they even try that shit with the world of void as well But logic was never a dragon ball fans strong suit😅
HEY ITS ME GOKU, I HEARD YOU ARE PRETTY STRONG.
12:22 I don’t got too much to say on this other than why would you use statements from a guy who doesn’t even know how big the universe is in dragon ball let alone the cosmology😪 like I said nothing more than a bunch of speculative armchair scaling
Dbz Goku is like multi solar
I wouldn’t even say multi galaxy that’s a bit of a highball I would say multi solar system to low galaxy
5d easily
@@dougwardlaw8978 he can’t breathe in space and will die in the vaccum of space this alone debunks him being 5d or having 5d ap
@@dougwardlaw8978 his best feat and statement was universal plus and he didn’t effect universe 6 and 8 or so he is only universal plus currently
The void in the top arc is only a high 3-A construct and Goku shook the arena not the void
The other world itself is beyond the concept of space and time. Even the newest Chouzenshuu for DBS said that it’s beyond the concept of space and time. And for the guide that said about the battle of gods is a super dimensional battle aka 5D. I got all the scans for it, and u haven’t proven those Twitter tweets are fake or not lol it’s all your head cannon. Also the universal feat was him sending shockwaves shaking the entire macrocosm meaning if they keep fighting everything will destroyed in an instant if they release all their energy.
You can’t be serious about it transcending the concept of time of space when there’s shown to be time in it and space, and it being called “transcendent” just was referring to some spiritual sh*t since you ascend to the next world
@@Rose_Scales the last time I checked the newest guide for DBS stated the other world is beyond the concept of space and time. The entire other world itself not just the 9 realms resides in the other world. And nope this isn’t from the Daizenshuu either
@@Rose_Scales to prove my point even further, one of the BATTLE OF GODS ARC said to be a super dimensional battle aka 5D. I got the scans for it to
@@Kodeuk Let’s see the scans for that send that cord
@@Rose_Scales damn nice surfbone argument, swear yall db haters can never think for ya selfs. so do me a favor and show me DEFINITIVE PROOF of time and space being in other world
11:19 this is literally just 1/2 of the universe which is the top path it’s not a higher dimension in the sense of being a higher plane of existence same way when you climb a mountain you’re not elevated to a higher plane of existence you’re just not a higher elevation but these are the same people that swear up and down at this place the other world is 6D at its lowest and seventh at its highest because there’s an afterlife no other reason than that and because they think it’s infinite😂🤡
Fax
nga do yourself a favor and pick up a daizenshuu. they explain the filler bits and how they were made to tie in with the manga and approved by toriyama. He even made ideas of the fillere
No
@@wcom9999 this ain't a debate so I don't care
@@wcom9999 yall use these fallacies and I don't care about them
@@wcom9999 I don't see how that's supposed to be my problem
@@wcom9999 oh you're a fake debater. Surfbone warned others about yall type. I see. Thanks for the clarification
Yeah with that type of video that you made is all cap and you dint understand what you mean
At least HE is entertaining
Massive d riding and friezas second form was stated to be able to destroy the universe and the universe in db is infinite in size and that was his second form so dbz ssj goku is 5d
yayyyyyy I'm in the video
Is this guy neurodivergent?
Yes, why does that matter?
*Goku isn’t as strong as you think 😅
goku is universe level?? and still growing you know that right? he's on his way to become angel level, which are INSANELY above battle of the gods fight with beerus, which would destroy all of Universe 7 and hell and all the other worlds which are in a DIFFERENT pocket dimension and were said to be infinite in size. Krillin could beat Saitama for example, stop capping when you don't know shit
@@Rauffffff are you that pressed about a fictional character? Imagine saying krillen defeats a gag character?? Goku is not universal lvl cope. Also just say next time I didn’t watch the video where those infinite size claims get debunked
@@Tonio_0020Yo. You made a claim. He corrected you. You whine about it. If anyone is getting pressed, it's you.
@@Tonio_0020imagine thinking saitama is a gag character when he has g done any gag feats before 😂. And we can also VC DBZ, because I got Goku above Multiversal
@@Tonio_0020those infinite size realms never got debunked
straight up capping
You don’t even know how to scale lol VC debate me
DBZ's writers don't know how to scale. It's all meaningless
@@ItsTylesOrSomething I could say the same for other verses but y’all wanna scale them to Outerversal or higher despite it having contradictions that couod debunk them to 3D easily 🤣 like Anos or rimuru for example