Deere 3R Front Axle Seal Leak Fix, John Deere 3033R/3039R/3046R!
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- In over their heads, Tractor Time with Tim and mechanic, Dave, tackle fixing a front axle leak on the John Deere 3046R. After spending lots of money on parts and new tools, will the fix be good enough?
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“Dave’s daily doubtable’s” needs to be a regular thing. Dave seems to fit right into your organization!
I'll tell you Tim, Dave is the kind of friend that every DIYer needs. Very nice video!
By all that is Holy, yall found a gem with Dave. You can tell by the way he moves, his confidence of action, that the man is capable, that he measures beyond the task. Bless him, he is a treasure.
Keep Dave around. He’s a great addition to your team. And thank you Tim for doing what you do.
Tim I think you have a winner with Dave. I like his personality and seems to be very mechanically knowledgeable.
I had my version of your Dave (Craig) out all afternoon yesterday working on my Boomer 8N project. I could not do all my projects without him.
Dave is a great addition to your show.
Everyone needs a Dave! Just about all the Dave's I've ever met have been solid folk, much like your Randall. God bless, Tim and Christy.
I’m an experienced off-roader so familiar with portal axels and the like. Your guy is right about the seal/breather failure.
One of the common known mods in off-roading is to run a tube to the diff breather to where you fuel up so that it can breathe without taking in any water or mud. You basically just drill a small hole by the gas tank inlet and affix the tube to it.
Excellent video, thank you for posting it.
I would recommend venting the axle.
I have a 2001 4700 tractor, 5-6 yrs ago had oil seeping from top seal on spindle axle housing,once I vented the axle it’s been bone dry since. One other modification I would recommend. The 2 caps ( freeze plugs) are glued in place. Two weeks ago I was removing snow and when I parked tractor in barn I noticed the 2caps on the floor. Lost 2 gallons of axle fluid without ever knowing the axle was running dry for about an hour. I reglued the caps with ( loctite retaining compound 620 jd recommends it) and as a safety precaution I fabricated 2u shape brackets to support the caps. I used the bottom 2 bolts of the hub gear housing ( mine has 8 bolts) and replaced the pipe oil drain plug with a brass hexagon drain bolt. Auto part stores stock them.i also installed a 1/4” x 1/2” rubber piece glued and fastened to bracket under cap for support and preventing noise vibration. Hope this helps.
Dave seems like a real “good ol’ boy”. Real comfortable with a wrench in his hand.
I think it would be fun to tackle projects like this, where I have no idea what I'm doing, and do it with someone that knows what's going on. I learn best from doing and not reading :D
All hail Dave 😀. It’s great to have colleagues that make you better in ability just because they’re your colleague. The best relationships make it “win win” for both.
I’ve wondered what’s involved on that seal, and now I know I don’t want to have to do that…or just call Dave ;-) Now on TTWT is “DDWD”! It’s s good thing he is so good natured. And yes, I like the front axle vent. Good work guys! Blessings.
This is as much fun to me as using the tractor. I was a mechanic for forty years and I was loving life watching this video. I really like the attachment you gave for your lift to lift the tractor. Great video thanks for sharing Tim
Hello Tim. I do not know how they compare to some other brands, but I have some Glarks brand snap ring pliers that have proven excellent for me. I have had them a couple years now and never let me down. They came as a set. Keep videos coming and you guys take care.
Nice to see someone working on the axle I designed in 1994 for Dana Spicer off highway group. You did a great job. Love the channel.
Wow!
Wow!!! That was intentness to watch. Good to see Dave around and enjoyed his input. Keep them coming
That is a great advertisement for the front axle vent, glad I have one on my 4066r, never, ever want
to rebuild that.......... ever!! 😁
I do not know how many other brands out there that comes from factory with front axle vents like my Kioti CK2610. There are a couple videos on UA-cam that show them. I had my tractor for awhile before I realized that the dipstick is also the vent.
My 2020 3046R , with 280 hrs , is at my dealer at this very moment for this exact problem . The dealer told me the six year drivetrain warranty “should” cover the cost of repairs . I did ask him about his opinion on the need for a vented dipstick and he said there was no need for one . Will be getting more information tomorrow . This definitely is an involved job . Love that lift setup . Great video my friend !
Interesting.
The drive train warranty did cover the cost of new seals for both right and left side of front axel . I also had a leak in the mid PTO shaft seal that was covered under warranty . This tractor is not used for any type of farming ( sand or mud exposure ) so why so many leaks in a tractor with only 280 hrs ?
@@altonhenderson4120I think the front seals are likely due to no vented dipstick. No matter what your dealer dude says.
I did purchase a vented dipstick right after I brought it to the dealership for repair but it’s not the type that bolt on hooks sells , this one has the pressure relief valve .
I second the recommendation for Larsen Lights. I purchased Larsen Lights back in 2019 for my cab tractor, and they were a HUGE improvement. No regrets whatsoever. I like them so much that when I purchased a new tractor several months ago, I immediately took off the factory lights and replaced them with Larsen Lights.
Great video I wish I had a mechanic Dave he's seems like a awesome guy have a blessed Sunday folks.
Just wanted to say thank you for this video. I have a 3032E, 3039R (Cab), and a 4044M. They all have Otis Innovations vents! 3039R has the bolt on hooks RH door kit. I remember when I saw another video of yours about the vents and ordered one for the 3032E. When I installed it and removed the OEM cap, it made a pretty good hiss and was clearly pressurized. So, all 3 have the vent caps. I believe the 4 series and 3R series have the same front axle by comparing the side by side, so this repair if needed I will be able to do just from this video. Stay safe and thanks again.
For getting you into a bit of trouble when you first got it, Old Salty has been a good source of projects to share with all of us.
Yep. Loving ole salty!
The problem with the receiver mounts is, they tend to wiggle and move around a little. When I did mine before I welded it up under the table, I drilled a half inch hole, ran a bolt and nut into it, welded the nut solid so that I could put tension on that receiver when it was pinned to keep it from moving. Made it work a lot better.
I'm afraid I may have that issue. Also, I didn't get my 'receiver' welding perfectly square, so this isn't good either. Thought I might make the 2" tube quite long...to minimize the wiggle.
Great video Tim, looked like Dave came in real handy on this project 👍🏻
After I had the dealer do my both front axles I put the Otis vent in the only thing I would change is the material is so shiny its harder to read than the plastic ones. I don't recall the prices, but it was fair and no issues a year later.
If you installed the resistor in parallel with the existing resistor, the total resistance went down. The bulb the sees a greater voltage.
Yep…wouldn’t that achieve the desired effect? Makes the circuit draw more power. …fooling the bulb sensor.
Tim - so crazy you just posted this! I have a 1yr old 4066R - and literally just yesterday afternoon I noticed a leak in the same place! That said, your video convinced me to haul it to my dealer to repair! Thank you for all the great videos!!
Like to know what it costs to have deere fix it.
Great job replacing the seals, it sure looks like a more involved procedure on the 3046R front axle.
Wow. That was quite the fix. I think it like several projects I have done, way over my head, but no Dave at hand. 3 weeks later it is finally finished.
Well done Tim and Dave.
Never power wash around seals or gaskets. Personally, I never power wash any of my equipment. I’ve yet to find anything a garden hose and a little elbow grease couldn’t clean and with far less chance of damage. Other than hydraulic system seals, most are not made to withstand significant pressure.
Like video had to do that seal on several deere and kubota always seem the left side thanks for great videos
For someone without experience, its best not to see the carnage.
Everyone loves sausage,but not everyone enjoys watching the process.
Also snap rings tend to come loose under tension,and will orbit very quickly!
"Tim and Dave's US tour" coming to a Wheel Hub near you. The right guy for the job. Great video. When mine ever leaks... Trip to the dealer because I doubt I have a 'Dave' in my area or a tractor lift. . I need a vented dipstick PDQ.
Thanks for the repair video, they are some of my favorites.
I just had my 4066 into the dealer for that knuckle seal leaking. They said the outer piece was beat up and started corroding a bit, so not sure if I got something stuck in there and rubbing back and force while turning or what. I had the vented dipstick already though. Was under warranty so all good.
I am also a “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” person as well, unless we are talking parts that are safety critical or could leave me stranded deep in the boonies. Then I will preemptively replace parts that look to be approaching failure.
When I got my LS tractor home after the dealer dropped it off, I thought I would check the oil in the front axle. It has a dipstick on the other side. And the tractor was sitting level, it showed it was low, so I filled it. Then we moved from Florida to Missouri few years later. Now the ground is not level and that oil starts coming out of the vent and I check it again and it's over filled. So after a few days I noticed more oil is still coming out the vent and then all of a sudden it quits. It doesn't appear to be leaking now but I guess I will have to check it again and see if it has oil in it. It doesn't make any noise when driving it. So i will try and find a level spot to check it.
If you've found a tractor which MAKES OIL, then you had better hang on to it! Maybe it can make you rich!
My JD tractor had been owned by a rental yard before me. Someone got a little over zealous with a pressure washer and blasted soapy water through one of the front seals. Lucky for me, I had a Dave (named "Ron") to help me through it.
That socket is actually called a Spanner wrench.
I'm really surprised that the 3R doesn't have a front axle vent from the factory. The 2R does.
Be well be safe
I have a bud with a small series 4 wd John Deere that eats front seals.He's had it fixed at the dealer 3 times and it still leaks after just a few hours (50ish) after the latest repair.
He needs the Otis innovation vented dipstick.
@@TractorTimewithTim sent him a text already
Tim, I remember an episode where you visited GCI Turf in NC. He recently released a couple of videos about a 2000 ft driveway he was working to repair for a family with a special needs child. The driveway is badly eroded and he is doing the work for free but he needs help buying the tons of gravel needed to repair the road so the erosion doesn’t keep occurring. I don’t know if you would be willing to mention it on one of your videos but I wanted to make you aware of it.
Saw it.
I’d really like to improve the ditches on that driveway before rock is purchased.
Until we get the ditches dug out, the problems will persist.
@@TractorTimewithTim I'm with you. We had continuous erosion problems with our driveway. It is on a steep hill and we had to make a ditch, slope the driveway toward it and fill it with big rocks to slow down the water to stop the erosion.
Great video! Tim.
I want to say the dealer charged around $2k to replace the axle seals on my 2025R.
Lucky insurance covered it as part of a collision sort of claim. I discovered a bent tie rod that had caught on or impacted something.
Definitely not an easy fix! Great episode!!!!
A friend of mine had that problem with a 3038E. it cost him a little over $600 for the repair.
This was a great informative video, thanks for sharing 👍
Great Job Tim and Dave. How about a pond update......Still filling it?
Essentially unchanged. We have stopped filling for winter.
Even if the US goes metric you will still use both. 🇨🇦 went formerly to Metric on April 1 1975 and we use both. One thing I hate is a tape measure with inches and centimetres. My last three tapes I bought were inches only, much better for me. In fact my 2014 1025r I believe is half and half. It’s the hardest piece of equipment I have worked on to try and guess the size wrench needed.
Adding a resistor in parallel would lower the resistance and increase the current flow.
Increasing current flow would be the desire…otherwise the tractor thought the bulb was out.
Great video Tim I enjoyed it very much.
I just did the same repair on my 4120.
LOved watching this repair ,would like to know how much in parts and tools bought so know price though
Hi Tim i cant find that link for that 4 tooth socket you used in your deception i know some call it an axle socket there are a couple different sizes
Dave reminds me of Jack Black!!
The best thing u can do to help those wheel seals from leaking is to use gear oil in front axle we have tym and koiti both have gear oil in front axle with no leaks its just slow to drain when u do a service
Blows my mind that the dealer doesn’t even own the spanner socket! Scary! At least you know it’s done right and you spent the money on the required specialty tools.
Very instructive video, but wouldn't this have been under warranty since that tractor is fairly new?
Not sure, honestly. We wanted to show it either way.
Great video! So I’m wondering why JD has not fixed this issue at the factory. I have a brand new 2024 3039r with 6 hours on it and it’s already at the shop because the front right side seal is leaking. I have already ordered the vented dipstick right after they picked up the tractor but this is crazy, 6 hrs and leaking. It is covered by the warranty but my mind is still blown over this. Why can’t they just put in vented dipsticks at the factory and be done with this horror show.
Hey Tim, I'm not sure if you get anything out of my vented cap purchase with the ttwt code usage. But I thought I'd let you know that they are getting you to promote without giving the customers a discount. Before the discount my total showed $100 with free shipping. After I applied the code it showed a total of $100 and code canceling a $5 delivery fee. Just FYI.
You do many of these you'll want a good set of snap-ring pliers, and I think the older one piece seals did better than the 2 piece (on my tractor anyway), I have already replaced two of the 2-piece seals on one side (cleaned thoroughly) with a limited number of hours, but in all fairness, the tractor has not been run in the best environment
I added the axle vent days after purchasing my 33R. I did the same with my 2025R.
Some will argue it’s not necessary. I say it’s a very cheap investment compared to what you just went through.
Great video. Always fun to watch you guys doing something that would give me serious hesitation to start. And I always enjoy seeing your challenger lift in action. Could you repost the name of the yellow racks with you installed on your lift?
HTTP://turfrail.com. Tell em you saw on ttwt for a discount.
Thank you so much
Tim, I did that project about three years ago on my 3520 and it was on the left side that started leaking. It is an involved process only thing is I had the John Deere manual to guide me through it. One of my questions is, do you use the low vis hydraulic -gear Fluid or is there somebody else who makes that product also, did you use the special lock tight glue in what John Deere recommends to install all those seals and I never did install vent in my axle. I never had any issues as of today I didn’t find out about it until afterwards.
My 4052 m front seal went out in under 100 hrs
I’m still doubting Dave because the article that you had was from NPR so…😂😂
Deere almost got me once with inlb and ftlb.
Were did you get the table. I want one. Thanks good informative video
Right! Me too! Unfortunately, it was a surplus type thing. He doesn’t have them anymore.
what lift do you have and poundage, what is the yellow parts that are for tractors. hyperlink?
Contact http;//iaequip.com via phone. Ask them details about ttwt lift
Dave looks like Jack Black!!
How do you know what codes are what? Do they make code readers for JD like they do for automotive codes?
Not sure. I googled it :-)
I think the service manual may have them.
Can you share information on where to purchase the work table?
I thought I made it clear that it was a temporary deal….the guy had a few of these several years ago…I finally convinced myself to buy one…he had 10 at that time! Not sure why I didn’t buy them all! :-).
@@TractorTimewithTimThanks. My misunderstanding.
Tim how come that wasn't under warranty didn't you buy that new on 23'
I didn’t even ask. We kinda wanted to do the work and show it anyway.
Kind Sir.... Can you do a video where... you've told us about grill guards and now axle vents.... you tell us all the things we need to change on 1 -5 series tractors so we dont run into the repairs that you have had to do?
I do…over time. Hard to put it all in a single video.
All Metric sockets in ALL countries are used by 1/4", 3/8" or 1/2" Ratchets.
I just purchased 2017 250hrs i thikk it never had any mods should i make any changes to my 1025r the engine shakes bad at idle is that normal you are the best and a fellow christian Butch west carrollton Ohio
Yep. Engine shakes. You can turn up the idle a bit. 1550 is spec for low idle.
I need this done on my 4300. If I bring the hubs and parts would he be interested in doing it again?
Maybe. Tim at tractortimewithtim dot com
Hi Tim. A while back you were having trouble with the 3046 blowing a fuse that caused it to shut down. Did you ever find what was causing that?
I may just have to get one of the axle vent kits.
No..and it hasn’t happened since! We couldn’t find anything loose or rubbing. Not sure!
At $110/hr, or more, that would be a seriously expensive repair at the dealer.
A question, had the vented plug been installed before the seal failed? I followed your advice on Johnny 1 and 3 and did it years ago.
Nope. Just installed it. …after. Too many tractors :-(
i am wondering if that socket will fit a 1025r. Did a oil changed an noticed my axles is also leaking.
Try the Otis innovations vented dipstick first. It might take the pressure off enough to stop the leak.
I suspect the socket is different.
Having said that, if you want us to fix, we can do.
@@TractorTimewithTim@TractorTimewithTim lol, I live in Florida. That would be one hell of a trip charge
Tim you need to go too harbor freight and get a torx wench
Have done so since then.
DDWD indeed.
get all the life you can out them lines you can i had some hoses that was around 55 bucks per hose and i sucked all the life out them i could i have yet to find parts cheap for any brand tractor or car
So where is the link or info for the socket? I don't see it in the description.
Ugh. I forgot. Sorry. I’m away from home now. I’ll get to it later today.
Awesome job Dave!
That stinks about the wheel seal on the 3046r. I guess I lucked out with mine. Nothing major has been wrong with it. Only thing that just started after 830 hours is I noticed the front loader drops a little bit. Apparently the lift cylinders were known to have problems because the factory used cheap seals in them.
Nice job Tim. I have a question I’m buying a lift. Where did you get the rails for it that hold the tractor?
turfrail.com tell em you saw it on ttwt for a discount.
Great I will thanks
Well, there is metric on the moon!... Imperial units were too confusinfg for the guidance computers, but they worked fine in metric. The displays and screens showed imperial, but in reality metric was the unit used for the Apollo program.
Leaking front seals are not uncommon in the JD utility tractors. My 4 series had one at a pretty young life and needed fixing. Fortunately it was under warranty.
You should be nicer to the 3520! I like her.
50% less!WOW! Great video, really enjoyed watching! Love your 3520!How many hours are on the 3046R by now?
I think 125 or so.
@@TractorTimewithTim Thanks!Have a nice sunday(whats left of it)!Mine is over,it is 10:45PM for me :)
You need a brass hammer so as not to damage the steel shafts and such as you're hammering them in. Tell the finance committee it is essential to not damage new parts.
As they say... you get what you pay for, the cheaper fittings might of been made with a cheaper metal.
I’m confused. What ‘cheaper fittings’ do you mean? Lots of stuff in this video. I’m having trouble knowing which part you are referring to.
What's the point of the coupon code if takes money off and then adds more on for the dipstick?
I don’t get that statement.
@TractorTimewithTim when I entered your coupon code it took money off then adds it back on Otis website.
I know you love the discounts that these online dealers can give you. But when it comes time to service if you've been in there a hundred times buying parts they're more likely to loan you the tool or help you out on a late-night parts need.
Story of a local guy who always orders all of his tractor parts online. (But calls the dealer to get the part number first) He was out combining one night and about 5:01 on a Saturday night he broke down and needed a part.
He called the dealer to ask if they had it which they did, and asked if one of the guys would stick around for an extra half hour so he can pick it up. No one really felt like sticking around so the parts guy told him to order it online and hung up.
(There was a few other reasons for the parts guys actions.)
Meanwhile me with just my little GX 345 and 4720 have the parts guys personal cell phone number in case I ever need anything after hours.
Sometimes relationships mean more than a 5% discount.
If I am in a dealership a hundred times ordering parts then I need a different tractor. I prefer dependability over parts availability, seems to make more and cost less that way.
@@Scott-cu8nf multiple machines over many years adds up.
I get more accurate ordering online compared to my nearest dealer. Saves me multiple trips, time, money, and the repair gets done sooner. This particular dealer rarely have anything for my tractor in stock, so it is at least a 2 day wait, longer if they order the wrong part. Then when they order the wrong part, they up the price above MSRP so the customer ends up covering the cost of their mistake. So, I trust another tractor dealer that has a great online UA-cam presence to order my parts. That company has not failed me once in 20 years.
@@Scott-cu8nf For the home gamer that wants to order an oil filter for his lawn mower it's no big deal.
But it's nice to have a connection at the dealer, for when when I'm moving snow in the middle of a blizzard and my 4720 decides to break a lift link on the 3pt. it's nice to get told "just go rob one off one of the used machines sitting out side to get you going, and we will get one ordered"
"It will be here tomorrow morning, no freight charge on that"
@@Drew-in-NoDak
I don't think that is typical for dealers and 99%+ of their customers.
Why did you have to do this repair yourself on a tractor under warranty?
I have that vented dipstick on mine since day one. Never want to do that job.
I didn’t even ask about warranty. Kinda wanted to show it on video anyway.
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