Rugby's GREATEST XV of ALL TIME
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If you’re not a fan of my choices, I’ve made a more updated one for the professional era here: ua-cam.com/video/KMtzWHO6HF8/v-deo.html
Hey that link says the video is not available?
ye the video is unavailable
also you say professional era but you can not leave gareth edwards out of that 9 spot he is the best by miles
@@alfiebibby796 But it's on the professional era?
@@AndrewDavidForde ok ye why is your new vid unavailable?
And the best rugby commentator of all time - Bill McLaren RIP.
Mike Dennehy Cliff Morgan for me :-)
My favorite English speaking commentator: Greg Nisbett.
Hugh Bladen
“Mehrtens with the kick” from Jonah Lomu rugby on ps one anyone?
Hes a big man ..14 stone of sheer enjoyment !!
Francois Pienaar wasn't even the best South African flank in his days, let alone the best number 6 of all time. He was in the team due to his great leadership, not because of his abilities. Similar to John Smit keeping Bismarck du Plessis out the side. Players shouldn't be picked into this side due to nostalgic reasons, but how good they actually were. I would personally replace a few of them, however you got some spot on. I am South African by the way.
Bismark kept Bismark out of the side, because Bismark might have been a better player but he wasn't a better hooker. (If this confuses you, just imagine Heinrich Brussow on the wing - great in general play but falling short of his 'wing' duties). He also was renowned for being a self centred egotistical player and both PdV and HM had trouble with him. How many tantrums did he throw when he was substituted, refusing to leave the field or standing next to the touchline in line with the play? When we lost to Japan, his (among others) failure to follow the game plan, preferring to take matters into his / their own hands was given as part of the reason.
South Africans love him because of his abrasive aggressive nature but truth be told, him and his brother cost us far more than they gave us. Sad but true.
@@Karma-qt4ji But then we are having a smilier situation at Hooker now then? Marx might be a great player but can't even throw a ball in straight which inevitably costs his teams big matches. However, the Bismarck comment was only to give an example of how better players might be sidelined due to the fact that the captain, who is an incredible leader, just happens to be taking their place. Which, going back to the video, is why I am fully against Pienaar being included.
@@Anonymous-rw9ie I agree with you on Pienaar. Re Bismark, I don't even rate him as the best hooker SA ever had, let alone the world. Think Uli Schmidt, John Smit (2003-2007 specifically but not exclusively), Chris Rossouw (the unheard of Transvaal replacement who ended up finishing the 1995 RWC when Dalton was dropped), Lucas von Biljon and Malcolm Marx, just to name a few. Marx is a little off at the moment, but he is a class player who leaves everything on the field for his team mates, not himself. That's the difference. To excel in a team, you need to see yourself as a part of that team and Bismark never did.
@@Karma-qt4ji Yea Bismarck probably isn't our best ever hooker, however, post 2007 World Cup, the number 2 jersey should have been his regarding ability, however having John Smit's leadership on the field was a big need which is why it was good that Smit did start instead. Especially during 2009's big year.
I thought Pienaar was the weakest choice. But these teams always are a bit of a lottery. I thought all but one player having played in the professional era was a bigger weakness. But every player here is a true great (of recent years).
for some reason i got all sentimental watching this. When you play a sport as a little kid, it just remains in your heart.
How great was Lomu. You could find 3 or 4 great choices for every other position but no one would leave lomu out of a greatest 15
Also McCaw
No one is replacing BOD!! GOAT 🐐
@@HarisKhan-us1tb and Dan Carter
@@oliveryoung2260 💯
Os du Randt, Richie McCaw, Daniel Carter. Those are the non-negotiables for me.
Lomu was phenomenal, and was rugby’s first global superstar (becoming literally the face of the game), but I’d pick Habana over Lomu by a hair’s breadth.
Fantastic players! For me, Michael Jones and Victor Matfield play. Also shouts out for Lawrence Dallaglio at 8, and Nonu at 12! Many thanks for the compilation. Great team 👍🏻
I had Dallaglio at 8 too even though Zinny was my favourite player growing up.
Barry John was the true GOAT Because he was amature ...No drugs ,,little training and changed and invented and developed the way his position was played for the rest of the world and retired at 27 years .He was a game changer for his Era .
agreed, a freak - as Gary Sobers and Don Bradman were to cricket. but Gareth Edwards = GOAT
Agreed
Agree - Barry John was the best 5/8 by 25% - and I'm an Aussie but I have to agree. Next comes Phil Bennet. Brilliant. The Ella for his creative genius behind an ordinary pack. But Dan carter was in the top 10 - probably.
@@jayboyes3806 Thank you Jay for a very honest reply .
@@stephenofmilford1216 Agreed! IMHO, Gareth Edwards was the greatest rugby player EVER irrespective of position. A joy to behold!!
And let the arguments begin!
Glad you put Philip Sella (France) in there at centre. What a player.
Always going to be hard leaving out other greats but this an amazing XV. Good stuff
Reasonable list, especially that lethal Sella-BOD midfield. I do have a few queries/suggestions:
Not sure about Pienaar at flanker. Fine player and excellent captain, but not even the best SA flanker, never mind being in the best ever XV. I'd plump for Richard Hill (Eng) here.
For the #9 jersey, it is Joost all the way for me. Gareth was sensational, but JvdW was to scrumhalfs what Jonah was to wingers.
Hard to argue with a Johnson-Eales engine room, but got to have looked hard at Big Vic before discarding him. I think Matfield had the edge on Johnson, so I'd have him with Eales, and Jonno on the bench.
Now we come to my biggest concern: Campese?! Seriously?!! The two wing berths are Jonah Lomu and Brian Habana. Campese doesn't even make the top five wingers (think Doug Howlett, Shane Williams, Rory Underwood, Ieuan Evans, etc.)
Here's my all-time team:
1. Os du Randt
2. Sean Fitzpatrick
3. Jason Leonard
4. Victor Matfield
5. John Eales
6. Richard Hill
7. Richie McCaw
8. Zinzan Brook
9. Joost van der Westhuizen
10. Dan Carter
11. Jonah Lomu
12. Philippe Sella
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Bryan Habana
15. Serge Blanco
Bench:
16. Richard Loe
17. John Smit
18. Martin Johnson
19. Michael Jones
20. Sergio Parisse
21. Gareth Edwards _OR_ Agustin Pichot
22. Owen Farrell (covers 10 or centres)
23. Christian Cullen (covers FB or wings)
I like it. BUT.... You have not even considered Johnny Wilkinson? Best kick both out of hand and in terms of points. Forwards could not use his channel to build field position coz he would stop them flat, very smart and run systems really well, a Tom Brady type player. But lakes killer speed (not slow though) and the x-factor creatively. But if you needed a match won and a team system working at 98% for 99% of the time you Go for Johnny.
@@madebymonkeys5641 Hi Monkeys. I certainly did consider Wilko, but had to leave him out for two reasons.
First, he doesn't get the 10 jersey ahead of Dan Carter.
The second reason has to do with my setup. I have elected to go with only two backline players and six forwards on the bench.
Therefore, I needed a strong option to cover both flyhalf and centre, and Jonny only gives me half of that. Had to put Farrell on the bench to cover these two positions (making him the only current player to make my team).
If I went with three backs on the bench, I'd lose Michael Jones (heresy, I know!), and have Wilkinson to sub for flyhalf, with Danie Gerber taking the centre spot on the bench.
If I wanted a viable alternative to Cullen for covering the back three, then Jason Robinson has to be worth considering.
You may have seen I picked Augustin Pichot as an alternative sub for scrumhalf. I initially wondered if he was that inherently that good, or if he just looked so good because he was behind that phenomenal Pumas pack. But then, I also remember he was almost always first name on the team sheet when they were picking Baasbaas sides in those days, so he had something about him...
Some interesting points but you can't have 2 number 5s at lock, Eales is in there because he had a good line out and kicked for goal, you don't need your lock to kick for goal, if your fly half does his job. I don't really rate Johnson, historians would probably go for Frik DuPreez although he would be a little undersized nowadays
@Henri Panapa When you start your comment with "shit list", your credibility takes a significant hit.
Then when you consider a good proportion of your players are also on my list, you just _have to wonder_ ...
Your Owen Farrell pick hasn’t aged well.
Victor Matfield Best Lock in terms of Lineouts and general Play ever
John eales was by far the greatest ever lock. Matfield was south Africa's best ever but not as good as eales was. Martin Johnson im not convinced he takes the other spot though.
@@jesseking7668 eales was special.
Currently though. The all blacks, springbok, English and Welsh have excellent locks with potential to be considered all time. It is length of time at the top which determines all time status
Damian Atkins Disagree
Been watching his highlights and definitely awesome in the air but around the field Rhetalick is much better
In the air yes but for general play I’d go with Collin meads
This list is basically the best captains... not necessarily the best players
yes you right. One or two i will keep there .
True, Matt Damon should not be on this list.
@@fredkelly6953 im south african and agree..was good player good captain..but not the best 6 many more better than him.
It’s not far off though mate. Personally, I think there are better blind sides around today the Peinaar and I’d have had Cullen over Blanco but they’re all magnificent players.
@@davedave5128 Richard Hill is probably the best flanker of all time.
This is so difficult to do. Respect for even trying. Jpr Williams, Danie Gerber,Tim Horan, Fourie du preez, Andy Irvine, Jerry Collins, Ian Jones, etc.
W
JPR ..... yesssssssssssssss.
I think Andrew has this absolutely right. Certain players go straight in: Fitzpatrick, Johnson, McCaw, Carter and Lomu. Thought provoking discussions: Du Randt vs Leonard, Brooke vs Dallaglio vs Shelford, Pienaar vs Michael Jones, Campese vs Habana, Horan vs BOD, Cullen vs Blanco.....
I love cullen, although not everyone even puts him as the all black best 15 which i find baffling. Man was a different level athlete.
Zinzan Brooke has to be the number 8 - the man had every skill, hands as good as a fly half, and he even dropped goals from distance. As much as I liked Dallaglio, he wasn't half the player Brooke was. I'd pick Leonard at 3. Jones for Pienaar is a good pick, Horan over BOD - don't think so! I like Cullen for Blanco, but I'd keep Campese over Habana.
Tiny Woodcock is the best loosehead. Was a dominant scrummager. I couldn't say the the same about Du Randt. Woodcock was also pretty mobile.
I get why you left out Gerber given lack of tests but he is the best back I have ever seen.
Danie Gerber?
Danie Gerber was better than Sella. Gerber knows it and so does Sella.
Okay, so Gerber didn't play as many International games as he should have, but the Currie Cup (where he played) was extremely fierce competition, back then, and the top A section teams were of international level, in any case.
Doring Danie for sure!! The world was deprived of seeing more of this great player.
Sella over Gerber anyday
Kia ora Danie Gerber my favourite centre of all time, Due to Sth Africa isolation from International Rugby the world never got to see his brilliance, oh and P Sell a my second favourite centre
thefobbie you obviously haven’t watched O’driscoll play enough
Can’t really argue with any of those selections with the possible inclusion of Brian Habana at 14.... otherwise pretty well spot on I think!
Well done you - regards from Auckland, NZ.
Great knowledge man,obviously there are a lot of options,but those players can be in the XV definitely
No.6 : Thierry dusathoir
Has to get a mention
But Richard hill for England deserves his place. An unsung hero. And I'm irish.
Thierry dusautoir merci
Schalk Burger
Lukhanyo Ntuthu Burger is a 7
@@owenrichards8901 he's played 6, 7,8
Lukhanyo Ntuthu fair comment but he’s more recognised as a 7
Anyone else think he’s a New Zealander
Henry Evans Welsh I believe
No new zealander would omit Cullen
What makes you think that? Do you disagree?
I don't.
Yeah I do think that there were a couple players he could have chosen
No Joost van der Westhuizen?
And Habana
James Lewis spot on mate
@James Lewis and habana for campise
@@etiennenel4494 whats your problem?
Gareth Edwards is the most complete rugby player ever. A genius.
I've selected a 23 man squad as a 15 is nigh on impossible, so all would get on, and hopefully it's a balanced side. Unlike many I've been fortunate enough to see all of my squad play.
1. Os Du Randt
2. Keith Wood
3. Carl Hayman
4. Martin Johnson
5. Victor Matfield
6. Richard Hill
7. Richie Mcaw
8. Sergio Parisse
9. Joost van der whesthuizen
10. Phil Bennett
11. Jonah Lomu
12. Danie Gerber
13. Brian O Driscoll
14. Jason Robinson
15. Christian Cullen
Bench: Mike Gibson (possibly the greatest individual all round player ever, could play anywhere in back line at international level)
JPR Williams( covers FB, wing and played international back row)
George Smith( only Richie keeps him out at openside)
Sean Fitzpatrick( abrasive, nightmare to play against and brilliant captain)
Brodie Retallick( he's a great while still playing, but not enough for starting 15 in this company)
Adam Jones( awesome tight head, great scrummager, good round the park and underrated by many)
Rodrigo Roncero( most destructive scrummager I've ever seen and another who's underrated because he wasn't from one of the big nations when playing )
Gareth Edwards( I literally tossed a coin between him and Joost for the 9 starting jersey, and change my mind every 10 seconds)
Have to mention Dan Carter as a great, but wouldn't be in my 15 because of Phil Bennett being just THE genius, and not on Bench as Mike Gibson covers 10 and centres. One other who I would love to select, but can't is David Duckham. Another amazing player who was never used properly by England, and would have walked into any international side and been considered a great.
People may scoff and say a few of these wouldn't last long in the modern game, but I totally disagree. Class is Class whatever era it comes from.
15 Had to be Cullen surely.
Why not Nelia?
Nope
😳😂
Cullen's on mybench, to cover FB and wings. But startung wing jerseys to Jonah and Flyin' Bryan, with Blanco at 15.
@@interestedbystander196 I would have runpini caucau, Sivivatu and Rockakoko all day long over those wingers. Even over Lomu who was a giant in a game that was amateur just going pro. He would never have the devastating affect these days.
Great selection! I sense that your criterias were based on a form of leadership and all these players enjoyed full legitimacy amongst their peers. Would have disagree on the flank, Pienaar, but since we're all peacefully going about our opinions, Ill have to go with Olivier Magne who was a gem of a player, or Betsen. ... Yes I am chauvinistic when I indulge in cheese, wine or certain rugby players. But I really wouldn't have minded seen Christian Cullen at number 15, another gem!
Although I am south African so I would have preferred to see Bryan Habana
not better than rupeni, lomu and williams as a raw player, but his longetivity
Surely Bryan Habana should've been in the mix, the man scored 67 international tries.
great player but not better than lomu or campese
He could have scored 670 tries, but he’s not one of the worlds best wingers
habana and shane williams are better than campese imo
He should've been on the opposite wing to Lomu
This is a great team. My SA bias would like Victor Matfield at 5, Fourie du Preez at 9 and Danie Gerber at 13, but when you have Eales, Edwards and O'Driscoll in your team you probably shouldn't complain.
Eales should stay, but Matfield was a better lock than Johnson
Dont think you can kick Edwards out man had everything, no doubt he could still play no.9 in todays game with his power as well.
I think Edwards is the greatest rugby player ever,and all the other scrumhalf options look weak going,du Preez, galleon,donaldson
Great team. But if we're talking best in the position of all time. Cullen at 15. Michael Jones at 6.
Jpr Williams at 15.
100% correct
Blanco has to be in the team. He is the best fullback ever, he was revolutionnary.
Serge Blanco is the best fullback ever period. He single-handedly revolutionized the position.
@@tokysobukanla have you not seen cullen play? he had the greatest striking rate for a bloody fullback. he scored every time he touched the ball
Must have Tim Horan at 12 and someone other than Pienaar...a wonderful captain but by no means the greatest ever number 6.
How about MIchael Jones? George Smith? Jean Pierre Rives?
Kaino
Schalk Burger was way better than Pienaar at 6
J.P.R. Williams for me was the greatest full back, amazing tackler, 100% commitment.
Thierry Dusautoir is mentioned in McCaw's autobiography as a great flanker.
Mate, quite an awesome list u put up here bro. Love it.
Wheres Paul O'Connell?????????
WHO?
Great leader. Good player.....not near best ever standard.
using the bathroom perhaps....?
Probably just shy of being in this company. My only complaint is that Sella and ODriscoll both played at 13. Other than that it’s a pretty accurate team.
Where he is, not in this video.
A great leader, but John Eales and Johnson won World Cups and reivented the second-row
Frik Du Preez should also be included at lock. He was a goalkicker, ran like a back, had a good step, he was very strong and very fast for a lock.
No habana even though he is all time top try scorer? hmm
rah rah second
Top try scorer for South Africa only
@@santosl.harper4471 that japanese guy only played against 2nd tier teams so I dont include him
@@Jondo5 no the world. That japanes guy only played against 2nd tier teams
rah rah he played against sa in the 2007 world cup
Pretty sweet team. Think I'd have 4. Retallick 5. Matfield 6. Hill in the pack.
Can't comment on anything pre 90s so I'd have 9. Joost/Du Preez 12. Horan 14. CAUCAUNIBUCA! and 15. Cullen
Why aren't I on the list? I was the best left back to ever play for Narnia.
I was best left back in the changing room.
Our dressing room was tiny. Just a bloody wardrobe.
Alpa Chino don’t give em that mate it was a fuckoff wardrobe with a forest at the end. Did get fucking freezing in the winter mind
@@alpachino8195 wardrobe? In my day we dressed in a size 2 shoebox!
Wheres Andy Goode?????????
At the hairdressers I assume
Fuck him the pick,as for Martin Johnson ,would he walk through South Armagh ,don't think so........the prick.
sure jaysus, yer givin' the poor soul a lashing too hefty
@@samgreer8274 my dear boi u r in for a treat
Jeru Damage ,shite........
great to see you did not forget Edwards, Sella, Campo and Blanco - but you probably forgot the one who most commentators and critics (and players) still regard as the "greatest' (even many NZers) - and that is Mike Gibson of Ireland (at No 12) - or maybe you are just too young to remember or know of him
Some names left out here : Danie Gerber,Sid Goeing,Pierre Spies,Gregor Townsend,Gavin Hastings,Brian Williams,Hugo Porta !
You must be old like me with some of those names. Glad someone remembers the " old greats".
Brodie Rettalick is the Greatest Lock of all time. I dont care what anybody says. He still has years left in him too.
EAGLECAP Matfield best lock to ever live!
EAGLECAP He got smashed in Dublin
@@daratheprofessional1827 113 years of games between Ireland and NZ and the Irish have won on 2 occasions.
Talk to me when the World Cup gets started then we'll see who gets smashed. LOL
EAGLECAP But Brodie got smashed last week big time.
@@daratheprofessional1827 Still the Greatest. If we're talking blokes getting smashed then BOD wouldn't be mentioned as an all time great he got bullied by Kiwis for his whole career.
Yet he's still one of the best.
No Habana this is outrageous (I’m welsh and kiwi btw)
SLYcHoRd over lomu or campezie no chance
You're the first welsh person I've seen on here
Great 15 thanks for the video
Greatest captains. Good video bro.
Of all time?...where's Collin Meades, Frik Du Preez, Danie Gerber, Willie John McBride etc...?
Agreed. Although it is impossible to compare the professional era to the old days.
Naas Botha
Not McBride.
Not Gerber, Du Perez or Meades
Nice work. It is tough taking on a list like this. Everyone is going to have different opinions but with the additions of your honourable mentions (in the description) you've come as close as I have seen anyone come to nailing it.
Agreed. Some of these players a uncomparable because they are from different eras.
Interesting list. Well done.
Vaya equipazo !!!. 👏👏👏👏💖💛💖
You can make a case for that XV, but from reading the comments, I'm surprised very few people have put a case forward for Michael Lynagh, one of the best players there's ever been.
He's not even the best Australian fly half. Larkham is.
@@Romans8-9 ,I was just gonna say that.
Michael jones over Francois Pienaar
What about Jerry Collins?
@@prof_kaos9341 and the list goes on...
Kaino, Kaino, Kaino
@Angela
Michael Jones not only best in his position but in the short 5 for greatest ever, how he's not on this list is shocking but as is the case with most of these personal choices are made by those that do them up so can understand that..
Michael Jones over Richie and Richie over Piennar.
One of the best “best ever” videos I’ve seen.
Tim Horan at 12. Won two world cups and was player of the tournament in '99.
Yip totally agree with Timmy Got an should have certainly been in this team..
Very difficult to compare players from different eras. Fitness levels and training ect. Most of the players had full time jobs. Also easier to look good in a better team
Agreed
Cant imagine anyone listing the best XV of all time leaving out Willie John.
McBride
Give over. May as well have Webb Ellis in there
@@dazeng4633 It does say "Of ALL time "
@@californiancondor6860 I'm teasing. The man was a fine player
@@dazeng4633 Only saw him in person once. Never knew thighs grew so thick
1: Christian Califano / Jason leonard
2: William Servat / Mario Ledesma
3: Carl Hayman / Nicolas Mas
4: Bakkies Botha / Michel Palmié
5: John Eales / Victor Matfield
6: Shalk Burger / Jerome Kaino
7: Richie McCaw / Richard Hill
8: Kieran Read/ Sergio Parrise
9: Gareth Edwards / George Gregan
10: Dan Carter / Jonny Wilkinson
11: Shane Williams / Jonah Lomu
12: Phillipe Sela / Didier Codorniou
13: Brian O'driscoll / Cristian Cullen
14: Brian Habana / David Campese
15: Serge Blanco / JPPR Williams
Là on est pas mal .
Great list. Solid choices all round although can't please all of the people all of the time
Tim Horan ? He won two world cups including player of the tournament in '99.
Was a dog out of a trap but little imagination or inspiration.
@thefobbie 1 series is meaningless.
How about make a video of the best 15 from before year 2000 and one best 15 after the year 2000..coz to my knowledge there is a lot of players out there that are really good...like joost for 9..Cullen for 15.. John Kirwin and Habana..Rettalic..Tim Horan ,Nonu ..Jeremy Guscot..Wilkinson, Lawrence Dallalio and many More..this are the names that could be in it but your pick is still good too..so let's split the best into 2 great 15s
My money would be on before 2000 Hahah if they were to play
Os du Rant
K Mealamu
C Hayman
J Eales
B Thorn
M Jones
R McCaw
B Shelford
G Gregan
D Carter
J Lomu
T Umanga
B O'Driscoll
J Wilson
C Cullen
Makes me laugh when i see Wilkinson named , he was a carthorse , great boot , good tactician , ok tackler ,...no speed , totally predictable and a bore .
Thanx 4 the memories. Some nice some notso
And would love to see another twelve
Sella was a 13 and picked at 12?? Tim horan best 12 I've seen
nr 9 Joost Vander westhuisen ?...15 Christian Cullen.. & Brodie Retallic. instead of Johnstone .
Agree with you except on the Brodie Retallic statement
@@declanbackos1941 agree with you but Habana over David
Gareth Edwards is potentially the greatest player to ever play the game so as good as joost was and as much of a fan of his i am he cant make it in
Keith wood ??
Plus he looks like Alexei Sayle.
Ahjoostdedah Behigpu Uncle Fester
@@tollyt7465 We always called him Fester at home. First world player of the year in case anyone has forgotten.
Castrogiovanni was a bit handy up front as well.
JJ William's, JPR Williams, Willie McBride. Close to southern hemisphere line up
Sir Gareth Edwards....... just wow what a player., rightly voted the best player of all time 👏
Gareth as best of all time .... maybe. As long as remember Jonah Lomu was a rugby God.
@@3vimages471 Not for me he was a player for his time. Would Jonah get a game today? As good as he was he relied greatly on bulk and speed. Many of todays players would match him at both. Both were real gents, and well respected especially in Wales, but Gareth was really an icon of the game.
You are joking right?@@timphillips9954
Back 3 is strong! Imagine campese and blanco working space for lomu!?
Loads of people saying Cullen should be over Blanco. Have you guys ever seen Blanco play? He really had something special.
I loved Blanco - but Christian Cullen was the best Full back I ever saw. I loved Phillipe Sella (especially when he ironed out Fitzsimmons) but i would take Tim Horan any day.
Apart François Pienaar and Fitzpatrick, a pretty incredible selection
Well apart from the incomparable Jonah you could make a case for someone else in every position. Just call it my top 15 and that is fine.
yes, except for Gareth Edwards, peerless
And Richie Mccaw to be brutally honest. And I'm a springboks fan
Honourable mentions to Shane Williams? Well, thanks awfully! Most grateful, old bean!
This kind of list is always a heartbreaker : everyone always has in mind 2 or 3 names to add to each post ... and is disappointed not to see others ... but what is always good : "Souvenirs".
Blanco could be got to under the high ball. Prefer Cullen myself. I think Horan at 12 - two time RWC winner or Nonu.
I am English .... Cullen second best player ever after Lomu.
Definitely the 15 'most iconic' XV of all time
You nailed it! - all great and iconic players without a doubt - but the best ever at their position ???
In many cases not, but you can't argue with Lomu, Edwards and McCaw - surely the first names on anyone's "Greatest" list.
Pretty good team actually however I’d consider a couple of changes. Awesome forwards but might have Olo Brown @3 & Buck Shelford @8. In the backs I’d put Campo on left wing, John Kirwan on right wing & Christin Cullen @fullback. Hard to leave out Jonah but always felt like he was a forward playing on the wing although I can understand why they played him there.
Leave out Lomu? Madness.
@@3vimages471 I know, but struggled defensively on the wing and was often caught out of position.
can sort of see what you were going for, but personally it'd be Matfield for Johnson for me.
but then again, I've never seen Johnson at his peak.
JPR Williams @ fullback - Frik du Preez @ Lock over Martin Johnson anyday ;-) Micheal Jones over Francois Pienaar + I`m a SAFFER
too
Jones for sure, but Pienaar shouldn't be there anyway, he also played open side. So Jones should be open side, and Collins most likely should be blind side.
Pienaar was very inspirational, but Michael Jones was a far better player.
@thefobbie These men like J.P.R
Are real men , played Test Ruby Saturday
On , Tuesday my brother broke his arm
Guess who fixed it , Dr J . P. R ,
To much money and Glamour , Now
It just a game
@thefobbie Yes , that sounds like
Our J.P.R , He was so Brave , I was
14 years old and would marvel at
This man's Courage , It was not like
He was not to Bright , He was a Doctor
P.s I Think I had a man crush on him
Like my Dad was , he was what men were
Supposed to be a Man ( Lost my dad
2Years ago , proud to say I Loved him very
Much , There seams to be Dust in the
Air my eyes are Watering !!!
Regards Mark
Ps I am a Aussie , 1976 My Father and
Mother , got home sick and took my 3
Brothers and sister to live in Wales ,
That were I learnt about Ruby , Yes
You could not but love that team
They had a incredible era , I was
Turning in to a proper little Welshman
After 2 Years , one Brother was going
Back to Australia , It was to cold for us
Boys , I wanted to go home , Dad as
The Man he was could see the Family
Breaking up , so back to Aussie we came
A Mistake No we meet All the Family ,
Dad was one of 5 and Mum 1 of 9 , at
That time apart from one Grandparent
All were Alive , and for the next 40 years
Half the Uncle and Aunty's came for
Holidays , sad to say only 3 Left ,
Well I have wonderful memories it a
Celebrations of there life I remember
And as you see , I have not Forgotten
About Welsh Ruby , especially J.P.R
Regards . Mark Jones ( You could
Not get a more Welsh Name !!!
Psss I Hope to find you are well
In this COVID time , you have been
Doing it Tough there , we are Lucky
We Learnt from Your part of the
World and shut shop , We are also
In Western Australia and shut borders
To other states which has protected
Us . So look after yourself my Friend
Victor Matfield???
Brian Habana???
Percy Mengumery??
Maha Nonue??
It took me awhile but I realise you meant Ma'a Nonu😂😂😂 I don't know which is worse your spelling or selection...
@@am32ireland well you obviously didn't see one of these players play I dont know what's worse that part that you are from Ireland or just fucking stupid
Gerald Davies anyone ? GENIOUS !
In: Horan, Cullen, Ice Jones
Out:Sella, Blanco, Pienaar.
Would like to know how Naas Botha would fit into modern rugby.
My opinion is that Pienaar did not play that long to cement a place, Jerry Collins or Richard Hill was better, Phillips Sella was an outside center, Tim Horan was the best inside center, fullback there was Christian Cullen, Andre Joubert, Jason Robinson, Stuart Hogg and even Leigh Halfpenny
Think he wanted both O´Driscoll and Sella in the team, which is why he put Sella at 12.
Fullback JPR Williams of course.
Sella was an outside centre.
No 9 and 10 are impossible to name, I'd have put Barry John at 10 but I can think of an argument for many more.
what about scott burger
Agreed Horan is the greatest player Australian Rugby has produced and should have been the inside centre.
dont want to sound like an old codger. Im Welsh and to not mention JPR Williams as fullback but with all due respect to include Leigh Halfpenny who is a wonderful player is ridiculous. JPR or maybe Serge Blanco are best bar none
Missed out on Frik Du Preez & Danie Gerber
Tim Horan was better than Gerber
Ireland and Ulster legend, Cameron Michael Henderson GIBSON, otherwise known as just plain 'Mike'....suggest you check out some footage of the most complete (greatest) backline player to grace a rugby pitch. He could play anywhere in the backline except scrum-half. As good as O'Driscoll and Sella combined....
Any 'greatest' selection is subjective. But the one player almost every list includes is Gareth Edwards. Just shows how good he was. Even the NZs rate him the best 9 ever.
Bod is the on every list aswell
no we don't, JDW's the greatest 9
All these comments saying #11 shouldve been someone else then Lomu. Just know for the fact that WHOEVER you choose..your comparing him to a Jonah Lomu. The man who only played at 80% of his professional career...now if lomu is considered what he is today ..a "LEGEND" ..imagine what he couldve done ...."HEALTHHY" 🤔😏😊 so regardless your choice...Lomu wins anyways. #JonahLomu #BestWinger #Untouchable
Agree 100% ....a REAL YOUNG MAN WAS HE .
I will include Joost and Victor Matfield...
Brian O'Driscoll, Jonah Lomu and Gareth Edwards are absolute no-brainers. The rest IMO are totally down to preference. I would actually have Sam Warburton at 7 and Ronan O'Gara at 10. Clutch players.
Hahahahaa!!! I literally, wet myself laughing that you would drop Dan Carter for Ronan O'Gara......And then Richie McCaw for Sam Warburton hahahahahahahaa!!!!!! what are you smoking?
Im a year late but Tom my guy get off the drugs
@@leonmoore9848 another insufferably arrogant kiwi.
@@joshharrison619 and yet another insufferably arrogant kiwi
@@tommcglone2867 I’m English you clown
Pienaar was an openside flanker for the Boks in the 1995 RWC despite wearing the 6 shirt.
Just replace Johnson with Meads, Pienaar with Michael Jones, Sella with Horan and Blanco with Cullen and you have the best XV
Nick Farr-Jones, Mark Ellah? And i'm not an Ozzie
Certain bias there
No christian cullen??
agreed!
Wasn't good under the high ball like Blanco
Chris arena stfu you muppet
Ask Mitch
@@chrisarena7463 Seriously.
I would pick Andre Joubert easily as classiest and best full back of all time, anytime. I’m not sure why he’s often forgotten. Probably one of the most exciting players to ever play
I don't agree with you but Campese was overrated too
I agree surprised Andre Joubert wasn't there. I also think Dan Carter was exceptional.... But I would choose Henry Honiball at fly half...
Jouba couldn’t tackle
Not saying any names but with Rugby is supposed to be played at the highest quality at the moment yet not a single current international in this squad 🤔 just a thought
So who makes it from the current crop, in your view?
Maybe Kolisi ? Maybe Itoje ? Maybe (Aaron) Smith ?
I'd give that 2 shirt to Keith Wood
And tell him to get it washed and ironed ready for fitzy to wear.
Are ye serious where te hell is JPR Willams...an ime Irish.
conlaoch mccleoud You’re Irish? Wow! That’s incredible. Can you tell us more about this amazing fact?
Somewhere behind cullen
Well once you name Carter and bod your always guaranteed 2 right out of 15
Respect. Blanco was one of the greatest fullbacks of all time. I don't dare to comment outside of numbers 10 and 15 (which I played in my career), but I do salute that choice.
Cullen
I agree on 10 players, but Sella was an outside centre, not a 12. My guy is Horan. Not much to argue with, though Price at 3 and Gerber in the backs are worth considering. Also gave Michael Jones in the back row
Christian Cullen at 15. Willie John McBride instead of Johnson.
One of the greatest teams. Two 11 wingers, two 13’s ?
Campese wore the 11 jersey, but played on the right wing often enough.
Why a great team! I’m so relieved that the halfback was the greatest Gareth Edwards.
Personally i would have gone with Ken Catchpole or Syd Going - Edwards was brilliant, no doubt. Maybe it's a Southern Hemisphere thing ...
Why do you Welsh lot love pretending you have the best fallback? When you have the best blind side fkanker and captain with Sam Whaburton, two of the best wingers with George North and Shane Williams and the best lock to play the game with Alyn Wyn Jones. Stop promoting that old geezer who'd get flaterned and celebrate your more modern history.
players I think were incredible
Barry John
Gary Teichmann
Mervyn Davies
Jason Robinson
Richard Hill