150HP Honda HRV Aircraft Engine! Viking Aircraft Engines
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2021
- 150HP Honda HRV Aircraft Engine! Viking Aircraft Engines to be available in the next few months. First installation and first flight coming soon!
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Greetings from Utah. It is great how you highlight individual homebuilt aircraft builders as well as companies that build or supply aircraft engines and components. Keep up the good work. Thanks also for being so gracious and receiving my wife and I on a visit a few days ago to your home and to see your Zenith project, as we were travelling to Florida on business, and happened to pass near your home. There are so many high quality people in homebuilt aviation. :) :) :).
Great to see a successful alternative to a Rotax. More power and better pricing has to be a winner. Good Luck from Australia.
Another great video. I love the Experimental Aircraft Channel!
Channel is a boomer 💥. I concur.
LOVE this video! We're very glad to know where Viking is on the 150. We REALLY like Jan's openness. It greatly helps us understand the product. We are very excited to see your next release on this smart step by Viking! Thank you for the production!!!
Oh, yeah...very clever drummer segment....love the HRV videos in the intro...
Thanks John, thank you for following us and our movements forward! We will have MUCH more information in the coming months!
Nice to have more options to choose 🤠👍🏻
Very interesting. Thank you.
Gotta love progress and options. Damn the drummer scared the pooch some!!
GO JAN GO
very good machines.. good planes also. Jan Leo is a good enginer..
This engine is bulletproof. We have a 2006 civic and it has 400,000 something miles on it with original engine. SUPER RELIABLE
Very informative
Now I know how to tune my engine!
Waiting for the Honda Hybrid electric conversion! Viking is in a good place for that launching!
How do you recover energy with no regenerative braking?
@@danielwaddell123 A wind turbine?
@@benghazi4216 The drag cost more energy than you could recover.
Doesn't really make sense, we don't fly in stop and go traffic.. :)
Another great/informative and very much appreciated video.
Although a Jet-A/Diesel power-plant is first choice for our/AeroTesla Aviation, electric/hybrid EDFJ design, have also been considering the Viking Aircraft power-plant as well.
A # of logical reasons for this.
Keep up the great work!
Very talented guy. Also looks like great work.
You might know this question (answer).
Long ago, there was a motor which was at one of those air shows, maybe Sun & Fun or Oshkosh.
It was a 2-cylinder, opposed, 4-cycle motor that was being developed. It was unique in the way they were obsessed with making the motor as simple as possible. The rockers were not directly oiled, instead they ran (was it felt?) something which you'd have to relube every few hours (or perhaps each flight).
They had some good ideas, does this ring any bells? Remember any motor like I described?
Thanks,
I love your channel!
That's the buddy twin.
Very interesting, thanks.
I'm new to all of this & as I looked around I didn't understand why this Rotax brand seemed to have so much of the market so
I'm happy to see Honda engines as I have a lot of faith in their stuff. Of course IDKnow how much has to be custom fitted to
have a prop? I shall see & ty for the video
Is there a projected cost yet? Do not see pricing on the website. What’s fuel flow compared to the 130 in flight?
He said the block bottom end girdle is in place of the rod bearing caps! Makes me wonder about his qualifications. (It’s main bearings).
Will this fix a kitfox S7? Whats the weight?
Exciting to see that the paying customers will also be completing the testing on the new model..
AWESOME.. finally I would replace the continental and Lycoming for Honda in a heartbeat
Yeah that heavy liquid cooled engine and radiator, with a gear box bolted on to reduce all that unnecessary RPM makes it better ???
Not me....these newcomers have been trying to replace the old school engines for years...The reliability of the lil' old Continentals and Lycomings can not be beat.
I would like a Honda clone of a continental-lyc and modernized without all the textron shenanigans
Everyone loves to hate anything old. You'd replace engines that are dea simple and extremely robust and have logged millions of hours safely....in a heartbeat. Why exactly. To add a gearbox and a liquid cooling system. Electronic Ignition sure. Fuel injection sure. Scrap the whole design. No. The reason they cost so much is our dear dear government regulations and the fact that nobody is into general aviation anymore. Best I can tell these guys are direct descendants of snale oil salesman. Many people have bought in and never heard back.
Bryan: You May be too young to have been around when Jan ran a Subaru auto engines conversions and sales business. After overpromising and underdelivering, he took the bankruptcy route. There are many of us who remember this vividly. I am amazed that Honda has not obtained an injunction to keep him from using their name. And then there is Jan’s toss-off remark explaining the use Honda engines as coming from a “little fender bender.” Most auto accidents where the insurance companies “total loss” a vehicle are Front End collisions.
affordable aircraft for the masses thank you team
I am putting a prop and wing on my HRV. 😄
I’d love to stick one of these in a Ford Pop or an MGTD.
would a 252hp 2.0T engine from a Honda Accord work?
is it the R18Z9?? their are some aftermarket turbo kits for that engine
Do you think you can get an STC for an Ercoupe?
Is there any chance we could see the dyno test on Steve Henry's engine?
Do you mean Steve Henry's Yamaha EPex? I don't know about dyno test but here's a video of it being tested - ua-cam.com/video/HUQqcpa1dJE/v-deo.html
@@f2air Thank you.
Veri veri god
Hi my twin brother and I really enjoy the viking engine videos ps wishing you guys would add the 1litre Mercedes smart car diesel engine to your line up 🙂
Wow what a difference in price from something like a rotax, these are so much more affordable 👏
I have a 1.5L civic with 350k. That car was very reliable. No power... But reliable.
Pretty tough going up against the Apex.
A variety is always nice though.
Its a honda engine pretty tough trying to make a more fuel efficient engine with power to weight of a honda
@@nipponsuxs from my excel comparing engines the apex has the highest power to weight I can find as far as aero conversions.
Fuel efficiency could be a different story though, harder to compare, but both being tuned efi /w wideband O2 and mass airflow sensors I can't imagine they'll be too terribly different.
Can it fly inverted?
That bottom end design is in nearly every modern Japanese engine
Great Work People!!!
so,this engine can use for heli diy? How much weight?
Such a good solution! Does anyone use any Toyota engines in their aircraft? It seems like Toyota would have a couple that would be a great choice as well.
the 1UZ is certified
Many new year engines have the technology and reliability there, its finding what you think will work the best and also be lighter, the car engines can easily be heavy without realizing, especially when you work up into the larger vehicles. The engines can usually handle it, it is ensuring the parts you add onto the core have the reliability and sustainability behind them to work together as a cohesive unit. -Alissa
@@eggenfellner ...thank you Alissa...now that makes sense!
Toyota engines tend to quite oriented to reliability, and tend to suffer in performance accordingly.
@@superdupergrover9857 so true.. i can attest to that
That “structural” plate or web you are talking about is called a girdle. Just an FYI for today.
Also, he meant to say main caps, not rod caps
Aren't there still people waiting for their Subaru Eggenfellner conversions. Any eta on that?
The downside to Subarus is they have a little more maintenance than Hondas. Timing belts every 60-90k miles verses chains that “mostly” maintenance free.
How possible is to provide only the propeller reduction gearbox? Which is its horsepower range?
This Is One Very Smart and Talented Man,,,, Pretty Girl,,,,
One day I hope they convert the 2.0 liter engine from the Accord and do a 250 horse engine.
That opens up a couple year R&D for us because we would be breaking into a higher untested HP rating and complexity, this was an easy transition for us right now. It isn't off the table, but it would take a considerable amount of time to be as efficient as reliable as we would like.
@@eggenfellner I think you would be in a good position if you can complete with the IO540. 300 hp is what you would need for some of the larger kit planes like the Murphy Moose, bearhawk, etc.
The K20c1 high performance turbo engine from the Fl5 Civic at 315hp and 310 ft/lbs torque is a very sweet package with several performance upgrades from the K20c3 in the Accord. Available complete from Honda Racing for about $10k. The turbo would help with thin air performance as well.
Imagine a searey with a 150
Have you guys thought about using the new Toyota Yaris engine? 1.6L 3 cylinder rated at 260hp standard. De tune it so it isn't running near it's max and it would last forever. Would be a perfect aircraft engine!
Hey Nick, we looked at the Yaris years ago, but in the states it’s still a 4 cylinder as far as I’m aware and I think it’s a heavy block if I recall.
@@alissaeggenfellner4613 have you taken a look into the Subaru FA24? the thing is as reliable as they come, no GDI problems as it has both port and direct, turbocharged and quite efficient yet light.
I wish you had something for a BD-5. Something around the 1.3 (100hp) range.
do you think civic engine 2.0L 306hp will be offered anytime soon for airplane??
Sounds to small. Aero engines are generally rather large in displacement. 2.0l and 300hp probably leads to a fair amount od stree
@@zuestoots5176 not really Viking 195 is a 1.5 turbo this 1.8 na 150hp with a turbo run at similar boost levels could easily make 230-240 hp
Very informative! If it’s not confidential how does VAE get 25 brand new Honda engines no miles that were in cars? Hail damaged fleet?
This in particular was train damage. Sometimes it varies, and sometimes we have low mileage (1k-5k miles) not necessarily new. The VIN is on all the engines along with pictures we receive :) There should never be a company talking about "confidential" as far as engines or what kind of engine...if that is the case you can probably guarantee its a lie or a copy cat.
@@eggenfellner Or a chopped stolen car.
@@GrizzAxxemann The VIN would still show up stolen.
@@6milesup Hence the lie.
The piece holding the bottom end is called a Girdle
Not really, a girdle ties caps together. This is a spit block design.
@@AnonyMous-jf4lc ok, i though it did like the K20 and 24 motors which have the caps built into the "girdle". I may be misusing the term tho.
@@captarmour a girdle won't extend outside of the oil pan. A split block design will look like an extension of the engine block, and the oil pan will be mounted to the bottom of it.
@@AnonyMous-jf4lc ok i stand corrected
Would it be considered a bed plate then?
So what went wrong back there @ 8:15?
I take these won't be designed to run negative gs or will they be modified?
Most often even Certified Aircraft are not designed to fly inverted or with negative G's. You must maintain a Positive G load say... doing a barrel role. There is an OPTION for an Inverted Oil system.
Would be cool to have a 125HP Turbo so could climb without losing power
7:00 it's called a girdle.
Do they publish any reliability numbers on those engines?
It's a Honda engine, would bet it won't die any time soon
Will any installation available for a rans s21?
It will be installed around Oshkosh here in our shop on a S21 :)
Is this 150 hp could be installed in a experimental super Cub?
Does it possible to swap this honda engine on Mooney M20 ?
9:38 Prop speed ?
Are selling gear drive for honda L15 ?
el avion que tengo es un beaver rx550 con motor 582 rotax, ¿es posible ponerle un motor Honda 130?
Finally car engines, and lead free fuel
Fresh auto gas at airports
مساء الورد يا استاذ لو سمحت كم سعر المحرك مع المروحة
Alissa is a unicorn.
Did I grow a horn ;) We just have a lot of fun in this little aviation world :)
@@eggenfellner :)
PistonAvatarGuy Yes, a rare and beautiful mystical creature indeed : )
Why would you not use a k20?
Can i put this in a 1973 Piper Warrior??
How were the engines available? Where are the 25 Fred Flintstone HRV's?
Fred Flintstone?
@@alissaeggenfellner4613 He is referring to the Honda HRVs which these engines came from and which will now only move if you put your feet down and make it go like a flintstone car. :-) I assume they became available because the HRVs got a new engine for the 2021 model year.
@@adrianwalker9917 Nope, The cars were being delivered by train and there was a derailment, minor damage to cars but engines are good, insurance co sold them at auction.
@@nssherlock4547 Ohhh, interesting. Thanks for the update!
1jz twin turbo conversion parts ?
I want use it in my home built helicopter..
What's the fuel burn?
Depending on cruise settings looking at anywhere from 3.5 - 5.5
i wanted to hear the weight on all 4 models 90, 130 ,150 , ........
I am just learning about GA right now and I am a bit confused.
1. How would you find fuel when hopping from airport to airport ?
2. Does Vikings modify the engine so it has redundancy safety systems?
You can use regular car gas or 100LL, there are not limitations. Us and many of our customers travel cross country and many states frequently. Redundancy exists with dual fuel pumps, dual batter and alternator.
@@eggenfellner incredible! Thank you for the response !
@@eggenfellner Does avgas clog the exhaust sensors?
@@daisybeagle6259 They can modify it to lessen this, or eliminate the sensors altogether. Just run the ECM computer in ‘closed loop’.
@@daisybeagle6259 Until the 100LL stock is depleted and UL100 is everywhere, Viking recommends a couple of fuel additives to deal with the lead.
hola, yo vivo y vuelo en la sierra de Perú, 3356msnm o 11mil pies de altura, necesito un motor que funcione a mayor altitud, ¿cuanto es la altitud que puede alcanzar el motor Honda 130? gracias.
Whats the probability of putting an in flight adjustable prop on one of these?
The stronger bottom end will be an asset. I would really like to hear torque specifications and horsepower specifications that given rpm. I've been around engines since the 60s, and torque and consistent torque is what drives an aircraft. Horsepower has or less to do with it than torque numbers. Your stating that you can get by with the port injection rather than the gdi. GDI is not the best for an aircraft. The reversion alone, even if you don't use a PCV with at least an attendant catch can, which I would put on every aircraft especially the ones are turbocharged. GDI can eventually cause the engine to start to fail. It does not offer enough more power and fuel economy to justify the problems that come on down the road. The port injection is more than fuel efficient enough and enough power without the attendant fouling of the intake valves to more than justify having the port injection. The increase torque that comes with this 1.8 will make more difference than the little bit of extra horsepower.
A number of videos I've heard people talk about how much better they liked the 130 horsepower compared to the 110 horsepower engine in their aircraft. It isn't the horsepower difference it's making far more comfortable. It is probably the extra 20 or 30 lb of torque that the engine is providing. This is precisely why the most sold brand new twin engine aircraft in the United States today is running diesel Automotive engines with a cast iron engine block no less. Because it puts gobs of torque and it does it consistently.
Maybe I'm missing something here but I do however like the idea of the 1.8 being added to your line. I like the concept of these engines I think they are going to be ultimately more reliable. I also believe that the TBO time is probably going to be better even with the higher RPM.
This looks like an excellent engine to be used in a twin. And that would be a twin in a couple of different configurations. And with a turbo added to it it could be superb. The next one I want to see is that Ford Barrel engine built up as an aircraft engine for a larger aircraft. I am seeing reliable engines in the 500 horsepower with that inline six naturally aspirated all aluminum engine.
Just spray some cleaner into the manifold every 100 hours and it will stay clean. About 7-8 bucks.
Engine 1 how much bro ?
OK so now I know that the 150 engine is aaahh eeeh 5 lbs heavier than the 130 engine, would be nice to have exact weights. When looking at the 130 weight am I going to find that it is so much heavier or lighter than some other comparison?
It was requested at the time of the visit to weigh in especially since there were so many of the 150hp options there. We would love to travel to all of the manufacturers/engine builders at some point with scales and get real life numbers to share with everyone. Might be a project for NEXT year and IF we can convince these companies to actually do it. Thank you for watching and engaging here today!
Are these engine burning auto gas or AVGAS?
Either works, preference to auto fuel. If using 100 LL the use of an additive is needed.
@@alissaeggenfellner4613 what is the required additive please?
@@daisybeagle6259 TCP or Decalin
How do you get brand new engines out of cars with no miles?
We have contracts and sourcing, it was a train derailment that bumped up the vehicles, they file an insurance claim and we get engines :)
A VIN number along with tracking and background in the vehicle are all matched to the engine. We have video in our UA-cam that explain the how and the reasoning of this.
Who ever told you that you need music in a video lied to you.
Yea but how much
How much does the 150 weigh with exhaust?
225 lbs, our 150 HP engine only weighs 5 more lbs than our 130. Very similar installed weight of an O200/Corvair setup (but with more HP and thrust)
Why not use nitrous to take off in a competition stol plane?
2 spark plugs per cylinder?
That engine would only have one, and would compromise reliability if they were to add another. Not too many ignition failures on those engines.
I agree about the music in the videos. Leave the music out
Where do you get 25 brand new 2020 motors, out of cars yet with zero miles? What happened to the cars?
Umm, it's called " Crate Motors ". It's a new thing...Prolly never heard of it...It's a big secret....
@@ToyManFlyer1100 Crate motors come in crates, as in brand new. These motors are also brand new, but he said they were in a car, so my question is who took them out and what did they do with the cars? Also, he said they were brand new, so that means the cars were never driven, which only deepens the mystery.
These cars were damaged in a rail - shipping accident and insurance settled on the cars so parts get sold out “new...”
The guts of an Integra into an airplane
Alissa is beautiful 💖
Why not use a Honda Goldwing engine? Awesome flat-six, reliable as an anvil.
Great question. Maybe EAC could include a bit of that in some video.....
Mostly because it isn't as mass produced, they are "recreational" meaning the cost of initial purchase is going to be much higher along with parts.
Anvil. You got rthe word right. Way more than 200 pounds. Too heavy for the HP
In a goldwing engine the gearbox is integrated into in, lots of unnecessary wt.
I've heard the goldwing engine is big $$$
TBO ?
When is the Honda type -R 306 HP going to come out? I'm waiting.....
Whenever a trainload of Type-R’s or Accord 2.0Ts get wrecked... 😄
WOW! That was super loud @1:00 - and no warning.
I wish alternative engine builders would talk about torsional vibration and harmonics in the gearbox more. Without knowing where the prop resonance frequency is, and the torsional vibration of system, you are a test pilot. In the certified world, the engine is tested with each prop it's approved for, and even so much as changing the ignition *COULD* cause vibration issues. Testing is the only way to know, and I'm not talking about we have 100 hours on the engine and nobody has died testing, I'm talking about stain gauges and scopes.
This is why these are experimental... To that end, overbuilding is the common solution. We will leave trimming all the fat to the certified world that wants to pay for it.
I understand what you are saying, but yes it is experimental to an extent, BUT we test our engines with a multitude of propellers, types of propellers, amounts of blades. Then we have kept our damper the same, cut different way etc all have different effects. You would be AMAZED how little vibration you find in these engines it is not one of our concerns. We get very caught up in the moment and do a lot of stuff behind the scenes, we are working more towards displaying that to the public, we just assume it would be incredibly boring....When this all first started there was a ton of flight testing, this is many years down the line and over 1000 engines on the market flying all over the world. Every little thing was thought about, and the minute we can make something better (even if it doesn't have to be) we do, because it is experimental, and some people lack the needed real work needed to make it work, but for us it doesn't limit perfection. -Alissa
If you expect an engine as thoroughly tested as a Lycoming you are kidding yourself. This company doesn’t have a $10 million budget and a platoon of engineers. They have a small shop and a few guys. They do their best with the resources they have. If you get an early one you will be helping to prove it. That’s just how it is.
@@sblack48 I think that's a little misleading. You won't be proving the engine design, that has already been done. Additionally, if they are reusing the conversion components, you won't really be proving those, either. Really, all you would be proving is how efficient the conversion is.
@@AnonyMous-jf4lc Overbuilding doesn't cut it with harmonics. If it resonates you could build it 100X stronger and it will still fail.
Is Honda fully on-board? I would think the basic design and product support from Honda would be superior to what was offered by an "other" (no specific name offered) light aircraft engine company, and the reconfiguration by this company would make it a good product to consider for rag and tube backcountry builds. Noted the crank truss plate- to prevent crank journal flex under loads negating the need for a heavier block....?
Are you kidding? Honda would never get involved with these conversions, given the company's history.
I don't understand why they are charging 20k for a honda car engine and someone explain this to me
I was wondering if there is anything out there for someone who flies to places where 100 octane is hard to find. I am assuming the Viking can burn autogas. I know some manufacturers are looking at jet/diesel engines. The diesel is low revving engine so there would be no gearbox and a lower specific fuel burn.
We prefer the use of Auto fuel, but 100 LL can be used with an additive like TCP or Decalin.
A small turbo could make that 250 easy
doesnt the rpm to high for prop mess this up
Rotax has been using reduction gearing for years with great safety. I'm sure Viking uses a similar system.
We have been using our gearbox for over a decade, easy to maintain and reliable. Ensuring it is designed and tested very well is where people miss the mark.
@@eggenfellner Do they have a clutch in them to save the engine in the event of a prop strike?
every time I hear Viking prices I just think about how Rotax is twice that and still not as reliable. I feel like car engines have developed and matured more than purpose built aircraft engines and are just a logical choice. Viking has always been at the top of my list by a lot. Sure, they may not have some 250-300hp monsters, but how many people really need that. the efficiency and reliability of these will always outsell anything else to me.
Have you heard of Jabiru engines, they do small 4 cyl and 6 cyl
@@williamgoode9114 I have not! I will look into that.
@@LiveLNXgaming Aeromomentum use Suzuki and Mitsubishi motors
How'd you determine the Rotax engines are not as reliable as Viking engines?
"Rotax .. still not as reliable..." Kidding? ))))