Hi. I watched your video and almost didn’t purchase the blade. Man am I ever glad I went ahead and purchase the blade. I have the Laguna 14/12 saw and I am literally blown away at how smooth my cuts are. I have been cutting rock maple and I can barely see the saw marks. Anybody out there expecting an almost planed finish cut should give their head a real good shake. The blade is expensive but from what I’ve cut and the results that I’ve gotten are more than worth it. Just my sawdust worth.
Hi Brad, I'm genuinely pleased that you're "literally blown away at how smooth your cuts are". It's possible that Laguna has improved their Resaw King blade over the past few years. However Brad, I just now checked Lagunas site again and they are still showing video that appears to me to be possibly deliberately out of focus. I've never seen a sharp closeup of the final cut. That makes me think that they may be trying to decieve. Are the hiding something? Brad, did you view the first 5 videos I produced regarding this blade. Here is part 1 from 2014 ua-cam.com/video/_ZuCwwd_peA/v-deo.html&t
Hi Ron. Great news. I found a bad weld on one of the carbide teeth. All the teeth measured .043 width except 1 that was .095 wide. Talked to Brian at Laguna tool and helped me out and replaced the blade. Im so thankful for him standing behind there product and making things right. Thanks for great people that do the right thing.
Good morning Roy from Missouri, I've been looking a the Laguna Resaw King, and reviews, when I ran across your channel. I'm an Operating Engineer by trade, and i'm getting closer to retirement, woodworking is a fun and relaxing hobby. Next I maybe the only one that did get what you were saying about (not as advertise) by the 3rd video I was laughing that you had to keep repeating it. I'm look at this blade very hard, the saw will be a 14" and will take up to a 1" blade with a 1-1/2 HP motor, I was think, about the Laguna Resaw King in 3/4". I have to say now that I have subscribed to your channel, and now I'm waiting for Part 7 haha.
Hi fellow woodworker, I sure hope that there doesn't have to be a "Part 7" 3/4 inch will be good. I overdid it with that 1.25 inch. Thanks for commenting :)
Hi Ron, Thanks very much for the video set. Love how methodically and practically you went through things. I cannot tell you how relieved I have been watching this set. Like you, I love my Laguna Bandsaw. Like you, I have been very frustrated with the finish from my Resaw King blades. Like you, I spent many hours fine-tuning the machine. Like you, with little to no improvement. Like you, I would still buy it again. In fact, I bought three of them. I thought I might have over-dulled the first one, and that was the reason for poor finish. Unlike you, I actually used to run a bandsaw blade manufacturing company. These were much larger sawmill blades, though. But, I have seen some beautifully smooth cuts. I am also very familiar with performance from (swaged) steel teeth, carbide teeth and stellite teeth. I did expect better. So, like you, I just wish... it was closer to my expectations on a smooth cut. But, there is absolutely no way I could glue up the surface without jointing. I can do that successfully off the table saw, but not off the Resaw King. The washboard is too severe. Yes, like you, I will point out again that I would buy it again. Just wish I had a different experience. Thank you sincerely for putting in all of this time. I will sleep better now, finally, knowing it wasn't just me.
Ron Calverley ... in my opinion, some factors limit the smoothness. some, one can eliminate, some, one can not. the push trough speed is one of the most critical. as each tooth cuts a triangle out of the wood, because the tooth is bent out and the cutting edge is a triangle, you have to push trough in a rate, that the distance between each toothcut is similar to you desired smoothness. so if you want to have one micron as roughness, your pushing speed has to be so slow, that two following teeth are only one micron apart. and that's for all absolutely perfect blades valid. after this, one needs to make the perfect blade, where each tooth is absolutely equal spaces and bend out. if 10 teeth are bend out 0.5mm followed by one tooth bend out 1mm, each 10 teeth a 0.5mm cut is made into the wood. that's the pure principle a bandsaw works. solution: automatic slow push trough and perfect sawblade. or change the system by using a tablesaw, were each tooth is absolutely plane to the surface to cut. I think, there will never be a bandsaw with the same finish as a tablesaw, just because of the way it works. best regards and best wishes, Alex.
Yup. It couldn't possible be more clear. It's ultra clear, surprisingly clear, remarkably clear. It's one of the most easy to understand points in the world.
Hey Ron, really enjoy your stuff, I have the Resaw King as well, and I’m actually getting amazing results with it! I can’t speak for quality control or tolerance between each blade, but one thing I generally do whenever I change blades on my bandsaw is redo the table angle, since different blades draw different tension on the neck of the bandsaw, I’m commenting from my workshop right now because I JUST got the cleanest cut I’ve ever seen from a bandsaw blade. I’m sure if I hit the cut with 400 grit paper very lightly, I could finish the piece. Wish I could comment pictures to show you, but as advertised, this is giving my proper results!
Great video and even better catch on the board enhancement. I build guitars as somewhat of a serious hobby and have been doing some resawing as well but with a smaller blade. I have the 1412 and was going to buy the resaw king hoping, just as you did, that this would give me a finer cut. Have you found anything to date that actually would meet that type of expectation?
hi Ron, I watched all the Laguna videos and I think you were very fair and thorough in all of your testing. I do have a question though. I have been searching though all of your videos and the majority of your projects are all turned wood. I see you using the saw for cutting pen blanks a bunch. My question is, why did you feel the need to buy a 1.25" resaw blade to cut wood that inevitably ends up on your lathe? Isn't that blade made for large resaw cuts like making veneers and bookmatching? Just curious because it sees like a large investment if you don't do a lot of resawing. Thanks and keep up the great videos.
Hi Jeff, You are absolutely correct about all I seem to be cutting lately is pen blanks. As I'm getting older now I'm finding that my projects are getting smaller. I wish I had that bandsaw 50 years ago when I was just beginning to seriously get into this hobby. Thanks for commenting :)
Hey Ron, I've been there before, I feel your pain. Anyways, I really appreciate your review. I would have fallen for this "Glorified Blade" if I had not seen your honest review on this video. God bless you, I wish all disappointments this blade caused you are turned into blessings.
Hi Harold, Thank you for watching and commenting. "Glorified Blade" --- that's a good way of describing it. My opinion still is that, yes, it's good, but not that good. 😐
I've had my Resaw King for 4 years. I get the same washboard effect as you do, and that is after using Alex's instruction set. Alex's instruction set works perfectly to prevent drift, but it doesn't do as much for washboarding. However, the claim extremely smooth is subjective. Extremely smooth compared to what? Is it extremely smooth compared to its competitors? Perhaps, but I have no way of knowing because I haven't bought their competitor's blades. I've only used the Resaw King. I think what we need is a test of the top 10 resaw blades, perhaps determine the top 10 by price. Then see if the Resaw King outperforms the others.
Hi, Thanks for the comment. I haven't heard from you for some time now and just the other day was wondering if your still viewing. Unfortunately the only folks who likely can afford to test the top 10 are people who rely on advertising to keep their magazines going. In other words the test would be biased in favor of the biggest advertizer.
I personally do not know of a better bandsaw blade. It's just not as perfect as advertised. Perhaps some fellow woodworkers who have had several different brands (and read this that is) could help us out there. By the way, when I bought my 18 in Rikon I actually would have much preferred the 18 in Laguna, but at that time the Rikon was "much" cheaper. Thanks for commenting :)
I buy the absolutely best tools I can buy in hopes they will last my lifetime. Every year it gets easier to buy lifetime tools. Your comment made me laugh: “By the way, when I bought my 18 in Rikon I actually would have much preferred the 18 in Laguna, but at that time the Rikon was “much” cheaper.” I’d buy the Resaw King in a heart beat after watching your video(s).
Ron I think it’s your saw that’s letting you down. I’ve had many RK blades even before they went full carbide tips. They used to be stellite tips. Just my guess from a thousand miles away is the band is too wide and your saw not tensioning enough. Rear blade is contacting upper and lower bearing unevenly.Or rear bearing is wobbly under pressure from blade. Other things that need to be right are stiff fence and true tires. My saw is a Aggazani b 20/20 almost any sharp blade I put on this saw will leave a surface without wash board. Good luck
Your welcome, I would also like to mention that I don’t run anything bigger then 1inch wide. Lennox Ct and Laguna Rk for the last two years. I’ve also found Olsen’s blades to be good for my needs. Good day sir 🙂
i bought a resaw king also and have a grooving on the wood and it bangs as the blade cuts. I kind of thought maybe it was offset on the teeth to clear out saw dust. Im not sure but I was kind of disappointed too. The blade last forever but not as smooth as I would like by far. Thanks for your videos. I think your more than fare.
Ron I think I see what your talking about because I have the same problem with that blade. I talked to Labuan and they told me to check for a bent tooth. I just figured when you spend that kind of money you shouldn’t have to do the quality control too. My blade leaves deep lines every eight inch. I’m disappointed to say the least
Re: "I’m disappointed to say the least" Yes, I was thinking that possibly the teeth were not welded on as true as they should have been. Yup! Disappointing alright!
Im glad to see you saying things the way they are (how is the wife?) i have been here for a long time and i love your personality thank you for everything!
I have neverever found a blade cirular or bandsaw blade that is used in a shop that did not leave some wash boarding. even fine furiture and ressaw shops have some wash boarding. My great grandpaw built gin running boats in Three Rivers for years and always said you have to plane or sand eery board to finnish spec. that there was never ever a smooth surface until you have done that.
I hear you Ron. Ignore those short sighted people. by the way I hate my alarm clock early in the morning. I am thinking would it be nice one day to be retired and sleep in. or maybe not
When retirement does come for you, keep busy at what interests you. Don't be influenced too much by what others think you should be doing. If you feel like playing in your workshop today the do that. You can always wash those dishes tomorrow, lol :)
I reckon the blade needs more tension. Possibly your saw cant handle that wide of a blade. The RK blades need heaps of tension due to how thin they are. Also from what your showing that is pretty smooth for a bandsaw cut.
Yes, I agree that there is the distinct possibility that this Rikon machine is not capable of being tensioned up enough to properly handle this 1.25 inch blade. My complaint was and still is that Laguna seemed to me to be going to an effort to cover up the fact that their Resaw King was not as smooth as they stated. Thanks for commenting 🙂
Toscano, I'd say you're right. I just read 2 articles which say that the Laguna blade needs a minimum of 25,000 psi tension, and no consumer or prosumer saws can get over 10,000 psi. Laguna seems to be selling an industrial blade to people who don't own machines capable of using it. From the videos on UA-cam, lots of other blades perform better on the lower end con/pro sumer, under $4,000, bandsaws.
@@johnbluebeard4355 laguna aren't selling an industrial blade to people who cant use it - they sell plenty of industrial blades to people (like me) who have the correct saws to use them on. Dont blame laguna because this guy bought a 1 1/4 inch blade when he should of bought a 1 or even a 3/4 inch blade. Also dont expect laguna to know the limitations of his rikon saw. Laguna make their own saws that handle their own blades just fine. They even list the blade limitations (for the resaw king) for each of their own saws on their website.
@@toscanoguitars5566 I just got back from Laguna's website and, after checking 6 RK blades, no, they do not mention minimum tension requirements. Even their machines don't list tension pressures. The manual for the $4,800 "Italian Resaw Master Bandsaw" states (on page 28) that tension is adjusted as follows--- "using moderate pressure with your thumb, press on the flat of the blade. You should get 3/16" to ¼" of deflection." If Laguna's Guiseppe model has slop like that in the blade, it's not putting out 25,000 psi. I don't have a dog in this hunt. As I said in my first post, I think you are right, from everything I've read. The R King needs extraordinary tension to work as well as a Woodmaster CT, a Tri-Master or even a Snap-On/Bahco 3860. Unfortunately, if you and other people are right about the tension, then Laguna is selling 90 inch Resaw King bandsaw blades to people who can't get the advertised benefit from them. I don't know of a 90 inch bandsaw that can put out more than 8,000 psi. So, my original statement is by definition true, if you are right about the tension-- Laguna is selling blades which it must know won't work as advertised on the vast majority of machines out there. There should be disclosure on the package about the unusual tension requirements. With all that said, it may be that Ron's problem is described on page 30 of Guiseppe's manual--- "One group of people recommends that with large blades you should track the blade so that the teeth hang just over the front edge of the rubber. The second group recommends that all blades regardless of their size should run in the center of the wheel. The advantage of running the large blades with the teeth not contacting the rubber of the wheel is that they cannot damage the tire. The disadvantage is that the wheel is crowned and the blade is not tensioned in the center of the band, which gives the blade a tendency to WOBBLE OR FLUTTER. The advantage of running large blades on the center of the wheels is that they are tensioned in the center of the band and have fewer tendencies to wobble and flutter. The disadvantage is that blades with a large set on the teeth have a tendency to damage the rubber of the tire. " GUISEPPE'S MANUAL--- system.na3.netsuite.com/core/media/media.nl?id=660538&c=860860&h=979aec9d9982819a74e5&_xt=.pdf [page references are to actual pages in the manual, not pdf page references].
@@johnbluebeard4355 i didnt say they mention "tension". I said they mention blade limitions. :) Have a look here; lagunatools.com/traditional-machinery/bandsaws/18bx-bandsaw/ See- "Min-Max Blade Width: 1⁄8″-1 1⁄4″ " directly quoted. That maximum is for the resaw king. I have no idea exact what tension this saw (18bx) does. But it sure can handle the 1 1/4 resaw king blade and doesnt have any blade wobble with cuts a lot cleaner then Ron has in his video. All i can assume is that the laguna saw can be dialled to have a lot more tension then the equivalent sized rikon saw. RK blades are thinner then any other resawing blades available. The thin blades need much more tension then equivalent blades from other manufacturers. So if the rikon saw says a max blade of say 1.5inch then thats for a standard blade not a laguna RK blade. As i mentioned in other post above, Ron needs to try using a 3/4 OR a 1 Inch RK blade on his saw. These smaller blades will operate fine at a much lower tension. The tension requirements of a blade like the RK goes up exponentially as the width goes up. So : IF the 1 1/4 RK blade needs 25k psi. The 3/4 inch RK blade probably only needs ~10k psi, and therfore will likely be fine on Rons saw.
You must be "way up north".:-) I thought everyone knew who Alex Snodgrass was(.... and The Wood Whisperer). Alex has been at every woodworking show I have been at for the last twenty years or more. His claim to fame is Carter Products(bandsaw stuff like blades, roller guides....) He also does his "famous: reindeer from a 2x4 in under a minute or whatever. BTW, I also had "fluff" in advertising. I think they believe we are idiots. I usually take the stuff back and then write them a letter. See ya later. JimE
Haha! Yes Winnipeg is up in the boonies that's for sure. By the way Jim, can I ship you a few tons of snow for some of your warm weather. I'm looking at my outdoor thermometer just now and it says minus 21C and dropping :)
Good gravy NO! Snow, ice and minus numbers is the reason I'm here. It is +35 F here now at 9 PM, that's cold enough for me. YES, I've turned into a wuss. Gotta go! Just got notification that one of my favorite UA-camrs up in the great white north just posted another video. JimE
This guy lost all credibility when he showed he had two, not one, but TWO bandsaws, and has no idea who Snodgrass and Spagnuolo are, and only makes pens with all those tools. It's simple common sense, any finish from a band saw blades will have that effect which is a result of the user pausing during the cut. Lastly, any Resaw blade that has carbide isn't meant to give you silky smooth cuts, it's meant to last a long time, nothing more. For any non production woodworker, a non carbide resaw blade is more than enough, therefore a carbide blade is overkill, and an expensive mistake if you hit even one nail with it...For a guy who makes pens on his dueling bandsaws, it's total and utter overkill.
Haha --- love your comment here because it is "mostly" soooo true. Sometimes when I'm down in my basement full of, way too many, professional tools, I say to myself "who do I think I'm kidding here anyway". Again, haha, can't help but laugh at myself here. However, you, like so many other viewers seem to have misses the point that I was trying to get across. And that was Laguna's deceptive and misleading advertising. I don't know if you watched all my 7 episodes on this blade, but I tried to make the point that I felt that Laguna was trying to use misleading advertising by using low resolution video so that we cannot clearly see the finished blade cut, and they falsely stated that the Resaw King cut was "ULTRA" smooth and "REMARKABLY" smooth. Quoting your own words "any Resaw blade that has carbide isn't meant to give you silky smooth cuts" Now this all being said, it is my opinion that it's still the best band saw blade I've got and it will likely last me the rest of my life. btw, Laguna is still at it! I was recently viewing a video they had put out on one of their CNC machines. Would actually love to have it! I caught a quick glimpse of visible ridging being left by the cutter. My thought at that moment was that they will likely pass the over the work again in some sort of fine definition mode. Don't know if they did or not because at the end of their very well done, interesting and informative video, the guy was holding the finish item way too far away from the camera so as to be clearly see. My feeling is that when Laguna doesn't want the viewer to see something clearly they will do what appears to me to be a lot of artistic camera work, like zooming in and out, hand held camera shake and perhaps deliberately a bit out out of focus. If you take the time to go on my UA-cam channel, you can't help but notice that I go out of my way to show and tell it like it is --- the good, the bad and the ugly, and now in 4K. But that doesn't make any money, lol. My friend, I really do appreciate your comment. No offence taken whatsoever. 😊
well I agree they may be marketing the blade in a certain way, and maybe it's all true under the most perfect of conditions. e.g with the driftmaster (another $400) and a power feeder. But for me personally there is no way i'd buy into the fact any band saw blade will give me a finished cut...i don't even get that with my table saw with a forrest blade blade on it. There's always room for improvement after a cut, particularly on a band saw. I get your point and I agree with it.
I guess you got distracted when (at @1:30), Ron specifically said that he cut more than just pen blanks. second - I understand and agree with you that to my limited knowledge there is no blade that produces a smooth finish but I guess you were distracted again when Ron said (about 500 times mind you) that he's not slamming on Laguna but he was simply mislead by their ad that said that it's "smooth" and "ultra smooth". He did say that repeatedly so I am not sure if you just misheard it or what not . what I don't understand is why do you think you can judge what a man buys with his own money? why do you care if he has two bandsaws and all these tools in his shop? you may be young and don't understand that these tools may have been bought over a period of time or maybe Ron simply has the means to buy them but it shouldn't concern you. you're not the tool purchasing police and in my opinion you came off as rude and condescending. Finally - not everyone watches hours of youtube woodworking videos everyday and not everyone knows who Alex Snodgrass and the wood whisperer's are.
@@jc51373 LMAO. You wrote "Lastly, any Resaw blade that has carbide isn't meant to give you silky smooth cuts...." Yes, well Laguny claims that their blade is worth $150+ because it does just that. The whole point of this video is that Laguna's claims are bunk. Personally, I think one would be better off with the Snap On 3860/Bahco carbide resaw blade at $100. It cuts just as well as the Laguna. Or, try the Lenox Woodmaster CT (carbide). Both are cheaper than the (cough) price of the Laguny and both cut just as well. Laguna blades are for those who buy Izod shirts, still, because the name is cool and the quality claims are outlandish. It's an insecure cult thing. The Laguna RK blade is leaving behind itself a long trail of less than satisfied owners, albeit there is also a trail of satisfied owners.
Hi. I watched your video and almost didn’t purchase the blade. Man am I ever glad I went ahead and purchase the blade. I have the Laguna 14/12 saw and I am literally blown away at how smooth my cuts are. I have been cutting rock maple and I can barely see the saw marks. Anybody out there expecting an almost planed finish cut should give their head a real good shake. The blade is expensive but from what I’ve cut and the results that I’ve gotten are more than worth it. Just my sawdust worth.
Hi Brad,
I'm genuinely pleased that you're "literally blown away at how smooth your cuts are". It's possible that Laguna has improved their Resaw King blade over the past few years. However Brad, I just now checked Lagunas site again and they are still showing video that appears to me to be possibly deliberately out of focus. I've never seen a sharp closeup of the final cut. That makes me think that they may be trying to decieve. Are the hiding something? Brad, did you view the first 5 videos I produced regarding this blade. Here is part 1 from 2014 ua-cam.com/video/_ZuCwwd_peA/v-deo.html&t
Hi Ron. Great news. I found a bad weld on one of the carbide teeth. All the teeth measured .043 width except 1 that was .095 wide. Talked to Brian at Laguna tool and helped me out and replaced the blade. Im so thankful for him standing behind there product and making things right. Thanks for great people that do the right thing.
You realize what you've done? Now I'm going to have to go check all the teeth on mine, lol :)
Laguna Resaw King - Part 7! Can't wait!
Good morning Roy from Missouri, I've been looking a the Laguna Resaw King, and reviews, when I ran across your channel.
I'm an Operating Engineer by trade, and i'm getting closer to retirement, woodworking is a fun and relaxing hobby.
Next I maybe the only one that did get what you were saying about (not as advertise) by the 3rd video I was laughing that you had to keep repeating it. I'm look at this blade very hard, the saw will be a 14" and will take up to a 1" blade with a 1-1/2 HP motor, I was think, about the Laguna Resaw King in 3/4".
I have to say now that I have subscribed to your channel, and now I'm waiting for Part 7 haha.
Hi fellow woodworker,
I sure hope that there doesn't have to be a "Part 7" 3/4 inch will be good. I overdid it with that 1.25 inch. Thanks for commenting :)
Hi Ron,
Thanks very much for the video set. Love how methodically and practically you went through things.
I cannot tell you how relieved I have been watching this set.
Like you, I love my Laguna Bandsaw.
Like you, I have been very frustrated with the finish from my Resaw King blades.
Like you, I spent many hours fine-tuning the machine. Like you, with little to no improvement.
Like you, I would still buy it again.
In fact, I bought three of them. I thought I might have over-dulled the first one, and that was the reason for poor finish.
Unlike you, I actually used to run a bandsaw blade manufacturing company. These were much larger sawmill blades, though. But, I have seen some beautifully smooth cuts. I am also very familiar with performance from (swaged) steel teeth, carbide teeth and stellite teeth. I did expect better.
So, like you, I just wish... it was closer to my expectations on a smooth cut. But, there is absolutely no way I could glue up the surface without jointing. I can do that successfully off the table saw, but not off the Resaw King. The washboard is too severe.
Yes, like you, I will point out again that I would buy it again. Just wish I had a different experience.
Thank you sincerely for putting in all of this time. I will sleep better now, finally, knowing it wasn't just me.
Hi David,
I hope that Laguna reads your comment too. Thank you so very much :)
Ron Calverley ... in my opinion, some factors limit the smoothness. some, one can eliminate, some, one can not. the push trough speed is one of the most critical. as each tooth cuts a triangle out of the wood, because the tooth is bent out and the cutting edge is a triangle, you have to push trough in a rate, that the distance between each toothcut is similar to you desired smoothness. so if you want to have one micron as roughness, your pushing speed has to be so slow, that two following teeth are only one micron apart. and that's for all absolutely perfect blades valid.
after this, one needs to make the perfect blade, where each tooth is absolutely equal spaces and bend out. if 10 teeth are bend out 0.5mm followed by one tooth bend out 1mm, each 10 teeth a 0.5mm cut is made into the wood. that's the pure principle a bandsaw works.
solution: automatic slow push trough and perfect sawblade.
or change the system by using a tablesaw, were each tooth is absolutely plane to the surface to cut.
I think, there will never be a bandsaw with the same finish as a tablesaw, just because of the way it works.
best regards and best wishes, Alex.
I don't know about everyone else but I knew exactly what you were saying.
Thanks for that Billy :)
Yup. It couldn't possible be more clear. It's ultra clear, surprisingly clear, remarkably clear. It's one of the most easy to understand points in the world.
Hey Ron, really enjoy your stuff, I have the Resaw King as well, and I’m actually getting amazing results with it! I can’t speak for quality control or tolerance between each blade, but one thing I generally do whenever I change blades on my bandsaw is redo the table angle, since different blades draw different tension on the neck of the bandsaw, I’m commenting from my workshop right now because I JUST got the cleanest cut I’ve ever seen from a bandsaw blade. I’m sure if I hit the cut with 400 grit paper very lightly, I could finish the piece. Wish I could comment pictures to show you, but as advertised, this is giving my proper results!
That is fantastic! I'm glad it's working out okay for you :)
Great video and even better catch on the board enhancement. I build guitars as somewhat of a serious hobby and have been doing some resawing as well but with a smaller blade. I have the 1412 and was going to buy the resaw king hoping, just as you did, that this would give me a finer cut. Have you found anything to date that actually would meet that type of expectation?
I don't know of any band saw blade that is "ultra-smooth" as Laguna claims.
hi Ron, I watched all the Laguna videos and I think you were very fair and thorough in all of your testing. I do have a question though. I have been searching though all of your videos and the majority of your projects are all turned wood. I see you using the saw for cutting pen blanks a bunch. My question is, why did you feel the need to buy a 1.25" resaw blade to cut wood that inevitably ends up on your lathe? Isn't that blade made for large resaw cuts like making veneers and bookmatching? Just curious because it sees like a large investment if you don't do a lot of resawing. Thanks and keep up the great videos.
Hi Jeff,
You are absolutely correct about all I seem to be cutting lately is pen blanks. As I'm getting older now I'm finding that my projects are getting smaller. I wish I had that bandsaw 50 years ago when I was just beginning to seriously get into this hobby. Thanks for commenting :)
Hey Ron, I've been there before, I feel your pain. Anyways, I really appreciate your review. I would have fallen for this "Glorified Blade" if I had not seen your honest review on this video. God bless you, I wish all disappointments this blade caused you are turned into blessings.
Hi Harold,
Thank you for watching and commenting. "Glorified Blade" --- that's a good way of describing it. My opinion still is that, yes, it's good, but not that good. 😐
I've had my Resaw King for 4 years. I get the same washboard effect as you do, and that is after using Alex's instruction set. Alex's instruction set works perfectly to prevent drift, but it doesn't do as much for washboarding. However, the claim extremely smooth is subjective. Extremely smooth compared to what? Is it extremely smooth compared to its competitors? Perhaps, but I have no way of knowing because I haven't bought their competitor's blades. I've only used the Resaw King. I think what we need is a test of the top 10 resaw blades, perhaps determine the top 10 by price. Then see if the Resaw King outperforms the others.
Hi,
Thanks for the comment. I haven't heard from you for some time now and just the other day was wondering if your still viewing. Unfortunately the only folks who likely can afford to test the top 10 are people who rely on advertising to keep their magazines going. In other words the test would be biased in favor of the biggest advertizer.
Is there a better blade than the laguna? I just ordered a Laguna 18bx bandsaw and need to get a good blade.
I personally do not know of a better bandsaw blade. It's just not as perfect as advertised. Perhaps some fellow woodworkers who have had several different brands (and read this that is) could help us out there. By the way, when I bought my 18 in Rikon I actually would have much preferred the 18 in Laguna, but at that time the Rikon was "much" cheaper. Thanks for commenting :)
I buy the absolutely best tools I can buy in hopes they will last my lifetime. Every year it gets easier to buy lifetime tools. Your comment made me laugh: “By the way, when I bought my 18 in Rikon I actually would have much preferred the 18 in Laguna, but at that time the Rikon was “much” cheaper.”
I’d buy the Resaw King in a heart beat after watching your video(s).
Ron I think it’s your saw that’s letting you down.
I’ve had many RK blades even before they went full carbide tips. They used to be stellite tips.
Just my guess from a thousand miles away is the band is too wide and your saw not tensioning enough.
Rear blade is contacting upper and lower bearing unevenly.Or rear bearing is wobbly under pressure from blade.
Other things that need to be right are stiff fence and true tires.
My saw is a Aggazani b 20/20 almost any sharp blade I put on this saw will leave a surface without wash board.
Good luck
Hi Aj,
Thank you for watching and also for your detailed comment :)
Your welcome, I would also like to mention that I don’t run anything bigger then 1inch wide.
Lennox Ct and Laguna Rk for the last two years. I’ve also found Olsen’s blades to be good for my needs.
Good day sir 🙂
i bought a resaw king also and have a grooving on the wood and it bangs as the blade cuts. I kind of thought maybe it was offset
on the teeth to clear out saw dust. Im not sure but I was kind of disappointed too. The blade last forever but not as smooth as I would like by far. Thanks for your videos. I think your more than fare.
Thanks for your comment Charles. I'm getting that banging too. Perhaps the weld isn't quite right.
Ron I think I see what your talking about because I have the same problem with that blade. I talked to Labuan and they told me to check for a bent tooth. I just figured when you spend that kind of money you shouldn’t have to do the quality control too. My blade leaves deep lines every eight inch. I’m disappointed to say the least
Re: "I’m disappointed to say the least" Yes, I was thinking that possibly the teeth were not welded on as true as they should have been. Yup! Disappointing alright!
Im glad to see you saying things the way they are (how is the wife?) i have been here for a long time and i love your personality
thank you for everything!
Thanks for commenting. Sadly, Mary is not doing too well.
I have neverever found a blade cirular or bandsaw blade that is used in a shop that did not leave some wash boarding. even fine furiture and ressaw shops have some wash boarding. My great grandpaw built gin running boats in Three Rivers for years and always said you have to plane or sand eery board to finnish spec. that there was never ever a smooth surface until you have done that.
Now that's really interesting. Thanks for sharing that with us :)
I hear you Ron. Ignore those short sighted people. by the way I hate my alarm clock early in the morning. I am thinking would it be nice one day to be retired and sleep in. or maybe not
When retirement does come for you, keep busy at what interests you. Don't be influenced too much by what others think you should be doing. If you feel like playing in your workshop today the do that. You can always wash those dishes tomorrow, lol :)
I reckon the blade needs more tension. Possibly your saw cant handle that wide of a blade. The RK blades need heaps of tension due to how thin they are.
Also from what your showing that is pretty smooth for a bandsaw cut.
Yes, I agree that there is the distinct possibility that this Rikon machine is not capable of being tensioned up enough to properly handle this 1.25 inch blade. My complaint was and still is that Laguna seemed to me to be going to an effort to cover up the fact that their Resaw King was not as smooth as they stated. Thanks for commenting 🙂
Toscano, I'd say you're right. I just read 2 articles which say that the Laguna blade needs a minimum of 25,000 psi tension, and no consumer or prosumer saws can get over 10,000 psi. Laguna seems to be selling an industrial blade to people who don't own machines capable of using it. From the videos on UA-cam, lots of other blades perform better on the lower end con/pro sumer, under $4,000, bandsaws.
@@johnbluebeard4355 laguna aren't selling an industrial blade to people who cant use it - they sell plenty of industrial blades to people (like me) who have the correct saws to use them on.
Dont blame laguna because this guy bought a 1 1/4 inch blade when he should of bought a 1 or even a 3/4 inch blade.
Also dont expect laguna to know the limitations of his rikon saw. Laguna make their own saws that handle their own blades just fine. They even list the blade limitations (for the resaw king) for each of their own saws on their website.
@@toscanoguitars5566 I just got back from Laguna's website and, after checking 6 RK blades, no, they do not mention minimum tension requirements. Even their machines don't list tension pressures. The manual for the $4,800 "Italian Resaw Master Bandsaw" states (on page 28) that tension is adjusted as follows--- "using
moderate pressure with your thumb, press on the flat of the blade. You should get 3/16" to ¼" of deflection." If Laguna's Guiseppe model has slop like that in the blade, it's not putting out 25,000 psi.
I don't have a dog in this hunt. As I said in my first post, I think you are right, from everything I've read. The R King needs extraordinary tension to work as well as a Woodmaster CT, a Tri-Master or even a Snap-On/Bahco 3860. Unfortunately, if you and other people are right about the tension, then Laguna is selling 90 inch Resaw King bandsaw blades to people who can't get the advertised benefit from them. I don't know of a 90 inch bandsaw that can put out more than 8,000 psi. So, my original statement is by definition true, if you are right about the tension-- Laguna is selling blades which it must know won't work as advertised on the vast majority of machines out there. There should be disclosure on the package about the unusual tension requirements.
With all that said, it may be that Ron's problem is described on page 30 of Guiseppe's manual--- "One group of people recommends that with
large blades you should track the blade so that the teeth hang just over the front edge of the rubber. The second group recommends that all blades regardless of their size should run in the center of the wheel. The advantage of running the large blades with the teeth not contacting the rubber of the wheel is that they cannot damage the tire. The disadvantage is that the wheel is crowned and the blade is not tensioned in the center of the band, which gives the blade a tendency to WOBBLE OR FLUTTER. The advantage of running large blades on the center of the wheels is that they are tensioned in the center of the band and have fewer tendencies to wobble and flutter. The disadvantage is that blades with a large set on the teeth have a tendency to damage the rubber of the tire. "
GUISEPPE'S MANUAL--- system.na3.netsuite.com/core/media/media.nl?id=660538&c=860860&h=979aec9d9982819a74e5&_xt=.pdf [page references are to actual pages in the manual, not pdf page references].
@@johnbluebeard4355 i didnt say they mention "tension". I said they mention blade limitions. :)
Have a look here; lagunatools.com/traditional-machinery/bandsaws/18bx-bandsaw/
See- "Min-Max Blade Width: 1⁄8″-1 1⁄4″ " directly quoted.
That maximum is for the resaw king.
I have no idea exact what tension this saw (18bx) does. But it sure can handle the 1 1/4 resaw king blade and doesnt have any blade wobble with cuts a lot cleaner then Ron has in his video.
All i can assume is that the laguna saw can be dialled to have a lot more tension then the equivalent sized rikon saw.
RK blades are thinner then any other resawing blades available. The thin blades need much more tension then equivalent blades from other manufacturers. So if the rikon saw says a max blade of say 1.5inch then thats for a standard blade not a laguna RK blade.
As i mentioned in other post above, Ron needs to try using a 3/4 OR a 1 Inch RK blade on his saw. These smaller blades will operate fine at a much lower tension.
The tension requirements of a blade like the RK goes up exponentially as the width goes up.
So : IF the 1 1/4 RK blade needs 25k psi.
The 3/4 inch RK blade probably only needs ~10k psi, and therfore will likely be fine on Rons saw.
You must be "way up north".:-) I thought everyone knew who Alex Snodgrass was(.... and The Wood Whisperer). Alex has been at every woodworking show I have been at for the last twenty years or more. His claim to fame is Carter Products(bandsaw stuff like blades, roller guides....) He also does his "famous: reindeer from a 2x4 in under a minute or whatever.
BTW, I also had "fluff" in advertising. I think they believe we are idiots. I usually take the stuff back and then write them a letter.
See ya later. JimE
Haha! Yes Winnipeg is up in the boonies that's for sure. By the way Jim, can I ship you a few tons of snow for some of your warm weather. I'm looking at my outdoor thermometer just now and it says minus 21C and dropping :)
Good gravy NO! Snow, ice and minus numbers is the reason I'm here. It is +35 F here now at 9 PM, that's cold enough for me. YES, I've turned into a wuss.
Gotta go! Just got notification that one of my favorite UA-camrs up in the great white north just posted another video. JimE
Yeah, false advertising is a problem.
Sadly it most likely will never go away :-/
Yup! Like death and taxes. It's a sure thing, lol. Thanks for commenting :)
LOL. Just trying to help. :)
You've given me an excuse for another video series. Mmmm! Now what should I call it, lol :)
This guy lost all credibility when he showed he had two, not one, but TWO bandsaws, and has no idea who Snodgrass and Spagnuolo are, and only makes pens with all those tools. It's simple common sense, any finish from a band saw blades will have that effect which is a result of the user pausing during the cut. Lastly, any Resaw blade that has carbide isn't meant to give you silky smooth cuts, it's meant to last a long time, nothing more. For any non production woodworker, a non carbide resaw blade is more than enough, therefore a carbide blade is overkill, and an expensive mistake if you hit even one nail with it...For a guy who makes pens on his dueling bandsaws, it's total and utter overkill.
Haha --- love your comment here because it is "mostly" soooo true. Sometimes when I'm down in my basement full of, way too many, professional tools, I say to myself "who do I think I'm kidding here anyway". Again, haha, can't help but laugh at myself here.
However, you, like so many other viewers seem to have misses the point that I was trying to get across. And that was Laguna's deceptive and misleading advertising. I don't know if you watched all my 7 episodes on this blade, but I tried to make the point that I felt that Laguna was trying to use misleading advertising by using low resolution video so that we cannot clearly see the finished blade cut, and they falsely stated that the Resaw King cut was "ULTRA" smooth and "REMARKABLY" smooth. Quoting your own words "any Resaw blade that has carbide isn't meant to give you silky smooth cuts" Now this all being said, it is my opinion that it's still the best band saw blade I've got and it will likely last me the rest of my life.
btw, Laguna is still at it! I was recently viewing a video they had put out on one of their CNC machines. Would actually love to have it! I caught a quick glimpse of visible ridging being left by the cutter. My thought at that moment was that they will likely pass the over the work again in some sort of fine definition mode. Don't know if they did or not because at the end of their very well done, interesting and informative video, the guy was holding the finish item way too far away from the camera so as to be clearly see. My feeling is that when Laguna doesn't want the viewer to see something clearly they will do what appears to me to be a lot of artistic camera work, like zooming in and out, hand held camera shake and perhaps deliberately a bit out out of focus.
If you take the time to go on my UA-cam channel, you can't help but notice that I go out of my way to show and tell it like it is --- the good, the bad and the ugly, and now in 4K. But that doesn't make any money, lol.
My friend, I really do appreciate your comment. No offence taken whatsoever. 😊
well I agree they may be marketing the blade in a certain way, and maybe it's all true under the most perfect of conditions. e.g with the driftmaster (another $400) and a power feeder. But for me personally there is no way i'd buy into the fact any band saw blade will give me a finished cut...i don't even get that with my table saw with a forrest blade blade on it. There's always room for improvement after a cut, particularly on a band saw. I get your point and I agree with it.
Thanks :)
I guess you got distracted when (at @1:30), Ron specifically said that he cut more than just pen blanks. second - I understand and agree with you that to my limited knowledge there is no blade that produces a smooth finish but I guess you were distracted again when Ron said (about 500 times mind you) that he's not slamming on Laguna but he was simply mislead by their ad that said that it's "smooth" and "ultra smooth". He did say that repeatedly so I am not sure if you just misheard it or what not . what I don't understand is why do you think you can judge what a man buys with his own money? why do you care if he has two bandsaws and all these tools in his shop? you may be young and don't understand that these tools may have been bought over a period of time or maybe Ron simply has the means to buy them but it shouldn't concern you. you're not the tool purchasing police and in my opinion you came off as rude and condescending.
Finally - not everyone watches hours of youtube woodworking videos everyday and not everyone knows who Alex Snodgrass and the wood whisperer's are.
@@jc51373 LMAO. You wrote "Lastly, any Resaw blade that has carbide isn't meant to give you silky smooth cuts...." Yes, well Laguny claims that their blade is worth $150+ because it does just that. The whole point of this video is that Laguna's claims are bunk. Personally, I think one would be better off with the Snap On 3860/Bahco carbide resaw blade at $100. It cuts just as well as the Laguna. Or, try the Lenox Woodmaster CT (carbide). Both are cheaper than the (cough) price of the Laguny and both cut just as well. Laguna blades are for those who buy Izod shirts, still, because the name is cool and the quality claims are outlandish. It's an insecure cult thing. The Laguna RK blade is leaving behind itself a long trail of less than satisfied owners, albeit there is also a trail of satisfied owners.