I feel the question is less whether Cyclops could wear contacts, but how inconvenient they'd be to remove and replace whenever he needs to fire his optic blasts
There must be a lot of problems with Cyclops' eye care regime. He's unlikely to have had a proper eye examination in his entire life; there could be all sorts of things going wrong in there and he wouldn't know. He can't put eye drops in. Everything he sees is through ruby quartz-tinted spectacles so his colour perception is going to be strange. My other questions: Are his eye bogies explosive in the morning? Have they found anything else that blocks his optic beams apart from ruby quartz? How does he not have a nemesis with ruby quartz skin?
As a former optician, I can say that the contact lenses make absolutely no sense without them not being necessary at all. With his glasses or his goggles before them, he could close his eyes to put them on. That does not work with contact lenses, lol.
At first I wanted to explain that his blasts don't have any effect on himself or ruby quartz, then I realized that he'd be blasting everything in the periphery until the contact was close enough. I suppose he could look at his unstable molecule suit while inserting the contacts.
One thing that the movie pointed out, that I really liked and as far as I know of the comics never addressed, is that every time Wolverine popped his claws, it causes him pain. It’s knives going through his skin, and even though he has the power to heal fast, he still feels everything.
In the original Weapon X origin, special channels were built into his arms so they could pop out without injuring him like how predators don't need to break skin when they extend their claws. There was a period when the metal covers on his gloves were also drawn on his bare hands. Cutting himself with every snikt wasn't a concern until after his bone claws grew (back) in. Now you'd expect his claws to come out slathered in his own blood instead of shiny & clean.
I remember The Juggernaut's helmet specifically blocking telepathy in the 90s cartoon. So having Magneto's helmet also blocking telepathy made sense. I thought Magneto's helmet always protected him from Charles' telepathy even if that was only established by the movies. It sort of became a retroactive head canon.
If I'm understanding you correctly I agree. In more times than not, the films mess-up the comics, but not maliciously... different mediums grant you different allowances. But occasionally movies course correct, in a good way, and it makes more sense to me having Magneto having a Prof X blocking helmet than the Juggernaut. Imo.
Funny since Morrison's "uniforms" look like chav jerseys of scene kids from UK, straight out of a Blur music video. Or gopniks wearing Adidas. It's such a smug Gen X attitude but also parading as victims of being ostracized, while their generation is probably most out of tune privileged rich kids in terms of cutting living expenses and exporting trash to 3rd world, like discarded fast fashion. Right in between vietnam war protests and 2010's climate crisis, they really did not care.
Brain damage can be repaired, but the memories can't. If I were Wolverine whose past was swiss cheesed for some reason, I'd wear a helmet covered in bubble wrap. Slow that brain/adamantium collision a little.
Personally, I absolutely HATE when adaptations are embarrassed by the source material they are adapting. The first X-Men film is a good movie IMO, but this sentiment of embarrassment towards the comics absolutely RADIATES throughout the film, and I honestly kind of resent the film for that
That's because I took a couple of decades for mainstream media to accept geek culture. Which sucks, but that's how life is. But you shouldn't be embarrassed the source material
LotR is one, no you don't. You just have a bias to ignore it when it works, which is more often than not. There's a reason Sauron is a literal fiery eyeball to look cool, and not ramblings of Tom bombadill about environment and the conceptual panopticon of spooky industrialization. TMNT was skittish of violence in the comics. Batman couldn't handle Zorro's anti-colonialism and The good the bad and the Ugly didn't even LAND its satire on American audiences. Winnie the Pooh is too depressing for kids. On and on and on, disrespecting geeks is HOW an IP gets big. If you stay respectful, you're The Flight of Dragons to the average The Legend of Zelda. You don't get to be Spongebob ousting out John K from Ren and Stimpy style, or Miracle Star creating more store brand episodes of Gumball.
I really hated the "yellow spandex" line. Within the reality of the movie, why does Cyclops think Wolverine would be expecting to wear yellow spandex? The characters haven't read the X-Men comic books, so why would they be thinking about "yellow spandex"?
You can absolutely see the hate for comics in the movie. There are so many lines where he (you know it was Singer) said how stupid the stuff from the comics are. Mystique's look was something they tried in the comics and rolled that back just as fast. Same with Spider-man's organic web shooters.
Personally I actually prefer the organic webbing (in part because the non-organic webbing is way too easy to become a crutch), but yeah, the movie mystique look didn’t work so well in the comics.
@forsociopoliticalstuff2629 How were the webshooters a crutch? They highlight Peter’s ingenuity while also providing some dramatic element like if he suddenly ran out. All in all, they offer narratively more than the organic webbing.
As an artist, I have ONLY drawn Wolverine's claws coming out between his knuckles since the first movie. It just makes more sense than the top of his hand.
The movie Batman and robin failure at the box office did an impact on the superhero genre movie. The producers were honestly afraid that this would be another failure for the fox company
That movie was fun. Though, I did get tired of having to see it on repeat during the 2000s. But the bottom line is sometimes stories adapted from comic books don't always have to be so grim and gritty.
“I’ve got to call Erik ‘Magnus’, because otherwise he’ll call me Charlie, and that just makes throwing cars at each other awkward.” - Professor X, deflecting all questions about Krakoa.
This remind me how the 90's Spider-Man tv show became the blue prints for the Raimi's Spider-Man movies and in turn those movies became the blue prints for the 2000 era comics.
Agreed, that show along woth the movies very much impacted and cemented some things that weren't in the comics before. They also impacted other movies, such as the Blade movies adapting the character of Whistler who debuted on the show originally.
Specifically, Venom's origin from the cartoon was used in the movie, since the original origin is tied to Secret Wars and is thus too complicated to fit into a movie. The Spiderverse also started in this cartoon, although it didn't have that stupid name.
@KasumiKenshirou Nope. Or at least not really. They had their Episode come out first but they took that idea (and whistler ) from what they had been told about the movies script So they did take it from the movie but got their one out first
I think what makes Grant Morrison's pitch extra funny is that his Flex Mentallo short series came before and was all about teaching why funny costumes and sweet messages are a good thing. And they're not even half a decade apart 💀
It makes me think the pitch was made just to give him the book. He knew what the bandits editors wanted to hear so he said it so they would give him the book. He then went on to do whatever he wanted
It’s funny that he brings up Wolverines hair looking like his mask because the movies did that too. Because how else would you know it’s him? Comics need visual signifiers like that to make characters stand out. It’s why Jim Lee’s designs are still getting used and the black leather looks hopelessly 90s in retrospect. Same goes for Cyclops having contacts. The most important part of his design is that you can’t see his eyes. It’s like if you made Matt Murdock blond with blue glasses. Now he’s some other guy.
It's interesting how much apathy Grant had for Marvel vs the reverence he has for DC properties in many later interviews. It's like a night and day difference
In all fairness, no Marvel character aside from maybe Spider-Man and Captain America can match the legacy and iconography of DC's characters. Of course there's Superman and Batman, but even Marvel's most popular speedster Quicksilver can't match The Flash in terms of pop culture impact or just day-to-day conversations.
The eventual reveal of Rogue's real name actually threw me a bit. For the longest time, I was under the impression that early usage of her powers had messed up her memory so she didn't remember what her name was. But turns out she just never told anybody. :P
Bryan's mentality reminded me of the Double Dragons movie director being angry telling the staff that its a movie for kids even tho the game had allot of adult themes....
And it's sad that he still had that mentality all the way up to Apocalypse. In an interview, he was asked about Apocalypse growing big and Singer said it would look stupid like King Kong swatting at planes. He kinda did it in a mind palace, but him saying that showed where his head was. Now I'm wondering if Marvel stopped him from doing it because Civil War did it with GiAnt-man. And that came out a few weeks before.
I feel that Comics aren't only being affected by the movies. Pretty much all cartoons take inspiration from X-Men films like Evolution, anime, and Wolverine & X-Men.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp there was a love triangle, but Logan isn't in it. Plus, it would be weird for a teacher to chase a teenage girl in the show. They replaced Logan with Rogue in the love triangle.
Things I remember that the movies inserted into the public consciousness: •Cerebro is dangerous for weaker unskilled telepaths. Seriously. We even have non-telepaths using it in the comics. •Phoenix is Jean Grey’s alter ego. Not technically against canon based on Claremont’s og story, but it wasn’t current canon at the time. •Jean Grey is the most powerful mutant to exist. Honestly, it depends on the context one means. But anyone that dismisses the Phoenix will readily point out this is in contention with characters like Legion or Nate Grey existing. •Rogue’s main power is her drain. Not technically incorrect, but most comic and cartoon fans remember Rogue for her flight and strength. Thank 97 for bringing this back to the public consciousness. •Magneto’s helmet blocks telepathy. Already discussed in the video. •Black is cool. Dated time period. What can we say? Thank the MCU for undoing the damage. •Magneto is primarily ferrokinetic (moves metal). Not incorrect, but anyone who has seen the comics or cartoon knows that is only a fraction of what he can do. •Mystique is a Brotherhood member. Very odd to think about in retrospect if you grew up with the movies. •Magneto helped Charles build Cerebro. Unless I’m mistaken, there was never a reference of Magneto helping Charles build Cerebro until the movies. •Wolverine is better leader of the X-Men. Main character syndrome that annoys Cyclops and Storm fans to no end. •Pyro and Iceman’s rivalry. Honestly, this is more of an opposite elemental trope that just feels right. But it is not a highlight in the comics. •Jean is receptive of Wolverine’s flirting somewhat. In the comics, Jean is a lot more apprehensive. She is friendly with Wolverine, but she does not exactly return his affections, save for one moment and it is met with immediate regret. The movies display Jean liking Logan’s comments a lot more, even bantering back a little.
Mystique is more often a Brotherhood leader. As were Magneto and Toad, come to think of it. Sabretooth (at the time more of a solo act or Marauder at the time) who was the odd one out.
i mean, Rouge's main power IS her drain... the flight and strength are things she sucked out of Miss Marvel (as in the current Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers) with her drain
I really hate the way they write Jean and Logan. He used to be a man that pushed boundaries, not a nice person. Let him cross the line one too many times and have Scott plant Logan thirty feet in the Earth with concussive fafo blasts.
Scott could NOT wear contacts! Scott was the ultimate nerd back in the day! He HAD to wear "glasses" or he would destroy everything around him! Glasses wearers could RELATE! Plus, Jean chose HIM over rich, beautiful Warren, who had angelic wings and NO glasses! Nerdboy nirvana!
Funny note: the final issue of the second What If series, Rogue's name is "Carol," presumably from adopting Ms. Marvel's background. It's not explained further, so, that.
There was a comic that took place 25 years after the original Secret Wars and Rogue had a daughter with Captain America. It was revealed that it was actually Carol in the driver's seat
When comics were pushed under Hugh Jackman's door, it was done my a just starting out producer, Kevin Feige, hell, he fought for Wolverine's hair. When the movie and Ultimate Universe were coming out, I got the merch and sought every piece of news when it was coming out. I instantly knew something was changing for the X-Men and Spider-Man, even when I was 7 and 8 at the time, but I couldn't be more happier! Looking back, it was a double edged sword, because we were never getting he more outlandish stuff done with justice. (The cat blooper got me anxious, because my cat of the past several months won't shut up at times... I can't do it!)
I've been thinking a lot lately about how much Raven from the Teen Titans has changed especially since the cartoon twenty years ago. I'm not exactly sure what happened in the comics since then, but her character is SO different, even when Marv Wolfman is writing.
"Science that science" with Cyclops's powers? Every time the comics do that his powers just get more convoluted. We're dealing with portals to a kinetic force dimension whose particles vanish on contact with ruby quarts or the flesh of a subset of the Summers family and bounce off surfaces when convenient. That said, on the surface, the contacts would work once they are in given the lore. However, they are way less practical since his eyes have to be open when putting them in and taking them out. That means unshielded punch cannons until each contact is in place.
From what I understand; when Cyclops opens his eyes, Ray Palmer (The Atom) flies out of them and punches people. He punches really hard, because he is emerging from the Snyderverse, with the rage of a billion exploding suns.
It would be interesting to see you discuss the other films and how they differ/influenced the comics, especially with Mystique and how she changed so much. I feel like theres potentially a videos worth of talking points on her alone from the design to the actresses and of course the storyline.
14:27 The "..what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning?" line was one of Joss Whedon's. Whedon wrote a stupid line and then blamed the actress for "saying it wrong".
Singer's derangement about the source material really explains why Magneto was a frail old man willing to sacrifice Rogue to turn humans into mutants. I don't believe there's any version of Magneto who would do that.
I'm just really glad that we're in an era where comic accurate costumes in adaptations aren't seen as "too silly" or like something that needs to be "fixed". Comic accurate costumes can look very cool and striking if done correctly and taken seriously, especially with some minor tweaks to account for the shift in medium. I'll never not laugh at X-Men '97 poking fun at the old movies for poking fun at the costumes from the comics, that line was hilarious! Also Wolverine FINALLY getting his iconic costume for the first time in film for Deadpool and Wolverine! Now I know a lot of people didn't like the costume revealed for James Gunn's Superman movie, but personally I kinda like it; it's not perfect, but I think it's pretty good. Here's hoping we can get a comic accurate Batman suit when The Brave and The Bold comes out too, now that would be really cool to see.
There are days I think “If only we could somehow make a bunch of world leaders disabled, all at once. Then they’d understand our problems firsthand and make stronger accessibility laws.” Then I remember that’s literally Magneto’s evil plan from the first X-Men movie. 😅
@@akale2620 Lol, it was meant to indicate that I’m a chick. Dr. Franklin Anderson was a character in a podcast but he was a dude, so I changed it to match the woman’s name Lynn. Hasn’t helped-most of the time people assume I’m a guy, and I’ve even gotten some medical questions from people who think I’m a real doctor. At this point I’ve had it so long I’m too stubborn to change, much like my old default icon.
@@DrFranklynAnderson 2 things. 1. Shoulda gone with a actually famous char, no one knows it's a joke or reference, your not exactly calling yourself Tony stark here. 2. If it's like Lynn if that's your real name, franklynn perhaps.
Frank Quietly drew Wolverine as "Smoochy." I couldn't stop laughing at how this was supposed to resemble Hugh Jackman. Also, Cyclops can't push his own hand with his optical blasts, so he could put in contacts. He'll smash the entire room during the process, but he could put them in.
Michael Jackson wanting to play Professor X is wild 1:01 😂 I *_LOVE_* the King (R.I.P🕊️) and his love of comics but.. no Cyclops wearing contacts could never work. He'd need both eyes wide open to put them in and everything around him would get destroyed, not to mention the lense flying off his finger due to the potency of the optic blast
Annoying that the only movie to get the MCU's designation right so far is an animated Spider-Man movie. Come on, people, calling it Earth 616 in Far From Home was supposed to be a hint that Mysterio was lying, not the actual designation.
Ruby contacts wouldn't work for Cyclops because he'd have to take them out and put them back in again every time he beamed and that would also mean he's always going full power, I like to think there's a dial or something on his visor that controls how much force he's using
The Official Marvel Handbook has schematics detailing how the Visor's Ruby Quartz plates can control the arrangement, from narrow to wide beam discharge. So, yes.
@@thatHARVguy And he's also got pressure sensitive switches in his gloves. That was explained in one of the few X-Men comics I have read: a reprint of an old issue from back when Stan Lee was still working on it.
8:46 Kinda...It's been established that ruby quartz and his skin are able to absorb the concussive force of his blasts. So he would be able to put in ruby quartz contacts because they wouldn't just shoot out when he opens his eyes or when he's trying to put them in. But the thing is that the beams don't come from his irises or pupils. They shoot out from the whole eyeball or the dimensional portals that opens up when he opens his eyelids. So even if he did wear contacts, they really wouldn't do a thing to stop the beams from coming out. At the most, he'd just punch donut holes into objects. EDIT: But I really, really wish that superhero books didn't try to emulate movies and video games and television and didn't follow that trend back in the aughts. Its bad enough that they didn't have advertisements for comics and comic shops at the beginning and end of those adaptations and that there wasn't a serious effort to put comics into more places than bookstores and comic shops, but I feel like this (Marvel and the Industry at large) need to be more like other entertainment properties just made it easier to make comics invisible. But that's the problem when comics are defined by one genre, and the companies that produce the most of that genre are branching out to other places. Comics are their own thing. Their own medium with their own advantages in storytelling and visuals. They shouldn't be defined as supplemental or secondary or outright inferior to other forms of entertainment or other mediums.
His powers being tied to another dimension is a writers myth started in the 80s. Cyclops powers are to absorb ambient energy, convert it and expel it from his eyes. There are issues where he runs out of energy and needs to recharge, as well as maxing out and needing to expel some energy. There are psionic abilities tied into the mix which is how his body is protected from this energy and I believe he utilizes the psionic field to send the blasts out of his eyes.
@@gringles It's called a "retcon", not a "writer's myth". Writer's myth implies that the writers and/or audience are injecting concepts into the story that go against the will of the editors and Marvel, and that ain't true and hasn't been for a long time. Even though any sense of a "hard canon" to things was limited, as more and more fans become creators in Marvel and the pay and contracts got worse, more and more retcons have been applied from arc to arc or even from issue to issue or team/book to team/book based off whoever is writing and what got them social media views and kept them on the books and paid. And (since the 2000's at the earliest) there hasn't been a sense of the editorial staff actually sitting down and figuring out what is and what isn't canon and what the actual past and future are for their characters and stories beyond...basically the same criteria but favoring Marvel the company and their own paychecks. Even though Marvel staff has always been a constantly changing crew of freelance (and contract) writers and artists contributing and changing different aspects of these character's lives and abilities, there still needed to be a story and character bible to things to keep it straight and to give a sense of real direction and growth to the books. So, fine. Cyclops' eyes no longer have a portal that opens to a near-infinite source of energy. But calling it a "writer's myth" gives the illusion of cohesion and thoughtfulness and consideration that isn't there and hasn't been there for decades. And just feels really, really insulting. Yeah, I'm going to shut up now.
On the cyclops contacts point, if the glasses arent constant being knocked off, i dont see why contacts would, although sticking "ruby quartz" into your eyes does not sound comfortable
blue is often added as a highlight colour to purely black things, because otherwise you end up with a big unreadable black blob it's such a thing that manga does it, too
If you want to “fix” Scott’s face, just have his brain damage repaired. Use the source material. Scott can’t control his blasts because he fell on his head. Have a healer fix his head bump.
As always, you do impeccable work. Personally, Claremont's run in the 70s to 90s will always be "my X-Men." I enjoyed the movies fine, and I'm glad they paved the way for better comic book films. But comics now take too many "hard turns." Morrison's New X-Men and Wheddon's run on the series were both like, "WTF just happened?" It was like tuning into a TV show you watch and then mid-season they've replaced all the actors and changed the entire tone of the show. I'm not a fan of that. Evolution, not "reinvention" is the key to good storytelling. If you don't want to write X-Men (or whatever), write something else.
What’s funny about that is that Claremont kept fighting with editorial because he really wanted to reinvent the X-Men much more radically and more often, things like having Cyclops actually and permanently retire once rather than keep bouncing off and on the team… I don’t disagree with you - Claremont’s X-Men is my X-Men as well, one of the great runs in comic book history.
@@joelpartee594 I've long been a fan of updating the Marvel comics universe to actually "age" with real life. It would have been great if Magneto didn't have to keep getting de-aged or if Cyclops had actually retired. It'd be great to see the world actually grow and change. And to have characters actually die and stay dead. It'd also make characters like Wolverine even more interesting, as they continue on while everyone around them retires and/or dies.
Ruby Quartz Contacts would probably work like a "1 and Done" situation . Like they wouldn't be useful for combat but if Scott and Jean were on a date or something and Scott accidentally got mad and fired off an Optic Blast the contacts would withstand the initial blast but if he fired them off again they would undoubtedly shatter. I've thought about this exact idea way more than I'd like to admit but Cyclops is my favorite alongside Storm and Iceman 😆
I rarely make comments but I really enjoyed this video! I feel like this particular style of video is fascinating. How did the movie affect its comic book counterpart going forward? You usually do great work but this is a banger!!!
I like your idea about contacts for Cyclops. Here's the catch. He can close his eyes, which also turns off his powers, while slipping on glasses or a visor to block his power. But putting in contacts requires keeping his eyes open. With his eyes open, his powers would activate before he could put in the contacts. Not sure if slipping in the contacts would effectively block his powers while they are already active. It would be interesting to test.
You know when they gave rogue a name, Anne Marie Rankin, given her ability to absorb powers, I really thought they would say she was related to Calvin Rankin, Mimic with the ability to copy powers and in the comics rogue already has an expansive family history, Mystique adoptive/surrogate mother, Nightcrawler as surrogate/foster brother, Destiny as other mother, Mystiques other son Graydon Creed, and his father, Sabertooth it's a large family and we all know X-Men is a soap opera
My first introduction to X-Men was watching the animated series with my older brother where he was like "my favourite is wolverine and he's in love with Jean but she is dating this guy and I want her to be with wolverine" so when I saw the film it was like he had pitched it, making wolverine the main character and Jean clearly preferring him over Cyclops 😅. Also my beloved Anna Paquin inspired Rogue's name? I'm impressed!
The solo Wolverine comic, from 2001, depicted him somewhat in physical appearance to his movie counterpart. 159 was my first comic, so seeing him going back to his comic accurate appearance was a mindtrip.
This has nothing to do with the X-Men, but all those Buffy clips got me thinking, you seem to be a Buffy fan( seen the book behind you often) and as I am a BIG Buffy fan who has never read any Buffy/Angel comics, any chance of covering them sometime? Pretty Please? 😁
On the terms of Bleed-back or synergy with outside media, I usually think its a good idea, not to be beholden to one or the other, but taking what works from new adaptations and making it work in the original continuity. The point of adaptations are to reach a new audience after all and if it makes them interested in checking out the original work you want the transition to be as smooth as possible. Also some notes on how the X-Men film affected the comics, they (and X-Men Evolution to an extent) lead to Rogue losing her Ms. Marvel powers in the comics and she wouldn't get her flying brick powers back until like 2013-14ish. Also Mystique took on her movie look in X-Men Forever #6 and I guess canon-wise just shapshifts back into her classic look because she likes it more. And a big one is Wolverine's Origin being told in full in the comics because they thought the movies would eventually do it anyway so they wanted to get ahead of it.
As horrendous and deserved as Joss Whedon's fall from grace was, his run on Astonishing X-Men was a solid rebuke of both Bryan Singer's and Grant Morrison's interpretations of Marvel's Merry Mutants. Not that New was totally off. It did find very interesting beats and angles that still resonate to this day.
i don't think that every change made by the movies was negative, but i feel that OVERALL the changes (and especially the "everything that came before is dumb and stupid and for nerds" esque mindset that LED to those changes) was a loss for x men comics that is still lowkey being felt today. in general when you have a (seeming) lack of basic respect for your source material, things aren't going to go well in the long run.
didn't know about what you were saying about Magneto's helmet. i just assumed it was always a blocker for telepathy. didn't know it took the movie to come up with that idea. that was a pretty useful change to the comics, I like that.
No way contact lenses could contain Scott's "dread power". He'd blast them right out every time. Unless they rolled up and got stuck behind his eyeballs. Plus, the visor just looks cool.
@@kingol4801 Not really, because he raises (or used to raise) his glasses to use the power. With his visor, he opens it when he uses it. But how do the contacts get out of the way when he uses his eye blast?
@5:20 Yes! It was always weird to me that the Marvel & Dave Cockrum (artist) were like "How will they know its wolverine with out the mask?" "The other characters will call him logan?" "NO! BUT...his hair should look like his mask, print it! Excelsior!"
Originaly I approached the movies with cautious optimism, but it didn't last two long. Main problems to me? - first 3 movies were basicly Wolverine and some background characters - the later movies starting with First Class were Professor X, Magneto and Mystiques show. An X--Men team ? What team ? I've got tired pretty fast.
A whole video on the changes the 1st X-men movie had on the comics & not once ever bring up X-men Forever by Nicieza & Maguire: the series specifically made to implement movie changes to current continuity (and also clear out a whole lot of open plots).
I don't remember where I got this info from, most of the X-men knowledge does come from the 90s cartoon, but I had always believed Xavier couldn't use his powers on mutants at the same or higher level, even if they weren't psychic. Similar to First Class when he comments that he can only hold someone as powerful as Shaw but a short time. Also, loved first class. Mostly because they finally introduced knew characters that weren't restricted to the background.
X2 is my favorite X-men movie. I liked the topic about the 2000 X-men movie. My mother went and saw the movie, which surprised me since she never like me reading comics so obsessively. After she saw the movie she said "I now know why you like comics" and she said it was great movie. The fact that the 2000 X-men movie appealed to my mother of all people, really shows the when handled well, the X-men stories can go mainstream. I loved the Ultimate X-men comics.
I believe that the contacts could block the blasts, as it is still a barrier. It does not seem that he could shoot, though. He could take one out and target with the other then wink at things.🤔🤔
Some of the things that different creators come up with when given the same basic premise are amazing. I know the Superman franchise was greatly influenced by the radio show...
I'm glad you asked the question about the contacts. It really bothers me. Like does the stop his blasts altogether? Would they blast off as he tried to put them in? But here's the thing: his regular lookin' ruby rq sunglasses don't go flying off when he's just looking around. So it must stop the blasts for that to work. There's still some question for me about how chaotic and dangerous that first moment is when he opens his eyes and starts to lower the contact, but I think once in was in the way it'd stop the blasts.
When readers don't know 70 years of continuity (which should probably be called backstory), it's the writer's job to fill us in on the pertinent information to make the story they're telling understandable. When the writers and editors are unfamiliar with the backstories of the characters they're writing they make bad choices about what information should be conveyed. I personally think it's a very difficult job to take over writing a book that has that much history. Some writers and editors simply did not read enough of the back issues (they didn't research the characters they were going to write) to be qualified for the job. It's not continuity's fault.
Was not expecting this to be a follow up to the New X-Men video but it was a great discussion point. One thing I will like to point out is a feedback loop that exists between the Fox X-Men movies and the 616 Universe. As we all know, the movie had influence on New X-Men. Then New X-Men introduced the character Negasonic Teenaged Warhead in the first arc. Years later, Deadpool incorporated a character by that name but with a completely different powerset (the one in the comics was likely a clairvoyant while the one in the movies was a stand-in for Cannonball). Finally, the main comic universe resurrected the character but with the Deadpool look and powerset.
What's Your Favorite X-Men Movie?
I liked Days of Future Past.
The first three X-Men movies
X2
X-men Origins: Wolverine to me is great & didn't deserve all the trolling it got. So what that it was leaked before release
Does "Logan" count as an X-men movie or a Wolverine movie?
“Some of the characters were off the table for various reasons… like being dead.” that was really funny.
Grant Morrison never cares about who’s dead
Since when did that stop anyone - "Mutant Heaven doesn't have Pearly Gates so much as a revolving door".
Not true at all. Morrison wanted to use Colossus.
@@matthewschwartz6607Is Colussus dead?
He was for quite a few years, until the first run of Astonishing, which followed the end of Morrison’s New.
I feel the question is less whether Cyclops could wear contacts, but how inconvenient they'd be to remove and replace whenever he needs to fire his optic blasts
Eh, subset of the same question.
I kept wondering how he'd be able to put them in to begin with.
@@adamolupin I guess since his powers don't affect himself he could do it.
@@adamolupin Exactly
There must be a lot of problems with Cyclops' eye care regime. He's unlikely to have had a proper eye examination in his entire life; there could be all sorts of things going wrong in there and he wouldn't know. He can't put eye drops in. Everything he sees is through ruby quartz-tinted spectacles so his colour perception is going to be strange.
My other questions:
Are his eye bogies explosive in the morning?
Have they found anything else that blocks his optic beams apart from ruby quartz?
How does he not have a nemesis with ruby quartz skin?
"Lets base the comics on the movie which explicitly didn't want to be influenced by the comics." What could go wrong!?
Marvel’s biggest weakness.
@@Linklex7 I'm still not over the Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch retcon! Especially now that they have the movie rights to the mutants.
@@ProjektTaku ironic, since it's a retcon that they're Magneto's kids, It's an un-retcon
@@jesusramirezromo2037 Its actually an un-retcon + retcon, since it retcons out their mutant origin they've had since they were introduced.
It seemed to have worked.
As a former optician, I can say that the contact lenses make absolutely no sense without them not being necessary at all. With his glasses or his goggles before them, he could close his eyes to put them on. That does not work with contact lenses, lol.
Also how would you make contact lenses out of a rock
That’s exactly what X-Men Evolution did!
At first I wanted to explain that his blasts don't have any effect on himself or ruby quartz, then I realized that he'd be blasting everything in the periphery until the contact was close enough. I suppose he could look at his unstable molecule suit while inserting the contacts.
@@davidtauriainen9116 Maybe has to look directly up at the sky while putting them and hope there are no low flying planes?
I don't think you need to be an optician to know contact lenses don't make sense for Cyclops, but it's good to have confirmation.
One thing that the movie pointed out, that I really liked and as far as I know of the comics never addressed, is that every time Wolverine popped his claws, it causes him pain. It’s knives going through his skin, and even though he has the power to heal fast, he still feels everything.
Okay, but after like decades of doing it, he'd be numb to the pain. Its like how he doesn't wince when bullets go through his body.
@@ProjektTakuIIRC:
"Doesn't that hurt?"
"Every time"
In the original Weapon X origin, special channels were built into his arms so they could pop out without injuring him like how predators don't need to break skin when they extend their claws. There was a period when the metal covers on his gloves were also drawn on his bare hands. Cutting himself with every snikt wasn't a concern until after his bone claws grew (back) in. Now you'd expect his claws to come out slathered in his own blood instead of shiny & clean.
I wonder if the bone claws felt nice to come out before they were sharp metal 💀
@@mattthecatania Yep. The Wolverine I grew up with had the metal permanently on the backs of his hands.
I remember The Juggernaut's helmet specifically blocking telepathy in the 90s cartoon. So having Magneto's helmet also blocking telepathy made sense. I thought Magneto's helmet always protected him from Charles' telepathy even if that was only established by the movies. It sort of became a retroactive head canon.
If I'm understanding you correctly I agree. In more times than not, the films mess-up the comics, but not maliciously... different mediums grant you different allowances.
But occasionally movies course correct, in a good way, and it makes more sense to me having Magneto having a Prof X blocking helmet than the Juggernaut. Imo.
5:22 "why does wolverine wear a helmet? is he stupid?"
- grant
Funny since Morrison's "uniforms" look like chav jerseys of scene kids from UK, straight out of a Blur music video. Or gopniks wearing Adidas.
It's such a smug Gen X attitude but also parading as victims of being ostracized, while their generation is probably most out of tune privileged rich kids in terms of cutting living expenses and exporting trash to 3rd world, like discarded fast fashion. Right in between vietnam war protests and 2010's climate crisis, they really did not care.
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Back to the Aslume with you, Man.
Brain damage can be repaired, but the memories can't. If I were Wolverine whose past was swiss cheesed for some reason, I'd wear a helmet covered in bubble wrap. Slow that brain/adamantium collision a little.
It’s not a helmet though, it’s a mask.
Personally, I absolutely HATE when adaptations are embarrassed by the source material they are adapting. The first X-Men film is a good movie IMO, but this sentiment of embarrassment towards the comics absolutely RADIATES throughout the film, and I honestly kind of resent the film for that
That's because I took a couple of decades for mainstream media to accept geek culture. Which sucks, but that's how life is.
But you shouldn't be embarrassed the source material
LotR is one, no you don't. You just have a bias to ignore it when it works, which is more often than not. There's a reason Sauron is a literal fiery eyeball to look cool, and not ramblings of Tom bombadill about environment and the conceptual panopticon of spooky industrialization.
TMNT was skittish of violence in the comics. Batman couldn't handle Zorro's anti-colonialism and The good the bad and the Ugly didn't even LAND its satire on American audiences. Winnie the Pooh is too depressing for kids.
On and on and on, disrespecting geeks is HOW an IP gets big. If you stay respectful, you're The Flight of Dragons to the average The Legend of Zelda. You don't get to be Spongebob ousting out John K from Ren and Stimpy style, or Miracle Star creating more store brand episodes of Gumball.
@@sboinkthelegday3892i love how your psychic abilities allow you to know exactly how op actually feels.
@@seeleunit2000they've been turning back the other way for a decade or so now.
I really hated the "yellow spandex" line. Within the reality of the movie, why does Cyclops think Wolverine would be expecting to wear yellow spandex? The characters haven't read the X-Men comic books, so why would they be thinking about "yellow spandex"?
You can absolutely see the hate for comics in the movie. There are so many lines where he (you know it was Singer) said how stupid the stuff from the comics are.
Mystique's look was something they tried in the comics and rolled that back just as fast. Same with Spider-man's organic web shooters.
Personally I actually prefer the organic webbing (in part because the non-organic webbing is way too easy to become a crutch), but yeah, the movie mystique look didn’t work so well in the comics.
@forsociopoliticalstuff2629
How were the webshooters a crutch? They highlight Peter’s ingenuity while also providing some dramatic element like if he suddenly ran out. All in all, they offer narratively more than the organic webbing.
As an artist, I have ONLY drawn Wolverine's claws coming out between his knuckles since the first movie. It just makes more sense than the top of his hand.
The movie Batman and robin failure at the box office did an impact on the superhero genre movie. The producers were honestly afraid that this would be another failure for the fox company
That movie was fun. Though, I did get tired of having to see it on repeat during the 2000s.
But the bottom line is sometimes stories adapted from comic books don't always have to be so grim and gritty.
@seeleunit2000 that's how I saw the movie lol. It was my first exposure Batman
The leathers could still work if it was blue and yellow or something.
Over the years that's become one of my top 10 favorite super hero movies it's so goofy and campy. Very adam west
“I’ve got to call Erik ‘Magnus’, because otherwise he’ll call me Charlie, and that just makes throwing cars at each other awkward.” - Professor X, deflecting all questions about Krakoa.
This remind me how the 90's Spider-Man tv show became the blue prints for the Raimi's Spider-Man movies and in turn those movies became the blue prints for the 2000 era comics.
Agreed, that show along woth the movies very much impacted and cemented some things that weren't in the comics before. They also impacted other movies, such as the Blade movies adapting the character of Whistler who debuted on the show originally.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Didn't the idea of Blade being half human & half vampire start in that cartoon as well?
Specifically, Venom's origin from the cartoon was used in the movie, since the original origin is tied to Secret Wars and is thus too complicated to fit into a movie. The Spiderverse also started in this cartoon, although it didn't have that stupid name.
@KasumiKenshirou
Nope. Or at least not really. They had their Episode come out first but they took that idea (and whistler ) from what they had been told about the movies script
So they did take it from the movie but got their one out first
Y raimi spiderman sirvió de base para spectacular spiderman
If Cyclops wears contacts he is not really a “cyclops” anymore.
What sass you have to put up with. Alvin, go to your room! LOL!
He certainly had some thoughts he wanted to share :)
That Is His Room!
AL-VINNN!!!!
_Dave Seville
I think what makes Grant Morrison's pitch extra funny is that his Flex Mentallo short series came before and was all about teaching why funny costumes and sweet messages are a good thing.
And they're not even half a decade apart 💀
It makes me think the pitch was made just to give him the book. He knew what the bandits editors wanted to hear so he said it so they would give him the book. He then went on to do whatever he wanted
I hope with the hype on 97. This forces a reverse situation where xmen 97 starts to shape the tone and setup for the movies.
It’s funny that he brings up Wolverines hair looking like his mask because the movies did that too. Because how else would you know it’s him? Comics need visual signifiers like that to make characters stand out. It’s why Jim Lee’s designs are still getting used and the black leather looks hopelessly 90s in retrospect. Same goes for Cyclops having contacts. The most important part of his design is that you can’t see his eyes. It’s like if you made Matt Murdock blond with blue glasses. Now he’s some other guy.
It's interesting how much apathy Grant had for Marvel vs the reverence he has for DC properties in many later interviews. It's like a night and day difference
In all fairness, no Marvel character aside from maybe Spider-Man and Captain America can match the legacy and iconography of DC's characters. Of course there's Superman and Batman, but even Marvel's most popular speedster Quicksilver can't match The Flash in terms of pop culture impact or just day-to-day conversations.
Or to avoid looking like a prick, he prefers Tyres from Spaced or Sketchy from Dark Angel.
We Are The Cyclists from 11 years ago.
The eventual reveal of Rogue's real name actually threw me a bit. For the longest time, I was under the impression that early usage of her powers had messed up her memory so she didn't remember what her name was. But turns out she just never told anybody. :P
The movies making Magneto being purple and red instead of red and purple was a good change. It didn't stick but still
20:57 “It edged to close to the sun.” - CasuallyComics 2024
Bryan's mentality reminded me of the Double Dragons movie director being angry telling the staff that its a movie for kids even tho the game had allot of adult themes....
yeah it just fucking confuses me to all hell and it's ironic too since he actually was a fan of superman and that movie wasn't critically received
And it's sad that he still had that mentality all the way up to Apocalypse. In an interview, he was asked about Apocalypse growing big and Singer said it would look stupid like King Kong swatting at planes. He kinda did it in a mind palace, but him saying that showed where his head was. Now I'm wondering if Marvel stopped him from doing it because Civil War did it with GiAnt-man. And that came out a few weeks before.
How ironic for Singer to not want childish things around...
I bow to you and the Buddha nature in you. 😂
Ooh burn! 🔥
You know how many other perverts work in the entertainment industry, including the comics??
My favorite quirk is that the movies renamed Rogue to Marie D’Ancanto, so the comics introduced Marie D’Ancanto… and then did nothing with her.
I feel that Comics aren't only being affected by the movies. Pretty much all cartoons take inspiration from X-Men films like Evolution, anime, and Wolverine & X-Men.
Evolution did the best job with Cyclops and Jean, especially with no forced love triangle. Wolverine as a mentor worked so well.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp there was a love triangle, but Logan isn't in it. Plus, it would be weird for a teacher to chase a teenage girl in the show.
They replaced Logan with Rogue in the love triangle.
Was I the only one who saw the bloopers and was anticipating a cartoonish "Al-vIIIIINNN", a la the cartoon about the chipmunks?
Me too!
Yes. This.
I think you should do a video like this for Superman and how the many, adaptations have added to to Clark's lore.
Yes!!! That would be awesome!!!
It's cool that Hugh Jackman read the comics I wonder what his reaction was when he found out Logan's comic book counterparts actual height.
Things I remember that the movies inserted into the public consciousness:
•Cerebro is dangerous for weaker unskilled telepaths. Seriously. We even have non-telepaths using it in the comics.
•Phoenix is Jean Grey’s alter ego. Not technically against canon based on Claremont’s og story, but it wasn’t current canon at the time.
•Jean Grey is the most powerful mutant to exist. Honestly, it depends on the context one means. But anyone that dismisses the Phoenix will readily point out this is in contention with characters like Legion or Nate Grey existing.
•Rogue’s main power is her drain. Not technically incorrect, but most comic and cartoon fans remember Rogue for her flight and strength. Thank 97 for bringing this back to the public consciousness.
•Magneto’s helmet blocks telepathy. Already discussed in the video.
•Black is cool. Dated time period. What can we say? Thank the MCU for undoing the damage.
•Magneto is primarily ferrokinetic (moves metal). Not incorrect, but anyone who has seen the comics or cartoon knows that is only a fraction of what he can do.
•Mystique is a Brotherhood member. Very odd to think about in retrospect if you grew up with the movies.
•Magneto helped Charles build Cerebro. Unless I’m mistaken, there was never a reference of Magneto helping Charles build Cerebro until the movies.
•Wolverine is better leader of the X-Men. Main character syndrome that annoys Cyclops and Storm fans to no end.
•Pyro and Iceman’s rivalry. Honestly, this is more of an opposite elemental trope that just feels right. But it is not a highlight in the comics.
•Jean is receptive of Wolverine’s flirting somewhat. In the comics, Jean is a lot more apprehensive. She is friendly with Wolverine, but she does not exactly return his affections, save for one moment and it is met with immediate regret. The movies display Jean liking Logan’s comments a lot more, even bantering back a little.
Mystique is more often a Brotherhood leader. As were Magneto and Toad, come to think of it. Sabretooth (at the time more of a solo act or Marauder at the time) who was the odd one out.
i mean, Rouge's main power IS her drain... the flight and strength are things she sucked out of Miss Marvel (as in the current Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers) with her drain
I really hate the way they write Jean and Logan. He used to be a man that pushed boundaries, not a nice person. Let him cross the line one too many times and have Scott plant Logan thirty feet in the Earth with concussive fafo blasts.
Dude, Rogue got her Superman powers from Carol Danvers. Think of how much a Ms. Captain Marvel version of Rogue would’ve broken the movies.
Scott could NOT wear contacts! Scott was the ultimate nerd back in the day! He HAD to wear "glasses" or he would destroy everything around him! Glasses wearers could RELATE! Plus, Jean chose HIM over rich, beautiful Warren, who had angelic wings and NO glasses! Nerdboy nirvana!
Funny note: the final issue of the second What If series, Rogue's name is "Carol," presumably from adopting Ms. Marvel's background. It's not explained further, so, that.
There was a comic that took place 25 years after the original Secret Wars and Rogue had a daughter with Captain America. It was revealed that it was actually Carol in the driver's seat
When comics were pushed under Hugh Jackman's door, it was done my a just starting out producer, Kevin Feige, hell, he fought for Wolverine's hair.
When the movie and Ultimate Universe were coming out, I got the merch and sought every piece of news when it was coming out. I instantly knew something was changing for the X-Men and Spider-Man, even when I was 7 and 8 at the time, but I couldn't be more happier! Looking back, it was a double edged sword, because we were never getting he more outlandish stuff done with justice.
(The cat blooper got me anxious, because my cat of the past several months won't shut up at times... I can't do it!)
I've been thinking a lot lately about how much Raven from the Teen Titans has changed especially since the cartoon twenty years ago. I'm not exactly sure what happened in the comics since then, but her character is SO different, even when Marv Wolfman is writing.
The Magneot helmet thing definitely benefits fto. The precedence of the Juggernaut helmet.
And both of their histories with Charles.
Magneto, before having a psychic "battle" with Xavier: "The Helmet stays ON"
"Science that science" with Cyclops's powers? Every time the comics do that his powers just get more convoluted. We're dealing with portals to a kinetic force dimension whose particles vanish on contact with ruby quarts or the flesh of a subset of the Summers family and bounce off surfaces when convenient.
That said, on the surface, the contacts would work once they are in given the lore. However, they are way less practical since his eyes have to be open when putting them in and taking them out. That means unshielded punch cannons until each contact is in place.
From what I understand; when Cyclops opens his eyes, Ray Palmer (The Atom) flies out of them and punches people. He punches really hard, because he is emerging from the Snyderverse, with the rage of a billion exploding suns.
@@euansmith3699 Did he just make a reference to Cyclops, The Atom, The Snyderverse and The Sentry?
@@ProjektTaku 😃
Imo it makes sense they don't effect the skin of members of the summers family, that's how they don't rip through Scott's eyelids
@@gunfighter009 Cyclops and Havok blasting each other is the equivalent of a slap-fight for a panel, before they resort to fists.
At times longtime fans feel neglected and unappreciated .
If you are to "yell" at a pet named such you got to hit us with at least one full Dave "ALLLLVIN"
It would be interesting to see you discuss the other films and how they differ/influenced the comics, especially with Mystique and how she changed so much. I feel like theres potentially a videos worth of talking points on her alone from the design to the actresses and of course the storyline.
Wolverine vs Lady Deathstrike was awesome 😎
too bad that she's barely a character in the movies. (among others like Sabretooth, for example)
14:27 The "..what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning?" line was one of Joss Whedon's. Whedon wrote a stupid line and then blamed the actress for "saying it wrong".
Singer's derangement about the source material really explains why Magneto was a frail old man willing to sacrifice Rogue to turn humans into mutants. I don't believe there's any version of Magneto who would do that.
I refer you to Morrison's quote about Magneto. He isn't the Palestinians he's the Israeli government.
El ultimate lo haria
@@miguelvelez7221 Well Magneto is canonically jewish and was in concentration camps during n a zi germany.
@@miguelvelez7221so hes not a terrorist?
I'm just really glad that we're in an era where comic accurate costumes in adaptations aren't seen as "too silly" or like something that needs to be "fixed". Comic accurate costumes can look very cool and striking if done correctly and taken seriously, especially with some minor tweaks to account for the shift in medium. I'll never not laugh at X-Men '97 poking fun at the old movies for poking fun at the costumes from the comics, that line was hilarious! Also Wolverine FINALLY getting his iconic costume for the first time in film for Deadpool and Wolverine! Now I know a lot of people didn't like the costume revealed for James Gunn's Superman movie, but personally I kinda like it; it's not perfect, but I think it's pretty good. Here's hoping we can get a comic accurate Batman suit when The Brave and The Bold comes out too, now that would be really cool to see.
Magneto's helmet blocking telepathy was probably a conflation with Juggy's helmet.
Please more cat bloopers. Love that you named him Alvin, can I guess you were influenced by the same name of the chipmunk variety? lol
There are days I think “If only we could somehow make a bunch of world leaders disabled, all at once. Then they’d understand our problems firsthand and make stronger accessibility laws.”
Then I remember that’s literally Magneto’s evil plan from the first X-Men movie. 😅
I never understood his flippant dismissal of how his device killed the senator. It would make more sense if he accused Storm of making it up.
The y in your name really pisses me off
@@akale2620 Lol, it was meant to indicate that I’m a chick. Dr. Franklin Anderson was a character in a podcast but he was a dude, so I changed it to match the woman’s name Lynn. Hasn’t helped-most of the time people assume I’m a guy, and I’ve even gotten some medical questions from people who think I’m a real doctor. At this point I’ve had it so long I’m too stubborn to change, much like my old default icon.
@@DrFranklynAnderson 2 things.
1. Shoulda gone with a actually famous char, no one knows it's a joke or reference, your not exactly calling yourself Tony stark here.
2. If it's like Lynn if that's your real name, franklynn perhaps.
Frank Quietly drew Wolverine as "Smoochy." I couldn't stop laughing at how this was supposed to resemble Hugh Jackman. Also, Cyclops can't push his own hand with his optical blasts, so he could put in contacts. He'll smash the entire room during the process, but he could put them in.
"People got over it! ... Most people got over it!" *Somebody* didn't get over it! 😋
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Michael Jackson wanting to play Professor X is wild 1:01 😂
I *_LOVE_* the King (R.I.P🕊️) and his love of comics but.. no
Cyclops wearing contacts could never work. He'd need both eyes wide open to put them in and everything around him would get destroyed, not to mention the lense flying off his finger due to the potency of the optic blast
Annoying that the only movie to get the MCU's designation right so far is an animated Spider-Man movie.
Come on, people, calling it Earth 616 in Far From Home was supposed to be a hint that Mysterio was lying, not the actual designation.
Ruby contacts wouldn't work for Cyclops because he'd have to take them out and put them back in again every time he beamed and that would also mean he's always going full power, I like to think there's a dial or something on his visor that controls how much force he's using
The Official Marvel Handbook has schematics detailing how the Visor's Ruby Quartz plates can control the arrangement, from narrow to wide beam discharge. So, yes.
@@thatHARVguy And he's also got pressure sensitive switches in his gloves. That was explained in one of the few X-Men comics I have read: a reprint of an old issue from back when Stan Lee was still working on it.
We don't need to attract the only people that actually read comics to read our comic is a wild take.
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Kinda...It's been established that ruby quartz and his skin are able to absorb the concussive force of his blasts. So he would be able to put in ruby quartz contacts because they wouldn't just shoot out when he opens his eyes or when he's trying to put them in. But the thing is that the beams don't come from his irises or pupils. They shoot out from the whole eyeball or the dimensional portals that opens up when he opens his eyelids. So even if he did wear contacts, they really wouldn't do a thing to stop the beams from coming out. At the most, he'd just punch donut holes into objects.
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But I really, really wish that superhero books didn't try to emulate movies and video games and television and didn't follow that trend back in the aughts. Its bad enough that they didn't have advertisements for comics and comic shops at the beginning and end of those adaptations and that there wasn't a serious effort to put comics into more places than bookstores and comic shops, but I feel like this (Marvel and the Industry at large) need to be more like other entertainment properties just made it easier to make comics invisible. But that's the problem when comics are defined by one genre, and the companies that produce the most of that genre are branching out to other places.
Comics are their own thing. Their own medium with their own advantages in storytelling and visuals. They shouldn't be defined as supplemental or secondary or outright inferior to other forms of entertainment or other mediums.
Well, they want synergy to boost comic sales, but end up doing the opposite
His powers being tied to another dimension is a writers myth started in the 80s. Cyclops powers are to absorb ambient energy, convert it and expel it from his eyes. There are issues where he runs out of energy and needs to recharge, as well as maxing out and needing to expel some energy. There are psionic abilities tied into the mix which is how his body is protected from this energy and I believe he utilizes the psionic field to send the blasts out of his eyes.
@@gringles It's called a "retcon", not a "writer's myth". Writer's myth implies that the writers and/or audience are injecting concepts into the story that go against the will of the editors and Marvel, and that ain't true and hasn't been for a long time. Even though any sense of a "hard canon" to things was limited, as more and more fans become creators in Marvel and the pay and contracts got worse, more and more retcons have been applied from arc to arc or even from issue to issue or team/book to team/book based off whoever is writing and what got them social media views and kept them on the books and paid. And (since the 2000's at the earliest) there hasn't been a sense of the editorial staff actually sitting down and figuring out what is and what isn't canon and what the actual past and future are for their characters and stories beyond...basically the same criteria but favoring Marvel the company and their own paychecks.
Even though Marvel staff has always been a constantly changing crew of freelance (and contract) writers and artists contributing and changing different aspects of these character's lives and abilities, there still needed to be a story and character bible to things to keep it straight and to give a sense of real direction and growth to the books.
So, fine. Cyclops' eyes no longer have a portal that opens to a near-infinite source of energy. But calling it a "writer's myth" gives the illusion of cohesion and thoughtfulness and consideration that isn't there and hasn't been there for decades. And just feels really, really insulting.
Yeah, I'm going to shut up now.
On the cyclops contacts point, if the glasses arent constant being knocked off, i dont see why contacts would, although sticking "ruby quartz" into your eyes does not sound comfortable
What did Alvin want? That's the truly important question.
lol he had strong opinions on the X-Men.
What I want a deep dive on is why did Jim Lee's Wolverine and Jubilee have the same hair color as Beast's fur.
blue is often added as a highlight colour to purely black things, because otherwise you end up with a big unreadable black blob
it's such a thing that manga does it, too
I was expecting a Chipmonks style "ALLVIIIIN!!" at the end there
There's a twisted irony to Bryan Singer banning something from the set because it was "too juvenile"
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Is there something else about Bryan Singer that i don't know?
That's disturbing...and disturbing that I'd never heard about that...
@@belgiumcomics2537he’s a pdf file
If you want to “fix” Scott’s face, just have his brain damage repaired. Use the source material. Scott can’t control his blasts because he fell on his head. Have a healer fix his head bump.
I saw that flash to Cassandra Nova womb punch on "punchy" and your editor should be applauded for it
As always, you do impeccable work. Personally, Claremont's run in the 70s to 90s will always be "my X-Men." I enjoyed the movies fine, and I'm glad they paved the way for better comic book films. But comics now take too many "hard turns." Morrison's New X-Men and Wheddon's run on the series were both like, "WTF just happened?" It was like tuning into a TV show you watch and then mid-season they've replaced all the actors and changed the entire tone of the show. I'm not a fan of that.
Evolution, not "reinvention" is the key to good storytelling. If you don't want to write X-Men (or whatever), write something else.
What’s funny about that is that Claremont kept fighting with editorial because he really wanted to reinvent the X-Men much more radically and more often, things like having Cyclops actually and permanently retire once rather than keep bouncing off and on the team…
I don’t disagree with you - Claremont’s X-Men is my X-Men as well, one of the great runs in comic book history.
@@joelpartee594 I've long been a fan of updating the Marvel comics universe to actually "age" with real life. It would have been great if Magneto didn't have to keep getting de-aged or if Cyclops had actually retired. It'd be great to see the world actually grow and change. And to have characters actually die and stay dead. It'd also make characters like Wolverine even more interesting, as they continue on while everyone around them retires and/or dies.
Ruby Quartz Contacts would probably work like a "1 and Done" situation . Like they wouldn't be useful for combat but if Scott and Jean were on a date or something and Scott accidentally got mad and fired off an Optic Blast the contacts would withstand the initial blast but if he fired them off again they would undoubtedly shatter.
I've thought about this exact idea way more than I'd like to admit but Cyclops is my favorite alongside Storm and Iceman 😆
I think the contacts would just negate the blasts like his glasses do, since his powers are always active.
I rarely make comments but I really enjoyed this video! I feel like this particular style of video is fascinating. How did the movie affect its comic book counterpart going forward? You usually do great work but this is a banger!!!
Really enjoying your videos!
Would love to see you take on one of my favorites; DC's Aztek!
Keep up the good work!
Few months ago I made a good faith comment about a better microphone, and I’m here to say your current one sounds great!
Alvin gives no effs. He wants his snacks now!
"... time of recording, for all of this. Maybe some of these don't exist any more." 😄😄😄
I like your idea about contacts for Cyclops. Here's the catch. He can close his eyes, which also turns off his powers, while slipping on glasses or a visor to block his power. But putting in contacts requires keeping his eyes open. With his eyes open, his powers would activate before he could put in the contacts. Not sure if slipping in the contacts would effectively block his powers while they are already active. It would be interesting to test.
You know when they gave rogue a name, Anne Marie Rankin, given her ability to absorb powers, I really thought they would say she was related to Calvin Rankin, Mimic with the ability to copy powers and in the comics rogue already has an expansive family history, Mystique adoptive/surrogate mother, Nightcrawler as surrogate/foster brother, Destiny as other mother, Mystiques other son Graydon Creed, and his father, Sabertooth it's a large family and we all know X-Men is a soap opera
I love this, and would love to see you do more videos on how adaptations changed comics.
Not the X-Men, But Spider-man... I really like the way they've made Norman Osborn look like Tommy Lee Jones...
Willem Dafoe would’ve been a perfect model for emphasizing the Mad Genius, but Jones was definitely right for the leader of Dark Avengers.
My first introduction to X-Men was watching the animated series with my older brother where he was like "my favourite is wolverine and he's in love with Jean but she is dating this guy and I want her to be with wolverine" so when I saw the film it was like he had pitched it, making wolverine the main character and Jean clearly preferring him over Cyclops 😅. Also my beloved Anna Paquin inspired Rogue's name? I'm impressed!
The solo Wolverine comic, from 2001, depicted him somewhat in physical appearance to his movie counterpart. 159 was my first comic, so seeing him going back to his comic accurate appearance was a mindtrip.
Maybe the helmet blocking telepathy was inspired by the Juggernaut's helmet.
This has nothing to do with the X-Men, but all those Buffy clips got me thinking, you seem to be a Buffy fan( seen the book behind you often) and as I am a BIG Buffy fan who has never read any Buffy/Angel comics, any chance of covering them sometime? Pretty Please? 😁
On the terms of Bleed-back or synergy with outside media, I usually think its a good idea, not to be beholden to one or the other, but taking what works from new adaptations and making it work in the original continuity. The point of adaptations are to reach a new audience after all and if it makes them interested in checking out the original work you want the transition to be as smooth as possible.
Also some notes on how the X-Men film affected the comics, they (and X-Men Evolution to an extent) lead to Rogue losing her Ms. Marvel powers in the comics and she wouldn't get her flying brick powers back until like 2013-14ish. Also Mystique took on her movie look in X-Men Forever #6 and I guess canon-wise just shapshifts back into her classic look because she likes it more. And a big one is Wolverine's Origin being told in full in the comics because they thought the movies would eventually do it anyway so they wanted to get ahead of it.
Am new to your channel and dig your videos a lot. Really like the ones with LOIS, JIMMY, BAT-MITE and all the goofy Silver Age D.C.
As horrendous and deserved as Joss Whedon's fall from grace was, his run on Astonishing X-Men was a solid rebuke of both Bryan Singer's and Grant Morrison's interpretations of Marvel's Merry Mutants. Not that New was totally off. It did find very interesting beats and angles that still resonate to this day.
i don't think that every change made by the movies was negative, but i feel that OVERALL the changes (and especially the "everything that came before is dumb and stupid and for nerds" esque mindset that LED to those changes) was a loss for x men comics that is still lowkey being felt today. in general when you have a (seeming) lack of basic respect for your source material, things aren't going to go well in the long run.
Idk.
Boys completely disrespected source material, and yet it is seen as better in retrospect
didn't know about what you were saying about Magneto's helmet.
i just assumed it was always a blocker for telepathy.
didn't know it took the movie to come up with that idea.
that was a pretty useful change to the comics, I like that.
Cyclops constantly blasting the contact out of his hand 😂... it's impossible for him to even put in on without Jean.
The contrast between the clips of Morrison's run and the text of the manifesto gives me life
No way contact lenses could contain Scott's "dread power". He'd blast them right out every time. Unless they rolled up and got stuck behind his eyeballs. Plus, the visor just looks cool.
Dread Scott powers?!
@@euansmith3699 Good one, lol!
By same logic glasses would also blast off
@@kingol4801 Not really, because he raises (or used to raise) his glasses to use the power. With his visor, he opens it when he uses it. But how do the contacts get out of the way when he uses his eye blast?
14:40 I JUST found out Magneto was named Max/Magnus because of X-Men 97. I really did know him as only Erik before that!
@5:20
Yes!
It was always weird to me that the Marvel & Dave Cockrum (artist) were like
"How will they know its wolverine with out the mask?"
"The other characters will call him logan?"
"NO! BUT...his hair should look like his mask, print it! Excelsior!"
Originaly I approached the movies with cautious optimism, but it didn't last two long. Main problems to me?
- first 3 movies were basicly Wolverine and some background characters
- the later movies starting with First Class were Professor X, Magneto and Mystiques show. An X--Men team ? What team ?
I've got tired pretty fast.
5:53 not you both you and this guy clocking me both in the same 2 minutes 😂
A whole video on the changes the 1st X-men movie had on the comics & not once ever bring up X-men Forever by Nicieza & Maguire: the series specifically made to implement movie changes to current continuity (and also clear out a whole lot of open plots).
I don't remember where I got this info from, most of the X-men knowledge does come from the 90s cartoon, but I had always believed Xavier couldn't use his powers on mutants at the same or higher level, even if they weren't psychic. Similar to First Class when he comments that he can only hold someone as powerful as Shaw but a short time.
Also, loved first class. Mostly because they finally introduced knew characters that weren't restricted to the background.
X2 is my favorite X-men movie. I liked the topic about the 2000 X-men movie. My mother went and saw the movie, which surprised me since she never like me reading comics so obsessively. After she saw the movie she said "I now know why you like comics" and she said it was great movie. The fact that the 2000 X-men movie appealed to my mother of all people, really shows the when handled well, the X-men stories can go mainstream. I loved the Ultimate X-men comics.
I believe that the contacts could block the blasts, as it is still a barrier. It does not seem that he could shoot, though. He could take one out and target with the other then wink at things.🤔🤔
Ngl i started reading comics during the early 00's and i started with Ultimate Spiderman and Ultimate X-men and know gave a lot of context .
Some of the things that different creators come up with when given the same basic premise are amazing. I know the Superman franchise was greatly influenced by the radio show...
I'm glad you asked the question about the contacts. It really bothers me. Like does the stop his blasts altogether? Would they blast off as he tried to put them in? But here's the thing: his regular lookin' ruby rq sunglasses don't go flying off when he's just looking around. So it must stop the blasts for that to work. There's still some question for me about how chaotic and dangerous that first moment is when he opens his eyes and starts to lower the contact, but I think once in was in the way it'd stop the blasts.
When readers don't know 70 years of continuity (which should probably be called backstory), it's the writer's job to fill us in on the pertinent information to make the story they're telling understandable. When the writers and editors are unfamiliar with the backstories of the characters they're writing they make bad choices about what information should be conveyed. I personally think it's a very difficult job to take over writing a book that has that much history. Some writers and editors simply did not read enough of the back issues (they didn't research the characters they were going to write) to be qualified for the job. It's not continuity's fault.
Awesome video! Although I lived through it, I hadn't realized at how extent Synger's films influenced the comics.
Was not expecting this to be a follow up to the New X-Men video but it was a great discussion point.
One thing I will like to point out is a feedback loop that exists between the Fox X-Men movies and the 616 Universe. As we all know, the movie had influence on New X-Men. Then New X-Men introduced the character Negasonic Teenaged Warhead in the first arc. Years later, Deadpool incorporated a character by that name but with a completely different powerset (the one in the comics was likely a clairvoyant while the one in the movies was a stand-in for Cannonball). Finally, the main comic universe resurrected the character but with the Deadpool look and powerset.
the helmet letting magneto psychically fight Charles explains the beam struggle they have in one of the jp openings of the 90s show