You can Special with the Divine Dragon at the end of the game. Makes the 1st form of the final boss a cakewalk. Also, you're not locked into the final boss room. You can go back to grind & replenish items.
You can indeed leave the final area after getting the divine dragoon spirit. You can even go fight Faust with it. Also just fyi there is a single part of the final fight which is AOE, Melbu Frahme’s 1st form
Through my personal testing on the damages of the spells, I also identified several typos/incorrect listings for the damages. Though I so rarely use Haschel's magic in particular that I really now feel like I should go test them out sometime. However, I will mention that Rose's Astral Drain is a typo in the player's favor. It says 25%, but it actually deals 50%. If you have Dart and Rose at the same Matk and the enemy is not weak/resistant to either Fire or Dark element, then Dart's Flameshot and Rose's Astral Drain will hit for the same damage. And Rose's Death Dimension is 25% the same as Dart's Explosion. Rose's two basic spells deal the same damage as Dart's and just have their bonus effects on top of that, my guess is that this is because Rose's base stats are *slightly* lower than Dart's. This makes Rose's magic scale 'okay' into the midgame but eventually yeah her lower bases do end up hurting her Matk unless you stack +magic items on her. There is just no excuse for how weak Kongol's spells are. Like, seriously. I get that they really should not be anywhere near the top of the damage from spells but they could at least give him something for utility similar Rose Storm. Maybe an attack buff instead since Kongol is all about smashing things. Also, yes, you can Special using the Divine Dragon spirit. I am also pretty sure that DD Ball is 50% and DD Cannon is 150% but I would have to go back and look at testing that again as it has been a long time. Unfortunately, my memory card was wiped recently so I had to start over! :(
I am so glad I found this channel - this is so entertaining. I have no one to talk to about LoD or most of my rpg obsession. Thankful you created a place for us to discuss the classics!
So one more use for White Dragon attack, but requires some work. Once Shana gets her Dragoon, level it up as fast as you can (I literally stash spirit potions up until this point and just keep throwing them on her). The goal is to get her to Level 5 before the boss fight with the 5 ghosts on the ghost ship. Since this fight requires all 5 to die at the same time, this will trivialize the fight. Special with Shana and have her use White Dragon magic attack on them. All of them will die besides the Commander. One Dragoon attack on the Commander later and he's dead too. Boss Battle lasts an entire 2 minutes.
Astral Drain is twice the power of Death Dimension, half the power of Dark Dragon. It's 50% power. Test it if you don't believe me. It should be higher on your own list. Dart can use Divine Special but the final boss is non elemental so it boosts him too and not advisable. DD Cannon can be used 5 times with the MP doubling amulet and MP helm. All dragons can be used 3 times with the same helm and accessory. Dark Dragon and White Silver can OHKO some bosses. See my channel for details, but they're old videos.
Great list. A DMC/AoT dynasty warrior game would be perfect for this format. They could even keep the same story book world map. When I was a kid, I wanted to make a sequel to this game that was basically Legend of the Beast Spirits. Basically digimon season 4 digi armor before it came out in a game style akin to what i described thanks to discovering Dynasty Warriors 3. I remember cheesing lu bu fight the first time he randomly shows up early game. Sorry for the rant. Stay well.
Did anyone else notice that the Dragoon spells that the party have access to our the same spells that the Dragoons from 11,000 years ago had access to, but the enemy dragoons that you fight from the present have entirely different spells. I always thought that was interesting. Also, when you fight Kongol for the last time, he has a very powerful spell/attack that he uses, why doesn’t that transfer over to his dragoon spells, I mean, the poor guy only has two spells.
I was definitely sad to see how quickly the D.Magic attacks fell off for everyone but Meru and Shana. In fact, I'm sad I could play through the game and never use Dragoons at all. Defend was so useful to heal and prevent statuses, even if it delayed the fight a bit. 10% heal is insane! I truly hope a remake so we can get an expanded vision of what they wanted LoD to be. Shana with additions! More D.Magic and a whole renewal this world (and script) deserves.
Depends on how fast you can go through the stages, which most take a decent amount of time especially on a first run through: Phase 1 he has 4 tentacles with his main body Phase 3 he can spawn a row of I think up to 5 units that take anywhere between 1-3 turns to do something - if you can deal enough damage through abuse you can skip these little buggers from mattering And Finale Phase he can spawn two extra minions.
Good video, but some flaws. Darts divine dragoon is actually a lot more busted than you realize. You CAN special with it, and the last boss starts out with 4 tentacles, phase 3 can summon four bomb stars, and stage 4 can summon these weird clawed floating leech looking things. All of those get bodied by divine dragon ball. For a non turbo, casual playthrough, his divine dragon magic attacks are the most powerful out of all of the magic attacks. The only real downside is that they cost 50 mp each, however they easily out damage everyone elses magic attacks, even meru. His red eyed dragon is also better for certain fights that have multiple enemies. Sure, it costs 80 mp, but there are several mandatory, and a few optional boss fights with 3 or even 5 targets. Meaning youd have to final burst 3 times or more times costing you over 90 mp. Everything else is pretty right though. the other 3 dragons suck, all of kongol magic is bad, haschel is mediocre at best and honestly should be a little lower for the simple fact that he cant do double damage to any bosses with it.
@@baronvonslambert The final boss does not have a single insta kill ability in his first phase. He can cast a bunch of high powered magics, and even summon three virages; but none of those are instant deaths. He has no Dragoon Specific spell to deal against the party. Only his Final Form does in the form of Dragon Block.
Rose storm is so busted that I'd daresay a single cast of it is stronger than a single cast of silver dragon, even if you are not thinking about MP cost. Halving dmg done to your party for THREE turns vs dealing heavy dmg to opponents and healing you party. It's close between the two in terms of effects. But the MP difference ofcource makes rose storm far better than any other spell, including silver dragon spell.
I feel like we have a lot of similar tastes in games. Im currently replaying this game but on my phone so it's not as enjoyable. Keep the good tier lists coming (even if I dont always agree with your rankings) 😀
I love a controversial tier list, don’t you? I’m thinking maybe another chrono cross tier list next in honor of the remaster. Or some xenoblade chronicles in honor of xc3!
If The Legend of Dragoon were to ever get remade or whatever, I'd really like to see them expand upon the gameplay and abilities of the Dragoons. Maybe give them their own unique Additions and many more magic abilities. Even lore-wise, really show us why Dragoons are so powerful and deadly opponents. 🥰
Compared to the Cutscenes we see of Dragoons, the Dragoons we get feel nerfed. After a while I stopped using Dragoons at all because my Additions were so powerful and only used the Divine Dragoon for the heck of it.
I agree with all of this except Freezing Ring's and Gates of Heaven's placement. Freezing Ring is just as good if not better than Dart's Flame Shot since it is the same spell with a different element on a faster character with more magic attack. In my opinion, this outweighs the fact that you have to wait until reasonably late in the game to get it. One thing you didn't mention about Gates of Heaven is that it revives fallen party members as if you had used Moonlight or an Angel's Prayer, which can be very useful on heavy aoe fights like Lenus 1 (or 2 sometimes), Lloyd, and Faust (if you're not using Legend Casques). Of course on top of healing the others. I ain't sayin' it's near as good as Rainbow Breath, definitely not, but it is A tier. Favorite JRPG ever, fantastic video
Astral drain should be A tier or at least top of B tier imo. Not because its good, but because its the most useful spell you get access to early in the game. You'd find Astral drain the best spell until Lavitiz gets rose storm, which is pretty late in disk 1.
I wouldn't really compare rose storm and astral drain though. Rose storm is broken yes, and the best spell in the game by far, but it is defensive. Astral drain still remains the best offensive spell for a long time. Early/mid spells that beat Astral drain are: final burst, freezing ring, diamond dust, situationally star children and maybe thunder God/thunder kid is better, all of which you get in disc 2 if you're not grinding. Point is, I agree that Astral drain should be high B or low A because how long it remains the best offensive spell, and outdamaging phsyical attacks too while healing a bit.
HI THERE! There is a mod out there, do not know if it was mentioned in this list, that involves an Upscale on the graphics and let me tell you...If you knew what you were doing; this list would probably look different. Example: Kongol's poor magic stat is null-void since his spells are not 25% - 50% but jump up to 1125% and higher to make his magic on par with everyone else's. And before you ask "Is that necessary!?" Yes....Yes it is. Because this involves a patcher that also enables harder enemies and Hellish bosses that you will NEED to use Dragoons for. It is not even an option like the base game, you WILL need them or you will die. So to give Kongol such a huge base power boost with his magic, he hits as hard as Meru and gets his dragoon even earlier than she does if you do things normally. Or you can give everyone their dragoons right away since the game is that obtusely difficult.
A cutie that talks about my #1 fav game?!? I'm all in! Also, the final boss does have more than one target. Specifically when he calls forth other targets. (Or when he first starts.)
I guess it’s been too long since I’ve beaten the final boss! I did a playthrough recently but never finished the tree because I got stuck farming for legend casque… XD
The final boss has two maybe three phases where there is multiple enemies, the first phase has his tentacles and the I think fourth phase has the orbs of light that detonate if you don’t destroy them
Its great if you cheat in the game by gaining the divine dragoon spirit early since its attacks power especially when combined with power up and or power down is the single strongest attack in the game and one shots many bosses
@@ac833 Grinded so hard that I was able to get Armor of youre as well as the legend casque and two shields, seeing that you can get a third for free. Though I think there was a deminishing return on the shields. Got to love the Wingly capitol for farming, not that late into the game, has access to all the correct cities needed, and decent gold drops. I also used it as a place to farm up my additions and D.Lvls. For me though I went with speed and magic, Mirada/Meru/Dart.
@@trisertricordoh2127 I never used Sharanda in any runs. The lack of additions always turned me off. I may have to run it back though just for a different type of completion
@@ac833 Sharanda using the Psyche X Bomb is so powerful that it get into the thousands if powered up enough, though I've only been able to do that once. Her damage output outside the attack items is a bit weaker, but at least the devs gave her 100 Sp per shot, so she needs one turn to attack Dragoon White dragon, pop an mp pot, shoot, repeat. This was back on the PS1 version as well. I know that Haschel and Meru are the attack party and Sharanda and meru is the magic party. Kongel is the phsycal wall with the HP to boot, but dies to spells. Lavbert is faster than Kongel but slower than Dart, which says things, but has the best defense spell in the game. Rose is faster than Dart but is medicore in everything else. And well Dart, he is pretty much there for the ride, no matter what party you put him in, though in retrospect, never use the two slowest characters with Dart at the same time, I had to defend Dart for way too many turns when I was grinding due to those two.
Not a terrible list. With the right equipment and power up and power down, Blue Sea Dragon can do 9999 damage. It's the second strongest attack in the game actually. I would argue it to be A tier. Haschel even though he doesn't have weaknesses, his magic attacks can be stronger than his additions, In a vacuum, DDS spells are S tier. DD Ball actually has 100% attack power and DD Cannon is 150%. That's like having Violet Dragon's attack power that hits all enemies and a single target attack that does double the damage of Final burst or almost as much damage as the typo in Red-Eyed Dragon's attack power. That makes his spells the most cost effective high damage spells in the game. Dart has two Dragon level spells for only 50 MP. DD Cannon is the strongest attack in the game period. Plus, the addition does double damage. I can hardly get a perfect, but if you do special it's damage is increased by 50%. I wish these things were explained better. You get much better use with the DDS if you use glitches or cheats and you'll see how good the spells are. If every Dragoon is was that strong, the game would be worthy of its name and not Legend of Humans cause that's how obsolete Dragoons are in this game.
Man I really should revisit this game Been watching a few of your vids and loving the lod content! Played when it came out and beat this game. But i was also a preteen so.... Wasn't very good at it. Final party was dark light and divine dragoons. But now... Seeing purple and blue dragoon perks has me considering.
Out of topic.... There are gameshark codes which upon mastery can make everyone (human form) additions score 600% of dmg, Dart's 750% and Lavitz / Albert goes shockingly 900% of dmg... So you wont be needing them Dragoons
I think you did astral drain a little dirty here. It should be at least bottom of A. It's almost always the best thing for Rose to be doing on her dragoon turns. Basically its only worse that D-attack against dark enemies or enemies with really high MDF relative to DF. I think the main issue is less with astral drain and more with Rose herself starting very strong and falling off the further you get into the game. But this is an ability tier list, not a character tier list.
Rose is Definitely your Jegan in the game, she starts strong but she doesn't have much doesn't have many additions, her magic is lackluster compared to your newer Dragoons, and her health is on the lower side. However her Attack and Speed are good and her Additions (once she finally gets them) are fairly easy to do and are powerful. She's more of a Jack of all trades that has a hard time keeping up with the more specialised characters.
Tbh.. flameshot with magic damage and mp stacking can be quite useful for random battles and good damage on bosses. I call an A. Specially when Dart at 4x can get at least 150 with properly equipments and Madness Hero for 5 sp bars with only 2 attacks
My ocd.... All the dragon spells need to be clumped together in bottom tier.... They are all down there group them up! But other than that pretty informative.
So I used cheats to get the divine dragon dragoon spirit instead of the red eyed dragoon spirit and I gotta say very useful early in game. I still missed Loyd in the competition though. dunno how he dodged a divine cannon to the face but he found a way 😂
The game is scripted that nothing you do hits Lloyd in the tournament. As even the most powerful attack item in the game, the Psche X bomnb misses at 250% power.
Pretty much agree with your tierlist. But I want to know which is your favourite animation, dragon and character? Star children and death dimension are 💯💯. And then Demons Gate...not Rose using her hellussy
Favorite character: meru Favorite magic animation: diamond dust Favorite dragoon transformation: shana (NOT Miranda) For comedy, I enjoy rose taking a dump on the party with astral drain.
This list would be a competition of S Tiers between Shana and Meru - Shana has the highest magic stat late game and 2nd highest speed, while Meru has the highest speed and second highest magic attack. If you used both of them and Dart and just abused even the lower power AoE multi magic items; you would break the game into not even being a challenge. Use the high power items and you ultimately trivialize the game.
A bit late to be commenting 😅😅 But i just wanted to precise that as Dart's blood dragon, the sylver dragon has a mistake in its description. It's 75% of her magical potential and not 100% as written in the game. Also all Shana's healing spells cure the body effects but not the mind effects. It's still less effective than Meru's 🌈 but it can also revive your characters... Overall I prefer Shana as healer but Meru is so much more polyvalent. Thanks for the video ! 😘
I honestly feel dart shoulda won the divine dragoon spirit after beating Lloyd in disk 3, but lose the fire dragoon spirit to his dad at the end of disk 3.
What your argument should be: it is not as good as we describe it to be. It is a fairly average to high average jrpg at best: the story is nothing fantastic that hasn't been done before but is solid and very grounded. The characters are not superior but all of them fill in near stereotypical roles and archtypes that allow them to still be familiar and very memorable. The addition system for the physical attacks is a neat experiment even if finicky sometimes with its hit ratio - to keep the player invested compared to many other jrpgs that were just "Press Attack, watch character attack, Move on" The Dragoon Additions were a questionable feature however, yet a solid magical set up that is not unlike anything seen before. The voice acting was subpar even for late PS1 era (as many games had sub par VA in this generation) and the dialogue sometimes got mixed up due to Translation issues; yet many of the character and monster sounds are fairly on point at least during the main portion of the game. Animations were fairly well done, but were nothing spectacular either or ground breaking at the time compared to other rpg releases. The game easily hits a 6.5/10 if not a 7/10 - it is a very solid and enjoyable game but has nothing ground breaking or ultimately anything to make it stand out. It played most of its cards safe rather than revolutionizing. The Addition system could have been revolutionizing if only it had the marketing investments it deserved and did not come out literally around the hype of the Final Fantasy series that stomped it into death due to release dates.
The 25% of Astral Drain is wrong information/translation. It makes double damage than death dimension, what means Astral Drain has 50% dmg And I can´t agree with the divine Dragoon spells. Special power up the spell by 50% and the physical defense of the final boss is higher than the magic defense.
Enemies killed by Demon's Gate don't give you any experience or drops. It's D tier trash. White-Silver Dragon is S tier if you just give Shana/Miranda a Magic Hat. Final boss does have phases that have multiple targets, the one with tentacles comes to mind.
@@DrewUniverse No, you are incorrect. If you use Demon's Gate on the Unique Monsters (Birds, Jars, 00PARTS), or any of the minor, random encounter monsters, you do not get their drops. It's the same as using the Total Vanishing item on them. It does nothing against bosses. I haven't tried it against boss minions. I'll have to check that out.
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You can Special with the Divine Dragon at the end of the game. Makes the 1st form of the final boss a cakewalk. Also, you're not locked into the final boss room. You can go back to grind & replenish items.
This game needs a remake! Instant buy
Agree!
There is a team that 8x upscaled it. if you search LOD upscale you'll find them. it looks amazing!
@@ZenStarwalker they also did a lot of rebalancing didn't they??
I'd buy it twice
white dragon spell also revives any downed party member.
You can indeed leave the final area after getting the divine dragoon spirit. You can even go fight Faust with it. Also just fyi there is a single part of the final fight which is AOE, Melbu Frahme’s 1st form
You can defeat Faust with it? I thought u couldnt come back from the moon after you arrive
Where? When I played the game the Moon was the final area and it was impossible to leave.
You can special with the DD spirit, and you can head back to the town, so DD Ball has some use.
Through my personal testing on the damages of the spells, I also identified several typos/incorrect listings for the damages.
Though I so rarely use Haschel's magic in particular that I really now feel like I should go test them out sometime.
However, I will mention that Rose's Astral Drain is a typo in the player's favor. It says 25%, but it actually deals 50%. If you have Dart and Rose at the same Matk and the enemy is not weak/resistant to either Fire or Dark element, then Dart's Flameshot and Rose's Astral Drain will hit for the same damage. And Rose's Death Dimension is 25% the same as Dart's Explosion. Rose's two basic spells deal the same damage as Dart's and just have their bonus effects on top of that, my guess is that this is because Rose's base stats are *slightly* lower than Dart's.
This makes Rose's magic scale 'okay' into the midgame but eventually yeah her lower bases do end up hurting her Matk unless you stack +magic items on her.
There is just no excuse for how weak Kongol's spells are. Like, seriously. I get that they really should not be anywhere near the top of the damage from spells but they could at least give him something for utility similar Rose Storm. Maybe an attack buff instead since Kongol is all about smashing things.
Also, yes, you can Special using the Divine Dragon spirit. I am also pretty sure that DD Ball is 50% and DD Cannon is 150% but I would have to go back and look at testing that again as it has been a long time. Unfortunately, my memory card was wiped recently so I had to start over! :(
I am so glad I found this channel - this is so entertaining. I have no one to talk to about LoD or most of my rpg obsession. Thankful you created a place for us to discuss the classics!
Well… it’s time to make more dragoon videos, then!
The last boss spams underlings in each and every phase.
Gross.
So one more use for White Dragon attack, but requires some work.
Once Shana gets her Dragoon, level it up as fast as you can (I literally stash spirit potions up until this point and just keep throwing them on her). The goal is to get her to Level 5 before the boss fight with the 5 ghosts on the ghost ship. Since this fight requires all 5 to die at the same time, this will trivialize the fight.
Special with Shana and have her use White Dragon magic attack on them. All of them will die besides the Commander. One Dragoon attack on the Commander later and he's dead too. Boss Battle lasts an entire 2 minutes.
Even better, no need to special if you’re using white dragon. It creates its own special field.
Astral Drain is twice the power of Death Dimension, half the power of Dark Dragon. It's 50% power. Test it if you don't believe me. It should be higher on your own list.
Dart can use Divine Special but the final boss is non elemental so it boosts him too and not advisable. DD Cannon can be used 5 times with the MP doubling amulet and MP helm.
All dragons can be used 3 times with the same helm and accessory. Dark Dragon and White Silver can OHKO some bosses. See my channel for details, but they're old videos.
This is some awesome material. Makes me want to play through this game again - and I probably will when I’ve made more chrono cross content
This is so interesting!
Great list. A DMC/AoT dynasty warrior game would be perfect for this format. They could even keep the same story book world map. When I was a kid, I wanted to make a sequel to this game that was basically Legend of the Beast Spirits. Basically digimon season 4 digi armor before it came out in a game style akin to what i described thanks to discovering Dynasty Warriors 3. I remember cheesing lu bu fight the first time he randomly shows up early game. Sorry for the rant. Stay well.
Did anyone else notice that the Dragoon spells that the party have access to our the same spells that the Dragoons from 11,000 years ago had access to, but the enemy dragoons that you fight from the present have entirely different spells. I always thought that was interesting. Also, when you fight Kongol for the last time, he has a very powerful spell/attack that he uses, why doesn’t that transfer over to his dragoon spells, I mean, the poor guy only has two spells.
I was definitely sad to see how quickly the D.Magic attacks fell off for everyone but Meru and Shana. In fact, I'm sad I could play through the game and never use Dragoons at all. Defend was so useful to heal and prevent statuses, even if it delayed the fight a bit. 10% heal is insane! I truly hope a remake so we can get an expanded vision of what they wanted LoD to be. Shana with additions! More D.Magic and a whole renewal this world (and script) deserves.
The final boss does have multiple targets for a lot of his transformations
Depends on how fast you can go through the stages, which most take a decent amount of time especially on a first run through:
Phase 1 he has 4 tentacles with his main body
Phase 3 he can spawn a row of I think up to 5 units that take anywhere between 1-3 turns to do something - if you can deal enough damage through abuse you can skip these little buggers from mattering
And Finale Phase he can spawn two extra minions.
Good video, but some flaws. Darts divine dragoon is actually a lot more busted than you realize. You CAN special with it, and the last boss starts out with 4 tentacles, phase 3 can summon four bomb stars, and stage 4 can summon these weird clawed floating leech looking things. All of those get bodied by divine dragon ball. For a non turbo, casual playthrough, his divine dragon magic attacks are the most powerful out of all of the magic attacks. The only real downside is that they cost 50 mp each, however they easily out damage everyone elses magic attacks, even meru. His red eyed dragon is also better for certain fights that have multiple enemies. Sure, it costs 80 mp, but there are several mandatory, and a few optional boss fights with 3 or even 5 targets. Meaning youd have to final burst 3 times or more times costing you over 90 mp. Everything else is pretty right though. the other 3 dragons suck, all of kongol magic is bad, haschel is mediocre at best and honestly should be a little lower for the simple fact that he cant do double damage to any bosses with it.
I never knew Blossom/Rose storm was busted never used it
Best in the game!
@@baronvonslambert The final boss does not have a single insta kill ability in his first phase. He can cast a bunch of high powered magics, and even summon three virages; but none of those are instant deaths. He has no Dragoon Specific spell to deal against the party. Only his Final Form does in the form of Dragon Block.
Rose storm is so busted that I'd daresay a single cast of it is stronger than a single cast of silver dragon, even if you are not thinking about MP cost. Halving dmg done to your party for THREE turns vs dealing heavy dmg to opponents and healing you party. It's close between the two in terms of effects. But the MP difference ofcource makes rose storm far better than any other spell, including silver dragon spell.
Awesome tier list. Also, you can special with the Divine Dragon
I feel like we have a lot of similar tastes in games. Im currently replaying this game but on my phone so it's not as enjoyable. Keep the good tier lists coming (even if I dont always agree with your rankings) 😀
I love a controversial tier list, don’t you? I’m thinking maybe another chrono cross tier list next in honor of the remaster. Or some xenoblade chronicles in honor of xc3!
If The Legend of Dragoon were to ever get remade or whatever, I'd really like to see them expand upon the gameplay and abilities of the Dragoons. Maybe give them their own unique Additions and many more magic abilities. Even lore-wise, really show us why Dragoons are so powerful and deadly opponents. 🥰
Compared to the Cutscenes we see of Dragoons, the Dragoons we get feel nerfed. After a while I stopped using Dragoons at all because my Additions were so powerful and only used the Divine Dragoon for the heck of it.
All i want from a remake is a smoother faster way to grind... and maybe an increase to inventory limit.
I agree with all of this except Freezing Ring's and Gates of Heaven's placement. Freezing Ring is just as good if not better than Dart's Flame Shot since it is the same spell with a different element on a faster character with more magic attack. In my opinion, this outweighs the fact that you have to wait until reasonably late in the game to get it. One thing you didn't mention about Gates of Heaven is that it revives fallen party members as if you had used Moonlight or an Angel's Prayer, which can be very useful on heavy aoe fights like Lenus 1 (or 2 sometimes), Lloyd, and Faust (if you're not using Legend Casques). Of course on top of healing the others. I ain't sayin' it's near as good as Rainbow Breath, definitely not, but it is A tier.
Favorite JRPG ever, fantastic video
Astral drain should be A tier or at least top of B tier imo. Not because its good, but because its the most useful spell you get access to early in the game. You'd find Astral drain the best spell until Lavitiz gets rose storm, which is pretty late in disk 1.
I wouldn't really compare rose storm and astral drain though. Rose storm is broken yes, and the best spell in the game by far, but it is defensive. Astral drain still remains the best offensive spell for a long time. Early/mid spells that beat Astral drain are: final burst, freezing ring, diamond dust, situationally star children and maybe thunder God/thunder kid is better, all of which you get in disc 2 if you're not grinding.
Point is, I agree that Astral drain should be high B or low A because how long it remains the best offensive spell, and outdamaging phsyical attacks too while healing a bit.
I've tested Dart's Divine Dragoon form. You can use the special command with that form.
I am way overdue for a Legend of the Dragoon replay
I love how you break it all down to %'s
HI THERE!
There is a mod out there, do not know if it was mentioned in this list, that involves an Upscale on the graphics and let me tell you...If you knew what you were doing; this list would probably look different. Example: Kongol's poor magic stat is null-void since his spells are not 25% - 50% but jump up to 1125% and higher to make his magic on par with everyone else's. And before you ask "Is that necessary!?" Yes....Yes it is. Because this involves a patcher that also enables harder enemies and Hellish bosses that you will NEED to use Dragoons for. It is not even an option like the base game, you WILL need them or you will die. So to give Kongol such a huge base power boost with his magic, he hits as hard as Meru and gets his dragoon even earlier than she does if you do things normally. Or you can give everyone their dragoons right away since the game is that obtusely difficult.
A cutie that talks about my #1 fav game?!? I'm all in! Also, the final boss does have more than one target. Specifically when he calls forth other targets. (Or when he first starts.)
I guess it’s been too long since I’ve beaten the final boss! I did a playthrough recently but never finished the tree because I got stuck farming for legend casque… XD
Oh! And you might like my other channel! UA-cam.com/c/drjake
Idk how many times I've played this one now. And the money grinding is always the longest thing. So that's understandable. 🤣
The final boss has two maybe three phases where there is multiple enemies, the first phase has his tentacles and the I think fourth phase has the orbs of light that detonate if you don’t destroy them
Its great if you cheat in the game by gaining the divine dragoon spirit early since its attacks power especially when combined with power up and or power down is the single strongest attack in the game and one shots many bosses
Every time I play this game I always end up with dart/haschel/meru party. Even though lav/Bert is broken I love the speed
Save up for a phantom shield and Rose/Blossom Storm is no longer needed. Or beat the hidden boss to get on for free.
@@trisertricordoh2127 yeah I always grind so hard everyone's in p shield/legend casque combos
@@ac833 Grinded so hard that I was able to get Armor of youre as well as the legend casque and two shields, seeing that you can get a third for free. Though I think there was a deminishing return on the shields.
Got to love the Wingly capitol for farming, not that late into the game, has access to all the correct cities needed, and decent gold drops. I also used it as a place to farm up my additions and D.Lvls.
For me though I went with speed and magic, Mirada/Meru/Dart.
@@trisertricordoh2127 I never used Sharanda in any runs. The lack of additions always turned me off. I may have to run it back though just for a different type of completion
@@ac833 Sharanda using the Psyche X Bomb is so powerful that it get into the thousands if powered up enough, though I've only been able to do that once. Her damage output outside the attack items is a bit weaker, but at least the devs gave her 100 Sp per shot, so she needs one turn to attack Dragoon White dragon, pop an mp pot, shoot, repeat.
This was back on the PS1 version as well. I know that Haschel and Meru are the attack party and Sharanda and meru is the magic party. Kongel is the phsycal wall with the HP to boot, but dies to spells. Lavbert is faster than Kongel but slower than Dart, which says things, but has the best defense spell in the game. Rose is faster than Dart but is medicore in everything else. And well Dart, he is pretty much there for the ride, no matter what party you put him in, though in retrospect, never use the two slowest characters with Dart at the same time, I had to defend Dart for way too many turns when I was grinding due to those two.
Not a terrible list. With the right equipment and power up and power down, Blue Sea Dragon can do 9999 damage. It's the second strongest attack in the game actually. I would argue it to be A tier. Haschel even though he doesn't have weaknesses, his magic attacks can be stronger than his additions,
In a vacuum, DDS spells are S tier. DD Ball actually has 100% attack power and DD Cannon is 150%. That's like having Violet Dragon's attack power that hits all enemies and a single target attack that does double the damage of Final burst or almost as much damage as the typo in Red-Eyed Dragon's attack power. That makes his spells the most cost effective high damage spells in the game. Dart has two Dragon level spells for only 50 MP. DD Cannon is the strongest attack in the game period.
Plus, the addition does double damage. I can hardly get a perfect, but if you do special it's damage is increased by 50%. I wish these things were explained better. You get much better use with the DDS if you use glitches or cheats and you'll see how good the spells are. If every Dragoon is was that strong, the game would be worthy of its name and not Legend of Humans cause that's how obsolete Dragoons are in this game.
How is damage calculated for their spells? I know it's "X%", but X% of _what,_ exactly?
Is it, like... "X% of (Level x Magic Attack)"?
Man I really should revisit this game
Been watching a few of your vids and loving the lod content!
Played when it came out and beat this game.
But i was also a preteen so.... Wasn't very good at it.
Final party was dark light and divine dragoons.
But now... Seeing purple and blue dragoon perks has me considering.
Well get ready for tomorrow. New tier list with some interesting perspective!
But more importantly, so happy you’re enjoying the videos! Thank you!
Redo this tier list like you did for the characters ❤
Out of topic.... There are gameshark codes which upon mastery can make everyone (human form) additions score 600% of dmg, Dart's 750% and Lavitz / Albert goes shockingly 900% of dmg... So you wont be needing them Dragoons
I think you did astral drain a little dirty here. It should be at least bottom of A. It's almost always the best thing for Rose to be doing on her dragoon turns. Basically its only worse that D-attack against dark enemies or enemies with really high MDF relative to DF.
I think the main issue is less with astral drain and more with Rose herself starting very strong and falling off the further you get into the game. But this is an ability tier list, not a character tier list.
I love this. Proof that it’s definitely my tier list and not the definitive tier list!
Rose is Definitely your Jegan in the game, she starts strong but she doesn't have much doesn't have many additions, her magic is lackluster compared to your newer Dragoons, and her health is on the lower side. However her Attack and Speed are good and her Additions (once she finally gets them) are fairly easy to do and are powerful. She's more of a Jack of all trades that has a hard time keeping up with the more specialised characters.
Red dragon on C (pretty good damage though)
Blue dragon on A (I kinda fond on Meru)
Flameshot on B (sometimes it feels like it is a waste of turn)
Ok maybe blue dragon bottom of A, but red dragon stays in D. Flame shot bottom of A
Tbh.. flameshot with magic damage and mp stacking can be quite useful for random battles and good damage on bosses. I call an A.
Specially when Dart at 4x can get at least 150 with properly equipments and Madness Hero for 5 sp bars with only 2 attacks
Maybe you can do an additions Tere list and see who has the best addition.
Biggest downside of White Dragon: Getting Shana/Miranda to D'Lvl 5 🤣
Also, yes Dart can Special with Divine Dragoon.
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My ocd.... All the dragon spells need to be clumped together in bottom tier.... They are all down there group them up! But other than that pretty informative.
So fun fact there are only 2 light bosses in the game one is entirely a story boss so fighting doesn't help and the other is a solo fight
So I used cheats to get the divine dragon dragoon spirit instead of the red eyed dragoon spirit and I gotta say very useful early in game. I still missed Loyd in the competition though. dunno how he dodged a divine cannon to the face but he found a way 😂
The game is scripted that nothing you do hits Lloyd in the tournament. As even the most powerful attack item in the game, the Psche X bomnb misses at 250% power.
Does the effect of Rose storm stack with phantom shield?
Yes
thanks for this, i love me some legend of dragoon
Pretty much agree with your tierlist. But I want to know which is your favourite animation, dragon and character? Star children and death dimension are 💯💯. And then Demons Gate...not Rose using her hellussy
Favorite character: meru
Favorite magic animation: diamond dust
Favorite dragoon transformation: shana (NOT Miranda)
For comedy, I enjoy rose taking a dump on the party with astral drain.
So, in the original, the liquid Rose dropped was purely red, representing something else. But, America said nope. 🤣
@@tantacles Shana not Miranda? Interesting.. And agree Meru can basically carry the party by herself
@@zecko33995533 how is that better?! 😂😂
can you rank the magical attack consumables? Base them all on the character who would use them best. Curious!!
This list would be a competition of S Tiers between Shana and Meru - Shana has the highest magic stat late game and 2nd highest speed, while Meru has the highest speed and second highest magic attack. If you used both of them and Dart and just abused even the lower power AoE multi magic items; you would break the game into not even being a challenge. Use the high power items and you ultimately trivialize the game.
A bit late to be commenting 😅😅
But i just wanted to precise that as Dart's blood dragon, the sylver dragon has a mistake in its description.
It's 75% of her magical potential and not 100% as written in the game.
Also all Shana's healing spells cure the body effects but not the mind effects. It's still less effective than Meru's 🌈 but it can also revive your characters... Overall I prefer Shana as healer but Meru is so much more polyvalent.
Thanks for the video ! 😘
I honestly feel dart shoulda won the divine dragoon spirit after beating Lloyd in disk 3, but lose the fire dragoon spirit to his dad at the end of disk 3.
I feel like rose should have gotten the dragon buster earlier.
@@tantacles i never thought of that before, but ya that'd be nice for her especially when she only gets it at the same time dart gets DD spirit.
Also - you CAN divine special!
The divine dragoon magics are s tier if you use them from the start of the game
The First phase of the final boss has 5 targets, Melbu, and his 4 tentacles. but yeah, ddb is still kinda bad
Everyone loved Legend of Dragoon - including me! - but we need to acknowledge that it’s not a good game.
NEVER
What your argument should be: it is not as good as we describe it to be. It is a fairly average to high average jrpg at best: the story is nothing fantastic that hasn't been done before but is solid and very grounded. The characters are not superior but all of them fill in near stereotypical roles and archtypes that allow them to still be familiar and very memorable. The addition system for the physical attacks is a neat experiment even if finicky sometimes with its hit ratio - to keep the player invested compared to many other jrpgs that were just "Press Attack, watch character attack, Move on" The Dragoon Additions were a questionable feature however, yet a solid magical set up that is not unlike anything seen before. The voice acting was subpar even for late PS1 era (as many games had sub par VA in this generation) and the dialogue sometimes got mixed up due to Translation issues; yet many of the character and monster sounds are fairly on point at least during the main portion of the game. Animations were fairly well done, but were nothing spectacular either or ground breaking at the time compared to other rpg releases.
The game easily hits a 6.5/10 if not a 7/10 - it is a very solid and enjoyable game but has nothing ground breaking or ultimately anything to make it stand out. It played most of its cards safe rather than revolutionizing. The Addition system could have been revolutionizing if only it had the marketing investments it deserved and did not come out literally around the hype of the Final Fantasy series that stomped it into death due to release dates.
It's among the better jrpgs in its era, and its era was the peak of jrpgs. I do think it's a bit overrated because the beginning is very engaging
The 25% of Astral Drain is wrong information/translation. It makes double damage than death dimension, what means Astral Drain has 50% dmg
And I can´t agree with the divine Dragoon spells. Special power up the spell by 50% and the physical defense of the final boss is higher than the magic defense.
BRB got sucked into the demon gate
rainbow breath is S tier yes, but so is every single shana spell besides her first
Yes u can special his Divine dragon power
Your wrong divine dragon cannon in special is the strongest attack in the game
Must mod. Make Kongols magic scale off his strength.
He would become way over powered
Meru/Dart/Albert is the way to go
The A team
as i recall ALL dragoon magic is pretty garbage in this game even the few spells at endgame from the divine dragoon spirit are trash
I hate Gates of heaven I need to mute my TV every time I use it it’s so loud and it’s like a non stop death whistle
I find it a bit funny that you refuse to say Miranda.
Who?
Enemies killed by Demon's Gate don't give you any experience or drops. It's D tier trash. White-Silver Dragon is S tier if you just give Shana/Miranda a Magic Hat. Final boss does have phases that have multiple targets, the one with tentacles comes to mind.
@@DrewUniverse No, you are incorrect. If you use Demon's Gate on the Unique Monsters (Birds, Jars, 00PARTS), or any of the minor, random encounter monsters, you do not get their drops. It's the same as using the Total Vanishing item on them. It does nothing against bosses. I haven't tried it against boss minions. I'll have to check that out.