Thank you Bellular for trying to help out the poor Acti-Blizz devs who have no support, and acting as a free third party resource that Bobby should be paying for instead of taking bonuses at the cost of employees. Also Path of Exile 2 looks really amazing.... just saying
I’ve always wanted a full subterranean zone of the nerubian empire in all the grandiosity of their architecture (think an’kahet & azjol nerub cranked up to 11) as well as the depths of their caves. Instead of zones next to one another like normal expansions they’d be stacked like an upside down wedding cake. Obviously yogg stuff would be at the bottom, above that would be the labyrinth of arthas’ journey during the war of the spider, above that would be the kingdoms’ cities, and above that -the open areas between the glacier. Just a thought. Nice video!
Counterargument: The Old Gods aren't Void aligned at all. They're death aligned. They merely use the Void like Void Elves to obfuscate their true allegiance. They're the same species as Maldraxxus.
@@NuyiNL same for me, this expac. Legion was nice, BFA had a great group of friends and hoped for SL to save wow for me but it didnt. So ill play for the lore, regions and basic raiding. But no hard farm anymore
I believe they do/did. In Naxx heading to Kel'thezad the carpeting is blue and gold with lions head. The symbol of Stormwind. The drapes are also blue and gold. Its been that way since Vanilla.
Every time someone says this shit they follow it up with an attitude that refuses to read quest text or books, they just get upset because they play the game as illiterates
@@NoConsequenc3 my thoughts exactly, the lore is just hidden, ofc there are retcons sometimes but they are here because of better/other explanations of things that happend.
@@stupidcomment6571 not completly wrong here but also not quite right, the villans were more or less fine they just screwed up in terms of gameplay mechanics and story telling, although the story itself was fine in the most xpacs.
I bet the Drust are another contingency of Yogg-Saron. Their Vrykul heritage (derived from Yogg's curse of flesh) probably gave them a natural aptitude towards the Emerald Nightmare and death aspect of Druidism. Now it makes sense why they were able to assault Ardenweald -- through the backdoor that Yogg created long ago. Maybe we'll see that Yogg-Saron is the "Ancient One" spoken of in the zone.
I just wanted to point something out that you didn't touch upon regarding Bolvar being the perfect candidate by the old gods to fight the jailer: Bolvar was "purified" by Alexstrasza at the wrathgate after his and his men's faces melted off from Putress's super plague. And given his fiery glow, I think Bolvar is infused to some degree by the power of the red dragon aspect, which is charged with guarding Life on Azeroth. So there's that.
I still like the theory that N'zoth didn't die or diminish, but let us see a vision of what he wanted and is still hiding in a shadow world, waiting for his opportunity again.
Very interesting points, but I think there's one big one you didn't touch on. Is this WHY the Pantheon used mechanical creations to fight the void? They refused to create "life" because.... they knew it would only fuel death? Maybe they just didn't want to bring "life & death" into the war, they didn't want to involve the "living" and the effects of the afterlife, Shadowlands? Maybe they knew the void was the better manipulator of "life & death"? I just suspect some greater intent behind them using mechanical servitors now, I always thought them capable of creating "biological life", seeing all the ways they could create plant life on planets, but they didn't.
i still believe, what i already did back then, that this "king terenas" who said there must always be a lich king, was a machination by yogg'saron -- terenas never had this evilness in his eyes, just by looking at that ghost i knew we get "screwed" ... well maybe for a good end, without a lich king we would have never entered the shadowlands and the jailer could do his stuff unhindered in the background
I seriously, absolutely love this take. I sincerely hope that Blizzard story writers are watching your videos and getting plot ideas on points that even they might not have thought of.
Nobody seemed to agree with me at the time, but I always found it odd that Terenas said "No king rules forever", as Yogg-Saron says in the vision "He will learn... no king rules forever, only death is eternal!" Perhaps it was just a nice foreshadowing by Yogg-Saron, but it has always bothered me.
@@bengrogan9710 That was also part of it, there were 3 visions. One with king llaine's assasination, one with the lich king torchering bolvar, and anouther where the dragon aspects made the dragon soul
That was an incredible video. Most of us that watch these in-depth videos know more about the history of Azeroth and Warcraft lore in general better than we know about our own ancestors. Wonderful content!
"That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die." - so if we only killed a piece of Yogg, he is still there but not dead? Yogg 10.0 confirmed.
It kinda makes sense since according to the shit load of spoilers from the PTR, the Jailer could potentially fall in the next 2 patches considering how they've built up the story so far. Maybe Void will come during Shadowlands or After Shadowlands.
All the old gods are eternal. They just go back to the void. They probably regenerate physically over time. Until there physical body is whole again. Then there spirits? "For lack of a better name". They have been resting. Learning and planning. 10.0 no. 13.0 or 12.0 yes. In the end? I see the void as Azeroths savior. Azeroth, is with the void. "She has been with us since the beginning". Yogg-Saron.
In felwood when you help Illidan fight Arthas, He wants illidan to steal the Skull of Gul'dan to cleanse the woods because it would benefit the master Arthas serves to see the Legions downfall. BIG HINTS EVEN BACK IN CATACLYSM LEVELING!
Technically speaking the writers who included that line were only borrowing and paying homage to a H.P. Lovecraft line from a novel about Cthulhu...which, paraphrased, was something like "and in strange aeons...even death may die" but yes, it is then possible that the new blizzard writers who took over for the previous ones thought of something else to do with that line.
@@laertesindeed "That is not dead which can eternal lie, / And with strange aeons even death may die." Salient words for Shadowlands being 'eternal' and 'lie'...
@@clogs4956 Given the combination of there being no agreed upon font or typeface for signifying sarcasm or rascality on the internet.....in addition to my history of seeing other people on the internet supposedly with degrees in literature making egregious ethical and logical and grammatical errors based on a grudge or hunch or deep seated bias of theirs....... I had to approach the ambiguous use of the word "lie" from a neutral skeptical frame of mind.
I was thinking about the old gods and came to a startling realization. All the old gods are named after H.P. Lovecraft's outer gods. C'thun is Cthulhu, yog'sarron is yog'sathoth and so on. The most powerful of Lovecraft's outer gods is Azethoth. Kinda sounds like Azeroth. There are similarities between the two that are worth looking into.
Don't worry, the original reason it was named Azeroth was that they just flagrantly stole it from something else. However it is definitely possible that they retcon this to be why
12:06- "Even the Trolls were born of this well." I'm like 99% sure that's inaccurate? Trolls were the original inhabitants, they existed in some form before all others, before even the well. Zul Dazar was ages away from the well.
No, not exactly. According to Chronicles, thanks to the Well the evolution of trolls and several other lifeforms on Azeroth drastically sped up. The dark trolls who turned into elves became so because they built their settlements right around it, causing further mutations over the centuries.
Your lore speculation videos are of the best out there, concerning that kind of wow content. The editing and script conherence throughout the entire video is top knotch. It's also always backed up with actual evidence and no tinfoil hat conclusions drawn. Great job Bel.
Am I wrong in thinking that Yogg-Saron has to be in the pickings for one of the most important characters in Warcraft? Top 5? It's actually ridiculous how much of a role he's had in shaping the narrative I think he's maybe the most underappreciated character in the whole universe.
that may be because to Death , Light and Void are so insignificant that they don't pose a treath , and the void knows that its true so they try to fight death best as they can doing all this kind of plotting.
Also, there is another point you missed. Onyxia instigated Varian Wrynn kidnapping, she was of the black dragon lineage that, as we know, was already corrupted by the old Gods. Why is this important? Because The plan was about replaicing a king unfit to fight death, being Varian a bloodlusted soldier that killed plenty before, with a new king, one that would favor life, so much so that light responds to him like no other and has powers to resusscitate as we have never seen before. Not only that but perhaps she also stood vigil in Boulvar, observing him closely for he's ascencion as the new Lich King. Perhaps this whole deal does have a point afterall, what you think boys?
Yeah the Old Gods and probably the Void Lords do nothing but Xanatos gambits. There is also the possibility that every fight with Old Gods was a test, to see if the mortals of Azeroth were ready to take on their next challenge. So the outs comes where binary for the Old Gods, either they win and do what they do. Or the mortals win, proving their superiority and so are made stronger for what comes next. Its also why the servants of the Old Gods don't understand why the mortals resist them. It was the Old Gods who gave the mortals the gift of flesh and mortality. While simultaneously making the mortals stronger and having them function as their servants in the 'Great Game'. Though I guess the mortals of Azeroth and those who came to live there (Dranei and Orks) are the Children of the Void and of Order.
So what if: we're the way of the old gods' in the Shadowlands? Bolvar is of life, death, and light, which means he can resist their "control" (and also has the power to fight all 3), possibly influenced by the void at this point. We get rid of the Jailer, we have our voidy gifts and void elves and whatnot, AND we have our living nuke named Bolvar, and end up infecting the Shadowlands with void just like our side was infected with old gods before? Bolvar is the next baddie we're gonna fight in a raid in the next expansion, void and light themed. I'm calling it xD
"You tread in the vision of what was, and what will be." - N'zoth upon defeating wrathion and entering Ny'alotha. We were played from the start. It was always a vision. Nothing more.
N'Zoth had complete control of reality in Ny'alotha... I'm not even sure it was actually him that we killed. Even Xal'atath said he obtains victory in 'death'.
Good video, man. Thanks for sharing. The Void is not out to conquer the rest of the cosmos. I've always had the impression that the Void respects the balance. I feel that all the actions that the Void takes are to prevent Death from disrupting the balance of power. I've never seen them as the true enemy (or even an enemy at all).
Stumbled on this while scrolling thru home page and now my mind is blown and I’m watching all bellulars lore videos. Really good stuff, love the content.
@@navidzamzami9220 dare not say his name, hairs will fall back into a N64 Controller shaped widows peak of the thinnest doom. Last time his name was spoken he was seen in a home depot "screaming for Gnomereagon!" Standing with the Lawn Gnomes asking one for a quest while the PA blared "Same Shirt". The kids, the small kids were traumatized.
I was wondering if you think if Nzoth a being of the void and therefore an enemy of death getting "defeated" immediately before he kicks his plans into motion is a coincidence or not. The jailer must be aware of these beings and how they could be a hindrance to him and having them "out of his way" only stands to benefit him. Also isn't our mastery of the power of azeroth (which Nzoth helped Foster} was one of the factors helping us escape the maw?
The Old Gods are our alles ('we share one master' - ilgynoth ) but we are pitted against each other (pantheon against pantheon). and we defeated the pantheon of the Old Gods....
Wait... hold on... something just clicked. Titans pull out Y'Shaarj. Azeroth starts to bleed. Keepers fix the wound, create Well of Eternity. Azshara rises to power. Sundering happens. And here's the kicker, Azshara makes her deal with N'Zoth. Could N'Zoth have foreseen this possibility, and manipulated events so that Y'Shaarj appeared to be the biggest threat and target, forcing the titans to take action, creating the Well of Eternity, which would eventually create the empire that would be ruled by the one to set him free? Was the entire War of the Ancients just a calculated, risky chess move, one that brought the Legion to Azeroth, and forced Azshara into the position of making the deal she made? WAS ALL OF IT N'ZOTH'S PLAN ALL ALONG?!
So, you know how The Void can see all possible ends? The Oribos flight keeper just said to me "The Arbiter sees all truths." Well, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that seems a bit of a spooky coincidence to me.
From what I recall, it only seems to affect the mindless ones, though. Or at least the non-intelligent ones. Maybe that's a variation of the curse of flesh, with Yogg being able to corrupt corpses in the same way that he cursed the Titan constructs? Corpses are just inanimate matter, after all, the same as any automaton. The only difference is that one is animated by necromancy and the other animated by Titan magic.
@@Maria_Erias That could very well be, and I believe it was only the mindless undead so good call there. N'Zoth has also shown some skill in corrupting corpses or in some cases souls like Elerethe Renferal.
Plot armor is when something survives despite the lore, like a regular mortal being shot ten times and surviving or being able to display absurd levels of power despite nothing in the lore suggesting it to be possible. The old gods, if nothing else, have been shown as being weaker than what the lore suggests.
@@TheHalogen131 ehh, that's a weak argument. Saying "you can't have life without death" is the same as saying "you can't have death without life" Meaning he'd also be the god of life, which we know isn't true.
Remember the cutscene where Vol'jin died? Vol'jin: The Loa spirits say, death will claim me soon. Sylvanas: In the end, death claims us all. (with a troubled look on her face) followed by: But the Horde will live on. Vol'jin: I have never trusted you, nor would I have ever imagined, in hour darkest time, that you would be the one to save us. The spirits have granted me clarity. A vision, they whisper a name. Many will not understand, but you must step out of the shadows and lead. You must be warchief. I think this lines up with this theory pretty well. What ya'll think?
HOLY HECK! What if the curse of flesh wasn’t just something to mess with and defeat the titan creations in the time of the Black Empire? Giving us mortality has given the old gods a fighting chance with all of us flesh-beasts knocking around the shadowlands. Could it have been their plan all along to fill the shadowlands with the souls of their creations (us)? They could then manipulate us and the souls of other old-god-made mortals to do their bidding and defeat Death. Wild to think about!
Ok so reeading up it seems that the void's potive at this point is preventing the death of Azeroth because the death of Azeroth would place her beyind their ability to corrupt. That said preventing the death of Azeroth does not inherently corrupt the titan and Azeroth also is the greatest threat to the voidlords.
N'Zoth fell in a vision, Xal'atath left through a portal. A thin veil to the void lies in the priest order hall. To weave a tapestry from strands of light and strands of the void, is the most powerful magic to exist, the power of creation, to defeat the power of death, hmm.
There's absolutely no way Blizzard thought this through like this. The writers over at Blizzard are probably taking all of this into themselves and dumbing it down to make it not seem like a solid copy-pasta because, as I said, there's no way they thought it through like this.
Something to think about too: Maldraxxus = plague/military might of the scourge Revendreth = the san'lyn Kyrian = his valkyrs Night fae = this would probably be the experiment on the green dragon that we interrupted during the ICC raid but it failed.
There may be a connection but the Legion book tends to confirm that the Light and the Void see a ton of possible futures and are always pushing for their one perfect future. So the Arbiter might be either one
@@danmarshall4812 lets be real though the winter queen doesn't like "her sister" for some reason, whether or not korthia plays a part or the devours, heck even the drust, we don't know but Elune hasn't left a good impression on allot of her devoted folowers post Death and life in SL and the winter queen seems to hold her responsible for something pivotal in Ardenwield and the history of the shadowlands in one form or another
none of the old gods are dead though, a being must be returned to its own realm, n'zoth would have died due to the nature of nyalotha (see sargeras' death) but he was captured instead, isn't that sort of the point of this, the only way to kill death is to do so in its own realm. It wouldnt surprise me if the whole jailing of zovaal is about the shadowlands not being the real realm of death (hence why denathrius was imprisoned)
No actually almost every f****** wow player during wrath of the lich King knew there was a connection, because most of the actual players then were older School gamers and not the casual Care bears that have ruined modern gaming. I remember this being talked about all the time in world chat.
It would be a major twist if the old gods have a weird soft spot for us and knows what The Light is capable of and they're kinda like a sinister version of Q in star trek next generation
Since we're going more cosmic I think it'd be cool if some fabled constellation starts turning purple and we had to fight multiple weak old gods or one strong one grasping at other planets.
Fits into game mechanics too. We keep going only because our timeline keeps going... ...only because we keep playing. The players who quit have timelines that cease existing. Therefore they aren't part of Yogg-Saron's plan. If we keep playing, he keeps succeeding and the story continues. That's why we keep surviving such heroic feats. Simply because we haven't quit yet. Boom.
FINALLY! Sylvanas threw herself onto spikes of saronite and the Valkyr came to her; she’s playing a part set out for her and I think she’s aware that her mind is not completely her own... looking at Denathrius there, too. The Old Gods, particularly Yog Saron, has been in my sights for a long time and I keep saying it but N’zoth and Azeroth are either one and the same or, more likely (considering the duality ideas we’re getting in game now) two halves of the same thing. Aaarrggghhh!
MrRhexx made a video about the old gods 6 years ago, explaining how yogg saron "created" the new lich king and influencing many other key parts of history. Though information was limited at the time, it is still relevant and interesting to watch.
Yogg is a being that can look at the future, pick an outcome and then see the handful of iterations of that possibly happening, probably quite ridiculous and convoluted, but he sees what his options are and simply does what is required. No chance, it knows. Only hope is one of those outcomes is half decent for us. Hence why i've been planning a double-cross to become god of death since Sylvanas started her shenanigans. Even Yogg cant see this meta shit comin. The only thing that can survive the void (for 8s)..... a Paladin. I'm the new god of death bitches!!
I can't say I'm convinced that Yog music playing when Bolvar donned the helm was anything more than wanting a dramatic and somewhat sinister tone for the cinematic.
This could also explain why nerubian architecture is so similar to that of the necrolords. It was always explained that the Lich king built necropolises such as nax in the image of nerubians. But when shadowlands was released it was kind of Retconned. Having yog know of the necrolords could explain the similarities some how.
Yogg-Saron opened the way for N'zoth to create the Emerald Nightmare. If he truly is a "God of Death", he might be the creator of Thros, Death's version of the nightmare.
I always thought about that. Amazing storytelling. Death was basically created by the Void with the Curse of Flesh, so the Shadow forces could end up controlling the Cycle of Life. That is why it's the Shadowlands lol It would be a perfect ending to set up the conflict between Light and Void that is being hinted.
Wow, that's a really cool plan. And that makes sense if he can see all the future and is choosing the one that makes him win in the end. Too bad we have an even greater power: being a MMO protagonists. I bet he can't foresee the great final, the raid coming for his juicy ass.
After seeing the 4 millionth square space sponsor i will try it, but I still watch through them because I understand how valuable watch time is to all of us youtubers big and small alike... just wish more companies would sponsor your channel... you and your team deserve it. :)
I haven't been to church in years, but Bellular's videos (this one especially) are written like a pastor preaching and that's very special and nostalgic to me for some reason.
I've been saying Yogg-Saron's behind the Shadowlands for two years now. Glad content creators are finally catching on. It's super obvious. Why do they need all those souls? It's for a feast of souls. Yogg-Saron is all about that. So what's the feast about? What's the purpose? It probably has something to do with summoning a Void Lord to consume Azeroth. There are a metric crap ton of old whispers and clues involving this stuff. From Mueh'zala and his tablet to the puzzle-box of Yogg-Saron, the events surrounding that little Draenei girl, and so on. The world trees are the key. Five of them. Four now corrupted or destroyed by Yogg-Saron. One remains. Hyjal. Once it is gone, Azeroth would no longer be protected. Her soul would be ripe for the harvest.
Yeah I've been thinking about this literally icecrown with the blood of yogg with all the Saronite, and when Sylvanas jumped off icecrown she landed on saronite
@@erikaw7767 And also keeping my fingers crossed for the (possible) reveal that Yogg was impersonating both ghost Uther and ghost Terenas, in order to spread the “There must always be a Lich King!” lie that put Bolvar on the throne.
The old gods manipulated the Titans by attacking Azeroth, so they would create their armies to be fed to death. BTW The old gods did not create the curse of flesh. The Titans did, and it was the original and most commonly use version of life they created. At least according to the quest in the wetlands from classic. So the curse of flesh is not really a curse so much as a normal state, the old gods just manipulated it to reset the rock/mechanical life, to the original used on other planets.
We defeated like an avatar of yogg or a small part of him and fended him off. Old gods are MASSIVE like the size of continents. Also you cannot kill old gods, when yahsharaj was ripped out of the planet by one of the titans it almost destroyed the planet, which is why the remaining old gods were imprisoned. Ulduar is a titan prison
@@barrysmith8078 Ohh I know all that, but I just wanted someone to confirm what I was talking about. Somewhere in Icecrown, there's a husk of a creature that looks like Yogg Saron, dead in the water.
@BellularGaming The Gift of N'Zoth come with an understanding of the Old God's language and the dev's went all out and made sure that any player with the Gift would get a translation of any Old God language in the Game from Vanilla to Shadowlands.
thisll age into 1 of the best stories ever made... i swear those void storage type of npcs would mention from time to time they're always watching, waiting, or are always nearby... that kinda of shit. they gaze at you and shit.. this is trippy
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What about pandaren? Who made them?
Thank you Bellular for trying to help out the poor Acti-Blizz devs who have no support, and acting as a free third party resource that Bobby should be paying for instead of taking bonuses at the cost of employees.
Also Path of Exile 2 looks really amazing.... just saying
I’ve always wanted a full subterranean zone of the nerubian empire in all the grandiosity of their architecture (think an’kahet & azjol nerub cranked up to 11) as well as the depths of their caves. Instead of zones next to one another like normal expansions they’d be stacked like an upside down wedding cake. Obviously yogg stuff would be at the bottom, above that would be the labyrinth of arthas’ journey during the war of the spider, above that would be the kingdoms’ cities, and above that -the open areas between the glacier. Just a thought. Nice video!
Did you delete subs? My sub was removed, so I resubbed;
Odd.
I watch your vids at least once a week, so not from inactivity.
Counterargument: The Old Gods aren't Void aligned at all. They're death aligned. They merely use the Void like Void Elves to obfuscate their true allegiance. They're the same species as Maldraxxus.
Half my WoW fun is watching Bellular.
The only thing that remains sophisticated about Warcraft lore is Bellular's piecing its makers' shit together.
He's 95% of mine lol I never play anymore but still enjoy keeping up with some the lore
same, and the other half is watching asmongold, but only his youtube tho, i aint got time for streams
The other half is jumping around Oribos :)
100% of mine. I unsubscribed but keep up with lore through my man Bellular
Your lore videos do a better job at keeping me subscribed than the actual game, I swear.
Yea right???????????????
Furreal!! Blizz betta pay this boy.
thats not that hard XD
@@NuyiNL same for me, this expac. Legion was nice, BFA had a great group of friends and hoped for SL to save wow for me but it didnt. So ill play for the lore, regions and basic raiding. But no hard farm anymore
Yeah, I wish the game had 1/10 of the depth Bellular and others put into it.
Imagine if Blizz actually knew where their own story was going.
I believe they do/did. In Naxx heading to Kel'thezad the carpeting is blue and gold with lions head. The symbol of Stormwind. The drapes are also blue and gold. Its been that way since Vanilla.
Every time someone says this shit they follow it up with an attitude that refuses to read quest text or books, they just get upset because they play the game as illiterates
@@NoConsequenc3 my thoughts exactly, the lore is just hidden, ofc there are retcons sometimes but they are here because of better/other explanations of things that happend.
After Wrath they were out of cool villains so the decline started, since then it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse...
@@stupidcomment6571 not completly wrong here but also not quite right, the villans were more or less fine they just screwed up in terms of gameplay mechanics and story telling, although the story itself was fine in the most xpacs.
We missed it because we all press the 'accept quest' button and only ready the amount of items we must collect.
If I don't read a quest that I've never done I get nervous
This one hurts
You, Bellular, are one of my favorite bedtime stories
Is Bellular a bedtime story? Huh, I thought he was real.
@@moldgrim1 lmao
Bro this is some 4D thinking right here, my brain hurts.
Yeah, unfortunately Blizzard is too 2D for that, even 1D
I bet the Drust are another contingency of Yogg-Saron. Their Vrykul heritage (derived from Yogg's curse of flesh) probably gave them a natural aptitude towards the Emerald Nightmare and death aspect of Druidism. Now it makes sense why they were able to assault Ardenweald -- through the backdoor that Yogg created long ago. Maybe we'll see that Yogg-Saron is the "Ancient One" spoken of in the zone.
I just wanted to point something out that you didn't touch upon regarding Bolvar being the perfect candidate by the old gods to fight the jailer: Bolvar was "purified" by Alexstrasza at the wrathgate after his and his men's faces melted off from Putress's super plague. And given his fiery glow, I think Bolvar is infused to some degree by the power of the red dragon aspect, which is charged with guarding Life on Azeroth. So there's that.
I still like the theory that N'zoth didn't die or diminish, but let us see a vision of what he wanted and is still hiding in a shadow world, waiting for his opportunity again.
Very interesting points, but I think there's one big one you didn't touch on.
Is this WHY the Pantheon used mechanical creations to fight the void? They refused to create "life" because.... they knew it would only fuel death?
Maybe they just didn't want to bring "life & death" into the war, they didn't want to involve the "living" and the effects of the afterlife, Shadowlands?
Maybe they knew the void was the better manipulator of "life & death"?
I just suspect some greater intent behind them using mechanical servitors now, I always thought them capable of creating "biological life", seeing all the ways they could create plant life on planets, but they didn't.
i still believe, what i already did back then, that this "king terenas" who said there must always be a lich king, was a machination by yogg'saron -- terenas never had this evilness in his eyes, just by looking at that ghost i knew we get "screwed" ... well maybe for a good end, without a lich king we would have never entered the shadowlands and the jailer could do his stuff unhindered in the background
I seriously, absolutely love this take. I sincerely hope that Blizzard story writers are watching your videos and getting plot ideas on points that even they might not have thought of.
Nobody seemed to agree with me at the time, but I always found it odd that Terenas said "No king rules forever", as Yogg-Saron says in the vision "He will learn... no king rules forever, only death is eternal!"
Perhaps it was just a nice foreshadowing by Yogg-Saron, but it has always bothered me.
Where does the line "He will soon learn, no King rules forever. Only death is eternal!" come from, if not the Lich King vision in the Yogg fight?
yes it is from one of the vissions durring Yogg Sarron's raid encounter
I think that's the assassination of king llaine
The person working the register at Arby's told me that once while they were handing me a Beef N Cheddar. Chilled me to the bone.
@@bengrogan9710 That was also part of it, there were 3 visions. One with king llaine's assasination, one with the lich king torchering bolvar, and anouther where the dragon aspects made the dragon soul
@@DarthSmirnoff you deserved that for going to arbys 😂😂
That was an incredible video. Most of us that watch these in-depth videos know more about the history of Azeroth and Warcraft lore in general better than we know about our own ancestors. Wonderful content!
That makes me sad. :(
@@RoninYeti our ancestors...
Bathed less.
So true
"That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die." - so if we only killed a piece of Yogg, he is still there but not dead? Yogg 10.0 confirmed.
It kinda makes sense since according to the shit load of spoilers from the PTR, the Jailer could potentially fall in the next 2 patches considering how they've built up the story so far. Maybe Void will come during Shadowlands or After Shadowlands.
"They do not die, they do not live. They are outside the cycle."
Dead but dreaming
All the old gods are eternal. They just go back to the void. They probably regenerate physically over time. Until there physical body is whole again. Then there spirits? "For lack of a better name". They have been resting. Learning and planning. 10.0 no. 13.0 or 12.0 yes. In the end? I see the void as Azeroths savior. Azeroth, is with the void. "She has been with us since the beginning". Yogg-Saron.
World of Warcraft Shadowlands' Shadowlands
In felwood when you help Illidan fight Arthas, He wants illidan to steal the Skull of Gul'dan to cleanse the woods because it would benefit the master Arthas serves to see the Legions downfall. BIG HINTS EVEN BACK IN CATACLYSM LEVELING!
The "Even Death may Die" quote makes me think of Argus' Soul as what broke the arbiter.
Technically speaking the writers who included that line were only borrowing and paying homage to a H.P. Lovecraft line from a novel about Cthulhu...which, paraphrased, was something like "and in strange aeons...even death may die" but yes, it is then possible that the new blizzard writers who took over for the previous ones thought of something else to do with that line.
@@laertesindeed "That is not dead which can eternal lie, / And with strange aeons even death may die." Salient words for Shadowlands being 'eternal' and 'lie'...
@@clogs4956 Although the word "lie" in that quote is a synonym of just sitting still or sleeping..... not a claim about truthfulness.
@@laertesindeed oh, I know that very well (I hold a degree in English Lit and Lang). but in this instance, I claim liberties.
@@clogs4956 Given the combination of there being no agreed upon font or typeface for signifying sarcasm or rascality on the internet.....in addition to my history of seeing other people on the internet supposedly with degrees in literature making egregious ethical and logical and grammatical errors based on a grudge or hunch or deep seated bias of theirs....... I had to approach the ambiguous use of the word "lie" from a neutral skeptical frame of mind.
I can hear the Maldwalker coming.
Haha bald=funny amirite
Still no sword drop for the Bald One haha.
The Balding One will learn No True King rules forever!!!
@@ProfPuffOfficial yes
@@ProfPuffOfficial Very funny actually
I was thinking about the old gods and came to a startling realization. All the old gods are named after H.P. Lovecraft's outer gods. C'thun is Cthulhu, yog'sarron is yog'sathoth and so on. The most powerful of Lovecraft's outer gods is Azethoth. Kinda sounds like Azeroth. There are similarities between the two that are worth looking into.
Hint of a void titan?
Don't worry, the original reason it was named Azeroth was that they just flagrantly stole it from something else. However it is definitely possible that they retcon this to be why
12:06- "Even the Trolls were born of this well." I'm like 99% sure that's inaccurate? Trolls were the original inhabitants, they existed in some form before all others, before even the well. Zul Dazar was ages away from the well.
No, not exactly. According to Chronicles, thanks to the Well the evolution of trolls and several other lifeforms on Azeroth drastically sped up. The dark trolls who turned into elves became so because they built their settlements right around it, causing further mutations over the centuries.
Your lore speculation videos are of the best out there, concerning that kind of wow content. The editing and script conherence throughout the entire video is top knotch. It's also always backed up with actual evidence and no tinfoil hat conclusions drawn. Great job Bel.
Probably the best lore video I have ever watched. Epic storytelling of a multilayered world. Great freaking job man.
Am I wrong in thinking that Yogg-Saron has to be in the pickings for one of the most important characters in Warcraft? Top 5? It's actually ridiculous how much of a role he's had in shaping the narrative I think he's maybe the most underappreciated character in the whole universe.
Flesh is his gift. He is your true creator.
well the true creator should do a co-op project with the guy who gave us light + =😉
Flesh and death and stuff, yeah... but he gave us anxiety, that fucker
Not if you're a Tauren.
Also owns a fuck toon of child support
In the Necrolord campaign, one of the Bastion Paragons tells Mograine that the Shadowlands are "Beyond such trivial things as the Light and Void."
that may be because to Death , Light and Void are so insignificant that they don't pose a treath , and the void knows that its true so they try to fight death best as they can doing all this kind of plotting.
Also, there is another point you missed. Onyxia instigated Varian Wrynn kidnapping, she was of the black dragon lineage that, as we know, was already corrupted by the old Gods. Why is this important? Because The plan was about replaicing a king unfit to fight death, being Varian a bloodlusted soldier that killed plenty before, with a new king, one that would favor life, so much so that light responds to him like no other and has powers to resusscitate as we have never seen before. Not only that but perhaps she also stood vigil in Boulvar, observing him closely for he's ascencion as the new Lich King. Perhaps this whole deal does have a point afterall, what you think boys?
Yeah the Old Gods and probably the Void Lords do nothing but Xanatos gambits. There is also the possibility that every fight with Old Gods was a test, to see if the mortals of Azeroth were ready to take on their next challenge. So the outs comes where binary for the Old Gods, either they win and do what they do. Or the mortals win, proving their superiority and so are made stronger for what comes next. Its also why the servants of the Old Gods don't understand why the mortals resist them. It was the Old Gods who gave the mortals the gift of flesh and mortality. While simultaneously making the mortals stronger and having them function as their servants in the 'Great Game'. Though I guess the mortals of Azeroth and those who came to live there (Dranei and Orks) are the Children of the Void and of Order.
So what if: we're the way of the old gods' in the Shadowlands? Bolvar is of life, death, and light, which means he can resist their "control" (and also has the power to fight all 3), possibly influenced by the void at this point. We get rid of the Jailer, we have our voidy gifts and void elves and whatnot, AND we have our living nuke named Bolvar, and end up infecting the Shadowlands with void just like our side was infected with old gods before?
Bolvar is the next baddie we're gonna fight in a raid in the next expansion, void and light themed. I'm calling it xD
Meanwhile at Blizzard: "Write that down! Write that down!"
Fucking killed me !!!
"You tread in the vision of what was, and what will be." - N'zoth upon defeating wrathion and entering Ny'alotha. We were played from the start. It was always a vision. Nothing more.
N'Zoth had complete control of reality in Ny'alotha... I'm not even sure it was actually him that we killed. Even Xal'atath said he obtains victory in 'death'.
Doubt it’s a vision. The real victory of N’Zoth came from his influence and the aftermath of Ny’alotha
Good video, man. Thanks for sharing.
The Void is not out to conquer the rest of the cosmos. I've always had the impression that the Void respects the balance. I feel that all the actions that the Void takes are to prevent Death from disrupting the balance of power. I've never seen them as the true enemy (or even an enemy at all).
Stumbled on this while scrolling thru home page and now my mind is blown and I’m watching all bellulars lore videos. Really good stuff, love the content.
The Great Bald One will appear
He is the king of spergs after all
Basically the "special" brother of The Lich King
Someone's going to tell him to watch a video about his family
Asmonbald!!!!!
We can only hope.. Long live Asmongold
@@navidzamzami9220 dare not say his name, hairs will fall back into a N64 Controller shaped widows peak of the thinnest doom.
Last time his name was spoken he was seen in a home depot "screaming for Gnomereagon!" Standing with the Lawn Gnomes asking one for a quest while the PA blared "Same Shirt".
The kids, the small kids were traumatized.
Imagine getting roasted by a Deadpool furry
Bellular makes this lore even better than Blizzard can. I love these videos
I was wondering if you think if Nzoth a being of the void and therefore an enemy of death getting "defeated" immediately before he kicks his plans into motion is a coincidence or not. The jailer must be aware of these beings and how they could be a hindrance to him and having them "out of his way" only stands to benefit him. Also isn't our mastery of the power of azeroth (which Nzoth helped Foster} was one of the factors helping us escape the maw?
They did fight in Warcraft 3. There was a boss in Arthas campaign called "The Forgotten One" that was literally like an Old God.
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die...
“That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.”
Metallica?
Lovecraft
Glad someone said it.
The Old Gods are our alles ('we share one master' - ilgynoth ) but we are pitted against each other (pantheon against pantheon). and we defeated the pantheon of the Old Gods....
Wait... hold on... something just clicked. Titans pull out Y'Shaarj. Azeroth starts to bleed. Keepers fix the wound, create Well of Eternity. Azshara rises to power. Sundering happens. And here's the kicker, Azshara makes her deal with N'Zoth.
Could N'Zoth have foreseen this possibility, and manipulated events so that Y'Shaarj appeared to be the biggest threat and target, forcing the titans to take action, creating the Well of Eternity, which would eventually create the empire that would be ruled by the one to set him free? Was the entire War of the Ancients just a calculated, risky chess move, one that brought the Legion to Azeroth, and forced Azshara into the position of making the deal she made? WAS ALL OF IT N'ZOTH'S PLAN ALL ALONG?!
So, you know how The Void can see all possible ends? The Oribos flight keeper just said to me "The Arbiter sees all truths."
Well, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that seems a bit of a spooky coincidence to me.
Just when I thought that your WoW lore videos cannot get any better...great Video! Thanks!
Saronite can affect the Undead too. There are Undead in Icecrown that have started whispering Yogg's name.
From what I recall, it only seems to affect the mindless ones, though. Or at least the non-intelligent ones. Maybe that's a variation of the curse of flesh, with Yogg being able to corrupt corpses in the same way that he cursed the Titan constructs? Corpses are just inanimate matter, after all, the same as any automaton. The only difference is that one is animated by necromancy and the other animated by Titan magic.
@@Maria_Erias That could very well be, and I believe it was only the mindless undead so good call there. N'Zoth has also shown some skill in corrupting corpses or in some cases souls like Elerethe Renferal.
10/10 lore video, 100/10 advertisement pitch
Old Gods, now with even more plot armor than Sylvanas!
But arent they NOT dead, but only diminished?
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Know your place peon and leave my Queens name out of your mouth
Plot armor is when something survives despite the lore, like a regular mortal being shot ten times and surviving or being able to display absurd levels of power despite nothing in the lore suggesting it to be possible. The old gods, if nothing else, have been shown as being weaker than what the lore suggests.
@@A2ndVoice I don't know who that Queen is but she's not mine so you can say that name all you want.
"The God of Death"
Creates the curse of flesh, which inheritely causes life.
Well without life there's no death. Machines can't die, because they were never alive. I think.
@@TheHalogen131 ehh, that's a weak argument.
Saying "you can't have life without death" is the same as saying "you can't have death without life"
Meaning he'd also be the god of life, which we know isn't true.
this is one of your best videos, good job!
Remember the cutscene where Vol'jin died?
Vol'jin: The Loa spirits say, death will claim me soon.
Sylvanas: In the end, death claims us all. (with a troubled look on her face) followed by: But the Horde will live on.
Vol'jin: I have never trusted you, nor would I have ever imagined, in hour darkest time, that you would be the one to save us. The spirits have granted me clarity. A vision, they whisper a name. Many will not understand, but you must step out of the shadows and lead. You must be warchief.
I think this lines up with this theory pretty well. What ya'll think?
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HOLY HECK! What if the curse of flesh wasn’t just something to mess with and defeat the titan creations in the time of the Black Empire? Giving us mortality has given the old gods a fighting chance with all of us flesh-beasts knocking around the shadowlands. Could it have been their plan all along to fill the shadowlands with the souls of their creations (us)? They could then manipulate us and the souls of other old-god-made mortals to do their bidding and defeat Death. Wild to think about!
It's so weird, knowing all these things already, but you put the puzzle pieces together.
Ok so reeading up it seems that the void's potive at this point is preventing the death of Azeroth because the death of Azeroth would place her beyind their ability to corrupt. That said preventing the death of Azeroth does not inherently corrupt the titan and Azeroth also is the greatest threat to the voidlords.
N'Zoth fell in a vision, Xal'atath left through a portal. A thin veil to the void lies in the priest order hall. To weave a tapestry from strands of light and strands of the void, is the most powerful magic to exist, the power of creation, to defeat the power of death, hmm.
We kill the jailor. But you always need a jailor of the damned. So bolvar becomes the new jailor.
There's absolutely no way Blizzard thought this through like this. The writers over at Blizzard are probably taking all of this into themselves and dumbing it down to make it not seem like a solid copy-pasta because, as I said, there's no way they thought it through like this.
Something to think about too:
Maldraxxus = plague/military might of the scourge
Revendreth = the san'lyn
Kyrian = his valkyrs
Night fae = this would probably be the experiment on the green dragon that we interrupted during the ICC raid but it failed.
Still no one unsettled by the fact that the Void "sees all truths", and the flight master in Oribos says the exact same thing of the Arbiter?
the void sees all futures true or not, the arbiter sees all truths of the soul, memories of te past and intentions
There may be a connection but the Legion book tends to confirm that the Light and the Void see a ton of possible futures and are always pushing for their one perfect future. So the Arbiter might be either one
could be on to something, however i dont think the Arbiter is light or void, i would say they fit the construct of "Order" better than anything
Also Tyrande (presumably referencing Elune) when you click on her NPC model : "in her light, all truths are revealed".
@@danmarshall4812 lets be real though the winter queen doesn't like "her sister" for some reason, whether or not korthia plays a part or the devours, heck even the drust, we don't know but Elune hasn't left a good impression on allot of her devoted folowers post Death and life in SL and the winter queen seems to hold her responsible for something pivotal in Ardenwield and the history of the shadowlands in one form or another
Are we not gonna talk about n’zoth vanishing upon death/containment? Shouldnt this leave an enormous crater in the world?
Your lore theorycrafting videos are TOP NOTCH.
none of the old gods are dead though, a being must be returned to its own realm, n'zoth would have died due to the nature of nyalotha (see sargeras' death) but he was captured instead, isn't that sort of the point of this, the only way to kill death is to do so in its own realm. It wouldnt surprise me if the whole jailing of zovaal is about the shadowlands not being the real realm of death (hence why denathrius was imprisoned)
No actually almost every f****** wow player during wrath of the lich King knew there was a connection, because most of the actual players then were older School gamers and not the casual Care bears that have ruined modern gaming. I remember this being talked about all the time in world chat.
Yog's new card in hearthstone says "your fate is bound to me"
Please always make these kinds of videos!! I love the speculation
It would be a major twist if the old gods have a weird soft spot for us and knows what The Light is capable of and they're kinda like a sinister version of Q in star trek next generation
Your content, your delivery, just great. I cancelled my sub to wow but you got me here listening to the lore. Well played
Since we're going more cosmic I think it'd be cool if some fabled constellation starts turning purple and we had to fight multiple weak old gods or one strong one grasping at other planets.
Fits into game mechanics too.
We keep going only because our timeline keeps going...
...only because we keep playing.
The players who quit have timelines that cease existing.
Therefore they aren't part of Yogg-Saron's plan.
If we keep playing,
he keeps succeeding and the story continues.
That's why we keep surviving such heroic feats.
Simply because we haven't quit yet.
Boom.
FINALLY! Sylvanas threw herself onto spikes of saronite and the Valkyr came to her; she’s playing a part set out for her and I think she’s aware that her mind is not completely her own... looking at Denathrius there, too. The Old Gods, particularly Yog Saron, has been in my sights for a long time and I keep saying it but N’zoth and Azeroth are either one and the same or, more likely (considering the duality ideas we’re getting in game now) two halves of the same thing. Aaarrggghhh!
MrRhexx made a video about the old gods 6 years ago, explaining how yogg saron "created" the new lich king and influencing many other key parts of history.
Though information was limited at the time, it is still relevant and interesting to watch.
Yogg is a being that can look at the future, pick an outcome and then see the handful of iterations of that possibly happening, probably quite ridiculous and convoluted, but he sees what his options are and simply does what is required. No chance, it knows. Only hope is one of those outcomes is half decent for us. Hence why i've been planning a double-cross to become god of death since Sylvanas started her shenanigans. Even Yogg cant see this meta shit comin. The only thing that can survive the void (for 8s)..... a Paladin. I'm the new god of death bitches!!
this must be one of the most awesome videos from michael... ty man!
I can't say I'm convinced that Yog music playing when Bolvar donned the helm was anything more than wanting a dramatic and somewhat sinister tone for the cinematic.
Love these lore videos. Please don't stop making them.
But Yogg isn'd dead. We only killed a small part of him that was imprisoned.
So … we’re essentially caught in the middle of the war between Death and the Void?
This could also explain why nerubian architecture is so similar to that of the necrolords. It was always explained that the Lich king built necropolises such as nax in the image of nerubians. But when shadowlands was released it was kind of Retconned. Having yog know of the necrolords could explain the similarities some how.
Blizzard when Bellular releases a new lore video:
*WRITE IT DOWN, WRITE IT DOWN!*
Haha
Yogg-Saron opened the way for N'zoth to create the Emerald Nightmare. If he truly is a "God of Death", he might be the creator of Thros, Death's version of the nightmare.
This is sooo underrated! I hope you're right.
Yep, he's a god of death alright. Dead every week after Wednesday's reset 🤣
While we are breaking the Shadowlands, the old gods are returning from their deathly prisons and poison the world
Sylvanas " Where a usurper sits on a frozen throne"
I have not played WoW since 2013, but I still love watching your lore dives, Michael!
I always thought about that. Amazing storytelling. Death was basically created by the Void with the Curse of Flesh, so the Shadow forces could end up controlling the Cycle of Life. That is why it's the Shadowlands lol
It would be a perfect ending to set up the conflict between Light and Void that is being hinted.
Wow, that's a really cool plan. And that makes sense if he can see all the future and is choosing the one that makes him win in the end.
Too bad we have an even greater power: being a MMO protagonists. I bet he can't foresee the great final, the raid coming for his juicy ass.
After seeing the 4 millionth square space sponsor i will try it, but I still watch through them because I understand how valuable watch time is to all of us youtubers big and small alike... just wish more companies would sponsor your channel... you and your team deserve it. :)
The sound of a thousand straws being clinged to.
Awesome content!
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We didn’t miss it blizzard admitted to not telling their story good enough. Yogg saron was supposed to be much bigger feature connected to arthas
I haven't been to church in years, but Bellular's videos (this one especially) are written like a pastor preaching and that's very special and nostalgic to me for some reason.
I've been saying Yogg-Saron's behind the Shadowlands for two years now. Glad content creators are finally catching on.
It's super obvious. Why do they need all those souls? It's for a feast of souls. Yogg-Saron is all about that. So what's the feast about? What's the purpose? It probably has something to do with summoning a Void Lord to consume Azeroth. There are a metric crap ton of old whispers and clues involving this stuff. From Mueh'zala and his tablet to the puzzle-box of Yogg-Saron, the events surrounding that little Draenei girl, and so on.
The world trees are the key. Five of them. Four now corrupted or destroyed by Yogg-Saron. One remains. Hyjal.
Once it is gone, Azeroth would no longer be protected. Her soul would be ripe for the harvest.
Man, what’s with these bad guys wanting to eat everybody’s souls? Couldn’t we just appease them with bagels, lol?
Trying to fall asleep tonight with one eye open... your tale of lore.spinning in my mind...
Coughed up on my dinner plate hearing Y'ggsaron and Lich King connection.
Yeah I've been thinking about this literally icecrown with the blood of yogg with all the Saronite, and when Sylvanas jumped off icecrown she landed on saronite
@@erikaw7767 “Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it.” :)
@@erikaw7767 And also keeping my fingers crossed for the (possible) reveal that Yogg was impersonating both ghost Uther and ghost Terenas, in order to spread the “There must always be a Lich King!” lie that put Bolvar on the throne.
@@topnotchshinobi I think it would be dope if yogg pulled all these strings, always thought he was the best old God...lore wise and fight wise..
Bellular, I don't play WoW anymore but your videos still let me enjoy it, thank you
During the quest in legion when magni calls us in sholazar... how is he or Azeroth able to see the blade... the future? Without the void and Velen?
The old gods manipulated the Titans by attacking Azeroth, so they would create their armies to be fed to death. BTW The old gods did not create the curse of flesh. The Titans did, and it was the original and most commonly use version of life they created. At least according to the quest in the wetlands from classic. So the curse of flesh is not really a curse so much as a normal state, the old gods just manipulated it to reset the rock/mechanical life, to the original used on other planets.
Could be wrong, but isn't Yogg Saron's "corpse" lying around Icecrown somewhere in a pool of water?
We defeated like an avatar of yogg or a small part of him and fended him off. Old gods are MASSIVE like the size of continents. Also you cannot kill old gods, when yahsharaj was ripped out of the planet by one of the titans it almost destroyed the planet, which is why the remaining old gods were imprisoned. Ulduar is a titan prison
@@barrysmith8078 Ohh I know all that, but I just wanted someone to confirm what I was talking about. Somewhere in Icecrown, there's a husk of a creature that looks like Yogg Saron, dead in the water.
@BellularGaming The Gift of N'Zoth come with an understanding of the Old God's language and the dev's went all out and made sure that any player with the Gift would get a translation of any Old God language in the Game from Vanilla to Shadowlands.
You guys remember the old skybox above the Citadel? How the clouds were parting away just above the Citadel? Shadowlands foretelling since Wrath!
thisll age into 1 of the best stories ever made... i swear those void storage type of npcs would mention from time to time they're always watching, waiting, or are always nearby... that kinda of shit. they gaze at you and shit.. this is trippy