WHY I went PLASTIC over STAINLESS Snorkel on my 4WD
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
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Today is the day a lot of you have been waiting for, its the day to finally get a snorkel on the 1HDT!
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:01:53 - The Install!
0:02:40 - Why I went plastic.
0:03:59 - Ram Head vs Backwards snorkel
0:04:48 - Water Ingress
0:05:29 - Drilling the HOLE!
0:06:13 - The Look
0:07:54 - Attaching the Snorkel!
0:09:22 - Performance
0:11:17- Induction Sounds!
0:13:59- Strength
0:15:06- Another Option?
0:15:56- Sound on the road
0:16:25- Conclusion
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What would have you gone, PLASTIC OR STAINLESS?? Let us know!! 👇👇
I will never go stainless again I had one the rain come on and the air box I got made didn't have any grain set up and I was sucking in water
I'm going basic plastic to Patrick. There for a purpose. Not posing. Cheers mate.
Plastic. Purpose not posing. Cheers guys. 🍻
I noticed she's not as sooty it's breathing better
Definitely plastic. Same reasons too. Just added one to my gu patrol and found out hard to get hold of too.
I always had the same concern getting a stainless snorkel you would get rain/snow/crap down it. I've run a stainless snorkel on the nav for a bit over 2 years and the first 6 months or so I would put a plastic bag over the snorkel head during heavy storms out of concern haha but then didn't do it a couple of times and checked airbox after and was all good and I've never worried about it since and never ever seen any water/mud etc in the airbox, few leaves before from smashing through thick jungle that got sucked in, but obviously never went past the air filter itself.
You hear bad stories about people getting water down their stainless snorkel and wrecking an engine but I've tried as hard as I can and had the nav in every possible weather condition multiple times and yet to see any water down there. The only time I ever got water in the airbox was on the previous 4wd with a plastic forward facing snorkel driving down the highway for an hour in pouring rain and the filter and airbox were all wet when I pulled up.
My main annoyance with the stainless snorkel is they are f**king loud right next to your ear when the window is down and they are on the drivers side haha (I also have a custom stainless airbox which makes it noiser again). But I personally prefer the looks of them and they are also stronger, eg smashing into a bank they hold up whereas a plastic one wont (depending how hard you hit). I smashed my side into a bank so hard that the inner guard cracked but the snorkel was fine and saved it from more damage 😂
I've gone a stainless again on the patrol because of the above two reasons and the patrol has an airbox on the passenger side so it wont be noisy in my ear when I put the window down 😁
Sorry for the novel haha that's just my personal experience and I think both are great and have pro's and con's, the plastic one looks good on the cruiser and should be perfect for you 👌
Ps everyone needs to definitely make sure their airbox is properly sealed too when doing deep water crossings, seen it happen many times on the tracks. People think they are good cause the shop put a snorkel on but the factory airbox isn't properly sealed and they get a heap of water down their engine anyway
I was referring to you when I spoke about people having a tough stainless snorkel that can protect panels , your snorkel has taken a beating !!
Why does the material it's made from change how much water/debris goes in it?
@@MattBrownbill It's more the way that they are designed, staino's normally face up and backwards compared to the plastic ones which normally face forward and slightly downwards.
@@wildfish2190 The number of people that can't figure out they can turn the head of most plastic snorkels to face backwards is mind boggling 😂
@@gqwarrior6694 true that
It's your 4x4 so do your thing. The Safari snorkel matches the front and rear bars and the roof rack and sets the 80 off nicely.
Thanks Graham! Well that's it, and thanks :)
K&N filters improve the sound a lot.
You and I have the same philosophy when it comes to 4WD mods. I like them to be a much reversible as possible, and if not, for them to look as much OEM as possible. And I think the Safari snorkel is one good looking piece of kit. It really suits the 80 Series. It's what'll put on my 80, when I decide it's time to fit one. Well done boys. 👍
Good choice on plastic, especially for an older vehicle like yours. I have dragged mine against obstacles without damage. I think you will find it plenty strong for almost all needs.
Great video. I ran a safari snorkel on my disco 2 then stuck with plastic for my disco 3. They're ideal for over here in the UK. In the summer have it facing forward then turn it around in the winter to help prevent all the road spray and rocksalt from being sucked in as much
Great choice, I've have a Safari on my Disco for 15 years and it still looks great. I now run a Cyclone head to help in dusty situations.
I have a similar snorkel on my paj, having the ram head is handy, I keep it forward on the road under normal conditions, and face it in towards the windscreen to stop mud and dust blowing in as much offroad
All very valid points lads. I think it suits that car's style. I personally run a staino mainly for the looks but it also sounds cool. Mine has a rain deflecter loover in the end to prevent water ingress and haven't had any issues.
When you do your diff breathers, use the original steel breather barbs & push a bit of hose over them & push the stiff plastic breather hose into that rubber hose. Those little plastic clip in breather fittings that come in the kit don't last when fitted to diffs. Vibration, sticks & dirt kills them quick & they can leak in water.
Another great clip very informative with the info I needed to make my choice had safari in the past and highly recommend them and I also dig the factory look even though the stainless may be tougher and less restriction on the bends ,keep up the great work /vids fellas 👍
Had my Safari on my 105 Land abuser for 10+ years still looks good lived outside all year round in SA so heaps of sun and heat and with the Garret turbo sounds awesome 😎
Had a navara come into work, was running like absolute crap, engine light on as well, plugged the computer in and it showed airflow sensor had a fault. Considering the car has only 35k on the clock, a fault was a bit suss. Popped the air filter top off and it was 1/2 full of water and the filter was dripping wet!! The stainless snorkel opening must have been facing towards the wind the night before and it rained pretty much most of the night. The air box had also been plugged up for water crossings so removed the plugged, new filter and somehow no damage done to the motor! Told the owner to make some removable type bungs for the air box and keep them in the glove box for river crossings. Safari is the best choice for sure.
I’ve still got the factory safari original one they put on back in the day, still perfect colour no fading! Can hear it dose, even more so now with a airbox and a intercooler with the tune it makes some induction noise but only some times which is perfect not annoying at all!
My thoughts exactly as well!! I've been waiting for the snorkel install for ages and I knew you'd go the plastic haha. Nothing wrong with a staino at all either way you go there is no wrong decision!! I love the old school look and the cruiser has come along so far its looking so good mate!! Now you just need some indicator lights for that bullbar 😂 Another great video boys keep killing it 🤘
Thanks Joe!! really appreciate it mate! yeah i love the way it turned out! really happy with it! Thanks Joe!
Way to go! I did exactly the same on my 80 many years ago and wouldn't change it 👍 PS: now you just need to match it with a Safari FMI - My 1HD-T loves it :)
Plastic snorkels are such a classic and I'd prefer that tough and old look. Stainless suit newer and more modern vehicles in my opinion. I'd still take the plastic over stainless any day.
Same love, the classic look he has gone for....and fuck me thats way bigger than the original safari snorkel
Great work guys. Plastic is the go. I'm surprised that nothing in the comments suggest that the inlet can easily be rotated 180 degrease and achieve the best of both worlds. I've been doing this for many years in dusty or wet conditions. Got an old 80 , spent the best part of 2months in the cape this year and the air filter came out sweet. Cheers!
Well that’s never gunna fly on Instagram! 😂
Well done mate, can’t go wrong with Safari👍🏻
Great episode! Helped me make my decision to go with the plastic! Thanks!
Congrats on the sponsor from fulcrum that’s good to see
I also have more of a touring rig so the plastic was the way to go to save on weight as well, 4wds get heavey with mods so even a couple kg here and there helps, once i upgraded my air filter to the ryco performance foam filter i got more induction noise and basicly no dust past the filter defiantly worth doing to
Had a 3.5inch snorkel on my isuzu bighorn, facing straight up. The factory airbox had a 1way rubber valve that would drain the water out. Never had any issues after a big rain storm.
If your worried about dust you could get the spinner head for them and I know they are effective. Also I think the ram head will let water in in heavy rain driving. I have had heavy rain stop my hzj75 with a spinner head on the snorkel and fill the air filter. Keep up the vids 👍🏼
Looks good. Ive got a staino snorkel power coated black n i love the look n induction noise. I think safari deffs makes the best plastic snorkel when it comes to looks and performance 👌🏼
I have a plastic on my 80, I think it looks better and more stock.
Most Stainless look home made like someone put it together with some old pipes they had laying around.
There's a few lips/catch points to gather any water that gets down a Safari Snorkel, and then the black plastic material is a good option for absorbing a bit of heat, to evaporate any water collected in the snorkel, while the car is parked. End result is if any water does get down it, it can evaporate while you're parked. A good, simple design.
Centre punch is your friend for the Safari Install. Just make sure to disconnect the battery before using it on the pillar.
I like the look of the Safari snorkels over the stainless pipe . For me stainless pipe was cheap and easy to knock up in the shed in a couple of hours and that was the attraction in the beginning , the cost not performance
btw you can get a sock to put over the ram head when driving behind a convoy of 4wd on a dusty road if your worried about geting dust down the ram head ...but Awesome stuff and very informative and a lot of good points for a plastic snorkel .. and yep ive got a plastic Safari Snorkel as well never looked back its been awesome for the win :) .. big thumbs up
he can also turn the head around, plastic snorkels are the go
@@Daniel-cc6oy yep true m8 👍
Cheers guys lot of good info.
When drilling, please use a centre punch. It stops your drill bit walking.
I have a 79 series. They come OME with a snorkel. They are shit! Replaced with ARB Airtech. All bolts lined up, conversion took 20 minutes. A lot quieter than OME .that means a lot when doing 1200km in a day, 79’s are noisy enough already!
i bought the $120 ocam snorkel, been puttimg it off fitting it, after seeing your video, i change my mind and safari is the go. great video.
I would have chosen the Safari Snorkel too. Your 80 is starting to look the biz. Great work fellas. 👌
Epic vid 🤟 stainless’s also have the reputation of sucking in rain when on the highway unlike safaris that have drain holes in the head to mitigate that.
In my country, you can only homologate a plastic snorkel. And even if stainless steel could be homologated, I would still choose plastic, because of the more classic look.
I also have a Safari snorkel on my patrol and I am completely satisfied with it.
As for rivers crossing - your next mod should be to raise the diff (and all others) breathers ;)
A smart choice mate i like the plastic snorkals over the stainless ones all day everyday and with the plastic ram heads you can just loosen up the stainless clamp and turn the snorkel backwards for deeper water crossings to help reduce the chance of water getting down into the air intake
I went Safari (Plastic) on my GU Patrol and glad I did, just for the aesthetics. The noise was noticeable when I first got it, but after a while, you get not to notice it. Good choice
Would never have considered a plastic snorkel until I saw this video. Definitely making me reassess
Great video 👍👍
I mean stainless steel would be my choose but it’s your 4wd and you can do anything with it and I am happy how your 4wd is like working up and getting built .LOVE YOUR CHANNEL:)
Thanks mate!! that's it!!
Great episode guys I’m about to get there a max on my hilux I’m not really into the stainless ones. Myself although they look great on some 4wd 🤙🇦🇺🙏
So good that you guys are getting sponsored by an awesome company like fulcrum to bad i already have there kit hahaha keep up the good work 👌
Great video mate!
Plastic looks great on!!! Another awesome video!
In the rain you can turn the head 180 degrees to stop water ingress. You can go the same and put a sock on it in the dust to help there. I'll be going plastic when I put a snorkel my car soon as it's much cheaper. Keep up the good work
black matches the trim, bars and roof. The Safari seems a perfect choice. Interested to know what happens to the ingested rain? Great chennel.
@16:20 Best-o-lucking conversing with those rivers lol 🤣😂🤣
I live in south west wa. Its a verry wet place here rains 80% of our year. I ended up changing from a safari to stainless as I found the ram head turned into a shovel in the rain and filled my airbox more in a average morning trip to work then my staino does in a month 👍. However I do now run a uni filter on my stainless for the big pudles that send water well over the roof and random debris finding its way to the airbox
Also I found the plastic snorkel vibrates slightly at full boost. And makes a really annoying fart of a noise
I've got a 80 series with a safari on and I turn mine backwards to stop rain which we get a lot of here in nz getting rammed into my cold air box cheers Buck
100% agree. I would hate to hear the induction noise from a staino, I drive a 70 series and have more than enough noise as it is. Thanks for the content. Cheers
Awesome mate looks great 👍🏼
mine came with stainless and I wish it didn't because its so loud, apart from that the stainless definitely looks better and I've never had an issue with excessive dirt or dust in my airbox, i have however heard that having a front facing snorkel can suck up a lot more dust, but that doesn't matter because you can turn the head around.
Im enjoying the simple talk. Too many people are trying to "Be experts!" and most are using 100K _ Cars, or 50k cars with full SPONSORSHIP. Thanks for just being a Normal Guy.
great show , its your wheels , your way !!
I have a 3 inch stainless snorkel on my patrol Facing back doesn’t have a vent on it straight open I use to park under a tree in my drive way use to be covered in leaves all the time every time I use to service it or knew I was going out on big drives I would check my air filter cause it would suck in leaves an could notice a difference up hills
I went Safari on the GU and eventually ended up going to a Millweld Ram head 4" and felt a benefit straight away - what informed the decision in my case is that the safari inner guard peice narrows right down restricting the flow of course i went the powder coat black on the GU haha.
Yeah definitely think a big stainless is right in some applications as you say !
Looks awesome Patty... Awesome job boys
Thanks Gary!!
Good choice, I run an Safari Armax on 105 👍 But running a Stainless on 60 series with 12HT, which is on passenger side, and man does it suck/noisy !
When working on painted surfaces, use masking tape and cover whole area. Rear-facing, big-tube snorkels are really in the "Wanker-Factor" camp. Most engines do not need the huge "Look at me" pipes nor do they need a vacuum forming on the air intake at highway speeds.
I’ve personally gone with both plastic and stainless but with an 80 series they do look really good with a plastic snorkel. Any other older style wagon fourby I wouldn’t say so
Every woolworths crawler has a stainless snorkel. That's enough reason to not have one 😅
my mums Datsun has a stainless snorkel looks great.
Great video as usual. Easy to follow and “No boring bits! “
Just on a serious note. You drilled into the panel without safety glasses, Im not the fun police, and even I am guilty of doing it. My grandfather was a metal worker and lost nearly all vision in one eye in his twenties, drilling without safety glasses, red hot swarf flicked up into his eye. Happens in a split second!
Great video boys make your rig your own way 👍
Got the Safari snorkel to. It’s made by a big company that puts proper engineered RnD in to its product. The forward facing Ram head is proven and has had a big company behind it for many many years without significant change.
Small companies or back yard jobs is an eBay type risk in my opinion. Sure some might be ok. But not worth the risk and they look a bit.
Also, maybe stainless can take a hit, but I’d prefer a snorkel to be reasonably sacrificial so the force isn’t transferred in to the body causing worse more expensive damage.
You obviously need a 79 style prefilter snorkel cap for the tuff mine spec look mate
Good work! 👍
Looks good mate keeps with the look you are going with
gud choice right choice n looks way better than the s/s. all u need is a soc on the ram on dusty trax.
You guys may have made a precious video about it , but do you have diff breathers? Would definitely recommend diff breathers before doing anything in water even with a snorkel
I've had a plastic factory snorkel on my Gu patrol for years when I put It on I just made sure I sealed it well and it's been drowned so on and it's always sealed good and been good just cons when it starts fading.... I got a staino snorkel and after market airbox fordged fabrications did for me drowned it a few times seals well and never had the issue with rain going into the airbox I think it's because the way he built the snorkel not to catch the rain performance wise it works great its deffintaly better cons the noise 🤣 but apart from that I'm not bios on it all plastic ones have worked for many of years on a factory airbox
Safari all the way mate. They are solid bro , and quality , won’t even fade after years. U made the right decision.
Stainless looks great but the price an lot people change the air box an more money and Cop bait .Plastic fantasy is great I got that on my Gu when I got it an if not broken why fix does the trick. Good job on the videos guys love the work👍
Good advice The reverse style S/S Snorkels R 30% less efficient because they don’t get as much air rammed into them & R noisey & where they join @ the air box the seal comes loose & ends up falling apart causing gaps where water can get in I had one on my last ranger this time went for the plastic factory ford model doesn’t look as good but I’m looking for usefulness over looks this time after doing my homework on snorkels it’s always better going for the factory unit but safari snorkels is a we’ll know Ozzie company that has a good name & tested units 👍😎
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Nice vid!
I recently brought a 2015 hillux of arb 'it was there show car' but it has the safari air max on it. Its good but its got that induction noise all the time wich you get used to eventually but my cousin has a parado he has the normal safari snorkel on it and he reakons apart from his not having the induction noise he dosnt notice any difference between the two
Have snorkels on all our off road vehicles, but everyone seems to think it's for water. Trust me that 2x4 isn't getting across most mud puddles. We have them installed because of dust keeps the air intake above the dust line especially in convoy
only so much air can be held in the snorkel at once anyway so that means a facing forward snorkel will not increase air intake or make more power but still good choice looks better than a stano
ive got a N/A td gq and it was slow as all hell but after i put a snorkel on it was so much faster it blew me away.
I have a safari snorkel on my surf and with a supercharger on the diesel there is definitely induction noise...haha
Do you have a link to your dash cam setup? It looks great!
Being very honest, now check your airbox has a good seal on the lid. After Sam's airbox/snorkel let water in on the last livin4x4 video, you'd wanna make sure the entire intake line is well sealed
Definitely!!!
Who knew that a year ago you would be foreshadowing Liam's snorkel on the Patrol 😂
Good video 👍 Any chance ur gonna do a rear lsd or locker?
Could always just loosen the hose clamp and turn the snorkel head around, will still run exactly the same. I do it for mine when hitting big holes so no water splashes up.
Can't really go wrong with the Safari, proven to be a great product for how many decades now? The performance difference between SS and plastic are negligible, what matters for flow are tube length and restrictions. On a typical 4cl/6cl turbo diesel we all run, you'd be lucky to see 2kw difference with 32-33" tyres. I'd rather go plastic myself and spend the rest of the money on something like a front mount/top mount IC. Standard coolers are pretty rubbish for pressure drop after the core and heatsoak. The 80 looks good with the safari, it fits well with the guard and doesn't grab your eye because its shiny tube with bad fitment.
Thanks for the video. I'm concerned that the Hilux models with a circular air box can suck in a lot of dirt from under the wheel arch, especially as there is a cheap ill-fitting plastic liner with fragile push fasteners. Instead of a schnorkel. I'm thinking of shifting the air intake to inside the engine bay at the coolest point and least likely to catch dust or water. You're right that the deepest water crossing is around the top of the wheels. As well as all the parts vulnerable to water, there are your door mounted speakers and instrument panel. The idea of a ram effect is nonsense as the filter is a major barrier. However, schnorks do look good, even sexy. By the way, I've seen other plastic Safari models that need an oval hole, which is more difficult to cut with a hole saw. Happy submarining !
Which diff breathers will you choose?
Snorkel looks great
The ram head wont ram much air down as the turbo does the sucking in the air as much it can, also water has still gotten down to the filer with a Ram head on my old 4X4 i owned years ago and went with a Cyclone top intake.
I think the next mod for the 80 should be a new bar and some scrub bars👍🤙
Only thing with a ram head (and this is more for modern cars) is that they can in fact cause over boosting causing the car to shut down but like you said they are a lot quieter
I've had both never got water or sticks down either now the one major benefit of stainless snorkels and why most comp trucks run them is water ingress on bog holes or water crossing the down side of stainless snorkels is you either have a massive hole cut in you guard or they hang out and the bigger you go the bigger the bigger the hole or more they hang out the flip side plastic snorkels are molded to shape around your guard so they look neater
And by far the best snorkel head is the cyclonic factory Toyota one
Personal preference I went stainless snorkel and air box 😅 but my pig is built as a weekend worrier. But unfortunately I have been using it as a daily 😕 and you get over the induction noise quickly and as for water in the stainless doesn't seem to be a problem for me.... but in saying a plastic snorkel is a good option especially if daily driving
Plastic is just better and stainless just adds wank factor🤣
I built a 4" stainless for my gq facing rearward and tested for 20 mins in heavy rain (not much of a problem in ausie as you don't get so much proper rain) and got 300ml of water in airbox because water travels along the outside to the end and gets sucked in with airflow. 4" safari plastic head and a coat of raptor and problem solved. Can still face over screen or backwards so trees and scrub don't smash it off. 30 degrees egt reduction also over old design safari plastic straw at open road speed shows far better flow. On the 80 I agree with your choice...
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You made the smartest choice by far. 👍
I recon next thing for the 80 is a different bull bar, the car looks awesome and the bullbar sorta spoils the look
Plastic Safari snorkels have been engineered and around for a long time. I’ve seen the pretty staino ones drink water in heavy rain. Been using plastic Safaris for over 20 years and never had any problem.
Hey mate great videos have you upgraded your headlights
I ordered legendex sliders the other day for my 80 I’m keen as👌🤟
I think the stainless snorkel look good but I will be going safari plastic snorkel on my 105 turbo I don't think I will be doing to many river crossings but I do alot of highway ks and im pretty sure the air they pull in higher up is cooler then the air around the road or head light area but probably just a myth lol.
Are you going to run a pre-filter over the ram-air intake at the top, there a great idea for dust. Seeya Rob