Baby, Come Back! - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Baby Arc Part 12
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Dragon Ball GT escalates its Baby problem. The series returns to Earth to present its most important moment: Vegeta shaving off his mustache. As Baby slowly takes control of all the good guys, Goku, Pan, Trunks, and Giru are demoted to B-plots in their own show! Also, it's time for the 1996 Dragon Ball Fashion Extrrravaganza!
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I was definitely not a fan of GT’s English dub, but I think I speak for many when I say that “moo-stache” is the accepted pronunciation for Vegeta’s facial hair.
In my opinion the English dub is great!!!
@@quanmfsanchez411 Which English dub?
I can't hear "moo-stache" without thinking of TeamFourStar's song.
@@JLuisJoni lol that's definitely where TFS got it from. Vegeta being the only one who pronounces it like that.
@@BagOfMagicFoodLikely he's referring to the Funimation dub.
Oh God i never even thought about the possibility of having Baby Vegeta with that haircut and mustaches and now it's an image that will never leave my mind
Imagine if Vegeta decided to change his look _after_ Baby was taken out, to try to distance himself from everything that happened.
Or Golden Ozaru Baby with a mustache😂
I have to see some fan art of it immediately.
Gotta agree, GT Vegeta is by far best Vegeta... well actuality Namek Vegeta is best Vegeta, when he was both remorselessly evil and cunningly pragmatic, when he was only ever an ally of reluctant necessity. GT Vegeta is a damn close second though and the first time he actually felt genuinely reformed.
It could be argued that his upcoming possession by Baby just makes this all a retread of Majin Vegeta, but it's the contrast in both the setup and execution that makes the GT version work so much better.
GT Goten is unironically my favorite version of Goten. He’s distinct from his family, he’s independent from Trunks, and he appears more badass to me than GT Trunks. The way he interacts with Palace is also funny.
GT Gotens Character is Peak Goten
Same. he actually has a personality!
@@KaiserMattTygore927 yeah he's unique
also his hair is imo the BEST male hair design outside of goku for the saiyans
Agreed i love GT goten
The reason the writing doesn't work is because the writers forgot about continuity. Actions should follow what has come before. Actions that take place now should have consequences. Chi-Chi slapping Goten over being impolite makes sense but it doesn't follow the idea of everyone being here because they're concerned Goten got injured. I'll bet the writer thought "Goten arrived home and family was there" first and not "Family is there because Goten was injured" until later. While it's easy to argue this is a consequence of poor planning, I agree with your assertion. This is a result of the writers trying to meet a deadline and prioritizing the important events while thinking about how to connect them later.
Exactly!
I love GT Vegeta. Not only is he hilarious, he's exactly where a post-Z Vegeta /would/ be at after going through his growth at the end of the Buu stuff. He still has an ego and a weird-space-warrior-dude mindset, but they actually followed through on him setting aside the Goku-shaped chip on his shoulder. Unlike in Super, where I dunno I guess it's just easier to write "argh rargh I will surprass Kakarot" forever and ever.
Even his clothing is more badass with a complete black civilian rather than the blue tokusatsu uniform from the aliens
GT Vegeta is cool wish he was more involved in the Story
I absolutely love how over-protective and spoiling of his daughter Vegeta has become. She's literally daddy's little princess. We even get a few hints of that in Super after she's born.
I wish they did more with Bulla,like possibly make her a fashion designer and or a scholar under the possible mentorship of Gohan,so she can get him some better clothes.
She is literally a princess, though.
overprotective? i feel like he had a pretty reasonable reaction to some creepy 45 year old men trying to mess with his daughter lol
just ripped off their steering wheel and left
Love how you can see Vegeta's development through his relationship with his children.
With Future Trunks he's distant and abusive. Only at the very end of the arc does he show that he cares.
With Present Trunks he's much better. He hugs him, promises to go to the park with him (which he actually does in Super) but there's still some distance between them (after hugging him he beats him unconcious lol)
With Bra he wants to be there when she's born, he shaves his moustache to impress her, and beats up some creeps trying to hit on her.
i love Vegeta's Development with his Children
Inconsistent writing from different episode production crews can always lead to plot inconsistencies when telling a continuous story, no matter the production, but especially with Dragon Ball. GT and Super both have the problem, and both had some interesting ideas when it came to what they wanted to tell.
Isn't Super entirely made in house by Toei and its subsidiaries?
Super could be so bad at keeping a consistent narrative thread, especially toward the end of TOP.
Frieza takes a savage beating before being knocked aside, seemingly out cold but not out of the ring. The expectation is that should be setup for a dramatic return later, but no, he actually returns rather casually only to be pushed off screen again to setup for the actual dramatic reveal.
Or there is Vegeta, who after going all out defeating Toppo with an attack that was explicitly said to drain all his ki leaving him seemingly helpless at the end of one episode, but then at the start of the next he just powers back up into his fancy new blue evolution form and trades punches with Jiren like it was no big deal, and it's only after all that his attacks start to slowly lose effectiveness and he's eventually eliminated.
There are times when it just fell like you could skip half the episodes, and not only would the story be better pased, it would make more sense.
@@EmeralBookwiseTOP really does suffer from that.... it's tiring honestly
@@EmeralBookwiseIt was hilariously unpredictable though. Like people were constantly going on about 17 still being in despite nothing hinting towards it. Like where else would he be? Though somehow it does feel like the writers semi-forgot about him then used him for a dramatic reveal... So maybe they're not too unlike Toriyama as we claim.
While the whole Chichi slapping Goten has unfortunate implications if you think about it, i found it funny because of how out of nowhere it comes.But hey at the least Gohan gets sometime in the future a hairstyle that he doesn't share with Yamcha!
Fun fact we see here that Baby Gohan evaporates Piccolo(and Goten who Piccolo holds) yet next episode Goten is okay and Piccolo isn't talked about like he never existed till we learn later that he did survive Baby's attack but is injured(despite the fact he can regenerate) and it turns out Piccolo didn't even bother to warn Goku or anybody else!
The whole scene seems to have been inserted purely for the shock value Gohan "betraying" his beloved childhood mentor. It's arguably the most out of character thing Gohan could possibly do, and in that respect is actually very effective at establishing what kind of monster Baby is.
The biggest problem is that it goes a bit too hard and later episodes just ignore the consequences.
Well with the black star dragon balls, as long we know they are still active Piccolo would always have to be alive. But yeah how ironic that this whole story started with his own dragon balls and Piccolo has barely any screen time.
Yeah that Piccolo scene was weird.
Oh my god, Pan's Video Diary is such a great idea for a recurring bit! It has so much potential to endear pan to the audience while acting as a relaxed moment that provides character to the ship traveling the gang does. Now I'm going to be forever heartbroken that it was only used once...
It was ahead of it's tine before bloggers and influencers
Okay you didn’t talk about the gag where Baby considers Chichi to be an actual threat to himself due to Goten knowing not to make her angry
And now I’m sad because that gag is great.
(Personally I like the entire scene leading up to Baby Goten vs Gohan but meh)
Also. I’d just like to present an idea to you about Baby previously taking over bodies without waiting for them to be full power.
Remember Ginyu. He took over Goku’s body but was unable to draw out his full power.
It’s possible that Baby needs his Saiyan hosts (or any host with a decent chunk of power) to be at max potential to fully utilize their body to their full potential.
I know you mentioned Trunks but the lack of taking Trunks at his full potential could also be a reason why Baby was driven out of him at the time.
As for Gohan not being infected through a cut. I just saw that as a visual cue to being taken over and that he still seeped in through Gohan’s countless wounds all over his body. I mean. He literally turns into a goopy face of himself as he takes over Gohan so I find that hard to take completely literally.
I just love the fact that Goku and Chichi's style of "parenting" has given their children exactly one goal in life.
"Someone around here has got to be normal and it might as well be me."
Goten's direction is straight up becoming like the common people of Dragon Ball's Earth. Give him a few months and he sure will forget about Ki, Piccolo or anything martial arts related.
@@MsDarkz123 When your father's lifestyle, as kind and loving as he is, takes him away from home for months or years at a time, leaves your entire family in the midst of violent life or death struggles AND leaves your blessed mother a trembling, worried mess.
You tend to want to break that cycle when you grow up
@@samwill7259 Yeah, too bad the alternative is everyone dying
i really love the different Paths Gohan and Goten take as Adults
I'm pretty sure the intention with Palace is that she's supposed to be a sheltered rich girl, not actually dumb. Ojou-sama type characters not knowing what peasant food like hamburgers are is a really common joke scene in anime.
You are indeed very much correct.
I guess that doesn't translate well to western audiences since our rich scumbags also eat fast food garbage like everyone else.
Piccolos 10 seconds always seemed so shameless to me
They arent even pretending that hes gonna be important in any way
Watching this along with Super, It’s very clear that the writing is less consistent due to there being multiple writers with deadlines and not having a manga to work off of like they have when making OG Dragon Ball and Z.
Not saying that Dragon Ball was always consistent or sometimes make mistakes but at least it felt more consistent since it was all written by the same author from the beginning to the end of the Majin Boo arc. To me, this shows how writing can falter when there isn’t someone in charge to properly watch over to make corrections and prevent any inconsistencies, especially for a long-running series that is very serialized.
But I can’t really blame them too much since I can understand the predicament they were in writing a series without the main author and having to work on a weekly deadline so these things do happen. But I do enjoy watching these I can’t wait to see more of these DBD videos!
The whole multiple writers problem is more serious in DBS, as in GT there's only 2 writers.
The fact that Arc System Works didn't make Moostache Vegeta as an alternate skin in FighterZ is criminal.
"who peaked in Highschool" the best description of vegeta towards vegeta fans
Goten's girlfriend is a complete bimbo...
Surprised she's not a Gyaru to make ChiChi freak out
I don't think Videl get's to bimbo levels to be honest. (I know I know you probably meant Goten's)
@@MsDarkz123 yes Goten but can you blame me? They look so similar? ;) (correcting of post)
i actually think Vegeta acts more like a good person than in Super. In Super, during the ToP, he is still letting his pride get the better of him, and refuses to give ki to the genkidama, while in GT, he takes a shortcut to ssj4, even though it's not "honorable", because its simply the best choice he has at the time to protect the universe.
Super's take is different. We get to see him being a Dad to an earlier family, especially around Bra's birth. In the manga he spends more time reflecting on some of his sins and handling that pride.
Super is slowly inching closer to End of Z as well, so how he's presented here doesn't necessarily contradict Super's interpretation. Ultimately, Super is more dedicated to keeping Vegeta as a rival, albeit a much friendlier one, to Goku
@@Personaless How dare you give a logical explanation and not just trash on Super!
You also ignore the fact that Vegeta protected Goku when Ribrianne was going to attack him during that same spirit bomb sequence. If Vegeta really cared so much about his "pride", he would've just let Ribrianne attack Goku.
Super Vegeta didn't give his genki for the Genki Dama, but he did knock Ribrianne down when she tried to snipe Goku while he was powering it up, he was just being his typical tsundere self at that point (or maybe he wanted to save HIS own energy, who knows). GT Vegeta is a lot more mature than Super Vegeta, but it makes sense he isn't because he's still learning.
Not only did Vegeta take a shortcut to SS4, he did so knowing full it wouldn't help him surpass Goku, but rather bring them close enough to equal to make fusion an option. GT Vegeta is full on team player, and I love it.
I do like that gt progress vegeta into being full committed to earth while still feeling like vegeta. I like gt goten as he does feel like his own person unlike how he is not just following around trunks. he does feel chill and able to talk handle girls/city life better than gohan so i think it was a good idea to separate goten and trunks for the arc.
GT Vegeta is best Vegeta. He’s reached the end of his character arch and has fully matured into the best tryhard-cool dad ever.
Now, I can't stop thinking about Vegeta with a moustache.
Vegetas redesign reminds me of tommy oliver cutting his hair in power rangers dino thunder.
Clearly the 13th month is the 'mmm' that the Cell Games took place on.
Cell knows the calendar more than us.
Man, if you like fashion you should read JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. All the characters are dripping with style, and the author Hirohiko Araki went on to do illustrations for Gucci.
Didn't Trunks powering up help expel Baby? Maybe them already being powered up helps him in successfully taking them over. Can write the boy, doc and human as being weak. 🤷🏻♂
Unfortunately, it's never stated outright, but that would have been the best explanation. By taking them over at their strongest, Baby can infiltrate their cellular structure more deeply, both preventing later expulsion and being able to access their memories. It could have made for a great escalation, but alas, without out any explanation, it comes across as inconsistencies instead.
@@EmeralBookwise I guess the idea is "If they're already expelling their maximum energy, he can appropriately adjust to the output and they also can't draw upon any excess reserves and force him out." or something along those lines.
I always thought Goten was underdeveloped in DBZ, but I don’t mind GT’s Goten. I think in the Super manga they’re making him a bit more witty and smart and I appreciate that take too, he’s smart, but not in the same way Gohan was/is.
Honestly I liked the mustache. It was the flattop that Toei needed to ditch. I know that Vegeta keeping the mustache but going back to his original hair style, could make him look too much like King Vegeta, but I think it might have been an interesting thematic touch. Like the longer we live, the more we become our parents. It could even play into the greater theme generations past mistakes coming back to bite future generations in the butt.
Saiyans' hair doesnt grow back...but yeah, they should've kept the moustache.
@@Jose-se9pu I just thought their hair didn’t change?
@@R.J.Godzilla81it doesn't change as in vegeta hair will go back to normal but won't get longer
Is it confirmed Toriyama really wanted Vegeta to have the mustache? It could be he had the idea of characters joke about them in mind while drawing them.
"Honestly I liked the mustache. It was the flattop that Toei needed to ditch. I"
This entirely. I said this to myself during the video.
i always saw the new rule for baby's possession as he learning for possessing Trunks. He lost control of Trunks when he truned super saiyan, so baby decided to possess saiyans when theyre already transformed. of course this didnt last when Trunks returned to earth, but at the time it made some sense.
16:55 i think Mistare didn't have "tiger parents" growing up. I laugh at this scene because Chi Chi reminds me a lot of my mother. Wow, now that i stopped to think about what i just said, i think i might have issues lol
I have always liked these episodes of DBGT, that start out like a sitcom with all the comedy and seeing their everyday lives, like seeing Goten go on dates or Bulla telling Vegeta his mustache was lame. 😊
I’ll still place Valese/Palace higher than Maron. At least the former is interested in learning more instead of being a total ditz.
I prefer Goten’s end of Z haircut but his GT purple pants are where it’s at.
I guess I'm the only one that prefers this Goten haircut. I don't care if it's dumb, it goes hard.
12:22 Maybe she grew up in a very strict vegan household, and her parents never told her about dairy products and meat, but she knows all about vegetables.
That's my headcanon now.
Honestly her understanding Dragon Ball name puns makes her wife material for that alone.
I love the characterization for most of the cast here, even Toei trying to make Vegeta look as "cool" as possible is hilarious in an unintentional way. That scene with Chichi slapping Goten is definitely really messy and bad though, definitely seems like the writers had different ideas of what they wanted the scene to be and they never picked a lane. Even so, this is where I think the arc really takes off. I even like the juxtaposition of the silliness going on combined with the sinister horrific background threat that no one is aware of except the audience, helps emphasize a sense of corruption, taking a good thing and twisting it into something unsettling and a majority of it works really well.
They were watching Gundam and decided to copy Bright's tactics
My interpretation of Toriyama’s design of mustache Vegeta. I believe he was intended to be a “retired from battle” Japanese father type. He looks slight, and his hair and mustache scream “middle aged husband” to me. It was only after they decided to be more “Z” that the hair was finessed to be spikey, the mustache came off, and he looked formidable physically again. Shaved vegeta always felt like a retcon of Episode 2 vegeta, to me.
I think it's just a difference in creative priorities. Toriyama, as MistareFusion points out often, holds no iconography sacred. He has no problem changing characters and growing them and throwing out absolutely vital parts of their design to try something different. So yeah, he probably wanted Vegeta to undergo a similar transformation and would've made that look just as iconic as his other looks.
Toei on the other hand just wants to squeeze as much familiarity and imagery out of the original manga/anime as they possibly can, which is why Super Vegeta has completely regressed visually to his Cell Saga look.
Honestly I can't imagine anyone being hyped or excited for this kind of Piccolo appearance. Like what is even the point? When I say that GT picked up some of the worst of Z, I mean stuff like this. Secondary characters will often appear and talk big only to get defeated immediately, and GT in particular loved abusing that trope. And you're supposed to get very, very surprised and very, very impressed with the villain's power every single time it happens...
The way Piccolo was killed in this episode was what put me off GT as a kid, since he was always my favourite.
Don't worry they will retcon his death in this episode so they can kill him again!
@@Thisdude850With an incredibly assaine way that was extremely unnecessary. Man Toei really hated Piccolo.
@@Thisdude850 oh goodie, hooray.
Part 13 continues the streak of being "Bejita screws everything up"
At least this time, he actually isn't doing it willing.
After this video and all the design discussions I kinda noticed something, that there are basically no Brunettes (Brown haired people) in the core DB cast. Sure, Vegeta would often have Brownish highlights in the anime and his King dad has that color in full, but it's more Auburn to me. That's very odd considering how common that hair color usually is in general. Maybe that's what happens when almost all Saiyans are set to have Black hair as default. But even then, many major earthling characters have Black hair too, both before and after Saiyans were introduced.
Not counting transformations, Dragon Ball hair colors in general really have that odd balance between some Blondes, plenty of Black haired people, a few Redheads here and there (such as Commander Red, Suno, Recoom and N16) and all the weird stuff like Blue, lots of White (of the young, old and alien variety), Purple, a bit of Green (like Zarbon and more recently Granolah) and multiple straight up balds; but no Brunettes as far as I remember. So because of this, some anime original Brunettes like Palace in this arc and Cocoa in that Great Saiyaman movie filler episode of the Super anime stand out quite a bit more imo. Palace's sheltered rich girl personality might leave a bit to be desired to some, but I think she is one of the better original designs from GT regardless; and she does match very well with probably the most "non-reliant on Trunks or Goku" and independent Goten we've ever had (at least until the Super Hero prologue of the Super manga, though I don't remember much of it so my memory's a bit fuzzy on that). And since I'll most likely not have the chance to bring it up for a very long time I have to say that said Cocoa girl from Super that I mentioned before reminds me a lot of Sailor Jupiter. Very similar ponytaled brunette hairstyles in Toei productions; she was only missing the green eyes for a near identcal match.
Did Videl's hair start off brown, or did I just imagine that?
Vegeta's hair is drawn brown to be fair. It's just a very dark brown, so most of the time outside of the cels you can barely even tell. Especially combined with the color degradation present on all of the home releases, Dragon Box in particular, and the less than stellar video quality we've had to work with over the years, everything gets messy.
I'M SO HAPPY THE FASHION EXTRAVAGANZA IS BACK
The English dub made an odd change, as you know originally Chi-Chi's reaction to Vegeta's Moostache was silent, but in the aEnglish dub they add lines from Bulma asking Chi-Chi if she notices anything different about him, changing the context into Chi-Chi not being able to see any difference in him.
I'm guessing Bulma was able to examine Vegeta's hair between the events of end of Z to the Baby Saga in order to create barber tools strong enough to cut full blooded Saiyan hairs as we see Vegeta having two different hairstyles in GT as well as shaving away mustaches permanently.
Also on a different note, what would GT have gone different if Vegeta was to go into space with Goku and Trunks to collect the Dragon Balls as the only adult, would his first interaction with Baby turn out differently before Baby heads to Earth, leaving Trunks to ask Vegeta what was going on which has Vegeta tell both Goku and Trunks the history of the Saiyan vs Tuffle war and why Baby wants revenge on the Saiyans, I think that would of made GT a little bit better which could limit the time Pan is on screen especially when it comes to the English dub
I don't think it's ever been said that Saiyan hair can't be cut? Just that it "doesn't change from they day they're born," or something like that. Personally I've always taken that to mean it'll grow back into the same length/style, not that it can't be cut or wouldn't grow back if cut.
@Yanhime97 I found this quote from Akira Toriyama himself that was posted on Kazenshuu "Incidentally, It's not that their hairstyle never changes; Nappa went bald, after all. The states of Saiyan hair are also the same as Earthlings'; its properties are just a little bit different."
I mean there have been two versions of Prince Vegeta IV's hairstyle when he was a kid, there was a version of him with bangs which somehow must of been cut before we first saw him in Z and there's a version of him without the bangs with his iconic widow'ss peak
Full blooded Saiyans unfortunately can't regrow their hair in Canon, but in the non-canon GT series, Full blooded Saiyans can regrow their hair but their hairstyle will never change.
I always thought I heard Goku say something in the original Funimation dub that his hair couldn't be cut by earthling scissors unless I'm remembering wrong
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay Has it ever been said/shown they can't regrow their hair? They don't really get their hair cut in canon material as far as I can remember so the only one I can think of as an example is Nappa and that seems to be implied as more of a male pattern baldness thing. Not that he shaved it and it never grew back.
As for the line about their hair being impossible to cut with Earth scissors. I mean.. it's a Funi dub line. I love the dub but any details like that they might add are still non-canon.
@Yanhime97 maybe, but I like to think that full blooded Saiyans would need scissors strong enough to cut their hair even if their hair will grow back to the length they had.
I wonder if Nappa went through a stressful time that caused his hair to fall out as I read stress can be one factor for hair loss whilst the other factor is genetics and male pattern baldness.
Also for the non-canon version of Kid Vegeta, what happened to his bangs between his appearance in Bardock: Father of Goku and his first introduction in Z, did he cut them off of did they fall off causing his hairline to recede, same goes for Kid Vegeta's appearance in Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods as he was shown to have his original hairstyle as a kid (the one with the bangs) but in the Super's rehash of that film, he didn't have any bangs just the widow's peak.
On another note we have Tarble who had two hairstyles, in the manga version of Yo! Son Goku and his friends return, he had Vegeta's hairstyle but in the Anime adaptation he had a bang
14:17 I was under the assumption that Baby's possesion worked like the scouters. Baby was able to posses Trunks in his base form, but was expelled the second he resisted by transforming into ssj, much like how scouters could read static power levels as high as 2nd form Frieza's 1 million but easily break against people with power levels of 20,000 because they charge up their ki too fast for it to calculate
Wasn't that because the Freeza Force had just received a new model of scouters that could handle higher levels?
@BagOfMagicFood Not really, Frieza's new scouter broke when Vegeta powered up, and that was against his 1st form. Meanwhile Frieza talks about his 2nd form's 1 million power level as if its been years since he last checked, meaning the tech would've been older. Theoretically, scouters can read anyone's power level so long as they keep it stable and don't spike it by charging/transforming
Granted I haven't watch through this in _ages,_ but as far as "Baby needs someone to be powered up to take them over" thing...
Wasn't there an earlier point where, I think, Trunks was able to force him out by turning SS?
Perhaps the idea is that, if they're _already_ in that stronger state, that makes it "easier" for him to maintain control over them.
Because there wouldn't be a sudden jump in power that he couldn't properly maintain without having to "leave".
Some of that may also be that he was much weaker those 1st few times, so by taking them over in that state it allows him to acclimate to it.
As a Piccolo fan, his 10-second appearance really soured me.
Like... why even do that? That would I would do if I hated Piccolo.
It’s for the shock value of seeing Gohan seemingly murder his child mentor.
@@ProjectSudoku Shock only happens if you're given time to process the information.
@@metalskulkbanepl161also, his animation is ugly.
I also hate that Gohan’s wound against him never heals.
There's something about the fact that Vegeta ditched his mid-life crisis in the Buu Arc for three entirely new ones that tickles my sides. Granted, calling "I'm possessed by an alien that's going to destroy the Earth" a mid-life crisis is probably a bit reductive.
Regarding Baby possessing Trunks, I suppose you could argue that he failed to take over Trunks at the time because he wasn't raising his ki and learned from the experience. I'm not sure what to make of him being able to take over other lifeforms who don't seem to be able to manipulate ki, though, unless it's Frieza Force rules and they're technically operating at peak ki performance at all times.
Finally, as far as Baby's lack of subtlety goes, I'm of two minds about it. On one hand, it would be significantly easier for him to just play subtle and get what he wants easier. On the other hand, the actual truth of what he's trying to accomplish is indiscernible to most of the characters and even if they were to figure out, he can just go about taking over the bodies of Earthlings anyway to force the hands of the characters. I suppose there is theoretically a way for things to go sour, much like Goku beats Baby out of Vegeta later, but he's probably too high on his own ego to contemplate that possibility just yet.
I get what Toriyama was going for with Moostache Vegeta, and it's a funny design, but he looks much more natural in Toei's second design. You can believe thats tbe sort of outfit he wear after settling on Eart for so long.
Yeah the second design is the perfect look for a post-Z Vegeta, showing that he’s fully adapted to earth but still retains his sense of taste
The Goten scene is really weird because it's so easy to come up with a way to hit the exact same beats. Baby-Goten comes home, is rude, Chichi yells at him a bit, Gohan comes back, chastises Goten, Baby-Goten goes 'oh yeah this guy ruined my date, ruined my shirt, and i didnt even get a decent fight, i'm all worked up, sorry mom,' Gohan offers to help him work out the stress, they fly off, done. It's not amazing writing or anything but it'd take changing like 5 lines. Iunno how they arrived at the setup they did.
"Vegeta's mustache ride" 😑
Anyway!
4:13 Videl has no mouth yet she must scream.
I will say Vegeta tends to wear casual clothing very well, even in Super when we see moments where he's wearing button shirts it looks good on him.
19:36 nah, that’s just a thing brothers do on occasion.
14:20 I think the point here is that them NOT using their Ki gives them enough power to overpower Baby later. Its like fighting someone right after their workout. They technically have a pump, but they would be way less capable than if you fought them before the workout.
Oh, one more thing: I think using Pan's diary would have been great as a recap episode. Have her retell the initial stages of the arc as she makes the video for her parents at home. It would make a later scene hit way harder and it is also a fun idea for a recap and catch everyone up before Baby fully takes over.
Moustache Vegeta is sincerely my favorite Vegeta design
Cartoon birds represent confusion and a potential concussion, not pain LMAO
Yeah this is where gt feels most like its written by committee, except the committee isnt in the same room amd each member only has half of the rests phone numbers
Finally, been waiting for the Fashion Extravaganza for a long time
I dislike Videl's new hairstyle because of all those individual strands hanging over her face. That would be annoying, all those single strands touching my face, making it itch.
It's insane that I still wasn't born at this point in Dragon Ball history
And this was around when Funimation skipped ahead from Dragon Ball episode 13 to Dragon Ball Z!
I was 1 or 2 at this point. (Depends on the time of year but I'm assuming 1.
Facts 😂
You know if team four-star was still doing the series and got to this in GT! I could see three sequences getting rewritten. And the family dynamic scene is definitely getting rewritten. Maybe adding some details with chi chi, complaining about her second child not focusing on his studies this cetera dynamics. Maybe goten saying a naughty word, that warrants the whole being slapped in the face and getting a concussion! Just some variety of things maybe a few edits possibly switching around the whole her hitting first! Then again maybe this is the real reason why they decided to stop doing the whole a bridge series and it has nothing to do with the movie that they were setting up for that they had no way of making it funny without derailing the villain whatsoever! [look the pirate captain is really hard to make funny and be the central focus of the plot when the movie itself loses the plot of him and focuses on {Hercules} Mr. Satan]
Hello Mr. MistareFusion, i don't know if you're gonna read this but that doesn't matter. i began watching your videos three years ago and you've brought me a lot of joy, you helped me during some very difficult times, and now you're doing it again, every time you upload i know it's gonna be a fun time, even now, in one of my darkest periods of my life, i can always count on you tu bring a smile to my face, thank you very much
Hi. I very much did read this. I'm so sorry that you are going through such a dark period, but I'm very glad my videos have managed to bring you some level of joy. That's certainly one of the best compliments I could ever hope to receive. And honestly, this has been a very difficult week for me, so the timing of that compliment couldn't have been better. I really needed to hear something like that today. So for what it's worth, if my videos buoy you up, your comment did the same for me. I love that this underscores that kindness and joy can't be used up. When it's passed around, it grows! I hope your dark period leads to one of joy and fulfillment.
GT Vegeta is peak Vegeta.
Any attempt by Toei to use Vegeta after GT is simply regressing him so that he has to learn the same lesson over and over again.
Vegeta learning from other techniques in Super, vegeta actively showing remorse and fights for the sake of the namekians... vegeta instead of fighting Granola with the intent to win, fought him with the intent to save him because he was a negative reflection of himself? Okay... let's not be disingenuous. If anything vegeta benefitted the most out of anyone post Z.
@@lordraiden7397 I said "Toei," almost everything you're saying right now is exclusive to the manga (and it came very late... Almost after half a decade of its publication). In the DBS anime, Vegeta keeps constantly whining for validation, whining about not being as strong as Goku, whining about having to fuse, whining about having to collaborate with Goku (jeez... even in the Tournament of Power, they had to make it "a big deal" for Vegeta to reluctantly give Goku what was left of his energy before being eliminated...).
I don't deny that there are some redeeming elements (like taking Trunks to the amusement park, defending Bulma from Beerus, becoming a pseudo-mentor to Cabba, and giving food to the survivors of the future), but essentially, he continued to be the same egoistic crybaby obsessed with surpassing Goku and having a chronic need for validation. This doesn't reflect much on his epiphany at the end of the Buu arc where he accepted that Son Goku is number one (something they considered in GT).
Yes mustache mid life crisis Vegeta is amazing lol. The outfit is cool and I thought was a cool new take. Satan reminds me of Hulk Hogan in the late 90s with the balding.
You know, I think I might have been mentally downplaying you talking about Chi-Chi slapping Goten a bit. Maybe because she's just a regular human compared to everyone else being superhuman. But actually seeing the scene play out in motion with Goten actually slamming into the furniture and going flying a pretty fair distance from his mother sure was an unpleasant surprise! Good grief, Toei.
Thank you! I think slapstick violence can be hilarious. But so often in GT it's just framed in a way that comes across as far too realistic and mean-spirited. It's like going to a Three Stooges short and getting The Godfather.
Something you didn't mention is the how in the previous episode of Dissection, when Trunks expelled Baby, he appears to have gone SSJ and been unleashing ki.
So the idea that releasing ki actually makes it easier for Baby doesn't mesh with that.
You know regardless of Bra's age 12 or 17 like many people thought Vegeta 's reaction is normal for a dad with a daughter. You gotta feel sorry for any future boy Bra brings home to meet her parents as Vegeta would make Oscar Proud and Manny seem less strick with dating
Why are adult men hitting on a child Bra?
This is kind of the only version of Goten that's even remotely interesting as a character, I feel.
The way Baby dealed with Píccolo felt like one of those Toei movies where Goku is the only one allowed to be victorious
Oh just wait until Goku is slapping around Super 17 in base Super Saiyan form while multiple Super Saiyan 2s and Majuub can't even touch him.
ive got 2 hand waves for the swallowed dragon ball being detected
1 its just a stronger dragon radar it has been decades after all
2 the black star dragon balls may give off more radation or wtv it is the dragon radar tracks
Only the anime writers hate Chi-chi more than Dragonball fans.
Haha, it certainly seems so.
You've never met Dicasty.
Glad I woke up early enough to catch this
"MOUSTAAACHE!"
Moustache?
Didn't Tracksuit Gohan have bangs lol
Yeah! And I like tracksuit Gohan!
26:14 …why wouldn’t Baby want to possess Piccolo? I’ll put my head canon aside, because I would guess that Piccolo might be stronger than Goten, who probably stopped training consistently… and maybe never did. Gohan was holding back against him. But whatever. Isn’t Piccolo still at least the fourth strongest being on this planet at this point?
My personal idea is that the opponent powering up just makes an easier opening because they're open
13:15
I mean to be fair. The dbz cast is kinda spoiled by the dragon balls reversing any and all consequences.
Even with them currently gone. Goten probably just assumes they can reverse any damage done later
"You can blame it all on me"
I was wrong
And I just can't live without you.
@@MistareFusion ooooooooo
8:38 PTA joke works well right now lol
Vegeta took the mustache idea from his Dad.
Either if Chi-Chi just gave Goten a slap (or 2), because he was rude, it would've been fine, heck easily fit with her character. But how would she manage 2 give him a beat down is weird.
I feel like you've been saying this is the worst written in dragons ball a lot recently
It’s not it’s well written for something coming out the 90s
I love that GT lets its cast age but not gracefully
They could have EASILY taken route of making them look like cool fighting game old people like elderly martial arts masters but instead said, no we got midlife crisis going on, lame dads, played out 90s haircuts etc. Again it would have been very easy to make Krillan look like a cool martal arts master with like a long flowing beard and going back to the bald look but now because he just.... is bald and make him look really wise but not in a master roshi way. but no, Krillan looks like a dude who has been working at the same bank for 32 years.
My only issue is besides a tan, before Goku grows down, he looks the same. I respect wanting to keep him looking traditionally cool, but I wish he at least had wrinkles like bulma and Chichi who have aged pretty well. They look old and they look like time hasn't been kind but they don't look "lame" and I like that for them specifically
To be fair about Goku's lack of aging pre wish, I think it was already established that Saiyans stay young for much longer than humans. Plus he has stayed quite a long time in the afterlife, further stalling any signs of aging. I recall that one basically has to be DBS Paragus old (like, 70-80 years I guess?) to finally start growing old. Idk, I don't recall the original run of DB introducing any elderly Saiyans directly other than the old Goku gag manga artwork.
And the approach taken with the GT designs kinda makes sense in the context of the time, as they've been in peaceful times for like 15 years so any serious martial arts training felt unnecessary to many of them. They've spent much more time doing standard civilian life. Though maybe Toriyama just wanted to subvert expectations, he certainly did just that to Toei staff considering their reaction to his mid life crisis Vegeta design.
And yet, the Master Krillin concept you mentioned has been showcased quite often through fanarts. Like, it makes so much sense as Roshi's longtime student and as someone who spent a lot of time in his house. I'm surprised it (iirc) wasn't brought up as part of the extended lore of DB Online for example, since that game did mention that Tenshinhan started a new Crane martial arts school, and was even featured in the Super anime. Guess Krillin is totally fine with staying as a family man and I don't blame him given everything he went through.
@@KremBotop I repect the Saiyans dont get old stuff, I really do, but I just think of Vegeta who is around the same age as Goku who is part of the "Wow you have gotten old" crew
I don't know how to manifest that for Goku but... it would be nice.
and yeah I love Krillan being just an old dude. Im sure they could find a way to make Krillan both a lame old dude and a cool martial arts master like... a NEW Turtle school where its not like Tenshinhan who is in the mountains training guys who want to be the best, but like.... normal people who just want a fun safe environment to learn self defence and discipline and self esteem
1:51 Yeah I really dont get that. We know the Dragon Radar can find a Dragon ball at the bottom of the ocean, not to mention inside buildings and caves. How does a stonach sheild it? I guess King Piccolo might have some not-actually-demon magic or something but its just weird.
I'm surprised you didnt bring up Goten's new 45 degree angle hair style. You'd forget this kid used to look exactly like Goku.
I actually like Vegetas GT outfit. Its basically the closest casual Earth equivalent to his old sayian uniform.
Well, the idea that an eaten DB can't be found isn't based around Piccolo swallowing them. It's not even brought up then. That's from the late Red Ribbon Arc when the last Dragon Ball can't be found. Blooma suggests that something may have eaten it, as the waves emitted by the ball would be blocked. In practice, that idea is never actually used, as the ball is instead blocked by a special Pilaf box. But I agree it's an odd, desperate attempt at science.
@@MistareFusion Well when it gets to the point that the Radar can now pick up a signal from lightyears in space, the idea of blocking a signal starts to feel way less plausible. Maybe if the idea was Giru is a super upgraded and improved versiin of the old radar that be plausible. Love your videos btw.
@@MistareFusion Unless we're to believe that Pilaf constructed the box from stomach linings!
Did not realize until now that Vegeta had a Freddie Mercury 'stache. Now it makes it even more memorable.
You correctly call them adhesive bandages instead of incorrectly calling them Band-Aids? It's so refreshing to find someone who is open-minded and shows such a clear desire to learn and improve. I love how you correctly pronounce names too. Keep up the good work!
I certainly try my best! Thanks!
It makes so little sense to imply that someone needs to have a cut and/or power up for him to hijack them. They very clearly have nostrils very close to the brain and a mouth, which is often talking or telling among the Saiyans
I suppose the conceit is that getting directly into the bloodstream makes things easier for Baby to infect someone, as opposed to going via the respiratory system. It's an association that does help to further the idea of him being a parasite.
I've been confused by the Piccolo scene for years. Did they knock him out until the final episode of the arc for real o was he forgotten? I'm not even sure what he does.
I'm ok with Goten's design (maybe not the clothing) , Gohan is a big no. Blue Baby... I like more tiny gray Baby. But its better than Baby Vegeta Final phase.
The most confusing part is this is the last time we see him until his heroic sacrifice at the end of this arc, and during that scene they show he got wounded by Baby Gohan's Kamehame-ha. And this arc goes on for a pretty long time (migrating the Earth population to Planet Tsuful probably took a long time), also adding in the 2 weeks they have left until Earth explodes after they defeat Baby, so was Piccolo bleeding out from his injury for 2+ weeks?
Right? xD
@@ThelronFjordthat fact that at the beginning of the episode Bulma and Chichi comment on how Earth will explode in 4 months, implies that Piccolo had that injury (which was still bloody) for that amount of time.
3:44 fun characters interactions the time skips and people getting older um um.m
Not sure what you mean right now unfortunately >
New videooooooo, love ya man keep it up
Mister MistareFusion, is it okay if I tell you about something that I'd really like to hear you mention in your Super 17 GT Disecction videos? It's a minor thing, but I think it's really interesting!
You're certainly welcome to say whatever you'd like!
@@MistareFusion There's a small mistake in the Super Android 17 storyline that I've never seen anybody mention. In the story several past villains return to Earth from Hell, however one of them is Staff Officer Black. And the reason that's weird is because as you may remember we already saw him back in some filler for the Boo arc alongside Red directing a movie. This would seem to imply that Black and Red had been reincarnated. So how can Black still be in Hell, and have been reincarnated at the same time! Bet ya never thought of that one before, eh?
@@d-manthecaptain1382 That's certainly an interesting way to interpret that, but I admit it's not how I see it. I don't think it's intended that Red and Black have reincarnated into identical new bodies. It's just a silly visual callback. Besides, even if that were the case, they'd have to be in their early 20s at best, and they both look quite a bit older than that. Thanks for making me look at this in a different way, though.
@@MistareFusion Sure!
I like Gohan with short hair. He can redesign it, but I prefer it short.
Would of loved an entire episode of Fashion Extravaganza 😔
Maybe it's time to remake the Baby concept in the super manga, and somewhere, a monkey's finger just curl and it doesn't know why.
Also, the final arc of Dragon Ball should be Omega Shenron, because that just make sense.
If you watch GT in Japanese, a lot of the dialogue is actually different than the English translated versions. Even when it comes down to the motivation of characters. Dragon Ball Z was also like this, like they made Vegeta very different in Dragon Ball Z when he was dubbed.
Well, just in case you don't know, Dragon Ball Dissection exclusively analyzes Dragon Ball based on its original Japanese version. I've never even seen GT in English.
@MistareFusion so you've never stepped into the grand tour?
@@MistareFusion I watched the first episode when it was new, just to see the changes to the beginning I'd heard were coming, but I think I'll save the rest for when I have time to do a great Dragon Ball rewatch that includes all of Funimation's first picks of voice actors and replacement soundtracks. Well, I did listen to a remix of their Para Para dance music recently too...
@@benjaminpeters6729 DRAGON BALL GT! 🎶
yay piccolo still looks the same
Baby back rips on the back and for a limited time only!
Great video. I love mustache vegeta, anyone with Bra as a daughter must be a dad 100% of time. Love the fashion reviews (hence my bulma's outfit. I also think they missunderstood some of toriyama's design and that Goten is a male bimbo. We share so many views haha but chichi ain't stupid
How dare you compare the 'do of the great Goten-sama to that of the lowly pauper Yamcha.
Imagine if Vegeta never shaved his moustache and after Baby takes over his body he just has it in every scene
Incredible
They could've also pretty easily have had Baby take over and shave the mustache because even baby hates it.
I shudder at the thought of defending GT but the whole Chichi scene was unfairly judged imo. To phrase it similar to you:
Chichi being worried about Gotens well-being only to hurt him herself is funny. Chichi being more concerned about Gotens politeness than the brothers ready to throw down is funny.
The Goku argument is moot because she never cared about his education and yes, super strenght *is* an excuse for abuse as it's akin to a flick to the forehead.
I hate Toeis flanderization of Chichi as much as anyone else but I think you misinterpreted a wholly comedic scene that you would defend in other situations.
Can we take a moment to recognize how ugly every character model is now, and that (not even taking age into account) they look nothing like the designs in earlier Z? We're not just talking more angular eyes, although of course that's a part of it. Eyes are small, noses are huge, smile/scowl lines are in every expression, heads are super wide, pupils (of males) are huge, etc. Again, forgetting about age, compare Chichi at 18:33 to Chichi at 18:43. They are simply not the same person...