The Jupiter 60 and UP 119 Replicas were referred to O-Connor Engineering in Costa Mesa, California by Disney after hearing about Walt Disney Studios building both the C.K. Holliday, and E.P. Ripley locomotives from scratch for Disneyland in Anaheim. The boilers were built by the Dixon Boiler Company, also based in California, and the paint work was designed by the help of famous Disney Animator, Ward Kimball. :) The Jupiter and UP 119 are possibly 2 of the most beautiful steam locomotives in North America, and having just had the 150th anniversary of the Golden Spike last year, steam up throughout the Spring, Summer, and selected dates in the winter. These old Bachmann 4-4-0s may not be the best, but hold a lot of character and charm. The newer 4-4-0s are much nicer, but are more than 3 times the price, and 50 pounds is a fair price for the older 4-4-0s since they're around $65 US dollars here, which isn't bad.
Actually had this engine in my first bachman starter set with three old passenger cars growing up as a kid. Played with it and ran it till the motor literally smoked out and died. Great engine. Love the design. This vid brings back memories
I really like the UP 119 as a loco just because of it’s historic look. It has a distinctly American design that clearly shines through. Thanks for the vid Sam!
Related tangent. One day, a man by the name of Chadwell O'Connor was enjoying his hobby, filming trains, when he felt a tap on his shoulder. Another train lover was asking to look at his camera. O’Connor has built a special fluid head bearing that moved so smoothly. The other man was amazed. “Can you make some of them for me? By the way, my name’s Walt Disney.” This meeting in 1952 lead to a friendship between the two and between their respective companies, to the point that when the National Parks Service was building the Gold Spike park, they originally went to Walt Disney Imagineering to have them build the replicas of 119 and Jupiter. The Disney company turned them down, but recommend O’Connel’s company instead, who agreeded.
Casual railroader here, I've had one of these since I was a kid (I'm 35 now) and knock on wood I've never had a mechanical problem with it and it's still happy to do laps around my Christmas tree during the holidays. I do recognize many of the same running issues you had; it struggles with points, it's very noisy, and that wire going from the tender to the loco broke exactly the same as yours. And while the packaging isn't any kid of luxurious, the styrofoam's done more than a good job of keeping it safe in storage. One problem I constantly have with mine is the front truck (I think you Brits have a different term for them that escapes me atm) likes to jump off the tracks for...seemingly any reason it can think of. It seems to get worse when it's pulling a long/heavy consist of cars behind it, almost like the force of the drive wheels pulling unweights the front of the loco and there's nothing to keep the front wheels from climbing over the rails. But it'll even do that just running by itself unless I put a fair amount more time and effort into setting up my track than I need to for any of my other trains. Regardless, thanks for bringing this back into my recent memory. I haven't done the "model train around the tree" thing in a few years now. Maybe I'll bring it out again this holiday season.
Wow! That's very impressive Mike, I am very surprised! Yes I had issues with my front truck too initially - I think I've managed to adjust it properly now, but it was a nuisance! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam, great review and you did a great job on the history! Not a lot of people that are not from the States do not know much about the golden spike nor the 119 but you do so hats off to you! Now, the paint scheme is correct. At the time of when the model was made, the prototype was in this paint scheme. The reason why she does not look like this today is because no one truly knows what both the Jupiter and 119 looked like. As a result, historians have been revising the scheme over the years and the one the model has was one of the revised paint schemes. Same can be said for the current paint scheme. It was revised from the scheme that is on the model. In other words, Bachman did not try to make the scheme different but was basing it off of what the replica had at the time. Currently, they are thinking about revising it again. Thanks for the review and happy railroading!
finally clicked this video and I didn't regret it, just got the bacmann Jupiter in blue, and all I need now is the little star of the show in this video .anyway sam you run a great channel, keep it up :)
I owned an N scale 4 4 0 EXACTLY like this when I was 10 years old which was also tender driven. It was badly damaged years ago and still needs repairs but I haven't managed yet and I doubt I ever will, sadly. Absolutely beautiful, nonetheless
I have the modern Jupiter steam locomotive, and I paid around $200 for it with sound, and I’d say it’s definitely worth the upgrade. With 12 wheel pickup, good performance on points, and with it being much more modern in the tooling. It’s very good if you’re willing to put down the money for it. Oh and the cab is open to a degree
The tender-motor plus loco-drive was a feature of the 1950s Graham Farish King class - but in that instance they were not permanently coupled: the drive was via a cardan shaft where a square 'pin' fitted into a socket, so the loco and tender could easily be separated. I can see how the small size of the loco pushed Bachmann towards a tender-drive, but with those tiny wheels on the tender they went for the unusual drive-shaft arrangement.
Blimey, dating back that far?! Yes that does make sense - it would have been foolish to opt for full tender drive on a model like this! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The true master of this kind of drive system is Roco! On most (modern) Roco tender-locos the motor (and DCC socket) is in the tender, and has a shaft drive (hidden) that drives the loco it self, but the tender wheels are also driven too (and pick up), so those locos have no pulling power issues for sure, specially the 2-10-0 s! And since its Roco the 5 pole motor, both loco+tender pickups, and good mechanism is evident.
Just got this from Hattons, £42, afterm missing out on a model of 'The General.' Indeed, most of these 'Wild Western ' frontier locos were wood burners. Here in New Zealand we have a couple of Rogers loco from 1877 preserved, and indeed it has lots of colours. Look up NZR Rogers K class. No 88 and 92 are fully preserved.
Casey's 382 is a better loco, YES! The 119 is at least 30 years old and someone put a knuckle coupler on it. Originally had X2F Horn Hooks on it. Awesome crawl (less on point frogs) but to pull so many coaches, outstanding. It's a "classic" locomotive in North America. I've got a static "Jupiter" with matching rolling stock behind it. It's a novelty locomotive, like your RivaRossi Casey Jones. But, the fact it still runs and looks good is some sort of testimony that "good" luck can still be had. Awesome review and respect to this piece.
If you want a nice older 4-4-0 to look at, keep an eye out for a Tyco "General". They were all cast metal and really nice. They came available as a kit and I was lucky enough to find a sealed kit from the 1970s and build it myself a couple years ago; It was a lot of fun and it runs great. Came unpainted and everything. They're actually smaller than the bachmann 4-4-0s but they're really interesting models. Also, Tyco acquired the tooling from Varney I believe, so they aren't of the typical Tyco build quality. Anyways, thanks for another great video.
Really like this model. My favourite film of all time is The General - the 4-4-0s like the one seen in the film and this one are really rather beautiful and I consider them works of art with the colours and bonds the drivers made with their locomotives! Another idea would be to pick up some cheap American box cars or wagons, so you have something to pull with your American locos since you've got a fair few. I feel that could really capture the feel of the locos better if you had some old fashioned wagons trailing them! These 4-4-0s would pull anything from passengers to freight and played a huge part in the American Civil War, and this model really does look great and is pretty accurate design and colour wise too! The lamps were pretty huge, they were often oil lamps contained in a large box for a reservoir of oil to burn at night, and the tenders would carry huge wood logs and planks as they burned wood very efficiently. The wood on this model looks very odd, they'd normally be long planks just whacked lengthways on the tender.
Me too! It is a lot of fun - and maybe the fact that they're in so many films makes me love them even more! Great idea too - I'd be down for that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I also found a great way to stop your locos from stopping on points. You grab some glue and some tin foil, you then rip a small pea ice of foil and measure it on the frog of the point. You then put a little bit of glue (a little bit) and place the foil right whee were the glue is. And test a loco on it and it will hopefully run without a problem
I went to a train show with my grandfather when I was 9 and he let me choose one thing for him to buy me. I chose an old Bachmann Jupiter that he negotiated down to $20. It doesn't run anymore, but it was my favorite engine for years. I always wanted to get UP 119 to "complete the set," but never did. The newest Bachmann catalog I've got is 2013 and the rrp for this engine $125!
Back in 2011, I went on holiday to the US, and me n my mate road tripped to Utah to watch a reinactment. Found out their Jupiter and 119 are real steam, and were built in the 1970s. Got to tour the footplates of both, and it was rather great!
I actually got a Bachman 4-4-0 with the original red and grey Jupiter livery, and while she does run well, her mechanism is so noisy. Bachman really has come a long way with their mechanisms because oh boy it makes so much noise for such a tiny engine.
One note about the paint scheme, we still don't fully know the colors used due to not much detail is out there. Something that has helped is knowing how the colors reacted with the film/plate that were used during that era, thus why most are certain that CPRR Jupiter was blue and UPRR 119 red. Both engines in real life are lookers to say the least and was very lucky to be able to see them at the 150th anniversary celebration on May 10, 2019. Now as for the models, it would be great if a manufacture could create more detailed and accurate models of these engines. The retooled Bachmann engines are a step in the right direction but the paint is still the same as old. Until then I will wait or look for one of the brass sets that were made.
I have two of these in both H0 and N scale, all in running order. Not sure if I should be embarrassed or not to admit that! I got them dirt cheap on eBay over ten years ago. I choose many of my locos for aesthetic value. These ones exude a charming old timey Wild West garishness. Not great models or runners, but definitely a wonderful piece of Americana if you are into that sort of thing. Thank you for the review!
The older ones (in both H0 and N scale) seem to be made in Hong Kong, the newer ones in China. The older ones have a simplified paint scheme in both scales. No line on the running board, no rosette between the driving wheels. The sand dome and lantern are red. In N scale the steam dome is made of brass on both locos. The "RR" in Union Pacific RR does not look like "AA" in the Hong Kong made locomotives. Also, the steam dome, bell and cylinder are painted in gold in the Hong Kong made H0 loco. The Chinese one has the same bronze hue seen on the locomotive you reviewed. The final gears on the N scale locomotives are made of metal. I think I prefer the new paint scheme. All locomotives run well, but one needs to consider the electrical pickup limitations. These are strictly oval track locos. Would I pay $250 for one of these made with the new tooling? Not unless the steam dome, bell and cylinder were made of brass. Or I win in lottery. Whichever comes first!
I have a variation of this loco. Mine doesn't run nearly as good as yours and causes many shortcuts. From what I can tell mine has pickups on the front boogie. I don't know if the previous owner modified it or something. The motor on mine once burned my finger when I touched it. I paid around 20£ for it so It's not that big of a deal. Great review as always, Sam ;) Definately deserves a like from me 👍
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I have the modern Bachmann 4-4-0 in two liveries, those being CP Jupiter and UP 119. I got them in the Bachmann Transcontinental train set, and both had DCC Sound.
Hi Sam I'm new here and new to the world of model trains so I've been having a bit of a binge watch at half 2 am I'm from Australia btw. Loving the train content ❤️
Used to have one of these, this exact model. I lost the driveshaft one day so it was useless. Never had any other problems that I remember. Might get one again for that nostalgia factor!
Ahhh I still have my old Jupiter in my collection and it still runs. I haven't exactly run it very often since i was a kid, but the fact it still works after sitting around all these years is something lol.
Sam, your tourist coaches are great behind this old-timer. The very old gas-lit clerestory coaches with balconies at both ends are hideously rare (probably much like your tourist coaches) but also are probably not in the right (or no ) livery to suit the Jupiter and 119 locos. I have a pair in UP (Armory) Yellow, so painted too modern to go with this loco, but for a tourist attraction (hence allowing all sorts of different era USA locos) could be allowed! (Yes, includes Challenger, Big-Boy, F3 and Doodlebugs!)
Believe it or not, I had an N Scale version on this loco. Very, Very tiny. Ran like crap, same motor in the tender driving the loco wheels through the cab. There was no saving it. Today, I have a Bachmann modern 4-4-0 (similar to your Mehano) and it is beautiful.
I have the rival Airfix Central Pacific Jupiter 4-4-0 Locomotive with tender Ref 54170-5, which I bought new way back in the day for £4.99.( Four pounds ninety -nine pence ) It knocks the spots off the Bachmann. It has a metal body & tender plus metal detail. It has very little problem with points, the chimney light still works after 44 years. Recommended.
Odd since the Airfix Jupiter is the Bachmann model. www.airfixrailways.co.uk/ARSwildWestAdvSet.htm Sure it wasn't the Rivarossi version repainted? www.rivarossi-memory.it/ENGLISH_VERSION/Riva_American_Locos/Riva_American_Eng.htm#American_ATSF_e_UP_
I have one of these (doesn’t run of course) but it actually does have pickups in the main locomotive it’s just on one side, the broken wire you talked about at 15:00 is the only connection to lead power from the chassis to the motor which is why your example only works on the tender. Not a criticism or judgement just something I thought would be helpful to know.
Ahh sorry to hear it - interesting about the pickups, I'm pretty sure mine didn't have any in the loco, besides the one for the light! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hey if you're interested in some larger American steam, Broadway Limited Imports UP Challengers are capable of 18" curves (second radius). I have one and have been pretty happy with it besides having to send it back for repair due to a manufacturing error, BLI has great customer service however and fixed it for free. They're somewhat expensive right now but a deal may pop up eventually. Great video too.
As a toy, for GBP 25, and if you accept it to become a shelf decoration sooner or later, why not. Anyway, I had made some tests with my Bachmann N class (ref. 32-166) and I had been lucky to have no problems with freight wagons due to the kinky towbar (test on R2 curves on reverse, including full throttle runs, and backing on a R2 point). I might be lucky but I agree with you : a system that is uselessly overcomplicated had to be scraped. I'll do another test with passenger coaches later to see if there is a problem, maybe yes. So, for this locomotive... Well, if you take it as a decoration for a shelf with a (limited) ability to tow wagons, that can be interesting. As a collector's item, it has its interest. And thank you for the original subject for this video. I like changes like that.
I once owned a Rivarossi Royal Scot which had the motor in the tender, but driving the loco wheels via a shaft. It looked superb when compared against the Hornby models of the time, but was built to a scale somewhere between HO and OO, so it looked small alongside OO models.
Hi Sam! Great little loco for the price! As this loco had a straight smoke stack it would suggest it was coal burning, this make sense as the Union Pacific transversed the Great Plains with nary a tree to be seen. Also coal is cheaper to transport than milled wood from way back east, so therefore I suspect the tender of this model is a wood burning one that has been painted to represent a coal load thus highlighting this inaccurate detail rather than hiding it- silly buggers _Dave
Sam'sTrains perhaps they used the the same tender as the Jupiter but that would be a guess on my part however it would tie in with what you mentioned about fitting & concealing the motor under the fuel load,
The old Bachmann 4-4-0s were terrible in detail, quality, and accuracy. The 119 was a coal-fired engine and Jupiter was a wood burner. This was recently rectified by Bachmann with their re-tooled 119 and the rest of the re-tooled Bachmann 4-4-0s which are now much more accurately detailed, better running and equipped with DCC and Sound.
This locomotive is the sort of locomotive that used in western cowboy movies or cartoons. I have just unboxed my 009 gauge Lyd today and I can confirm why its expensive for such a small loco, it's due to being very well detailed, some parts made of diecast and mechanism is very well detailed for its size. It's as heavy as the Hornby pug. Just need track and controller to test it now.
Rivarossi/AHM made similar ones - a comparison would be cool! This is a later version of the Jupiter. When I was a kid ('70s to early '80s), they were "Made in Hong Kong," rather than China, and came with the old horn-hook coupler, rather than the Kadee style one.
Apesar de não ser muito boa a performance eu pretendo comprar uma locomotiva a vapor da Bachmann.....A Jupiter, para montar uma maquete ao estilo velho oeste Norte Americano.....Muito bons seus vídeos!
I have the Central Pacific Jupiter version of this tooling and I love it. It runs a little rough now but I'm sure it'll run a lot better after a good cleaning. I'm hoping to get a Union Pacific 119 of the same tooling to go with my Jupiter so I can take pictures of them together
Now this is different. I remember seeing this in my Pa's old Bachmann catalogues. It looks a lovely model. Very strange having a loco and tender driving model. Very different and a nice model. Clint
This drive system isn't unique. It was also used by Rivarossi on their 2-4-0s and 4-4-0s, also Mantua/Tyco had been using the drive system since the early 60s On their 4-4-0 General locomotives.
I have Bachmann’s current version of Union Pacific 119 and it’s a real nice loco I plan to get more of their current 4-4-0s in different paint schemes, I really want to know what Bachmann’s development team was thinking back then to produce a model like that one.
@@SamsTrains I do have to mention one thing that I forgot the details on the sand dome and the A’s that are suppose to be R’s on the tender look exactly the same so that’s still a problem but unless you look at it closely it’s not really noticeable.
Hello Sam! I happen to have the newer version of this loco, and I can tell you that it is better, if not by a lot. The first differences I see is that the cab is actually there, the coal load is more realistic, and the tender wheels are bigger and the trucks are more accurate. haven't taken the new one apart for maintenance yet, but from how it runs it seems to have a flywheel motor. it also comes with sound and digital control, which is always lovely to have. It's great to see another review from you!
There's obviously enough room in the loco for a motor, why on earth Bachmann put it in the tender and then used a drive shaft is weird. Boy the coal/logs is the most "realistic" and I think that your description of it sums it up perfectly. All in all a good loco for its age despite its quirkiness. Good honest review as always, Sam!
When the 150th anniversary happened, the Union Pacific 844 and the restored Big Boy 4014 which was converted to an oil burner was there, they actually have the Union Pacific 119 on Steam for Train simulator which also comes with a route in the 1860’s
From what I've read, at the time the replica loco was commissioned, nobody actually knew with any accuracy what colours the original loco had at the time of the ceremony, so they just guessed. Since then fresh evidence has been discovered, and the replica loco has been repainted several times to reflect this.
Hey Sam! I have had this engine for about 10 years now, but I have had some issues trying to get it to run. The wire that connects from the tender to the engine keeps falling out, and everything I try to reconnect it, the motor keep wirring without any movement. Do you think you can help me?
After doing more research, it seems as though the center rod that actually drives the train has fallen out, do you know where I can find a replacement?
Great review Sam. I picked up a Jupiter of the same vintage at a train show just before lockdown happened, for just $25.00 US, and was pleasantly surprised when it performed as good as yours, with only a couple of drops of oil. I also bought a grab bag of miscellaneous parts at the same show, and was able to finally finish 2 Mantua/Tyco Generals, neither of which run reliably at this time. Lots of trouble shooting to do on them.
If you get the chance to pick one up for a decent price, I’d recommend you also try one of the new tooling versions of the locomotive. They are far more realistic and have generally more reliable performance.
The modern version doesn't have the drive shaft from tender to engine. I think the first time an HO 4-4-0 with a tender to loco drive was the Mantua General, that's because motors back then were too big to fit in the locobody.
Hey Sam, if you like older style American 4-4-0's keep an eye out for an IHC premier V&T Reno. They are about the same era as these old Bachmann 4-4-0's and use the same tender driven motor, but they are much better detailed, have much higher build quality, are about the same price (at least here in the states), and in my experience much better runners than the Bachmann 4-4-0's.
Funny enough I have this same locomotive and it was always a pain to get running. I have UP 119 and B&O 703. I used 119 as spare parts for 703 and now it's a little demonic creature in the bottom drawer without a smoke stack motor or lead truck.
hi sam, i really like this loco, it would certainly go well with my triang davy crockett loco. these type of locos were made for us children in the 60s because all trains were toys then, and we did not worry about detail then
To be fair Sam, this may just be me but in my experience, all American type 4-4-0 look like toys, even the intricate brass ones once they have been painted up it doesn't matter the livery. That really has nothing in particular at fault with the model but more because they have become such the quintessential train toy that even a proper model still looks like a toy.
So, about the livery: Both Jupiter and 118's replicas have different paint schemes than their original counter parts. I believe your former Jupiter was in the silver and red, where if you looks at pictures, the replica is in blue and red. So same goes for 118, but it's not as drastic between the replica and the original, in my opinion. Both your Jupiter (RIP) and 118 models carry, to my knowledge, the liveries they would have had at the Golden Spike Ceremony (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Bit of fun American Railroad info for you!
Bachmann has updated the 4-4-0 models, from what I have seen online the newer versions are much better, with the motor on board the locomotive, better performance and better detail. I haven’t picked one up yet, but I do have the old version of the “Jupiter”. For a Bachmann locomotive of that vintage, these weren’t that bad compared to some of their other stuff. Rivarossi made some nice American 4-4-0s around that time too.
One of these days you should review Bachmann's newer version of the 4-4-0. It was completely retooled a few years ago. I hear the new one is quite good.
I'm pretty sure that ugly load is covering the motor. I have an earlier version of this locomotive and it doesn't have that "feature". What it does have is a motor that sits too low in the chassis, causing arcing between the motor and pickup wheels on the tender. I simply added some washers between the trucks and tender body to increase the gap. The locomotive runs perfectly now. It looks to me as though Bachmann raised the motor in later versions to cure that issue and they had to cover it up. So, you get an ugly load for your tender. They could have just shimmed the trucks like I did.
The reason it looks like a toy is because the cab is filled in. The Rivarossi models don't have that problem, instead they have a different one: the loco is OO scale while the tender is HO scale.
The 1860's-70's were pretty colorful. Look at colorized (corrected) pictures of clothing of the time. The Bachmann 119 like many locos in their line were intended for kids and not serious adult modelers. Bachmann introduced a higher grade line for U.S. collectors, similar to the British models you regularly torpedo on here.
Hey how did you get the loco to run so well. I have the same model and it occasionally stops running and I don't think it's getting much electrical connection.
hey sam, liveries like this were actually extremely common in this things' era of operation.
cool
Jeez, 2 people with the name ‘Sam’
@@Flyingscotsman19_23 and I run lionel postwar in my basement and ho guage in my attic!
Sam Brown nice
@@Flyingscotsman19_23 thanks! the lionel stuff I got from my grandparents and the ho stuff I bought.
Good old vintage Bachman, decent locos, good starters, as long as they aren't the split chassis.
Why what’s up with split chassis - to be fair at least they are loco drive vs hornby locos of the time!
Peter Driffill split chassis causes gear box issues
Or have nylon gears
Only acceptable in N scale.
Don’t buy Bachmanns track
The newer tooling for the Bachmann 4-4-0's are outstanding! This is still an older one, but still good ;)
Thankyou for mentioning the newer tooling, because I really like this style
The Jupiter 60 and UP 119 Replicas were referred to O-Connor Engineering in Costa Mesa, California by Disney after hearing about Walt Disney Studios building both the C.K. Holliday, and E.P. Ripley locomotives from scratch for Disneyland in Anaheim.
The boilers were built by the Dixon Boiler Company, also based in California, and the paint work was designed by the help of famous Disney Animator, Ward Kimball. :)
The Jupiter and UP 119 are possibly 2 of the most beautiful steam locomotives in North America, and having just had the 150th anniversary of the Golden Spike last year, steam up throughout the Spring, Summer, and selected dates in the winter.
These old Bachmann 4-4-0s may not be the best, but hold a lot of character and charm. The newer 4-4-0s are much nicer, but are more than 3 times the price, and 50 pounds is a fair price for the older 4-4-0s since they're around $65 US dollars here, which isn't bad.
Ahh thanks for this info Chris, I do remember reading something about this! Duly noted! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Actually had this engine in my first bachman starter set with three old passenger cars growing up as a kid. Played with it and ran it till the motor literally smoked out and died. Great engine. Love the design. This vid brings back memories
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That has nothing to do with the loco, Sam! 😆😂
haha sorry about that!! xD
I really like the UP 119 as a loco just because of it’s historic look. It has a distinctly American design that clearly shines through. Thanks for the vid Sam!
Yeah me too - it's a very famous locomotive for sure! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
When I was young I actually saw the reenactment of the transcontinental railroad in Utah. A very memorable moment.
OH wow! That must have been epic to see! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Related tangent.
One day, a man by the name of Chadwell O'Connor was enjoying his hobby, filming trains, when he felt a tap on his shoulder. Another train lover was asking to look at his camera. O’Connor has built a special fluid head bearing that moved so smoothly. The other man was amazed. “Can you make some of them for me? By the way, my name’s Walt Disney.”
This meeting in 1952 lead to a friendship between the two and between their respective companies, to the point that when the National Parks Service was building the Gold Spike park, they originally went to Walt Disney Imagineering to have them build the replicas of 119 and Jupiter. The Disney company turned them down, but recommend O’Connel’s company instead, who agreeded.
haha awesome, thanks for sharing, that's absolutely amazing - I love Disney stories!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
My grandpa retired from the Union Pacific from 40 years of working there. That’s why I like trains now
Awhh, he must have had a good life! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The day we get Sam to review a Broadway Limited locomotive is the day he becomes the ultimate model railroad reviewer
Yesssss patiton to get that review
@@adamrivera3327 if I owned a Broadway locomotive and lived in the UK I would totally lend it to Sam for a Review but I'm in America sooo
haha!! I'll hopefully get around to it one day! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I've offered to lend Sam some of my engines!
Casual railroader here, I've had one of these since I was a kid (I'm 35 now) and knock on wood I've never had a mechanical problem with it and it's still happy to do laps around my Christmas tree during the holidays. I do recognize many of the same running issues you had; it struggles with points, it's very noisy, and that wire going from the tender to the loco broke exactly the same as yours. And while the packaging isn't any kid of luxurious, the styrofoam's done more than a good job of keeping it safe in storage.
One problem I constantly have with mine is the front truck (I think you Brits have a different term for them that escapes me atm) likes to jump off the tracks for...seemingly any reason it can think of. It seems to get worse when it's pulling a long/heavy consist of cars behind it, almost like the force of the drive wheels pulling unweights the front of the loco and there's nothing to keep the front wheels from climbing over the rails. But it'll even do that just running by itself unless I put a fair amount more time and effort into setting up my track than I need to for any of my other trains.
Regardless, thanks for bringing this back into my recent memory. I haven't done the "model train around the tree" thing in a few years now. Maybe I'll bring it out again this holiday season.
Wow! That's very impressive Mike, I am very surprised! Yes I had issues with my front truck too initially - I think I've managed to adjust it properly now, but it was a nuisance!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam, great review and you did a great job on the history! Not a lot of people that are not from the States do not know much about the golden spike nor the 119 but you do so hats off to you! Now, the paint scheme is correct. At the time of when the model was made, the prototype was in this paint scheme. The reason why she does not look like this today is because no one truly knows what both the Jupiter and 119 looked like. As a result, historians have been revising the scheme over the years and the one the model has was one of the revised paint schemes. Same can be said for the current paint scheme. It was revised from the scheme that is on the model. In other words, Bachman did not try to make the scheme different but was basing it off of what the replica had at the time. Currently, they are thinking about revising it again. Thanks for the review and happy railroading!
Thanks so much - yeah I was reading all about this one! Really appreciate all the info,
Cheers,
Sam :)
Damn that's a crawl if I've ever seen one!!! It crawls just as well as Thomas!!!
thiru raj, which one?
Why do I exist? Bachmann Thomas
haha I know - really wasn't expecting that!! ;D
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finally clicked this video and I didn't regret it, just got the bacmann Jupiter in blue, and all I need now is the little star of the show in this video .anyway sam you run a great channel, keep it up :)
I use a lot of bachmann models on my layout, so its always nice to watch some of your bachmann videos! Keep doing more please!
Awesome!! Glad you liked it mate! :D
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I owned an N scale 4 4 0 EXACTLY like this when I was 10 years old which was also tender driven. It was badly damaged years ago and still needs repairs but I haven't managed yet and I doubt I ever will, sadly. Absolutely beautiful, nonetheless
I've heard a lot about those - sorry to hear yours was damaged :(
I got a hornby mixed traffic and it’s brilliant great way to get into dcc and with two locos that’s even better
Great to hear that - they are awesome sets! :D
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The Jupiter is my favorite 119 is cool too lol 😂 this is cool
Thanks mate, yeah Jupiter is epic too! :D
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Another fantastic video Sam!
Thanks so much mate! :D
No problem Sam! Which loco do you plan on getting next may I ask?
I have the modern Jupiter steam locomotive, and I paid around $200 for it with sound, and I’d say it’s definitely worth the upgrade. With 12 wheel pickup, good performance on points, and with it being much more modern in the tooling. It’s very good if you’re willing to put down the money for it. Oh and the cab is open to a degree
Great to hear it was worth it - I can definitely see them being a big improvement!! :D
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When Airfix started making OO scale railways in 1977 119 was in one of their train sets. The model was in Airfix boxes but had Bachmann on the chassis
Blimey, as long ago as that? Very impressive!
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The tender-motor plus loco-drive was a feature of the 1950s Graham Farish King class - but in that instance they were not permanently coupled: the drive was via a cardan shaft where a square 'pin' fitted into a socket, so the loco and tender could easily be separated. I can see how the small size of the loco pushed Bachmann towards a tender-drive, but with those tiny wheels on the tender they went for the unusual drive-shaft arrangement.
Blimey, dating back that far?! Yes that does make sense - it would have been foolish to opt for full tender drive on a model like this!
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Much of Bachmann’s early ranges are pretty unique compared to recent models. I once bought a vintage Bachman SAN Francisco tram.
Yeah that does seem to be true!! :D
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The true master of this kind of drive system is Roco! On most (modern) Roco tender-locos the motor (and DCC socket) is in the tender, and has a shaft drive (hidden) that drives the loco it self, but the tender wheels are also driven too (and pick up), so those locos have no pulling power issues for sure, specially the 2-10-0 s! And since its Roco the 5 pole motor, both loco+tender pickups, and good mechanism is evident.
Ahh really?? Must try one of those some day then!! :D
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Just got this from Hattons, £42, afterm missing out on a model of 'The General.' Indeed, most of these 'Wild Western ' frontier locos were wood burners. Here in New Zealand we have a couple of Rogers loco from 1877 preserved, and indeed it has lots of colours. Look up NZR Rogers K class. No 88 and 92 are fully preserved.
Casey's 382 is a better loco, YES! The 119 is at least 30 years old and someone put a knuckle coupler on it. Originally had X2F Horn Hooks on it. Awesome crawl (less on point frogs) but to pull so many coaches, outstanding. It's a "classic" locomotive in North America. I've got a static "Jupiter" with matching rolling stock behind it. It's a novelty locomotive, like your RivaRossi Casey Jones. But, the fact it still runs and looks good is some sort of testimony that "good" luck can still be had. Awesome review and respect to this piece.
Yes I thought it was!! Yes the pulling power was definitely one of the few impressive features! ;D
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If you want a nice older 4-4-0 to look at, keep an eye out for a Tyco "General". They were all cast metal and really nice. They came available as a kit and I was lucky enough to find a sealed kit from the 1970s and build it myself a couple years ago; It was a lot of fun and it runs great. Came unpainted and everything. They're actually smaller than the bachmann 4-4-0s but they're really interesting models. Also, Tyco acquired the tooling from Varney I believe, so they aren't of the typical Tyco build quality.
Anyways, thanks for another great video.
Thanks for this - I do love the sound of that, with all the metal! :D
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God!! How did that happen?!?!
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Nice
Really like this model. My favourite film of all time is The General - the 4-4-0s like the one seen in the film and this one are really rather beautiful and I consider them works of art with the colours and bonds the drivers made with their locomotives!
Another idea would be to pick up some cheap American box cars or wagons, so you have something to pull with your American locos since you've got a fair few. I feel that could really capture the feel of the locos better if you had some old fashioned wagons trailing them! These 4-4-0s would pull anything from passengers to freight and played a huge part in the American Civil War, and this model really does look great and is pretty accurate design and colour wise too! The lamps were pretty huge, they were often oil lamps contained in a large box for a reservoir of oil to burn at night, and the tenders would carry huge wood logs and planks as they burned wood very efficiently. The wood on this model looks very odd, they'd normally be long planks just whacked lengthways on the tender.
Me too! It is a lot of fun - and maybe the fact that they're in so many films makes me love them even more! Great idea too - I'd be down for that! :D
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I also found a great way to stop your locos from stopping on points. You grab some glue and some tin foil, you then rip a small pea ice of foil and measure it on the frog of the point. You then put a little bit of glue (a little bit) and place the foil right whee were the glue is. And test a loco on it and it will hopefully run without a problem
haha that sounds like a cool idea!!! :D
I once had the Bachmann spectrum Richmond 4-4-0 a few years ago. I personally modified it to have proper bearings.
I went to a train show with my grandfather when I was 9 and he let me choose one thing for him to buy me. I chose an old Bachmann Jupiter that he negotiated down to $20. It doesn't run anymore, but it was my favorite engine for years. I always wanted to get UP 119 to "complete the set," but never did. The newest Bachmann catalog I've got is 2013 and the rrp for this engine $125!
Ooh that's awesome - sorry to hear it doesn't work now though :(
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Back in 2011, I went on holiday to the US, and me n my mate road tripped to Utah to watch a reinactment. Found out their Jupiter and 119 are real steam, and were built in the 1970s. Got to tour the footplates of both, and it was rather great!
Ooh lucky you!! That must have been fun to see! :D
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I actually got a Bachman 4-4-0 with the original red and grey Jupiter livery, and while she does run well, her mechanism is so noisy. Bachman really has come a long way with their mechanisms because oh boy it makes so much noise for such a tiny engine.
Awesome video today Sam beautiful locomotive 🚂
Thanks so much James!! :D
Its such a beautiful engine thanks for the review have a good one Sam!
I agree! Glad you liked it - thanks so much!! :D
@@SamsTrains hope your doing OK Sam!
One note about the paint scheme, we still don't fully know the colors used due to not much detail is out there. Something that has helped is knowing how the colors reacted with the film/plate that were used during that era, thus why most are certain that CPRR Jupiter was blue and UPRR 119 red. Both engines in real life are lookers to say the least and was very lucky to be able to see them at the 150th anniversary celebration on May 10, 2019. Now as for the models, it would be great if a manufacture could create more detailed and accurate models of these engines. The retooled Bachmann engines are a step in the right direction but the paint is still the same as old. Until then I will wait or look for one of the brass sets that were made.
Thanks for sharing - that would explain a lot of the variations then! Duly noted! :D
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I have two of these in both H0 and N scale, all in running order. Not sure if I should be embarrassed or not to admit that! I got them dirt cheap on eBay over ten years ago. I choose many of my locos for aesthetic value. These ones exude a charming old timey Wild West garishness. Not great models or runners, but definitely a wonderful piece of Americana if you are into that sort of thing. Thank you for the review!
Ooh fantastic - which one is best then?! Agreed, worth having for their unique looks!
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The older ones (in both H0 and N scale) seem to be made in Hong Kong, the newer ones in China. The older ones have a simplified paint scheme in both scales. No line on the running board, no rosette between the driving wheels. The sand dome and lantern are red. In N scale the steam dome is made of brass on both locos. The "RR" in Union Pacific RR does not look like "AA" in the Hong Kong made locomotives. Also, the steam dome, bell and cylinder are painted in gold in the Hong Kong made H0 loco. The Chinese one has the same bronze hue seen on the locomotive you reviewed. The final gears on the N scale locomotives are made of metal. I think I prefer the new paint scheme. All locomotives run well, but one needs to consider the electrical pickup limitations. These are strictly oval track locos. Would I pay $250 for one of these made with the new tooling? Not unless the steam dome, bell and cylinder were made of brass. Or I win in lottery. Whichever comes first!
I have a variation of this loco. Mine doesn't run nearly as good as yours and causes many shortcuts. From what I can tell mine has pickups on the front boogie. I don't know if the previous owner modified it or something. The motor on mine once burned my finger when I touched it. I paid around 20£ for it so It's not that big of a deal. Great review as always, Sam ;) Definately deserves a like from me 👍
Ahh sorry to hear yours doesn't run as good, interesting about the front bogie though!! :O
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This Union Pacific Railroad American Steam Locomotive Is A Bit Like Edward The Blue Engine From Thomas The Tank Engine And Friends The Original Series In 1984. Thanks Sam'sTrains Mate. X
Thanks Luke, you're absolutely right there actually!! :D
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Oh Sam'sTrains. I've Seen Back To The Future The West End Hit Musical At London's Adelphi Theatre In London's West End And It Was Spectacular West End Hit Musical Ever Made Since Andrew Lloyd Webber's The Phantom Of The Opera And Disney's The Lion King. Thanks Mate. X
I have been waiting for this one!
Great vid mate!
Thanks Jake, hope you liked it! :D
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I have the modern Bachmann 4-4-0 in two liveries, those being CP Jupiter and UP 119. I got them in the Bachmann Transcontinental train set, and both had DCC Sound.
Very nice! Are they any good?! :D
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Sam'sTrains they are very good. They definitely have more pickups than the older ones as I’ve never had one cut out on me
Hi Sam I'm new here and new to the world of model trains so I've been having a bit of a binge watch at half 2 am I'm from Australia btw. Loving the train content ❤️
Welcome!! Thanks so much - glad you've been enjoying it! :D
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Used to have one of these, this exact model. I lost the driveshaft one day so it was useless. Never had any other problems that I remember. Might get one again for that nostalgia factor!
Very awesome! Ahh yeah, sucks to lose the drive shaft - I've almost lost a few myself :(
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Ahhh I still have my old Jupiter in my collection and it still runs. I haven't exactly run it very often since i was a kid, but the fact it still works after sitting around all these years is something lol.
Very glad to hear yours still works, that's amazing!! :O
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Sam, your tourist coaches are great behind this old-timer. The very old gas-lit clerestory coaches with balconies at both ends are hideously rare (probably much like your tourist coaches) but also are probably not in the right (or no ) livery to suit the Jupiter and 119 locos. I have a pair in UP (Armory) Yellow, so painted too modern to go with this loco, but for a tourist attraction (hence allowing all sorts of different era USA locos) could be allowed! (Yes, includes Challenger, Big-Boy, F3 and Doodlebugs!)
Thanks Tom - I'm a big fan of those coaches too! I will have to keep an eye out for some of those! :D
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My dad and I watched a documentary called 'East meets West' where 119 and Jupiter met and they nailed in The Golden Spike.
Ooh fantastic! I'll have to watch that!! :D
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Very entertaining review Sam. Love your description of the tender load. Wonderful.
Afro turd wood load
haha thanks very much Mike! ;D
Believe it or not, I had an N Scale version on this loco. Very, Very tiny. Ran like crap, same motor in the tender driving the loco wheels through the cab. There was no saving it. Today, I have a Bachmann modern 4-4-0 (similar to your Mehano) and it is beautiful.
Oh wow! That must have been very nifty - did it die in the end then?? :(
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I have the rival Airfix Central Pacific Jupiter 4-4-0 Locomotive with tender Ref 54170-5, which I bought new way back in the day for £4.99.( Four pounds ninety -nine pence ) It knocks the spots off the Bachmann. It has a metal body & tender plus metal detail. It has very little problem with points, the chimney light still works after 44 years. Recommended.
Very interesting! I remember my Jupiter being really good looking, but mechanically it still sucked! ;D
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Odd since the Airfix Jupiter is the Bachmann model. www.airfixrailways.co.uk/ARSwildWestAdvSet.htm
Sure it wasn't the Rivarossi version repainted? www.rivarossi-memory.it/ENGLISH_VERSION/Riva_American_Locos/Riva_American_Eng.htm#American_ATSF_e_UP_
I have one of these (doesn’t run of course) but it actually does have pickups in the main locomotive it’s just on one side, the broken wire you talked about at 15:00 is the only connection to lead power from the chassis to the motor which is why your example only works on the tender. Not a criticism or judgement just something I thought would be helpful to know.
Ahh sorry to hear it - interesting about the pickups, I'm pretty sure mine didn't have any in the loco, besides the one for the light!
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Hey if you're interested in some larger American steam, Broadway Limited Imports UP Challengers are capable of 18" curves (second radius). I have one and have been pretty happy with it besides having to send it back for repair due to a manufacturing error, BLI has great customer service however and fixed it for free. They're somewhat expensive right now but a deal may pop up eventually. Great video too.
I've heard about those - definitely worth a try I think! :D
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As a toy, for GBP 25, and if you accept it to become a shelf decoration sooner or later, why not.
Anyway, I had made some tests with my Bachmann N class (ref. 32-166) and I had been lucky to have no problems with freight wagons due to the kinky towbar (test on R2 curves on reverse, including full throttle runs, and backing on a R2 point). I might be lucky but I agree with you : a system that is uselessly overcomplicated had to be scraped. I'll do another test with passenger coaches later to see if there is a problem, maybe yes.
So, for this locomotive... Well, if you take it as a decoration for a shelf with a (limited) ability to tow wagons, that can be interesting. As a collector's item, it has its interest. And thank you for the original subject for this video. I like changes like that.
Yeah, for £25 I'd recommend them! Good luck with the passenger test - do let me know!
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I once owned a Rivarossi Royal Scot which had the motor in the tender, but driving the loco wheels via a shaft. It looked superb when compared against the Hornby models of the time, but was built to a scale somewhere between HO and OO, so it looked small alongside OO models.
Ooh I've seen photos of those - they do look really smart!! :D
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They also made Hector. Both should be HO scale. Can't see why they'd choose an odd scale.
Hi Sam! Great little loco for the price! As this loco had a straight smoke stack it would suggest it was coal burning, this make sense as the Union Pacific transversed the Great Plains with nary a tree to be seen. Also coal is cheaper to transport than milled wood from way back east, so therefore I suspect the tender of this model is a wood burning one that has been painted to represent a coal load thus highlighting this inaccurate detail rather than hiding it- silly buggers _Dave
You're correct. The UP had access to lots of cheap coal while the CP had access to cheap wood.
Thanks a lot David - that's very interesting - was that an inaccuracy in the model then?!
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Sam'sTrains perhaps they used the the same tender as the Jupiter but that would be a guess on my part however it would tie in with what you mentioned about fitting & concealing the motor under the fuel load,
The old Bachmann 4-4-0s were terrible in detail, quality, and accuracy. The 119 was a coal-fired engine and Jupiter was a wood burner. This was recently rectified by Bachmann with their re-tooled 119 and the rest of the re-tooled Bachmann 4-4-0s which are now much more accurately detailed, better running and equipped with DCC and Sound.
This locomotive is the sort of locomotive that used in western cowboy movies or cartoons.
I have just unboxed my 009 gauge Lyd today and I can confirm why its expensive for such a small loco, it's due to being very well detailed, some parts made of diecast and mechanism is very well detailed for its size. It's as heavy as the Hornby pug. Just need track and controller to test it now.
haha absolutely - that's probably why I like it! Great to hear that - they're good then?! :D
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The Good old Union Pacific That engine was from the transcontinental railroad 119
Yes indeed! :D
@@SamsTrains The locomotive was also with an SP (Southern Pacific) 4-4-0
Now me and you Sam we got the two Jupiter and 119, although mine don't run anymore and I made a diorama using them of the meet of the railroads.
Sadly I don't have Jupiter either - mine busted and I destroyed it afterwards! ;D
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Rivarossi/AHM made similar ones - a comparison would be cool! This is a later version of the Jupiter. When I was a kid ('70s to early '80s), they were "Made in Hong Kong," rather than China, and came with the old horn-hook coupler, rather than the Kadee style one.
Thanks for sharing Kenneth - I've seen those too, would love to try one! :D
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Apesar de não ser muito boa a performance eu pretendo comprar uma locomotiva a vapor da Bachmann.....A Jupiter, para montar uma maquete ao estilo velho oeste Norte Americano.....Muito bons seus vídeos!
I have the Central Pacific Jupiter version of this tooling and I love it. It runs a little rough now but I'm sure it'll run a lot better after a good cleaning. I'm hoping to get a Union Pacific 119 of the same tooling to go with my Jupiter so I can take pictures of them together
Now this is different. I remember seeing this in my Pa's old Bachmann catalogues. It looks a lovely model. Very strange having a loco and tender driving model. Very different and a nice model. Clint
Thanks Clint, yeah the driving mechanism is very strange - would be totally unnecessary today of course!
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This drive system isn't unique. It was also used by Rivarossi on their 2-4-0s and 4-4-0s, also Mantua/Tyco had been using the drive system since the early 60s On their 4-4-0 General locomotives.
I love the coaches and the Pacific 119.
Thank you!! :D
Thanks for another great vid Sam. Maybe you should consider placing an annotation in your log book to indicate which are older models?
Thank you! That might be a good idea actually - thank you! :D
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I have Bachmann’s current version of Union Pacific 119 and it’s a real nice loco I plan to get more of their current 4-4-0s in different paint schemes, I really want to know what Bachmann’s development team was thinking back then to produce a model like that one.
I've heard those are really nice - I will have to look into those! :D
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@@SamsTrains I do have to mention one thing that I forgot the details on the sand dome and the A’s that are suppose to be R’s on the tender look exactly the same so that’s still a problem but unless you look at it closely it’s not really noticeable.
Hello Sam! I happen to have the newer version of this loco, and I can tell you that it is better, if not by a lot. The first differences I see is that the cab is actually there, the coal load is more realistic, and the tender wheels are bigger and the trucks are more accurate. haven't taken the new one apart for maintenance yet, but from how it runs it seems to have a flywheel motor. it also comes with sound and digital control, which is always lovely to have. It's great to see another review from you!
Great to hear that - I would love to try one of the new ones, thanks for sharing! :D
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There's obviously enough room in the loco for a motor, why on earth Bachmann put it in the tender and then used a drive shaft is weird. Boy the coal/logs is the most "realistic" and I think that your description of it sums it up perfectly. All in all a good loco for its age despite its quirkiness. Good honest review as always, Sam!
These are quite old models. The molds date back to the early ‘60s or maybe earlier. US HO trains of that time were using huge open frame motors.
Yeah I agree - these days it'd be a piece of cake - guess it was more difficult at the time!
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When the 150th anniversary happened, the Union Pacific 844 and the restored Big Boy 4014 which was converted to an oil burner was there, they actually have the Union Pacific 119 on Steam for Train simulator which also comes with a route in the 1860’s
Yeah they did - super cool!! :D
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From what I've read, at the time the replica loco was commissioned, nobody actually knew with any accuracy what colours the original loco had at the time of the ceremony, so they just guessed. Since then fresh evidence has been discovered, and the replica loco has been repainted several times to reflect this.
Yeah others have said that too! That does explain a lot then! :D
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Hey Sam! I have had this engine for about 10 years now, but I have had some issues trying to get it to run. The wire that connects from the tender to the engine keeps falling out, and everything I try to reconnect it, the motor keep wirring without any movement. Do you think you can help me?
After doing more research, it seems as though the center rod that actually drives the train has fallen out, do you know where I can find a replacement?
Great review Sam. I picked up a Jupiter of the same vintage at a train show just before lockdown happened, for just $25.00 US, and was pleasantly surprised when it performed as good as yours, with only a couple of drops of oil. I also bought a grab bag of miscellaneous parts at the same show, and was able to finally finish 2 Mantua/Tyco Generals, neither of which run reliably at this time. Lots of trouble shooting to do on them.
Thanks Stephen, wow that's a great price - glad to hear it worked well too! :D
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If you get the chance to pick one up for a decent price, I’d recommend you also try one of the new tooling versions of the locomotive. They are far more realistic and have generally more reliable performance.
Okay sure! I'd really like one!! :D
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The modern version doesn't have the drive shaft from tender to engine. I think the first time an HO 4-4-0 with a tender to loco drive was the Mantua General, that's because motors back then were too big to fit in the locobody.
Yeah so I've seen - that wouldn't make any sense these days!
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Muitas vezes me questionei por nao haver lojas onde comprar material BACHMANN. Essa JÚPITER gostava de ter.mas onde comprar?tell me sam.
That green LNER one near the start of the hill looked to be a mogul
Ahh well spotted! :D
Hey Sam, if you like older style American 4-4-0's keep an eye out for an IHC premier V&T Reno. They are about the same era as these old Bachmann 4-4-0's and use the same tender driven motor, but they are much better detailed, have much higher build quality, are about the same price (at least here in the states), and in my experience much better runners than the Bachmann 4-4-0's.
Thanks Patrick - I'll do that! :D
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Funny enough I have this same locomotive and it was always a pain to get running. I have UP 119 and B&O 703. I used 119 as spare parts for 703 and now it's a little demonic creature in the bottom drawer without a smoke stack motor or lead truck.
Ooh awesome - that sounds cool!! :D
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UP 119 & the JUPITER N'o 60 where at the golden spike event on the transcontinental rail rode in i think 1853
Ahh awesome - thanks for sharing! :D
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I have never really liked the look of American Locomotives but to be fair this one looks grand. -Oliver-
haha yeah - these are unusually ornate!! :D
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But didn't your model of Jupiter have the motor in the tender and driven through the wheels
Yeah, it had basically the same mechanism as this!
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hi sam, i really like this loco, it would certainly go well with my triang davy crockett loco. these type of locos were made for us children in the 60s because all trains were toys then, and we did not worry about detail then
Hey Peter, that's great to hear - it certainly would go well with that actually! :D
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To be fair Sam, this may just be me but in my experience, all American type 4-4-0 look like toys, even the intricate brass ones once they have been painted up it doesn't matter the livery. That really has nothing in particular at fault with the model but more because they have become such the quintessential train toy that even a proper model still looks like a toy.
Yeah I see what you mean - they just have a toy like appearance in general, agreed!
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This is still in their catalog! Along with 199! It’s marketed as DCC!
I think that'll be the new tooled one though - pretty sure they're not still selling this version!
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@@SamsTrains I mean, they look pretty similar.
So, about the livery:
Both Jupiter and 118's replicas have different paint schemes than their original counter parts. I believe your former Jupiter was in the silver and red, where if you looks at pictures, the replica is in blue and red. So same goes for 118, but it's not as drastic between the replica and the original, in my opinion. Both your Jupiter (RIP) and 118 models carry, to my knowledge, the liveries they would have had at the Golden Spike Ceremony (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Bit of fun American Railroad info for you!
Many thanks for clearing this up mate, appreciate it! :D
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There is a replica of the 119 in a zoo that pulls Disneyland style coaches so it would make sense to run Disneyland coaches behind your model
You can get 3D printed parts to help with split chassis problems. They can resurrect an old loco.
Yeah I've heard about that - never tried them though!
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Bachmann has updated the 4-4-0 models, from what I have seen online the newer versions are much better, with the motor on board the locomotive, better performance and better detail. I haven’t picked one up yet, but I do have the old version of the “Jupiter”. For a Bachmann locomotive of that vintage, these weren’t that bad compared to some of their other stuff. Rivarossi made some nice American 4-4-0s around that time too.
Yes they have - I'd love to give one a look, funds permitting! ;D
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One of these days you should review Bachmann's newer version of the 4-4-0. It was completely retooled a few years ago. I hear the new one is quite good.
I would love to - I bet they are cool!! :D
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Oh! I had one of these as a kid and I loved it.
Ooh awesome - glad to hear that!! :D
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I'm pretty sure that ugly load is covering the motor. I have an earlier version of this locomotive and it doesn't have that "feature". What it does have is a motor that sits too low in the chassis, causing arcing between the motor and pickup wheels on the tender. I simply added some washers between the trucks and tender body to increase the gap. The locomotive runs perfectly now. It looks to me as though Bachmann raised the motor in later versions to cure that issue and they had to cover it up. So, you get an ugly load for your tender. They could have just shimmed the trucks like I did.
Love the T-Shirt
haha thanks mate! :D
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Where‘s your Jupiter 4-4-0? It’s been a while since I’ve seen it!
Scrapped it for parts - broke down many years ago :(
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@Sam'sTrains Oh that’s a shame. :( Lucky thing that you found 119 for that good of a price. I‘m still looking for one for my ho scale layout!
@@SamsTrains Hmmmmm perhaps we need to form the "Sam's Trains Preservation Society" ;)
The reason it looks like a toy is because the cab is filled in. The Rivarossi models don't have that problem, instead they have a different one: the loco is OO scale while the tender is HO scale.
That's right - the cab definitely makes this look much more like a toy!
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The 1860's-70's were pretty colorful. Look at colorized (corrected) pictures of clothing of the time. The Bachmann 119
like many locos in their line were intended for kids and not serious adult modelers.
Bachmann introduced a higher grade line for U.S. collectors, similar to the British models you regularly torpedo on here.
That's true!! Why did they drop all the lovely colours in later years?!
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@@SamsTrains I blame Queen Victoria going around wearing black all the time.
Victoria may have been a great Queen, but not a great fashion maven.
Hi Sam , The Jouef euro star Has the same motor set up , not like Hornby , Nice review , All the Best Brian 🤗
Ahh interesting - does it really?!?
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi sam great review love the way you pick up old and obscure locos I do like it especially the visible driveshaft 😃👍
Thanks so much mate, I really enjoy the odd locos too!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hey how did you get the loco to run so well. I have the same model and it occasionally stops running and I don't think it's getting much electrical connection.
Try adding pickups in the tender
@@nthechocolatefactory372 ok thanks, I'll try it.
So it's a good no 119 America train so favourite of model trains sam. Cool pretty good much
Yeah absolutely - overall I really like it too! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Wow I love vintage railway sam
Thank you, me too!! :D