DragBoss Garage: Road Trip To Fred's For More Rare Ford Parts, See His 68 Mustang Race Car...
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- This video is a road trip to my buddy's Fred. He has the 68 Mustang you see, He was originally going to put a small block Ford in it based on this E3ZM- 6015-A351 Ford Motorsports Block. It features Siamesed cylinders, splayed 4 bolt cap, on the center mains, and go I would say 4.125. He was going to put C302b heads on and the Jack Roush intake along with the Ford Motorsport Crankshaft, M-6303-B351 Ford and matching Crower Billet Con Rods. But now is going to go BBF, I told him a nice pump gas 598-600ci, pump gas motor, and run 8s with the Mustang. Thanks to Fred and his Dad for their hospitality........Well now what to do with these parts now....Build a Clevor...........Wait I need those C302b heads....Stay tuned
Very cool stout block and crank
Oh yeah it is and it needs to be wailed on with rpm Michael
wow! Cool find 👌🏼🏁
I like this old Motorsports parts. She needs to be going together for something special. Stay tuned for that.
@@DragBoss351Cleveland definitely👌🏼🏁 don’t see stuff like that floating around for sale much nowadays, especially down here..... you Shld consider that “XE” block you have💪🏼🏁 can’t remember if it were .030 over or needed one sleeve? But that’ll tolerate a lot of HP 💪🏼🏁
Thanks Janks. It is .030, has a nice sleeve. Bet it could go .060, 4.080?
@@DragBoss351Cleveland perfect 👌🏼, I’d leave it .030 & just do a light hone if it allows it.....
Be cool topped by a pair of them rare badass heads...
If you got a set of old forged already.030 pistons, can even get them expanded to suit an over-hone or even .005 clean up.....
I’ve had that done on my old 10sec Clevo in the day 👌🏼🏁
One of those things, just not sure how it will be built. Have all the parts for a 357, could go big bore with 4.125. Time will tell, another build to add to the list. Hmmm another car😉
A lot of great parts and cars. Thanks 😊 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it, it was a great drive tunes going.
HI Tim This was the time when Ford combined the best of Windsor and Cleveland and called it the Ford Motorsport SVO Block which most aftermarket blocks were coppied off,Its a pity they never just fixed all the so called problems of the clevo,then we would had more pure bred cleveland blocks today at a afordable prices
I know it. I was thinking the same thing. Pretty cool stout piece. We need to build it now. Thanks Snake
Nice score Tim, can't be a lot of them lying around unused....would be good to get Ernie Elliott to put together a Nascar style motor for you. 750-800 HP that could run flat out for 500 miles, like that beast he built that whooped everything at the Daytona 500 in 1985 !!!
I know it. I need to look him up and get an interview. Someone else said he liked stock cleveland blocks better. 🤔
@@DragBoss351Cleveland If you could pick that master engine builders brain, you'd really be getting some secret sauce on both Clevo's and Clevor's !!
@@arkhsm hmmmm who is the master engine builder?
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Ernie Elliott !!
Totaly cool to see some of this stuff is still floating around out their.is it priority main oiling.i would guess it is.the E should mean 80 to 89.the 3 should be the year.Z car line (mustang according to this)M ford motorsport SVO. looks like NASCAR stuff???.
Yes I have it listed in my 91 Ford Motorsports catalog. Rugged block for sure Anthony. Morgan back on 12/3, at 7pm.
Hey Tim, nice find with the motorsport block and crank. The date code on the block 5A20 would be January 20th 1985. I have that same Jack Roush intake going on my 393 Cleveland with AFD head I got many years ago.
Thanks Michael. Yes rare piece. Thanks for the date. Have used that Roush intake many times. Nice on the 393 build.
That block is strong enough for a mild turbo application. It should support 1500 hp. with ease! Just a thought, I do appreciate well built NA engines as well.
Your so right. Has so many possibilities. Think I have a plan for it. Has to go in something you know CJ
I was surprised to see no "turtle" in the bottom of that intake. There is still a company out there that makes new ones that help direct the air. I saw it on an "Engine Masters" episode. I used to see them when I was a kid, I even JB welded a couple into place. Always worked well.
Never used one or thought they worked well. Sounds like they do from you. Thanks for watching. Glad your into the channel
Great Sunday to you all and now I am going to make arrangements for you after lunchtime today. Nothing like sharing The Dragboss at church!
Hey John. God bless you and your family. I hope the members enjoy DBG on Sunday, cold and snowy. Stay tuned
Sent a block like that to the junkyard. The Mains were oval and couldn't be repaired. It was a tough block to crack.
Nice to know it’s strong jason. Thanks
I live in the Denver CO area. Do you know any Cleveland engine builders interested area. Does not have to be metro area. Thanks
This is from Bud Dr.Ron Berges, Dr.Ron Racing. Pete Lupfer at Ridge Reamer Machine in Arvada suburb is great. He has a Dyno. He dyno’d my 454 Windsor back in 2012. Also Blue Thunder another shop. They have has moved to a new address in west/southwest Denver. Thanks Peter 🏁
Hi Tim,
That block is one I've seen before. The block is (from my understanding at the time ), what Mose Nowland, came up with to replace, the previous Aussie sourced motorsport block which was the last of the real Cleveland blocks. The Cleveland 2.75 inch mains, were a proven, and the fact that teams were running 9.2 deck height ( Cleveland ) already. Mose knew that the machining was to be done at the Windsor plant, so the change to a Windsor front format. This allowed the blocks to be rough machined on the Windsor line. Another person involved was Waddell Wilson, a former Holman Moody engine builder, and the engine builder for Cale Yarborough/ Rainier at that time. That team was making the move from GM to a Thunderbird, and Waddell had input, one being a grade of cast iron he had helped in the development of. Sadly Mr. Nowland passed away this past summer. He would have been a great interview.
Another aside, was that Ford teams that were already using the Cleveland motorsport blocks, were reluctant to use the Windsor/Cleveland block at first. Ernie Eliott used the Cleveland blocks, and preferred the Cleveland at that time 1984-85. He had blocks with more than 20 ,500 mile races in the books. Those last Clevelands must have been pretty good castings. (At least the ones that passed sonic testing.)
John cool history, thanks for sharing. Never knew Elliot used stock cleveland blocks. Be great to talk to also. I have never had a clevor but the block looks like a solid foundation for some project. I Have never heard of those guys, Wilson or nowland. Cool to get a behind the scenes synopsis John, thanks for being here
@@DragBoss351Cleveland I don't know how many stock Cleveland block were used. Though Bud Moore did use them, when he couldn't get an XE block. Bud and Mose Nowland did the engineering / along with the Aussies for the last run of the XE, SVO blocks about late 1981- early 1982. I have a Ford press release with Bud Moore and Lenoard Wood, along with the last run of SVO Cleveland block. You have an XE block. All of this went as far back as 1968-1970 time period, as NASCAR announced a small block 366 cubic inch rule for 1971. After a lot of complaining from the teams who had a lot of $$$ invested in big blocks, NASCAR came up with a restrictor plate formula for big blocks. Ford was officially out, of racing, so all the Cleveland tooling, was sent to OZ. ( Which we all know that story)
Another story, Richard Petty, was looking over the landscape, as Chrysler was in financial trouble and he knew bankruptcy was near. They had bought several Chevrolet engines from various engine builders. He said at that time that 90% of the engine development being done was on the Chevrolet. However Petty was open minded and bought a 351 Cleveland from Bud Moore. That engine made 40 hp more than the best Chevrolet they had tested ! Yes, Cleveland's make power!
@@johnsalvaterra1355 thanks John again for giving me the low down. I have the later XE, these are the pillow blocks. but have a buddy that has one of the Don Topes that were from 75. I may need to get that. I never knew the cleveland was kicking out 40hp more. Nice. Another buddy has a pro stock Duster that was build by Petty Racing. He is restoring it now. Thanks
@@DragBoss351Cleveland One more story Tim! Back in the 1970's John Lingenfelter swapped a Cleveland and into a Monza he was drag racing at that time. The car was fast, but with the Cleveland, it was pretty unbeatable. A friend and I saw him race, and stopped to talk because it was a Cleveland, and John was a genius, and talked to the fans. He told us that the Cleveland, he had built was more than 70 hp better than his Chevrolet engines, he built at that time. He also was victim of NHRA weight breaks, and told us "NHRA doesn't like me driving a Ford, I guess" ! They kept the penalties up until he switched back to a Chevrolet. But it does illustrate the advantage the Cleveland had at that time.
@@johnsalvaterra1355 Another one for us all to enjoy. Rip John. I wonder if it was the Monza that Glidden raced unsuccessfully the one year in '76 i think. His issues was cam timing Rusty told me. Something like the dampner was slipped or out of wack somehow. Great to hear these stories. Hope you like tonight's vid, me setting up heads, lol.Thanks for sharing.
Happy Turkey day to you all your family. Eat a turkey leg for me!!
Thanks my friend. Glad you got to enjoy some more DBG. Lots up...
That sounds like a great block!
Sitting with new crank and heads. For another build.
Video came out great Tim ! I guess I should have moved the chairs lol. See you soon.
Thanks for watching and contributing to my channel my friend. They show the real deal, they will be coming off soon.
That's an old timer block, lol. That's the block Ford came up with, when the Cleveland blocks got so scarce, and the Windsor blocks couldn't take the beating that the NASCAR boys were throwing at them. Basically, Ford took a Windsor mold, and made a thick webbed, siamese bore Cleveland out of it. That way all the stuff the big boys were already running, would work in those blocks, timing belts, covers, and drive belt stuff. They had gone away from Cleveland front stuff by then, mostly. At the time, say early to mid 80s or so, this was the absolute best "stock" block for a small block Ford you could get. The deck is thicker, too. gave more strength for the head studs. Check for cracking around the cam journals and down to the main webs, IIRC, that was an area to look at. Other than that, they were an excellent block.
That is a great synopsis Elmer. Thanks so much. Can always count on you to add some organization. Yes it is thick in all the right places. More soon.
2:16 Fully counterweight 3.50" steel
It is a nice piece. It was 💰back then.
Cool to see new video Dragboss! Will you be doing a live chat soon? Really enjoyed the live chat you did with Tony Defeo from UTG. Would love to see a video about the 1 year only 429 CJ or SCJ with the 11.3 to 1 370 hp version. Tried to score an Ex-FBI 71 Custom 500 with that special engine. I want to build a tribute car and duplicate that engine but I’m not to sure how to go about it. Anyway, take care and keep the great videos coming!👍👍👍👍
Thanks Mr, Will. May bring back UTG, but as of now. Darin Morgan and special guest 12/3/21 7pm. I may do that , have so many vids and only so much time. I will write it on the list. Lots more in store…🏁👍
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Very cool Dragboss! Looking forward to it all! Thanks, take care 👍👍👍👍
@@MrWill73 hell yeah!
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Hey Dragboss, Thanks for replying! Really appreciate it! Random question. Is it true that the reason for the center of the grille on a Mercury Cyclone being able to tilt forward is so you can swap out the cam without removing the grille? I saw one at Barrett Jackson in FLA in 1/2020 and really liked the Cyclone Spoiler. I have a Gran Torino so I like that Ford body style. Just read an article about the Cyclone Spoiler & thought about the grille. I wanna say I read it somewhere. Thanks again!👍👍👍👍
Your most welcome mr Will. I never heard that before, either way once radiator is removed more than enough room without removing any grille, I would say no. Cool cars for sure
You've got some awesome looking parts there! When assembled, you just know it's gonna make serious hp! Love your videos & I hope you & yours had a great Thanksgiving!❤😎👍
Thanks Robert. I think I have a plan for them, be nice to take that block to 4.125. And and add maybe 220 degree roller with nice C302b and a stick car, 🤔 I think I have something in mind. We had a great one hope the same for you and your family
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Thank you for the first time in a few years, I had a great Thanksgiving meal! When I had my 289 hipo, it had a Crower solid lift with a .538 lift & 320 duration, if I remember correctly. It definitely had a nice lope!
Cool beans Robert. I bet she was a screamer and nasty idle with that duration
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Tim, you are defiantly becoming a Cleveland hoarder - I love it. Fun stuff buddy!!!
Thanks Matt, you can’t take it with you. Enjoy
0:49 Wow. Seen those in the Aussie SVO Ford Motor sport catalogue from 1989 when Mr Sutton was running it. Great to see a seasoned block in the wild....Proof of the death of the Cleveland...it was rough machined on the Windsor tooling in Canada. 1983 Bay-Beah!
It is a solid piece and right on, the transition was made.
Nice Buy Tim !
Oh yeah, great block, and makes me want to build a clevor, hell even a windsor, lol. Great parts that need to be working.
Another great find. I'm seeing peak hp in the 8000 range soon.
Oh yeah Banger some cool parts that need to get used. I think I will make peak around 5900, I’m thinking torque monster, street engine.
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Guess you do have plenty of race engines. Would be cool in that 40.
@@gearbanger57 how about a 69 FB Mustang😉
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Absolutely 👍
See what I can do, so stay tuned my friend
Nice video
Thanks Ken. Fun to make too.
This is awesome!
First On Race Day
Right on and Fastest On Race Day
@@DragBoss351Cleveland Never used that one before. Will add it from now on. Thanks 👍
For only real drivers
@@travislostaglia8861 no phoneys needed.
Nice looking block and crankshaft.
Thanks Joe, some old school stuff, that needs to come alive.
Awesome Tim 👍
Glad you enjoyed it thanks Perry, glad you were into it. way more in store
That intake looks very similar to a holley strip dominator. I ran in 85 with high port heads. Nice score. What did Fred treat the crank with?
Yep that would be the one. He said a spray on graphite. Did a search readily available. John how did the high port engine run in 85?
@@DragBoss351Cleveland .030 over Trw 125 stock rods and crank. Balanced.in 78 pinto 2400lb. C4 and 5:14 rear gear 14x36. 9.85@136.
@@johncarter7630 very cool combo my friend. Hauling back then for sure. Sounds like an old pro stock car