Immortal - Lorna Shore One Take Playthrough
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2023
- Hey guys! I’m so happy I’m finally done with touring for the next few months! Now it’s time to back to the grind wheel; I’m excited to get back to work on some new vocal content. In the meantime, here’s a playthrough of our song, Immortal I put together the other day.
I’ve had a lot of requests for this song/album (most of which have been uploaded to Patreon) so i found it fitting to do a quick one-take playthrough of the title track! If you like what you hear, check out my IG subscr/Patreon (link below)
*This is a one take performance, there are no doubles, no layers, no edits.*
What you see here is exactly what you get live!
Enjoy!
Mixed/Mastered by Cody Stewart
🎥 Edited by Caleb Arnaud
What I love most about Will is his ability to act like a happy labradoodle and then continue to sound like a hell hound.
he's the 3 head dragon meme
It's called studio magic. This is fkn terrible
That's why I love him too, its exactly how I do covers. I'll just be doing it an randomly "nya" "uwu" lol
Yes. Absolutely true. And he can sing sing also
Because he doesn't have that many vocal tricks dude landed a spot fit for the gods and is just wasting it away with the same vocals and the fame lorna was my favorite band for many years t s but he has completely ruined what this band was for me
lets be honest this isnt ur first time here
Not the last either 😎
I lost count 😅 but its a fucking banger cover!!
It is but won't be the last lol
Twelve
Probably the 50th :D
Dude you set new standards in deathcore and it blows my fuckin mind everytime
He's actively and factually changing the game.
Kid gives me goose bumps every fucking time. Its unreal how good he is. If the sith all culminated in Sidious, all metal vocalists have culminated in Will.
Wow 🙏
1. The vocal fry is perfectly executed.
2. Your voice is amazing.
3. Actually sing.
vocal fry and fry screaming are actually unrelated. also this is false cord
I've been wanting to hear a Will version of Immortal since he joined the band!! LET'S GOOOO!!!!
They have a studio version of this with him too, go check it out!
He performed it live on the ...and I return to nothingness tour, Chaos and Carnage Tour, and on their Sold Out Tour
@@andok0303 I wasn't in a position to see them live unfortunately. Hopefully next time they're in NC!
@@kriegzz4095 Hi mate, check is Patreon if you want more, he did a lot of cover from older Lorna shore stuff 👍
SirusXM posted last may a 30 minute set of Lorna Shore playing ... And I Return to Nothigness EP pluss Immortal, Death Portrait and King Ov Deception:
ua-cam.com/video/8B7M_wPMH_k/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SiriusXM
I stumbled across Lorna about a year ago and now I can't stop. Absolutely amazing.
I love his screamings while I drink a full cup of coffee ☕, it's just the perfection.
Iam eating whatching these art also iam puertorican like him and there is not a lot of People doing these tape of music
So I´m not the only one :) Only thing better is trying to scream with him and hitting 0,5% of the notes ;)
I'm making a pot roast rn 😂😂 coffee cooking and will screams.
He will go down as one of the greatest metal vocalists in history and just a solid genuine dude. So cool to see a talented good human being get recognition
hes a very down to earth guy and an amazing deathcore vocalist but as far as greatest metal vocalist in history is kinda a leap!
@@2SikPlays one of
@@quabbl6939 One of the greatest "deathcore" As good as he is 98 percent of the world would have no clue about him or deathcore in general if it wasnt for hellfire and the exposure made from youtube reaction channels. so saying one of the best is crazy when there countless death grindcore black metal deathcore vocalists out there doing the shit. is he great at his craft no doubt. its the same with alex terrible no one would have a clue about either of these dudes with out youtube reaction channels. so how many other artists out there are better that are just not as known yet ?
Like there old vocalist CJ does this same shit so i kinda find it crazy when someone just blown up by reaction channels is now the greatest to ever do it or some shit lol CJ is just as sick a deathcore vocalist. he just has a bad rep Don't get me wrong will is sick! but i dont believe any of these deathcore vocalist should be considered best metal vocalists of all time.
@@2SikPlays it just depends about Cj dude. His range is not nearly on the same level if you ask me. I think what carries Cj is how raw and animalistic his vocals are, but his lows aren’t insanely low and his high’s definitely aren’t all that high
Amazing, man.
Do the Pain Remains trilogy in a one take, break UA-cam. 😂
Lmao, doing a 20 minute one-take must have some sort of effect on the brain, voice whatever lol
@@kaidupree3564 he did all 3 live!😂
You mean break will 😂
I know he can do it, but that’s just rough
That's what I'm talking about!!🤘👽
Seen him do it live.
I like when the choir says "sweet potatus" at 00:35
Can’t unhear it now, thanks. Infernatus, sweet potatus.
thank you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro I can’t un hear sweet potatus now😂
bruh 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Its not leaving my ears 😂
I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. Will is the best thing to ever happen to Lorna Shore
Cj>>>>>>>>>
@@Daze066 tom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Will is the best thing to happen to modern metal in the past 5 or so years homeboy
@@jag1406 exactly!!!!
Where its true the band would never be where they are now without Will. The situation with CJ was handled pretty poorly especially when none of the accusations could be proven but his livelihood was already ruined by that point.
Anyone not seeing that this guy is one of the most talented extreme vocalists these days ignores science.
So glad that they haven't totally turned back on their old tunes. This song is one of the best metal songs of all time. easily.
They know that will can do it well and it’s good for the fanbase
"the beat dropped so hard my grandpa thought the Germans were back"
Will Ramos is a god, from his personality, his indescribable talent as a vocalist, he brings such a positive image to the metal community, he is a very likable guy. How he screams blows me away, the absolute best vocalist I have seen
Still one of the most epic songs ever made.
Easily my favorite deathcore song all time and floating in top 5 all song list for me
It’s always on rotation tbh. A true masterpiece
💯 %
Yeah bro I remember when this song came out. I was in awe. Such a banger. The immortal album from lorna shore was revolutionary honestly with this song leading the way
What are top 5?
The consistency of this man live and in studio is incredible.
And how he changes his range in the blink of an eye is mindblowing.
Unreal. All hail the Ramos 🙏
His range is fuckin insane
It’s truly amazingggg
I put him up with like Lord Marco and shit his talent is insane but Wills been GRINDING and improving like an elite guitarist or drummer etc would
I just finished watching the last dance and just have such respect for anyone that dedicates themselves that much to something
Lmaoooo, I see what you did there. Much respect
This will forever be my favorite song. My cousin (more like a brother) introduced me to Lorna Shore music about a year ago, and this is the first song he had me listen to. He went into Hospice the end of January 2023, and died February 5th at age 36 from complications of Ammaglobulinemia and adult resurgence of Polio. This song always gave me chills, and now moves me to tears. RIP Garrett Nelson.
Much love brother ❤ take care of yourself and those around you my man
Sorry for your loss. Bless his memory. Stay strong brother 🖤
RIP Garrett, he will live on through you brother🤍🙏🏼
This song generates so much emotion, it can help with the healing
❤
I feel Wills personality and energy is great for bringing new people into this kind of music. Amazing face out for the community
He's a nice guy with a demon vocal, exactly what we need
I’d love to hear Will Ramos cover Pantera or Slayer.
You right! He's puttin me to deathcore 🙃
@@pillanselmo9440 Yeah that's gonna be sound more demonic!!!.... 😃😃😃😈😈😈
Everyone I show his videos to pretty much hate it if they're not into metal already.
I just don't understand how this shit doesn't at least Impress someone.
His hair has a life of its own 💜
I like how he says "No problem" then suddenly a little sweat pop out off his face.
Like he said, it is really warm in the room hahahaha
Lyrics:
Repulsive sermonizer, vile wrathful prophesier
Psalms and chants disgorging in hateful tongues
Line up his children one by one forced to be hung
Let the sin filled air be ripped from their lungs
All the daughters, and the sons, and everyone you think you loved
The life that you lived that you thought was enough
Was not good enough when corrupt judgement day comes
The immortal question
The cesspool we rest in
The immortal question
When will you learn your fucking lesson?
Immortal, obscurity
In death, was once beauty
Eternal, tyrrany
A life of purpose bound to cruelty
The mouth sewn prophets
Bleed from their lips
For the scriptures of serpent skin, they can still run
Unanswered, inside
Empowered, in solace
The immortal question
The cesspool we rest in
The immortal question
When will you learn your fucking lesson?
Immortal, obscurity
In death, was once beauty
Eternal, tyrrany
A life of purpose bound to cruelty
The immortal question
The cesspool we rest in
The immortal question
The final breath that slips from your lungs
Is when you learn your lesson
The immortal question
The final breath that slips from your lungs
Is when you learn your lesson
All this madness
All of your depression
All of this madness
The scriptures, they will no longer be forced in
And shoved down your throat
Immortal, obscurity
In death, was once beauty
Eternal, tyrrany
A life of purpose bound to cruelty
The scripture they wrote
Will no longer be force fed
And shoved down your throat
Karaoke version? 😅
@@MikeB-nn4nh you know it 😂
"Bare with me"
Proceeds to give us everything we've ever wanted in life with those vocals.
Your skills are absolutely unmatched.
Oh my God yes! Immortal has always been one of my favorite Lorna shore songs!!!! So amazing to see you using your vocals on this one Will, CJ McCreery did an excellent version on the original but you fucking killed it bro
"Bear with me on this one"..... Proceeds to kill it.
This is incredible 💥👍🥳 Hope the next one is "Sun eater" 🙏👌
hope so
He just did a sun eater cover
You're in luck
He did
He did
“It’s a little hot in here, so bear with me.”
That’s a rough translation for “well I guess we’re going to the Hellfire”.
A little hot in here - proceeds to wear full button down denim lol. Bro he makes this look so effortless its ridiculous :)
“No problem” WHAT A FLEX 🥵
No pudo superar a CJ en esta canción
I thought he said "A little problem"
@@zavalavoltayou could be right. I went back and listened and it sounds like both tbh lol cheers!
I just watched Nik Nocturnal react to it, and after hearing it a second time, I think he does say "No problem". I see what you mean though
@@ELNACASO Hizo un "onetake" con una canción que está hecha con el estilo de CJ sin problemas y bastante impresionante dándole incluso un estilo propio, con estudio hubiese quedado increíble, en mi opinión Will está bastante por arriba de CJ
Anyone else absolutely loving Lorna Shore right now? A band that will definitely be introducing people to this genre, they did with me and now can't stop listening to them! Will, great video as always you legend! From Scotland 🏴🤘
Hell yeah brother! I'm spreading the gospel that is Lorna Shore to all my peers. Last one that I converted was my mom. Now shes headbanging to lorna shore and absolutely fucking adores Will :D Also my ex-gf who only listened to shitty rap, not the good kind.
Never heard of lorna shore up until about 8 months ago, and I've had this band on repeat since, seeing them at download in June, I'm so fucking stoked to hear this band!!! His voice gives me chills and his voice is mesmerising, keep it metal dude 🤘🤘
@@rayven1234 nice man, my mom was terrified when she listened to "to the hellfire" 🤣
Can we please get a soulless existence one take!?!? Would love to hear how you would perform that!!
We are witnesses to the future of music as a whole and this man will be a leading factor. It's wills world we're just living in it 😩🤣
100% fine with being a side character 🔥
@@c_aitlinj living life as a background NPC seems acceptable to me
@@aidxn3110 this > everything
He is the sleeping dreamer from Pain Remains 😮 gracious he dreamt us into being 🥰
Sorry. Not so sure about this…
“No problem” damn 😂 Will is too good, man
Will and Alex literally got me into deathcore. never thought id love the music because of the brutal vocals. but ive grown to appreciate the skill and talent that goes into all this. Thank you so much WIll
The most talented vocalist in metal ever! Bow in the presence of greatness
Will is becoming one of The Greats so fast, definitely a name that will be remembered in the scene even decades from now. Guys, we're pretty fuckin lucky to be hearing this right now I'd say
how did you comment this 4 hours ago? the video has only been out for 2 hours
@@jamesmcginty4506 patreon get to see it first
@@jamesmcginty4506 He releases it early for patreon subscribers :D alongside weekly covers that we help pick. I think its totally worth a few bucks to directly support your fave artist.
The song that got me into Lorna Shore, sounds so good coming from my favorite musician!! We appreciate you Will.
Straight up
🤡
I don't think will is a musician but who knows I could be wrong.
"a person who plays a musical instrument, especially as a profession, or is musically talented"
Will is indeed musically talented, so yes he is a musician.
@Claire Jansen Van Rensburg screaming isn't "musical" it's "textural" (unless you're screaming in key like Mario from gojira). Will can sing though so I'll kiss him on the forehead whenever I see them live.
I will forever love this energy.
3:45 COME ON MAN. YOU CAN’T MAKE ME WANT TO JUMP OFF A ROOF LIKE THAT MAN
Bro I really wanna hear what sun//eater or apotheosis would sound like in a one take
For real bro! wrath would be sick too
@@mikegivesnofuckss1732 welcome back o sleeping dreamer 😳
We live in the golden age of vocalists...keep em comin' 👑
Can we get a re-recording of all the past albums with your vocals??
That would be top tier honestly! Or at least some of the most popular songs in a compilation
I would love FVNERAL MOON with Will
nah lol, maybe immortal, but they shouldn’t touch tom’s stuff, it’s already perfect
@@gustavohp3439It does cost $, but I briefly paid for his Patreon access and omg I am pretty sure he covered the entire Immortal album over there. Always loved the album but after hearing Will’s take on it I hardly want to listen to the original (and I love CJ but Will is sooo much more technical)!
You may find some of his takes on YT but some are from his Patreon while others were taken from a live concert he did fairly early on when he became the vocalist (which even those were solid but his more recent Patreon versions were FAR better)
@@chikinonfrydaimaybe not tom’s stuff but definitely CJ’s songs
The range is absolutely core stunning and soul searing, absolutely beautiful in every way bringing every emotion, damn bro save some for the rest of us
One of the most gifted extreme vocalists ever. And also one of the most hardworking
Gifted?
That's fucking hard work and dedication
@@youreadopted3960 read the whole comment :)
I wrote the same
@@user-ji9hw4nf7p i read it
And i commented about "gifted" :D
@@youreadopted3960 ok, i just think in Will's case we have both
Hahahahahahahahahaha
4:46
Will: *casually releases the sounds of Cthulu and Satan from the infernal pits of hell themselves*
Also Will: No problem.👍
All of that while in his pants.
Holy shit dat banshee hit
Listen to the original singer..... it's way better
@@kyledecampos3436 this is a one take vocal record... come on
@@kyledecampos3436 no.
"Had some time off so I thought I'd add to my legendary repertoire " Will=Epic
It's just amazing that he can go from deep growling to goblin screech to his normal speaking voice. It really fucks with you lmao.
This is a masterpiece. Everything Lorna shore does is a masterpiece!
5:40 I like how he does the “crank dat soldier boy” motion he’s so funny 😂😂😂
Will Ramos is setting the bar to "unreachable." I'm happy to be alive and witness this once in a lifetime vocalist. Absolutely incredible.
And this is just the beginning. He has so much more to offer and we are getting to see that bloom. Bet, 5 years from now he is gonna be on a level that is as you said "unreachable".
Ever heard of Travis Ryan?
Dickie Allen…. Which is where will learned his style from lol
@@lilpoe13 exactly
@@kakalibiswas3749 people need to give infant annilator more credit fr, because without dickie allen there would have never been a will ramos that does this kind of vocals
Incredible!!! Will you’re an absolute beast with your vocals.
Side note: I’d love to hear Elizabeth (the charismatic voice) feature in a Lorna Shore song. Her beautiful opera voice would be perfect as backing vocals against your demon voice!
the fact that this was done as a one take is fucking incredible, so clean and precise, hard to believe the vocals Will has are human
Some people think its talent. But i like to call work, pain and exercise. I love how much work put in every song. And his power in his voice is unmatcheble.
I don't understand why people are amazed by "one takes", that's exactly what going to see a band perform live is
@@kaliban2747 pero con sonido de estudio
I mean, every band can perform every song in one take. That's how they play live.....😂
@@p4fizzle In deathcore it's kinda different)
I don't think I'll ever get over hearing the symphony sing, "Feed the mongoose!"
What did you just do! This song will never be the same for me after this.
@@jzxe10I agree, the song will never be the same
@@HamsterPooh I always say "or he'll djent!" 😂
i always hear "EAT the mongoose"
Thank God I'm not the only one lol
Every one take is even more incredible the last, hopefully he does more immortal songs soon.
King ov deception please🤤
Pretty sure he's done covers for most of em on his Patreon
He did a lot of cover on is Patreon, check it mate 👍
@@jonnyo9856 yeah, he has covers of the album songs album, except for some of them including King Ov Deception lol
He's done pretty much the whole album on his Patreon
Killing it like always! Love you Will!
A consistência desse vocal é um absurdo! Brazil here 🇧🇷
🤘🏼🇧🇷🖤
🇧🇷🇧🇷
As much as I love CJ's version, I absolutely want to credit Will for not trying to do a CJ-cover, but sounding like he always does, doing his own tricks -which obviously sound otherwordly! 🙌🏼 Epic playthrough. And yes, imo, Will is one of the best-if not the best metal vocalist of our time.
I came to say literally the exact same thing. I love CJs version but this one just hits a different way cause will did his own shit the entire song. Respect it
We just gonna sit here and pretend will wasn't inspired by CJ?s vocal style? Their low growls are nearly identical
@@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God Ummm.. Inspired? Well inspiration is never a bad thing.. but, I have to say, that Will's lows have literally sounded like this as long as he's been doing death core vocals, which was way before CJ was even in LS. Of course Will has improved since that, but I think it's more of a coincidence that CJ and Will have the same tone in their lows.. maybe that's why he was also a good choice for replacing CJ. But I cannot think why Will would ever need to try and sound like anyone else but.. Will. 😅
@@atlantis4156 he's a CJ fan. Most people will defend their favorite person no matter what. Even when the vast majority of highs and lows sound pretty much the same. Slight differences only
Yeah he switched it up. Which version is better.. hmm.. at least we have choices now... 😁
I hope that you guys do a “live” record like Dance Gavin Dance does (Tree City Sessions) where you can redo older songs without disrespecting the albums. Because Will, this is fire.
Edit: or just re-record a 2.0 version of all the old albums. I would buy in a heartbeat.
This!!!! Will buy instantly.
the album "immortal" is almost complete on his patreon. he should promote this more since i discovered it only because some dick uploaded the "patreons only" stuff on youtube and people in the comment were talking about his patreon. now that shit is gone but i will forever thanks the guy that did a wrong but let me know about his patreon by doing the wrong :D
will should definitely redo older songs
Honestly not re-doing CJ's parts is disrespect in and of itself.
You know they already re-recorded the album with Will and released it last year, right?
Incredible! I wonder what Will’s take on a Lorna song from Tom’s time in the band would sound like 🤔
Infernum.
my man can record an album in an hour, one take straight through. absolute beast
I wasn't expecting Will doing immortal playthrough, that's sick dude
we are gathered here today to listen to this masterpiece
🧐🧐
I’m a simple man. I see new Will Ramos vocal play through, I hit like. 🔥
Fax
Saw them live, the whole band is amazing. But, Will is on another plane of existence. Truly remarkable talent.
Honestly austin too is a god behind the kit
Mannnnn, so good! I love Will's take and general stylistic choices. 4:01 even, it's so minor but hits different.
Also mans is definitely pantsless with a jean jacket and I respect that. 😂 Stoked to see what Will/LS puts out next!
The high-pitched squeal at 04:50 really did it for me. I don't understand how anyone can be so clean and crisp with their growls, grunts, and squeals, but here Will is, taking it to the next level as always.
That banshee scream was totally unexpected, but it was so damn gooooood. Will is one of my top 3 vocalist of all time. No doubt.
I love doing those high banshee screams. It's always fun at parties ^^
@@SoundaXx Yours sounds like it's probably wicked nuts, dude.
I wonder if that’s the “tea kettle scream” he did when he had the camera down his throat? Or a variation of it anyways
I mean you know what they say...where there's Will, theres a way lol
Will, I just finished your extreme vocal warmup course with Chris and Elizabeth, and I just wanted to say thank you!
I've been screaming in all the wrong ways, and to have a free, accessible introduction into this dark world has been nothing short of life changing. One day I'll embark upon the full quest.
I don't use much screaming in my own music (yet to be released...), but I'll consider myself that much capable thanks to your hard work and great instruction. And who knows, maybe with practice, it'll come more naturally and creatively to me. Rock on 🤘🏽
3:36 holy f... these highs are so fricking cool.
As Will said, no problem! Crushed it 🤘!
his technique is really amazing
What. The. Hell? Never heard him before, clicked on his sleep Token Hypnosis cover and then clicked on this 😱 👏
Will Ramos is out of this world!!
One take INSANE!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
THE DIFFERENT PITCHS IN SUCH A SHORT SPAN OF TIME
Hearing this live was just so damn beautiful. All of Lorna Shore deserves the best for their hard work.
It is time for Opeth cover! Brutal growls and clean singing! Will, make it happen.
Yes, please!
Ghost of Perdition and Blackwater Park mandatory 🙏🙏🙏
@@Bhavik.D.Sharma he would nail Ghosts
Agree. Hopefully next Lorna is more “experimental” or even has some metalcore choruses. Use will to full effect
This isn't a vocal tutorial, but can still learn a bit from it. So relaxed and chill, yet the vocals still sound brutal. Music videos and live performances give the impression that a lot of energy has to be put in to sound like that. And that's how a lot of starting vocalist (including myself) end up hurting themselves.
Babe wake up, new Will Ramos one take playthrough just dropped
as a lover of old lorna shore, as well as new, i can honestly say this is equally as good as CJs version, and those are big shoes to fill. all hail the ramos. lol
His Patreon is 100% worth it! Absolutely masterful.
Pure Love..Angel face , but voice like a demon 🤘🏽🖤
Light and gentle as usual. Thank you, bro!!
Incredible as always. Really hoping for a full Immortal (Will edition) Album release in the future. I would buy that shit in a heartbeat.
Will is so good but it would be hard to top CJ on that album.
@@Max-oi6op No problem
@@Max-oi6op he already has. Only has 2 songs left to do.
That won't happen 😂
This is one of the most greatest things ever! Will you’re absolutely talented and an national treasure!
I can't get enough of this man! Beautiful!
I love his focus and enunciation. This is my inspiration as a vocalist.
Everytime I think I'm getting used to his voice he pulls a different tone out and fucks my life up all over again🤣
4:49 Will tremendo, sos un genio total!! Ese rango y esos graves ... sin palabras
Those piercing highs were on point on this one!!
Otra poderosisima obra maestra del sr Ramos 🇦🇷🇦🇷🔥🔥 los esperamos en Argentina algún Tour o algo ⭐⭐⭐
So yeah, I love Will Ramos voice, When I Heard 'To The Hellfire' I fell in love with his voice, his brutality, but... This song is just matched perfectly to CJ voice. No one will ever match his job at this great, masterpiece and powerful album. Just my opinion, I still loving Will, but CJ will love for ever as the demonic great voice of Lorna Shore once upon a time ...
Great work Will, thanks so much for this cover, there is a lot people curious as me of this song with your voice, thank you so much!
Yes, agree with you, this song is so belong with CJ but if will did this is also great to hear it
Your talent is unmatched Will and I hope you realize that. Love the music and your vocals!
Hearing Wills vocals lights up my dark soul. Thank you so much Will.😊🖤❤️
This is fucking amazing
Okay, so I'm just putting this out there as someone who really got into Lorna Shore when I heard "To The Hellfire" for the first time, but...after going back and listening to the original version of "Immortal", I would LOVE to hear like a studio single of "Immortal" done with you on vocals, Will, along with all the layering and such. The guitar hooks with your vocals...it's chilling, and I'm all for it
I just cannot get over the fact this is live. Absolute god tier vocalist and you sound so lovely 🥺🥺
I love what you bring to the metal world. Thank you, Will
Thanks for this Playthrough. One of my favorite songs. From Russia with love.
He's got such an amazing energy to him. I just wanna sit down and have a few pints with the dude. One of the realest dudes in the scene right now.
Same. He seems like he'd be alot of fun to talk to. Just good vibes all around.
He makes it look so easy!! Never ceases to amaze me
You are not human! I've been wanting this forever! Thankb you Will.
Insane. I prefer CJ's version but you did it perfectly. Great to hear your version of this song too. Would also like to see one take on other songs in the immortal album. Keep it up your covers,one takes are always fun to watch.
Hot take!
@@banehog not a hot take
@@banehognot really a hot take. I mean CJ recorded the original vocals so
@@recruitdifficulty1638 oh wow, that changes EVERYTHING /s