How A Snorkel Can Damage Your Vehicle
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- In this one I remove my ARB Safari snorkel from my Toyota FJ Cruiser and tell you all the reasons you may or may not want a snorkel on your 4x4 off road vehicle. A snorkel may be safe for your vehicle if your style of four wheeling leans more in the overlanding direction, but if rock crawling is your idea of fun a snorkel may not be for you.
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But if I take my snorkel off, no one will believe my street only lifted truck on 37s is actually a hard-core overlanding rock crawling dune jumping river fording full bodied Tennessee hill killer.
Same
What he said
Yeah.
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Fun fact snorkels were originally designed for dust conditions as dust down low to the ground is more dense than dust up by your roof.
I totally hear that you're not anti-snorkel. But looking at some of the trails and rock crawling you do. I think you would have damaged all those fenders/panels if the snorkel wasn't on there anyway. it might have saved more damage than it created. Just a thought.
I agree; I suspect it probably saved more damage than it caused by being squishier than the metal body panels. The biggest benefit of snorkels is indeed keeping dust out of the engine, with deep water crossings being a secondary consideration, but as someone who has drowned his 4x4, I don't recommend discounting that benefit!
Just saw the other side panel, you might be in to something 😂
The biggest benefit of a snorkel is getting cleaner air on dusty trails and not for water crossings .
Exactly!
That's only true if you are the first vehicle. If you wheel with others as you should it has no benefit
@@williammortensen1889 only if u drive dead close to the person in-front of you. and in high dust areas you should not drive in the persons dust cloud thats in front of you in case they stop and u run into them. so if you are driving in a safe manner no matter if there are 20 guys a snorkel will always get you cleaner air into your engine
@@cordellej apparently your idea of wheeling and mine are different. If your not locked in Low then your not wheeling, your driving down a dirt road.
"Cleaner air" lol. The first time you stop/get stuck
( and you will stop and get stuck ) then no more clean air and boom dust cloud caught up to your snorkel in most cases😉👍. Cool video😎.
youre gonna have the craziest rig soon, cant wait to see the build
Great video! Save the fenders and maybe hang them up in the garage. When your channel hits it big someday it will be cool to look back on the two front fenders that started it all!
Clicked on this video thinking it may be something about casing a lean condition, or debris ingestion, etc. Saw it pertains to body damage…. Not a straight panel on my off-road rig anyway, so we’re good 👍
This Chanel should have so many more subs! You wheel hard and know your stuff.
Seriously
Thanks for supporting the channel!
+1 for a great channel.
You sir deserve more subs for your content, looking forward for your build.
Thank you! I appreciate your support!
Super interesting perspective. I totally get it. Doubt I'll ever need to remove a snorkel. You do go hard. Great vid.
Thanks! Been debating whether or not I want to install a snorkel. I think I have my decision now. Cheers.
Awsome information and not every one is in the same situation as you. All your doing is adjusting to the situation you are in. I'm sure when thr new set up is done you will slap that snorkel back on.
Yeah we'll just have to see what works! Thanks for watching!
I put my snorkel on 12 years ago, im here to see your removal to refresh my memory. i need to replace my windshield and safelite told me i have to remove the snorkel and the Light bar...
Drove the Devils Racetrack in our GX after seeing your video! GREAT trail!
Oh yeah that's an awesome hidden gem of a trail!
Thanks for the FJ videos! Great stuff, taught me a alot! Shout out to Metal tech 4x4!
I’m in the South Island of New Zealand and can’t go off roading here without a snorkel, a lot of our trails have deep rivers and alot of watery mud bogs iv seen quite a few people drown their truck thinking they can go threw a deep river without a snorkel lol so for me the snorkel stays 😁
I see your learning the difference between a “trail rig” and a “crawler”.. good luck with the crawler conversion can’t wait to see it.
That's a good way to categorize them!
We went with a snorkel cause here in the Texas Panhandle area with dust and dirt get to be crazy and it helps keep the filter cleaner. Also had a friend recommend to turn the intake around backwards it helps reduce it even more. Backwards it also helps with you get a really heavy wet snow so it doesn't clog up as easily. Now If I was stirring up a lot of my own dust then it turned forward would be better.
I kind of prefer the River Raider snorkel over the long fender mount. But I really don’t need a snorkel for the driving I do so I’ll just keep it stock. I can’t wait to see the finished rig. Those 42” are going to look crazy.
I've eyed the river raider a few times...
Agree with you. Thought about adding a Snorkel for the cleaner air in dusty environments but concerned the Snorkel especially on the pillar getting snagged on branches since I drive more forest roads than desert
There are specific snorkel head socks for dusty environments. Where I live, water crossings are a regular feature to off-roading, bonnet and windscreen depth is fairly common. I’d never run a 4x4 in New Zealand without a snorkel. Unless she was a street queen!
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Thanks for your educational videos
Thanks for watching!
Even tho I have the arb snokel on mine.. I would say the snokel is more for touring then rock crawling.. tho that does give me piece of mind that arb did there homework when building the snokel and using the right materials. I have one on my tacoma for 10 years now and still looks the same as the day I put it on..
It's a quality product no doubt!
Super buen video y explicacion. Gracias por el tremendo aporte. Saludos
Def can see both sides of this , I ripped out my fender flares and then went mudding , needless to say had a shit ton of mud in the intake, so I got a snorkel , but it does get caught on everything pretty crazy , something ya don’t think about when doing this mod
Back in my Baja bug days, we used to run a Donalson dirt filter and even on the Baja 1000 racecars.
Snorkels are cool and a classic to over landers will get a snorkel on mine for sure
I have a Nissan frontier and I just put a snorkel on not for water but for dust and gravel, I opened up my air box and found gravel! some how rocks got into my intake box through my wheel well. I said hell no and bought a snorkel to close off that whole system.
Also I do offroad quite a bit but I'm not looking for trouble its more of just getting over a obstacle from A to B say an rough hunting trail.
Will you be trying busywild again once you get the build finished? I think that was my favorite ever trail vid from you, and a comparison would be nice!
Yup I'll be back on Busywild. I expect that it'll be difficult but not as crazy impossible. 😄
Hauk Off-Road offers a snorkel with a unique design that doesn't come the side of the fender but rather right behind the hood. I don't know if they have one for the FJ though.
Hi Ken thanks for telling us your opinion about snorkels, by chance did you ever do a diff breather relocation kit. Can you please comment on maybe your opinions about them if it is really worth it and or necessary to do that type of a mod. Thanks in advance and Happy trails sir!
Yeah that was one of my early videos:
ua-cam.com/video/ar-hl6eWkNI/v-deo.html
Thanks for watching!
My question is when you submerge your vehicle in the water, did the temperature change at all?
Have you every considered a cowl air intake? I've seen it done on a couple of jeeps.
yea, I have a arb snorkel i have never put on.
I live in a very wet rainy muddy environment, plus volcanic dust. I still have really not had a use for it. I am going to put the scubba kit on for water crossing; but, basically if I ever cross something deep enophe to need the snorkel, I got way bigger problems before the water getting in the engine is a concern. damage is being done somewhere else (e.g. electrical systems, etc).
still might someday, and I was waiting to raptor line the entire FJ first and add bumpers.
I have debated putting a low profile mushroom type snorkel on the hoodd corner . that would cover 90% of water crossings anyway.
Just wondering what you're going to do with the snorkel toppers like your Halloween topper? I am interested in them if you are thinking about getting rid of them. As always love your channel upgrades and wheeling videos
Now there's a real dilemma! 😄 I might need a snorkel just so I can have my pumpkin head in October! 🤔
Right hahahahah. I mean if I didn't have a snorkel I might just install one for that
Wouldn’t rock rails implemented to a new bull bar help your cause and keeping your snorkel and saving the heart ache?
I’ve seen a couple of your vids. Your def having fun with YOUR vehicle. I’ve seen some damage on your rig. Maybe in lieu of a snorkel maybe some body armor is more in your alley
Some of the trails here pretty much require that I run a snorkel, to the point that my electronics are all waterproofed and my exhaust is also extended up past my tub, but then again, the roads like to flood here and my road washes out about 4 or 5 times a year
A snorkel would be a good idea for you then for sure!
Cheers 🍻,, and interesting very perspective 👍.
I've pondered adding one. But honestly I don't think I really need it. I do like the inhanced air quality/filtration, but.
Two detracting factors for me,, 🤣 water crossings in the desert S.W. are very rare and aftermarket goodies for my vehicle
(Mitsubishi Montero Sport) in the States is almost non existent.
So I think my decision is obvious 👌.
Safe travels, G. In beautiful Boulder City Nv. USA 🇺🇸
Snorkels are common in my region. But it’s because there is lots of river and water crossings. Worth while if your doing a lot of water crossing.
I run a Sy-Klone precleaner on my GX and my airfilter always looks new.
Yeah I've considered one of those. I would hate to smash one on some rocks though.
Great video. I think you mastered the ability to offend no one. Your videos are some of the best on UA-cam
I don't know... Talking about snorkels seems to be pretty taboo. 😄 Thank you!
but but but.... Annual Pumpkin Snorkel Head season the whole month of October! ~ NyNomad, the OG pumpkin head
The best part of having a snorkel is the pumpkin head in October!
Yes, the snorkel dilemma..I installed mine for dust control and yes, the ebay $100 snorkel can hold the weight of my fj. Luckily it wasn't on it enough to push my sheet metal, it was more of a gentle lean, i was able to back off. Your gonna have one heck of a project. I've only sat in my garage, staring at my fj thinking "hmmm, 1ton axel " but that's as far as I've gone. Lol
Yeah I'm going to be in way over my head! 🤪😂
You also have dryer conditions west of the Mississippi. Out East here, we have lots of water crossings.
If you're cruising water frequently I'd definitely recommend a snorkel!
True that. If you have water to cross in AZ, it's prolly a flash flood you really don't wanna mess with!
@@AZsmoothrider don't want to be anywhere near a flash flood!
Had one on my 80 series Land Cruiser. Never again, they do keep the air filter cleaner but they are not worth it IMOP.
hello, do you encounter a problem such as wetting the air filter, does water go to the air box in heavy rain?
I never had any of those issues.
What's your thoughts on a Cowl induction snorkel? would not have it intruding outside the body and would be cleaner air still.
I think that would be an improvement. 👍
Not sure how much up travel you’re looking for with the new SAS but you may not have enough room for the snorkel due to the tire flexing up into the fender area. Just a thought. Excited to see the new path for the build.
Exactly. I just don't know yet.
With 35s on my tacoma and little to no fender liner, i basically NEED a snorkel otherwise my intake is in the wheel well. Not even for water crossings but for wet/snowy/dusty roads
Nothing wrong with a snorkel for most people. I need to do some intake relocating myself as I also have no fender liner.
Been running a snorkel for years I keep a electric chainsaw and a electric clipper to deal with hangups
If I install bullbars, someone said I should install snorkel too because front bumper removed and air intake more exposed to water? Is it true? Help me I am a newbie 😄
Installing an aftermarket front bumper does not have any impact on the intake. The intake on the FJ is tucked up inside the RF wheel well.
I would have attached some brushguards, they fit onto the rock sliders. Check out the Australian mods.
I'll see what I can come up with. ARB makes some for the FJ, but requires the use of their rock sliders which aren't great. I'll have to build some myself. 👍
That’s why you instal some large fenders.. to protect your body and snorkel.
So honest question, would you have still smacked your fender if the snorkel wasn't there?
I'm some cases yes, in others no. I've had the snorkel head contact things before which caused the slight damage to the A pillar. That definitely wouldn't have happened without a snorkel.
I have heard that snorkels don't allow enough air for the engine at highway speeds. What do you think?
I don't think that's an issue. If it was a real problem, everyone would be getting lean code check engine lights.
@@offroadhub.official That makes sense. Thanks for your reply. 👍👍
don't you think removing the fender flares allowed the damage to happen cuz now there is nothing there protecting your fender i have a snorkel on my fj since 2014 no damage to my fender & I wheel harder then most
I actually decided to remove the flares after one was ripped off and did nothing to protect the fender. I'm not saying that having a snorkel will damage your FJ, just that it can, if you hit the snorkel.
Man has never been to Australia you need everything you can get to survive down here 😂
Ewww more sculpture material coming up! Hi Ken, what a testimonial for ARB on the strength and durability of their product! I too was impressed that once removed was intact. Just thinking about a video on your trailer update. Is your trailer wide enough to accommodate the build?
As always thanks for the share/content.
Sculpture material! 😄 Yeah I bought a new wider trailer. 8.5x16, 5200lb axles.
Why not use a slimmer snorkel?
[1:10] I don't think the dust will find its way using the OEM intake easily, probably if you did the test again with the OEM air intake the results will likely be the same.
The factory intake is directly above the passenger side front tire.
Well if you installed the snorkel right and did your breathers for diffs and stuff the snorkel should protect from water coming straight Into the air box not stop water intrusion, and to stop my snorkel from banging up the vehicle I drove more carefully on that side
Detroit Flooded we need these things on every single car
Si tu tuvieses un Mercedes Sprinter 4x4, vives en ella para viajar por todo el mundo, la tendrias que cuidar mucho, no le harias muchas cosa rudas, porque quieres que dure mucho tiempo. Mi pregunta: Le pondrías un Snorkel o la dejarias Original.
Snorkels aren't a problem for serious 4 wheel driving but not having scrub bars is
you thought about some sort of half cage at least (interior or exo) to keep you and your rig protected as it becomes more capable?
I've thought a lot about it. Probably next winter's project... 👍
Someone needs to make a low profile snorkel. Hides in fender until it comes up the pillar
What about getting those bars that connect the bull bar to the sliders protecting the fender? Idk their name but I see them on Australian rigs.
I've seen those. Maybe I'll look into those at some point.
They’re called brush bars. Though they are used for rock areas as well. There are different styles you can use depending on what type of off-roading your into. They would of definitely helped in the situation you showed in that creek you were in. Pros less panel damage. Cons vehicle is now slightly wider plus the added weight. So tight tracks a bit harder to traverse. If your touring ( I think you guys call it over landing. Correct me if I’m wrong ) then fuel consumption goes up due to added weight and more wind drag. They are well worth it though if your into those hard tracks.
@@rossrhodes1963 thanks for your insights!
Surely whatever hit the snorkel to cause the damage, would have just hit the fender had the snorkel not been there, there's no snorkel on the other side but you have it pretty well bashed in anyway
Here in the forests of Canada, dust is not a big issue. Unlike you, I am a snorkel cynic.
In nearly 50 years of off roading recreationally and as a professional prospector on 3 continents, I've only ever floated a truck down a river twice. And they were stock trucks and they kept running.
I love to ask truck owners with snorkels, how long does it take for the carpets to dry out. None have ever had an answer.
I see understand what you're saying. Snorkel or no snorkel, whatever makes you happy.
WOW how do you keep mirrors on your truck?
I don't always! 😆
So the build should be totally done next week right? ;-)
Anything is possible. Except for that. 😄
The door damage thing seems to be a pretty poor design factor on Safaris behalf on this model, or is there more to it?
Not really a design flaw. You just should avoid hitting the snorkel on trees and rocks. 😄
So thats the only down part? Damage the body, nothing bad for engine long term?
No, definitely no engine damage from a properly installed snorkel.
Does the snorkel help with gas mileage at all? Thinking of adding it to my Toyota Tacoma.
No, the snorkel does not improve gas mileage.
@@offroadhub.official I have heard mixed replies, even google stated they improve maybe 1 mpg by adding it.
@@bradleysmith7265 if it improves mileage, it must be a miniscule change. I wouldn't consider it as a factor in your decision to get a snorkel or not.
@@offroadhub.official that's a good point! Any advice or tips on anything I can add to improve my gas mileage?
Nice.
You do know they make different tops for them right so they don't suck water or dirt
Yes. The other tops are even more fragile though. I never had any problem with mine sucking in water or dirt.
Great video. Won't an extended fender stick out as far as the snorkel? With a wide fender or not you would have still drug it
on that mud wall.
I'm not installing any extended fenders. The tires will stick out much further with the upcoming setup.
I need one for my Miata
the clip of the snorkel just shoveling in dirt lol
I have a question sir so snorkel work or not I want to put it on my Zr2 but now I’m not sure 🤔
A snorkel CAN be helpful. But do you NEED a snorkel? It's really just a personal choice...
@@offroadhub.official if I’m honest looks good for style but idk it really help or is just for show that’s why I ask sir
@@xxkaiserxx2505 do you drive through extreme dust, or deep water? In that case, a snorkel serves a purpose. Otherwise it's for looks.
@@offroadhub.official I lived in aspen Colorado is not really dusty is just more snow
Does snorkel increase fuel efficiency
It didn't for me.
Thank you for sharing this! Awesome insights on use case for the snorkel and where it isnt appropriate. Maybe dont smack the truck off the rocks...😉
Well I usually try to miss the rocks... 😄
Personally I believe a Truck especially one that's used for fun and or is quite old and been well used should look like well.. A truck. A little beaten here and there only means that truck has experience.. I kinda like the look of a truck looking a little weathered.
This is where I am going to disagree. I have already hit one tree with my snorkel and it did require that I replace the fender. But I have also been windshield wiper deep in water a few times. The damage from the tree pales in comparison to the damage my engine would have taken sucking in water. The upsides still outweigh the downsides for me.
I don't think we disagree. I made the point that if a snorkel saves your engine from water just once, it was worth having. 👍
@@offroadhub.official Looks like I will need to watch the whole thing again! I am viewing on mobile as opposed to my usual TV app.
With “all the hard wheelin” you, I’m surprised you dont have side rails from the bull bar to the sliders...
I've considered it. It's just a matter of supporting tubing out in front of the fender. It would require a pretty long stretch of tubing that doesn't have anything behind it, so it may not be very strong.
Also do you have to tune your car when you put on a snorkel?
No tuning required for a snorkel!
@@offroadhub.official nice but can I have your snorkel 🤣
@@israelliftz I don't know what I'm doing with it yet.
@@offroadhub.official give it to me :)))))) just keep me in mind love the videos amazing rig
What tires? Beautiful vehicle!
Thanks! 42" irocks
It actually looked like your snorkel protected your fender compared to the other fender LOL not a great point you made and if you're worried about body damage don't wheel it so hard then
So here's another funny thing. A guy (me) walks into a Toyota dealer parts store, after watching Ken bend several tie rods. I order a inter and outers tie rod for a spare. I go to pick them up. And he hands me 2 outers. I had to explain what the difference is between inter and outers. At the dealership!! All you can do is laugh. So let us see if they get it right this time.
Wow that's suprisingly bad... Hopefully they figured it out!
Can I have your snorkel floods allot in south Texas
The 9th viewer.. been looking forward to the videos
Wait, why not use a stainless steel snorkel? They take up less room on the fender and can take huge hits on the trail... Plus they sound awesome.
I'm always open to me possibilities! 👍
@@offroadhub.official Worth a look, not sure if they sell them commonly in the US but they are super common here in Australia.
Well this whole snorkel thing sucks! 😁 hopefully the new drivetrain helps with limiting body damage some.
Once A pillar is dented car is considered totalled by insurance standards
It'll also be "totaled" after I cut all the suspension mounts off the frame.
No way I'd remove my snorkel, I'd probably just find better lines. Rarely do I hit things while driving but I'm constantly in dusty environments. I feel like a snorkel takes priority over the convenience of running into things.
It seems that the design for the FJ could be better. Why not design it to insert in the fender earlier and then run down to where it goes into the engine bay. At this point, this seems non-sensicle. The damage is already there. Just chalk it as trail rash.
It’s possible to fit a Cone prefilter, on top of the snorkel, giving you a nice flutter when off the gas. These are the same as you would fit to a JDM CAR or a anything that you put a cold air intake on, they sound good, give the turbo extra air and many people run them on pipes in the roll bars in their trophy trucks or side by sides etc.
I’ve fitted on as my main filter to many a JDM performance turbo and seen a benefit. (Eg WRX, Skyline GTS-TT, R33 GTR. Even to a Mazda Familia/323 GTX-R 1.8 inline 4 Turbo boosting almost 25psi)
Are you gonna sell those snorkel?
Not yet. I might put it back on someday.
That drag against the side hill.. your fender would have looked way worse
Probably true. With my tires sticking out as far as they will be, that probably wouldn't be as bad.
So you damage both front fenders but remove the snorkel because with damages your vehicle. Makes total sense.
I wouldn't have a damaged A pillar without a snorkel. I'm not saying snorkels are bad... Just maybe not for me. I might put it back on someday. 🤷
Lol stop hitting stuff , but if you are not doing a lot of water crossings or deep holes , it's not needed but it does keep alot of dust out being higher up