I remember the very first time I saw sidecar racing at Oliver's Mount in Scarborough some time in the mid to late 70s. Barry Sheene was racing at the same meeting and he was the main reason we went, but it was the sidecars that amazed me the most. Every time I see a sidecar race I am astonished that passengers aren't falling out left, right and centre. I suppose it's a bit like the first time a friend took me climbing. I never knew I could grip that hard until I looked down to see how far from the ground I was. It's probably like that at 180MPH. I also love the irony of the word "passenger". That sounds like my wife sitting next to me comfortably while I do all the driving. It's not really like that on a sidecar. Props to everyone involved in sidecar racing.
Great commentary on Sidecar outfits love em not shown much on TT awesome to see live at the course love watching them from the Creg to Hilberry fantastic sight and sound makes my TT week
@@coolhandpuke3780 Yeah I was a little confused, he talked about how they have so much more grip than a motorcycle so surely they should be putting the biggest engines possible? Hopefully someone responds.
So, the sidecars used at the TT are F2 sidecars which are powered by 600cc inline 4 engines or the 675cc 3 cylinder Triumph engine. Up until a couple of years ago the world championship (held on short circuits like motogp or wsb use) F1 sidecars used 1000cc engines, although this has been reduced to 600cc to try and boost participant numbers. F2 chassis have always been favoured at the TT anyway due to their shorter wheel base and better maneuverability. F1 chassis have the engines placed behind the rider and have a significantly longer wheel base. There was a 1000cc F1 sidecar which ran in a parade lap here at the TT a few years ago and I seem to remember it running a pretty quick lap. If you look up images/video of F1 vs F2 sidecars you'll be able to see the difference. Hope this answers your question! 👍
While it will never happen, I'd like to see a sidecar category which features a platform bolted directly onto a bike, as was the case before the current "one-piece" chassis took over. Actually, when was the last time that a bike plus separate platform competed either at the IOM or in a FIM World Championship Grand Prix?
@J T the brick When I was racing and I'm sure its the same now we used to run pretty low tyre pressures, something like 12 PSI so I guess the tyres also act as suspension.
Why put the shifting on the right and the braking on the left? I would prefer it the opposite and be more comfortable shifting like the way I used to race bikes!
No wonder they work on their own machines I don't think I would trust anyone else to repair something I'm hanging off the back of like that at those speeds
There’s just hardly any tv coverage for sidecars, I love them and scrambler sidecars. 👌👌👌
Always loved watching the sidecars racing at Mallory Park when we could go there. Thanks for you insight!
My favourite out of all the TT races. Amazing
I remember the very first time I saw sidecar racing at Oliver's Mount in Scarborough some time in the mid to late 70s. Barry Sheene was racing at the same meeting and he was the main reason we went, but it was the sidecars that amazed me the most. Every time I see a sidecar race I am astonished that passengers aren't falling out left, right and centre. I suppose it's a bit like the first time a friend took me climbing. I never knew I could grip that hard until I looked down to see how far from the ground I was. It's probably like that at 180MPH.
I also love the irony of the word "passenger". That sounds like my wife sitting next to me comfortably while I do all the driving. It's not really like that on a sidecar.
Props to everyone involved in sidecar racing.
Amazing the information explained,is on point. Thank you for another great video that will bring knowledge that was not known by normal riders 👍🏾
Great commentary on Sidecar outfits love em not shown much on TT awesome to see live at the course love watching them from the Creg to Hilberry fantastic sight and sound makes my TT week
Conveyed very well and informative.
F1,subtract aero, safety restraints and 1 wheel then, add an unseated passenger and point in unsafe direction before firing....absolutely beautiful
Fratelli incredibili molto bello e vederli correre e un emozione grintosi bravi un saluto dal Italia. Ciao
Why do they put 600cc engines in instead of 1000cc?
Or are there different categories?
Fark that's a good question. My curiosity has peeked, hope someone answers. 👍
@@coolhandpuke3780 Yeah I was a little confused, he talked about how they have so much more grip than a motorcycle so surely they should be putting the biggest engines possible?
Hopefully someone responds.
So, the sidecars used at the TT are F2 sidecars which are powered by 600cc inline 4 engines or the 675cc 3 cylinder Triumph engine. Up until a couple of years ago the world championship (held on short circuits like motogp or wsb use) F1 sidecars used 1000cc engines, although this has been reduced to 600cc to try and boost participant numbers. F2 chassis have always been favoured at the TT anyway due to their shorter wheel base and better maneuverability. F1 chassis have the engines placed behind the rider and have a significantly longer wheel base. There was a 1000cc F1 sidecar which ran in a parade lap here at the TT a few years ago and I seem to remember it running a pretty quick lap. If you look up images/video of F1 vs F2 sidecars you'll be able to see the difference. Hope this answers your question! 👍
hakkalocken , 👌👌👌 Thanks dude 🤘
You’d think they could squeeze a 1k engine in
Thank you very much for that it is appreciated
While it will never happen, I'd like to see a sidecar category which features a platform bolted directly onto a bike, as was the case before the current "one-piece" chassis took over. Actually, when was the last time that a bike plus separate platform competed either at the IOM or in a FIM World Championship Grand Prix?
Why some engine are mounted at rear ?
Whoa,that is totaly cool i like it 😎
Thought suspension travel is a minimum of 20 mm , either way you end up rather bruised by the end of a TT race
Yeah, I agree they do have more than 10mm. Apart from the chair wheel which has no suspension at all
Yes I was confused by that. F2 spec is a minimum 20mm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidecar_TT#Formula_Two_Sidecar_TT_Specifications
@J T the brick When I was racing and I'm sure its the same now we used to run pretty low tyre pressures, something like 12 PSI so I guess the tyres also act as suspension.
What I don't understand, is why they use an angled Steering Head (giving a Rake Angle), when they don't use Tele Forks.
The angled steering head causes the front wheel to self centre, if it did not do that it would be far too twitchy to ride.
Why put the shifting on the right and the braking on the left? I would prefer it the opposite and be more comfortable shifting like the way I used to race bikes!
I've had a design for a bike and it basically looks like these. Without the extra wheel and side. Why not get sport bikes that low???
Too low CoG will push the front end more under braking. And you won't be able to lean it as far as the wide parts of the engine will touch down.
Interesting...
The sidecar today is a just 3/4 of the whole car.
Mid `70s a designer / racer .Who I watched at 1977 TT`s had an outfit that good the passenger was really,just ballast.F.I.M banned it.
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No wonder they work on their own machines I don't think I would trust anyone else to repair something I'm hanging off the back of like that at those speeds
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