why synthesizers need effects? watch this...
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- a short indruduction why synthesizers need effects...
audio path:
Dave Smith Pro 2 out
into NUX MOD FORCE
into tc electronic FLASHBACK x4
into Strymon BIG SKY
into DI-BOX
into Focusrite Saffire Pro 40
into RME Raydat
via Cakewalk Sonar X3 on Harddisc
to video ...to UA-cam ...to whatever
finally to Your ears
sounds like its boutta bust out into one of the sickest trance tracks ever
Sounds like shit.
Parts for sure
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I wish more synths had deep effects sections integrated into the hardware. Effects are a valuable component of sound design.
The problem is that a good built-in effect adds significant cost, and a not so good one is just a waste of space and money. though if it allows you to modulate effects parameters with the synth's filter, envelope, LFO etc. that could make for some rather amazing effects. I don't think many synths do that, however, unless you get the right eurorack modules and put them together yourself.
Honestly, I'd be happier with really cheap, shitty fx than none at all. Even if you can't use them for their intended purpose, they're still tools you can make use of.
Admittedly, even crap effects add cost, so you're not wrong. It's just that once you incorporate outboard effects into the dna of a patch, you're basically already in modular territory. But if you could do all of the sound design within the synth, you could save it as a preset.
Saving it all as a preset, including effects, can be a huge advantage, I agree, and perhaps the strongest argument for onboard effects. I guess I've changed my mind a bit about this now: as long as effects easily can be bypassed, having them is more of advantage than not, and probably worth the additional cost. And to those who would insist on outboard effects, that cost would probably not be too prohibitive either as they'd already felt they could afford the extra gear for external processing just to get that slightly improved/different sound at an even higher additional cost. Now, if the likes of Strymon could license some of their effect tech to be integrated into synthesizers, that could make for quite an epic-sounding machine all in one box. And - if one could access just the effects section of the synth, one could process other audio through it too.
Elektron Analog Keys / Analog Four
Behringer Deepmind12 is pretty cool , if you like DCO polys ( I have ALL the Roland ! ) , or the future DSI prophet 08 REV2 ( seems OK , but I didn't like the old 08 sound at all )
The dry sound is very useful for certain applications. Sometimes a hard syncopated metronomic staccato timbre works better than a washed out modulated smear.
There's a wide range of reactions to your dry sound vs. FX video. Some reactions were lame and insulting while others genuinely appreciated your efforts. I'm with the latter bunch. A lot of us have struggled with technique and find it helpful when guys like you take the time to do the ol' show and tell. Thanks! I never once thought about chaining one of my guitar peddles to a synth. My synths all have FX, noise, reverb, filters and other such stuff built in. But I can see some dramatic sonic possibilities by using FX peddles since they all seem to have their own set of musical personalities to explore.
I've seen some modular synth videos that sounded amazing that used peddles like Earthquaker Transmisser, and the Acapulco Gold among others. Why not experiment?
Big Sky really is a stunning reverb. I have multiple reverb plugins and none of them sound near as good as that.
Yes but do any of them cost as much as the Big Sky?
Ha hahahahahahahah you put a smile on my face
Hall Of Fame is ok,but if you need the best sounding majestic reverbs you'd better save the money and go for the BigSky.Im ordering mine in two weeks.I kne i have to have it.Its just the one you need to get and to go on the next level of musical bliss.I have the Immerse reverb and blueSKy which i use for different purposes ,but the BigSky is a must for me.
have you used any of the Valhalla stuff? some of the native instruments reverbs sound as good too imo.
I didn't like the sound of Valhalla except shimmer. I also use Rob Papen's RP Verb which can sound extremely good, it's just that in Ableton it always ends up deleting settings between saves. I had a need for a hardware unit with my modular and I'm really happy with Big Sky.
When I see videos with Strymon BIG SKY I always have a feeling, that it can essentially make music out of anything you feed into it. Great video thought.
You could send a wet fart into one and it would come out sounding like the 9 choirs of heaven.
plug in a guitar cable with nothing at the other end and just tap the tip with your finger, the brief click of noise turns into BOOOOOOOMMMMSHHHHHHHHHhSHSHHSHSHSHHhhhshhshshshshhs
my wife gave ne a bigsky reverb unit for christmas this year. she'd heard me talking about how much i wished i had an effects unit for my microfreak, the only one of my 5 synths without any onboard effects. she looked into it and decided the bigsky would be the unit that would give me the most to work with and man was she right about that. i've been working with it for the last three days and i have only scratched the surface of the unit.
Sounds cool. Nice wood mod on that Big Sky too.
Big Sky, and Flashback, are a great base to work from. After that, it's all icing on the cake!
From 4.34 - that's freakin' amazing!!!
Just superb
Good demo, didn't know the existence of the NUX MOD, will buy 🤖 Inspiring
amazing how you can play a loop, but in adding effects, trick the mind into thinking it's a whole composition
Those are some magical noises
effects on a synthesizer are like spices in soup...depends on what kind of soup you are making and what the main dish is and in the hands of the right cook (keyboardist) the effects can work wonders. Personally, I like the more subtle effects just to add to the richness of the piece you are working on.
the strymon big sky, on its own is enough for me. such a versatile and powerful fx unit, thats the one i'm after next.
Great demo. I'm in love with the BigSky, I wish I could justify buying one.
just listen to rick wright and his farfisa/binson combination !
I think you made your point most effectively. Thanks.
I don't why all these computer nerds are criticising this - this is great - ( well done mate, love the sounds and effects could listen to this all day
Hi,
The gear is awesome.
Second only to your talent to manipulate it.
Niice ...
All of my synths have built in FX you can layer onto a sound for pretty much any result you can wish for just save them as a preset job done...Having said that the strymon bigsky stands alone.
slow arp might of helped hear the mod effects better but thanks
With that Pro2 used, it already has 4 delays onboard (one of the bucket brigade) so no need for the flashback really. Reverb yes, Chorus maybe. Cool vid though.
a great way of achieving big synth sounds on a compact budget and of course you can mix and match without being stuck with one big box ;-) 'jarre' would have done it this way i'm sure if available back in the mid seventies ;-) Nice Vid!
The jarre's sound of the 70's is based on a pedal for the phaser effect on strings.
And delay, echo, reverb, etc... where part of the sound too. It was only analog effects.
instantly bought the nux mod force after watching this
Sounds beautiful.
Yesss mate!!! the baest way to prove it!!! grande
Thank you very much for this presentation
... and to my heart. Thanks! :-)
When using a Daw you Input raw synth and add effects to that channel. All synths need effects is correct.
hardware effects sound so good
The Big Sky has really got me wanting one but Ive run out of inputs on my Babyface and costs twice as much to satisfy my effects hardware lust. doh.
brilliant!!
Totally agree 👍 you need lots of little bad boy 👦 pedals
You don't need an fx processor for a Minimoog.
But you can use one. It all depends on what you are trying to do.
Love it :) Good example.
Some people need efx, like nice, happy and respect.
I gotta start look into some pedals..! Usually use the Electribe 2 synth and sampler, which have some decent effects, but not exactly "everything i ever dreamed about"... And only 1 effect parameter per effect is a joke. Same with being limited to just 1 "local effect" per track... And 1 LFO per track... And 1 voice per track... And only "attack and decay" envelopes... I still REALLY like these instruments, but they could have been MUCH better...
just ordered the big sky, feel like i wasted a lot of money on some reverb!!! is it worth it, i hope so:P
The perfect video to make understand your girlfriend why the need to use creditcard today.
You dont need to buy effects for a good synth. The internal effects are always better option because of less rumble interference of external conections for example.
" The internal effects" ...
1) many analog syths don't have internal effects....
2) internal effects is not always equal to good effect, and external effects can be better.
A bad internal reverb, is a bad option when you want a good sound with reverb like etherals pads.
sounds like the wrath of cortex ost a lil
oh bigsky very cool !
I had a dream ...intergarated in a future synth...dream synth to the left ..dream effects to the right🤔
Sound nice!
Really enjoyed your video which is excellent , but you have not explained WHY synths need effects. You have shown superbly that they benefit from effects but as to why , I'm still waiting.
Do you use a particular DI-box? Is it stereo?
Where did u get your wood for that puppy?
Are effects somehow controversial in the synth world?
gary abbot Not that I know of... It might be that people with hardware synths want to save the money. Working from software can be cheaper in that regard
Some are jealous that the reverb unit cost nearly as much as their synth. Reverbs nowadays have advanced to become synthesizers themselves.
Up to the late 1970s, most synths didn't include much in the way of post-processing- the VCS3 had a spring reverb, the CS-80 had chorus and tremolo, but generally they were fed through external effects. The Roland Juno-6 had an analogue chorus effect to make up for its single-oscillator architecture. By the 1990s the boundary between digital sound generation and signal processing was becoming blurred. With the widespread return of analogue synths has come a view (rightly or otherwise) that DSP should not be part of an analogue instrument.
Try showing this to all the Deepmind 12 haters, there`s a lot to be said for the addition of a stack of quality FX even to trad analog sounds
I love my Deepmind! It is a future classic. It will take a lot synth users twenty years to catch up.
crazy! setup
bigsky with wood?? looks nice
oh you are so right I wish I had the money for some really good effects :-/
Nice .
damn the knobs look wiggly on the nux
Effects are to a synth what make up is to a woman.
...and sometimes its just too much of it.
Well that was the entire point in my analogy. Moderation and balance.
omg xD
A big fat false advertisement?
Nice one ,
Where do you get those wood side panels for the Big Sky?
selfmade...
I am wondering how to hook up pedals to my synth? Cant find much on the web, and it looks like its a little more complicated then with a guitar (seeing all the cables that are being used) I have a minilogue and a focusrite 2i4.. would be much appreciated!
It shouldn't be complicated man, the synth has a mono output so all you do is plug it into the first pedal in your chain
thats wot i'm saying. it's a pretty sophisticated procedure!
You just need one extra 1/4 inch jack cable for each additional effect unit
What DI-BOX do you use?
Good example
Poop biscuits. Now I need to rethink my synth setup, perhaps pair it with the Line 6 M13.
Modern synth music is basically Strymon Bigsky + anything.
Haha, you must be right about that :) Still, lots of synth stuff benefits from Big Sky "haze"
Basic as fuck (3 wave form) analog synthesizers definitely need something to make them sound interesting. I became bored with classic analog years ago. There is only so much you can squeeze out of those machines. Dave Smith realized this when he designed the Prophet 12. But the synth market these days is geared toward nostalgia, so he's cranking out modern antiques like the Prophet 6 and Rev 2 as fast as he can to cash in.
>"(3 wave form) analog synthesizers definitely need something to make them sound interesting." - I've noticed that good programming skills make them sound a lot better than effects. Unfortunately a lot of keyboard players are not actually synthesizer players and need help to sound good. So effects do have a purpose.
I have yet to hear something really good-sounding come out directly from the P12...
Niels Münster LOL
Det går
Big sky is waaaayyyy too expensive smh ...
or "Why everyone needs a Big Sky......"
I've got both - the TC is so cheap its worth it - the cathedral setting is really great.
I mean just get Bigsky and throw it on anything, hit play and it's good
The same way that guitar need it...
Ok, I'll take my chances... It needs PWM xD
80% FX, 20% Dry synth. The pareto law of gear.
Funny how people complain about synths not having built-in FX. In a period where everybody and his grannie knows of eurorack/modular synthesizers, I think it can be called ironic. You know what type of devices always have built-in FX? Aira-crap, roland boutique-crap, arturia-crap, akai-crap and about every other manufacturer making devices primarily focused on 16 year olds/people working at McDonalds. ---Say you buy a serious synthesizer, e.g. a Minimoog, Deckard's dream, CMS 2607, GRP A2/A4 or the Odyssey remake: guess what? Not one of them has built-in reverb/delay.
"arturia-crap" minibrute and microbrute don't have internal effect...
You forgot the drum beat effect. 😏
No shit, Sherlock!
Trade secret, 100%
When your synth is junk, then definitely you need to spice it up..
listen to kraftwerk - they use almost no effects for at least half of their parts
S+HIMER
Dude! I was trying to save money this month, WTF
😆 I hear you! We must stop watching gear video!
They don't have midi input so not a real instrument!
Big Sky has midi input. And Flashback x4 also has it.
So is this music? Would someone sit and listen to this? I'm not trying to be salty, I'm just curious if this appeals to the gear head or the listener.
PJ Jackson no, this is a demo of the effects ...to apply ...he is showcasing......don't knock it till you try it :)
its just sound design, not actual composing. its like a guitar player messing around with different pedals.
You sound like the mother of every synthesizer player!
PJ Jackson it's a pedal demo
brendan mcgillicuddy hahahahaha
seems to me you only 'tested' one synthesizer here with one particular patch. what gives???
Dry is better ;)
During mixdown, of course. Built into the synth? NO
Good synth doesn't need effects... Try this with Juno-106 and you will destroy all Roland soul...
Don't bother TheRustryPeppers, these people are retarded... apparently build in FX doesn't count or something :s
good old vintage synths were used with effects because they had no built in effects.
The music made with them needed the effects.
All the pionneers of the 70's have used effects with their synths, even if it is legends synths.
3 000$ of effect
Synths need effects if you don't know how to use a synth
and if you know how to eat a salad you don`t need salt and oil
Thats a weird way to say that you are poor.
idonteven I think I said this sarcastically since I use effects on everything
you should have clarified this sooner. now you have too many enemies. it`s too late. and a meteorite is coming. it even has a reverb tail
I like reverb tails... :)
this blows, and its pointess to say synth needs fx
maybe i was harsh but effects dont hide bland programming its the wrong message to send people
That lame ARPeggio is not the best way to make your point , it's pretty much the opposite : add 1000$ worth of effects on a shitty sound and it still sounds lame .... every time you try to add the Big Sky it is way too much : this is the first time I hear somebody making a BigSky sound like crap , also the NUX kinda sounds like shit to me
but I use only vintage effects ,synths and mixers , tape decks..... so I'm probably not the right guy to give my opinion on this gear .
lets play a game of Find the Elitist!
aaaaaand GO
But he's right, you know. He's not the guy to give an opinion on the OP's work here.
So all your effects are routed in serial? Is that the norm? I'm new to individual fx.. so am wondering what people normally do with them?
Who cares what people normally do. Synthesizers are for experimenting.