James O'Brien: We shouldn't presume ALL politicians are corrupt | LBC
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- James O'Brien reacts to some of the latest developments in Gamblegate - deeming the wagers as 'emotional hedges' and 'small fry'.
James states that if we want to 'restore respect' for politicians, we can't presume that they are 'all corrupt'.
The Gamblegate scandal includes police officers and politicians from multiple parties - and largely centres around predictions on the date of the upcoming election.
One member of Rishi Sunak's close protection team was arrested over an alleged bet made on the date of the election, and has since been bailed.
Six more police officers are now being investigated by the Gambling Commission.
Meanwhile, as many as fifteen Conservatives could be under investigation by the Gambling Commission over alleged bets made on the date of the election, reports suggest.
One Labour candidate, Kevin Craig, bet on himself to lose in the upcoming election. He was immediately suspended by the Labour Party.
Listen to the full show on Global Player: app.af.globalp...
#jamesobrien #tories #labour #gamblegate #generalelection #LBC
LBC is the home of live debate around news and current affairs in the UK.
Join in the conversation and listen at www.lbc.co.uk/
Sign up to LBC’s weekly newsletter here: l-bc.co/signup
You don’t need to presume they are all corrupt … the evidence/facts are literally shoved in your face
Government should be be run like jury service. People that want to be politicians- shouldn't be.
The Tories refer to each other as the righr honourable member. The electorate more realistically think of them as the downright horrible members. James is right though there are people that get elected who really want to serve their electorate. But if they have served within the last 14 years and have not switched, left the party or called out the corruption they have been complicit in the corruption.
All respect should be earned. It's the same premise as 'respect your elders', in reality a lot of them are insufferable and don't deserve it.
Respect is earned and no politicians now days have earned even a tiny bit of it.
The main politicians we have to choose from ARE as bad as each other. Just because you think Kid Starver is better doesn’t mean he is. Just that your judgement is erroneous.
Starmer is not as bad as Sunak or any past Tory PM - he literally hasn't had the chance to be bad so saying he's just as bad as them is silly. Until we've had 14 years of labour scandals and a worsening country it's not really fair to judge an apple tree to rotten oranges.
I don't like Starmer one bit (Corbyn had [more] spine and vision than Starmer could wish for even if he was given a genie with infinite wishes) but let's not pretend he's as bad as the people responsible for leading this country down the drain - THAT would be erroneous judgement.
@@vulture46 I wish to respectfully disagree with you because I think one can see the colour of stuff to come. He is just the puppet for Blair and Murdoch and we know we got the gift of Iraq war from them.
James, it's just wrong. Turning your approach round, surely no honourable MP would wish to do something e.g. betting or investing, that has the slightest dubiety or potential for dubiety about it?
numbers dont lie.
If we were to presume they will all act honourable, why have any rules? Even one rule will give the impression that one/some will act dishonourably. If we have one rule then why not all the rules?
I have a presumption that all the *current Tories* are primarily motivated by self interest. It's not all politicians. Some Labour etc are, too but the trend is definitely towards the CON-servatives.
Yes we should.
Innocent men! Ordinary men! 😂 Enjoyed the reference James.
The problem didn’t start with us showing no respect
But said MP’s showing time an time again they have zero respect for the public
It’s that simple
Reform for me
Blue corruption is bad, but red corruption is okay huh, James? Scab
Only Farage is straight down the line despite the enemy trying to derail him akin to Trump
"straight down the line" you say of the guy who made Brexit promises that never got delivered...
Not for him not trying because of the lefties & Conservatives that didn't want it. Same as Trump with the Rhino's
Trump had the same problem with the Rino's not pushing the policies through!!
You should assume all of them are corrupt and make them prove they are not.
100%
No... trust but verify..
@@SunofYork and what happens when we verify one to be a bad egg? (as has happened so many times with Tory MPs)
@@vulture46 We have a system for criminal acts... Our legal system involves proving someone has done something criminal..... and not proving they are innocent. This Russian-style post is not in accord with Western values
£8000 bet and £500 per hour. This is where it's wrong. I squirm when I put a fiver on my National Lottery account. Meanwhile the husband of the minister for common sense afford an £8k bet ? Some of these guys live on a different planet and the pm is the best example of this. The guy talks about the nhs and state education but uses neither. That's the problem.
Oh to see these people hit rock bottom and I will have absolutely no sympathy at all
@@maryotoole7389 Don't hold your breath. These people will put destroying our country on their CV, and it will set them up for life.
How about we treat all politicians the way they treat us
So assume they're idiots, and pick their pockets when they're not looking?
With contempt.
Generalizations are junkmail
That's fine as long as it's on an individual basis.
Keep your head in the sand @@twittertwice
The days of giving them the benefit of the doubt are in the rearview mirror. I assume they're toe rags until they prove otherwise and I'm right more often than not. This is Johnson's legacy.
Was happening long before Johnson...
This has been happening since the 80s
@@SuperKendoman further back then that.
why not? the tories treat all people on disability and benifits as corrupt and fraudsters? so why not judge them by the same measure stick?
Don’t worry. Come Friday morning, those on disability benefits who have been victim to the Tories over the last 14 years, will finally get a bit of justice.
@@kierandallas4206 Hopefully, it's getting a bit scary when they're looking into bank accounts and hiring private detectives to snoop on claimants. I've got nothing to hide, worked as hard as I could to complete breakdown so many times and now it's hard enough to leave the house, to try and exercise or take the first steps of trying to test yourself with some work experience when you know they could be potentially looking for any evidence to discount your claims. I don't remember when it became normal to worry about stuff like this and after being advised by so many to go for PIP, only to have to jump through their hoops for their assessments and be declined and appealed. It's frightening and my latest PIP review caused so much stress and I'm still worrying now. Forcing me back into work right now would be dangerous. I'm reliant on charities for mental health support and my benefits help keep me mobile & living independently until my situation improves
@@kierandallas4206 Not if Starmer is our PM, they won't.
Philip Davies used to be my MP, he told me at a surgery, with a straight face, that he believed women commited just as many crimes as men and the fact that they are under-represented in prisons was evidence of bias.
He is married to Esther McVey though.
Has he being living under a rock for the last couple of decades. Politicians come across as either extremely incompetent or corrupt. I lead towards the latter.
The presumption of respect for police and politicians was never warranted. They might not all be as corrupt as each other, but corruption is built into their jobs. The only way to restore public respect is to get more respectable people into the jobs by changing the incentive structures and increasing accountability.
I live in a country where ALL politicians are corrupt and there's no prospect of anything improving. Compared to my country, your Brit politicians are saints. You people have real choices, yet for the last 14 years you have chosen to elect governments which have brought your country to its knees.
No out politicians have only legalised their corruption so they can look down on your country. It’s the same bribes.
We USED to believe they were honourable but the past few years especially have disabused us of that foolishness. They have, almost without exception, treated the population with contempt.
That is true
To offer their new solution they need to bring people to their knees
They really, really are. Oh and the mainstream media are no better.
I wholly disagree. Treat every politician as corrupt and due zero respect or benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. For far too long we've accepted the lowest of the low, we need our politicians to be held to a higher standard than the populace, and that starts by making them prove they deserve our respect.
The people who make it to the point of becoming an MP have seen so many other people being filtered out, and those are the people who have the best interests of the country at heart. It's the psychopaths who make it through this process much more so than others.
How often have we heard about what is best for the conservative party? It's never what's best for the country. This is the problem, it's party politics that is one of the biggest issues we face when looking at trying to rehabilitate politics, the entire system encourages prioritising the wrong things.
Spot on
There's more honour among the Post Office Limited Executive...
"Public service comes with respect presumed"- yet sadly, most public services have been starved of funds, are used as political footballs and are poorly paid (let me think... by whom?)
Calling politicians corrupt is actually a bit of an understatement
Why not if MPs haven't tried to stop what as gone on these 4 years then they are just as bad
I think most of them are corrupt.
Grifting is never illegal. It’s all about abusing the system for personal benefit.
"Minister for Common Sense" still kills me
We don't restore respect for politicians, they prove it to us that we can trust them with their actions.
Most of them are though. They don’t see it as corruption but it is.
They are all corrupt.
They have to be...
I agree that not all politicians are corrupt. Just as only a tiny minority of police officers are corrupt. The problem in both is that they refuse to police their own.
Disagree, they both have to play rigged games
Corruption surely there must be a better word than corrupt , BLAIR, MAY , politician , except Reform
Of course they're corrupt. It's in the job description. "As crooked as a politician" is still heard today.
Ask yourselves , " What kind of personalities are attracted to positions of power over people " The most damaged personality traits will be found in abundance in positions of power be it in politics , media , NHS or the police to name a few . Main traits included manipulation , narcissistic behaviour and of course lots and lots of lies !
James O'Brien living in cloud cuckoo land again. Once politics and democratically elected representatives were invented, it gave them power over people and they immediately became corruptible. You telling me that the Greek politicians (i'm talking ancient Greece here) didn't go round accepting favours
Sorry, the last bit should read "…who might those beneficiaries be? Farage? Johnson? Gove? We should be told."
From what we’ve seen from politicians thus far, one can’t help but believe they are all criminal, until proven otherwise!
Are they not supposed to be held to a higher standard than the rest of us?
He could also influence whether he wins or loses though, so yeah he has done something illegal.
Its not up to us to restore faith in politicians. The only way that can happen is when they start being decent honest human beings who work for the people who out them where they are. Unfotunately this will never happen.
Before deciding which MP to vote for based on their policies, meet them somewhere (doorstep canvassing, usually) and have a chat with them.
Then imagine them in a used car showroom trying to sell you one.
If you wouldn’t buy a used car from them, don’t vote for them!
how can we give politicians the same presumption of respect for police when ACAB!
Didnt say that when you were bleating & ranting on about "magic grampa" did you?
Get real James! They are all out for themselves. Wouldn't trust a single one of them!!
I dont have a problem with MP’s betting on themselves to WIN, but betting on yourself to lose gives you an unfair amount of sway in the outcome. If you bet to win, you need to be the best you can be. If you bet to lose you can do nothing, or call all your constituents thick, lazy, workshy layabouts (or worse) and basically guarantee no one will vote for you.
Why not they assume all unemployed are lazy all disabled are lieing 😂😂
Not all as bad as each other, but there's still going to be no positive change.
Footballers and All staff are prohibited from All football bets
They are though. They are all the same. Change is needed
Not all are, the current ones leading are
There is probably a number of syndicates being fed inside information.
Liberal James 😂😂😂😂😂
We don't assume, we know.
Who should we bet to win?
Wrong, they are
Yes they are
Probably we shouldn't - but all we ever hear is the latest example of them being corrupt and claiming "it was within the rules" - which they create - so either a) they are all directly corrupt or b) the honest one are covering up for them / turning a blind eye (which makes them complicit and thus corrupt as well).
If you want respect, you have to earn it: start by making the rules honest, clear, and freely inspectable. Make breaches - even tiny ones - heavily punishable and remove their snouts from the trough. Prove you are honest, and the impression may change. Complain you don't get respect and show no signs of honesty and it won't.
A general rule: You should not bet on an 'event' that you have influence over. If Sunak had bet the house on the Tories ending up with less than 100 MPs, the disastrous Tory election campaign takes on a new meaning. Starmer was right to suspend the Labour candidate.
Agreed reform politicians are not corrupt
@PhilipBaker-sf4yv: No, they're fascists.
The problem is the kind of politician that is corrupt will always exist and will have no qualms whatsoever taking advantage of your presumption of honour.
Vote SNP ... Labour will win. its a given . Obviously. hopefully we can keep them out of Scotland.
Maybe a dull but decent Starmer can play the Atlee role in a post war drama. I can remember my dad's comment at the Atlee era which was 'well we're not going back to what we had before!' Then again Osborne's threat was to 'take Britain back to 1935!!!!'
There is no decent Starmer
Rebuilding a reputation doesn't happen overnight.
The political class has relied on a new face equalling a new reputation. The political class no longer gets that gift and are now claiming it isn't fair to claim they're all are the same.
They need to rebuild their reputations with the public, the public has been granting them far too much credit where none was appropriate.
It's on them.
I think it’s fine to think all politics are corrupt, if that’s your honest view. However, if you do really believe that, then you shouldn’t be voting. I hear this a lot, yet these individuals will still cast a vote for a particular party. Doesn’t make sense at all to me.
All new and existing MP candidates are or were tainted from the word go unless they stand or stood with an intention to press as a priority for electoral reform to proper PR. If they choose to ignore the fact that nearly everything about Westminster is fundamentally flawed by the unfair, dishonest and distorting FPTP electoral system, they choose to disrespect my vote and I choose not to respect them.
We can and we should.
Being permitted to place political bets might depend on whether such a bet would incentivise that politician to loose that election, if the alternative to being elected would be lucrative enough.
Or he or she could have a private lucrative job lined up in secret and act as if his candidacy were still genuine, then cash in and bow out.
So yes, seeing that these cases would be nigh impossible to prove, betting for politicians should be prohibited.
Polotics should be different 100% assume they are corrupt untill they proove other wise might get some better people in polotics 6monthly review on all their activities
Always thought all these top national mp you see on tv etc have been corrupted, think the system they've come through getting them power positions its inevitable, bit different on local level I think
No politician should bet on politics when they are still involved in politics. You shouldn't do anything that can be seen/twisted to bring politics into disrepute.
Do you trust a lawyer?
Trust him for the safety of women?
Yes, everyone does - we just don't like it when the other side's lawyer is better than ours at the job.
And what does women's safety have to do with lawyers here? This is a very confusing nonsequitor...
@@vulture46 because he allowed men in women’s safe spaces
That’s what matters
Ester McVey's husband is a wrongun? But she is such a nice person just like her colleagues.
My issues is that every element of Westminster encourages the temptation corruption. There should be some sort of employment contract MPs have to sign to legally force them to resign if they are proven corrupt
When starmer protected Saville and sunak killed off a bank for his own personal gain I think we can come to the conclusion that they are in fact corrupt
Come on now, how many times do we have to tell you
Saville was just another Johnson lie, it's not true
And even if it was lawering is a taxi rank. You take the next customer, you don't get to choose. Justice for all means justice for the people you don't like.
"we", that's everyone who isn't you @markbradley1015, know the CPS prosecute cases on available evidence. Sunak was doing his job, no matter how distasteful the outcome for the bank concerned. He was in finance - what did you think he was going to do?
You go to "your conclusion" based on 2 examples, we will use our intellects and reason.
I'm all up for the presumption of respect, however, when I have applied this in the past, more than not I have been disappointed within a breathe.
Maybe not James, but I'm sure if we did we would be right more often than wrong. 😂
You're bring optimistically naive. They knew what they were doing at the time that they were doing it
What a splendid car. Ticks every box for me.
Professional sport contracts have a "keep trying" clause. You can't skive if your side is down, because you're essentially a paid entertainer. If a failed candidate bet on himself to lose, he has breached his contract with supporters.
We should presume they are all incompetent..
Maybe not Jimbo but I've found it saves time.
hahaha Wots for dinner ?? Zzzzz
They are though that’s the problem.
Oh yes they are !!!!
They are all corrupt. Probably a few are not.
Cannot knoçk a nail in a knot
Yea they are. Why do you think they do it? Fer da luv?
yes, yes you should
True they are not all bad, because the others are worst than bad.
It shows the state of the current government and the Tory party that there exists such a thing as “minister for common sense”. 😂😂😂Obviously the minister does not extend he ministerial power or mission her husband nor to her party.
I'd be happy for him to win the bet and I live in the nextdoor constituency to Shipley they need a labour MP but will probably go Orange.
Its all about GREED with the politicians
Vote Reform if you desire change 👍
@@AegmogReform are if you made the Conservatives less functional and somehow even nastier
@@Aegmog Of course it'll be just like Trump and clearing the swamp...
They shouldn't be able to make bets period and if that's too hard for them then they shouldn't work in politics !
I would assume there are many honest politicans. That is currently an assumption since I utterly lack evidence to say that as a fact.