I can totally relate to the whole, not overwriting a hard drive that hasn't been used in over a decade lol. But man, it so much fun to see an old system, with UNIX installed, running on a new SSD. Haiku is a very nice distro!
To be honest, Haiku is so fast it hardly makes a difference to run it off an ssd haha I wish they had better graphics support. Especially since BeOS was great at multimedia, which just doesn't run flawlessly on Haiku because of that.
@@ex-itguy Not really. Pretty much the only place in Haiku I've noticed the lack of hardware acceleration is games. (I don't really watch YT on Haiku)
@@SkepticalCaveman I noticed that, but since I already updated with beta 5 repositories I don't think things have changed that much. I'll surely give it a try though! :)
Haiku is basically Unix. It is a very common misconception that Haiku is not a UNIX. It's debatable whether or not BeOS was a UNIX, but I think by most standards it was: the `fork()`-based process model, UNIX-style file descriptors. Haiku has all the bits BeOS had, of course, but it has far extended the POSIX compliance: it has mmap, but also pthreads, and /dev/ (including all the staples, like /dev/null, etc.) These aren't mere compatibility wrappers, but often the "native" APIs; some of the Be APIs are implemented on Haiku using them (while others use lower-level APIs.) There is no "POSIX compatibility layer" in the kernel, it's just natively POSIX all the way down.
BeOS wasn’t trying to be a UNIX. Haiku is trying to be BeOS, but they have added better POSIX support because it makes porting apps easier. But Haiku is a POSIX compatible OS, not a UNIX.
@@rm9sbg93zxjzg not really. All the BSDs are basically the UNIX original source, but with a lot of modification and additional work. The LINUX kernel is not a UNIX because is was written from scratch. The BeOS kernel in not a UNIX because it was written from scratch.
I agree! A lot of the issues are just a matter of a relatively small userbase. If the project would have been bigger, we would probably have working gpu acceleration and stuff like that already. :) Cool project to keep an eye on for sure.
Just tried haiku 32bit , couldn't get it to boot without thumb drive after install. Booted in, set up boot manager still won't boot, went back to Linux.
At power-up, hold down SPACE or SHIFT, one of those keys should bring up a boot options menu for Haiku. Go into safe mode, and you can select a generic graphics option. That should let it boot on your Athlon 64. (Actually, it probably has already booted, it's just not displaying anything.) You can alter a config file within Haiku to run this mode automatically. As to UA-cam, I found it got close to watchable by selecting 360p quality, but not in WebPositive. This was on an older Samsung laptop with an AMD A6 APU, and Radeon 7500G graphics.
Dat laatste is vooral jammer inderdaad. In deze tijd moeten dingen als het tonen van een UA-cam video gewoon feilloos werken en dat viel helaas erg tegen. Verder en schitterend systeem dus het is hopen op betere hardware support.
Luckily most laptops do nowadays, but is it really a problem of usb wifi not working or to you just need one with the right chipset? I haven't tried that tbh
@@ex-itguy Unfortunately you'll find out after doing a deep dive about it that this os won't work with any usb wifi. It simply is NOT part of the os yet. Weird I know but it's different from linux and the others so be patient..... We just take it for granted that it should just work. As a programmer I can tell you it doesn't work that way. Before I researched it I tried 8 different usb wifi's in three different laptops. I'm sort of a computer geek. I hope this save you some time!
@@garyjonjon Good to know. And I totally understand it isn't that easy to implement. Just something you'd expect to work in 2024, but I guess both the userbase and dev team are too small to make big steps.
Now or no acceleration? I guess I could try it on a bit younger hardware but to be honest I would expect a system from 2015 that runs just fine in Windows and Linux to at least be able to show a UA-cam video without much issues. :)
Good question. It's perfectly stable so I'd say they could just as well label it RC or even final... display drivers aren't really a showstopper for that. :)
@@ex-itguy tribblix and openindiana belong in the unix family coming from illumos kernel which comes from solaris/sunos and so on it is in fact the only true unix derivative nowdays...creator of debian involved on openindiana btw i am waiting for your videos (and if it's to show a linux distro void/agarimos and dragora are exotic options to show).
@@ex-itguy ye... on haiku hw database: Radeon HD 8400 /R3 series for ex. one of your machine a think. btw you should keep one pendre for that machine and try time to time for hardwer acceleration. as i read haiku sites they are working on it. so maybe some month or 1-2 yrs...
Linux sure has some advantages over Haiku, but this runs a whole lot faster! That being said, I moved that laptop to our kids and did install Linux (in another video) with some kids games.
@@ex-itguy Haiku is faster in terms of what?? Opening programs? Last time I used Haiku on my laptop with good specs it ran really slow and crashed a lot. Even in your video, games and videos on UA-cam looked all laggy. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to bash Haiku. I’d like to see Haiku do better but it’s light years behind any Linux distro. It doesn’t even have a modern web browser (not yet anyway) and the project is well over 20 years old!
@@awa0927 well I do believe that a Firefox variant just has been ported to Haiku, so that seems promising. I meant that the OS in general runs way faster than any modern Linux. It's booting way faster and feels way more snappy overal. Its on things that really rely on hardware acceleration that Haiku fails to impress. I really hope they can do something about that because in 2024 (or... '25) you just can't do without it.
@@ex-itguy What distro and environment are you using?? I can’t remember any time I used a distro that wasn’t fast and snappy… Faster booting is nice but doesn’t really mean anything if the OS isn’t daily drivable. Last I checked, that Firefox version for Haiku isn’t stable nor has it been officially released. Even if it can play UA-cam we still don’t know if it can play Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. On top of that Haiku still lacks a lot of basic options all Linux distributions have. For example, you can’t even rotate your screen in the display settings. I don’t think you can use multiple monitors either.. the list goes on. Haiku needs a lot of development. Being in beta even after 20 years is ridiculous lol..
I had a similar experience with Haiku too! Much development is needed with this OS.
I really like it though! Would love to see this being more usable. :)
I can totally relate to the whole, not overwriting a hard drive that hasn't been used in over a decade lol. But man, it so much fun to see an old system, with UNIX installed, running on a new SSD. Haiku is a very nice distro!
To be honest, Haiku is so fast it hardly makes a difference to run it off an ssd haha
I wish they had better graphics support. Especially since BeOS was great at multimedia, which just doesn't run flawlessly on Haiku because of that.
@@ex-itguy There isn't really hardware acceleration
@@coolcoder613 That kinda sucks since you just need it for about anything that moves on your screen nowadays.
@@ex-itguy Not really. Pretty much the only place in Haiku I've noticed the lack of hardware acceleration is games. (I don't really watch YT on Haiku)
Haiku isn't a Linux distribution
What are your thoughts on Haiku? Have I missed anything that makes it even better?
You do not seem to have explored the stack-and-tile window manager
@@coolcoder613 didn't even know about that! Thanks for the heads-up! I will when I return to Haiku in the future.
Beta 5 is out now.
@@SkepticalCaveman I noticed that, but since I already updated with beta 5 repositories I don't think things have changed that much. I'll surely give it a try though! :)
test the basic user appz! plz.!
Haiku is basically Unix. It is a very common misconception that Haiku is not a UNIX. It's debatable whether or not BeOS was a UNIX, but I think by most standards it was: the `fork()`-based process model, UNIX-style file descriptors.
Haiku has all the bits BeOS had, of course, but it has far extended the POSIX compliance: it has mmap, but also pthreads, and /dev/ (including all the staples, like /dev/null, etc.) These aren't mere compatibility wrappers, but often the "native" APIs; some of the Be APIs are implemented on Haiku using them (while others use lower-level APIs.) There is no "POSIX compatibility layer" in the kernel, it's just natively POSIX all the way down.
Didn't know that. Thanks for giving a bit of extra insight!
BeOS wasn’t trying to be a UNIX. Haiku is trying to be BeOS, but they have added better POSIX support because it makes porting apps easier. But Haiku is a POSIX compatible OS, not a UNIX.
And by that I mean, once you leave POSIX compatibility, the API and the interfaces to the kernel are completely different.
@@Henderson101 I think the only unix was from ATT, the rest were licensees, and the rest were essentially clones thru POSIX compliance.
@@rm9sbg93zxjzg not really. All the BSDs are basically the UNIX original source, but with a lot of modification and additional work. The LINUX kernel is not a UNIX because is was written from scratch. The BeOS kernel in not a UNIX because it was written from scratch.
I love BeOS Haiku, amazing OS and not sure why never flourished!
I agree! A lot of the issues are just a matter of a relatively small userbase. If the project would have been bigger, we would probably have working gpu acceleration and stuff like that already. :)
Cool project to keep an eye on for sure.
for me it's because it still has many basic things it's not capable of like usb wifi.
Software updater won't work right now because they are moving things over to beta 5 bulid
That's exactly what I say in the video 😄
But changing the repos to beta5 made it work again.
@ex-itguy my bad I didn't see that part in video
No problem my friend! 😄
Just tried haiku 32bit , couldn't get it to boot without thumb drive after install. Booted in, set up boot manager still won't boot, went back to Linux.
That's weird, you sure you've had it place the bootloader as well?
@ex-itguy yes, followed instructions from a forum
ah right. I haven't really tried to dual boot it myself yet.
@ex-itguy this was a bare install on an older, much older, PC. There was no other os
Weird, that would work just fine. I'd ask on a Haiku forum or Reddit if you still want to make it work. :)
At power-up, hold down SPACE or SHIFT, one of those keys should bring up a boot options menu for Haiku. Go into safe mode, and you can select a generic graphics option. That should let it boot on your Athlon 64. (Actually, it probably has already booted, it's just not displaying anything.) You can alter a config file within Haiku to run this mode automatically. As to UA-cam, I found it got close to watchable by selecting 360p quality, but not in WebPositive. This was on an older Samsung laptop with an AMD A6 APU, and Radeon 7500G graphics.
Thanks! I still have that box, curious to see how it'll do in Haiku :)
Leuke video! Haiku lijkt mij een snel systeem voor oude computers, maar ik denk dat het niet zo geschikt is als de gpu drivers niet goed werken 😅
Dat laatste is vooral jammer inderdaad. In deze tijd moeten dingen als het tonen van een UA-cam video gewoon feilloos werken en dat viel helaas erg tegen. Verder en schitterend systeem dus het is hopen op betere hardware support.
Love trying out new os's. I wish this had usb wifi ability. if your old laptop has built in wifi it's great.
Luckily most laptops do nowadays, but is it really a problem of usb wifi not working or to you just need one with the right chipset? I haven't tried that tbh
@@ex-itguy Unfortunately you'll find out after doing a deep dive about it that this os won't work with any usb wifi. It simply is NOT part of the os yet. Weird I know but it's different from linux and the others so be patient..... We just take it for granted that it should just work. As a programmer I can tell you it doesn't work that way. Before I researched it I tried 8 different usb wifi's in three different laptops. I'm sort of a computer geek. I hope this save you some time!
@@garyjonjon Good to know. And I totally understand it isn't that easy to implement. Just something you'd expect to work in 2024, but I guess both the userbase and dev team are too small to make big steps.
@@ex-itguy hopefully it comes around before the project gets abandoned. I like new things and invention!
very interesting alternative os! but gpu driver at least for intel or amd really needed!
Yep
Even on supported GPUs there is now hardware accelerate 3D on haiku, so you need a faster CPU ;)
Now or no acceleration? I guess I could try it on a bit younger hardware but to be honest I would expect a system from 2015 that runs just fine in Windows and Linux to at least be able to show a UA-cam video without much issues. :)
What model of dell wyze thin client was it please. share. would like to try it
It's a Dx0Q, I reviewed it's capabilities with Linux last week. :)
@@ex-itguy Thank you
Ngl I had less ram usage with lxle on Intel atom laptop this summer
That 32-bit, so maybe the 32-bit version needs a bit less? Idk.
When will Haiku finally leave the Beta status?
Good question. It's perfectly stable so I'd say they could just as well label it RC or even final... display drivers aren't really a showstopper for that. :)
If you want to try an alternative os nd a unix one i would love to see Tribblix.
Never heard of that one, I'll put it on my list to check out. Thanks!
@@ex-itguy tribblix and openindiana belong in the unix family coming from illumos kernel which comes from solaris/sunos and so on
it is in fact the only true unix derivative nowdays...creator of debian involved on openindiana btw i am waiting for your videos (and if it's to show a linux distro void/agarimos and dragora are exotic options to show).
in my opinion maybe you should choose mesa ones.
Please enlighten this Haiku noob! 😄
Do you mean specific video cards?
@@ex-itguy ye... on haiku hw database: Radeon HD 8400 /R3 series for ex. one of your machine a think. btw you should keep one pendre for that machine and try time to time for hardwer acceleration. as i read haiku sites they are working on it. so maybe some month or 1-2 yrs...
@@VladiFx oh sure I will keep coming back to it from time to time as I very much like the OS itself. :)
debian, mint.... 100 times better
Linux sure has some advantages over Haiku, but this runs a whole lot faster!
That being said, I moved that laptop to our kids and did install Linux (in another video) with some kids games.
@@ex-itguy
Haiku is faster in terms of what?? Opening programs?
Last time I used Haiku on my laptop with good specs it ran really slow and crashed a lot.
Even in your video, games and videos on UA-cam looked all laggy.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to bash Haiku. I’d like to see Haiku do better but it’s light years behind any Linux distro. It doesn’t even have a modern web browser (not yet anyway) and the project is well over 20 years old!
@@awa0927 well I do believe that a Firefox variant just has been ported to Haiku, so that seems promising.
I meant that the OS in general runs way faster than any modern Linux. It's booting way faster and feels way more snappy overal. Its on things that really rely on hardware acceleration that Haiku fails to impress. I really hope they can do something about that because in 2024 (or... '25) you just can't do without it.
@@ex-itguy
What distro and environment are you using?? I can’t remember any time I used a distro that wasn’t fast and snappy…
Faster booting is nice but doesn’t really mean anything if the OS isn’t daily drivable.
Last I checked, that Firefox version for Haiku isn’t stable nor has it been officially released. Even if it can play UA-cam we still don’t know if it can play Netflix or Amazon Prime Video.
On top of that Haiku still lacks a lot of basic options all Linux distributions have. For example, you can’t even rotate your screen in the display settings. I don’t think you can use multiple monitors either.. the list goes on.
Haiku needs a lot of development. Being in beta even after 20 years is ridiculous lol..
bezt video
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
sudo apt update
sudo apt install nvidia-driver-5xx (where xx is the branch you want installed).
It's not a Linux distro...
Not even close